DB Cooper

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Jo,

Please get immediate medical attention. Don't go through this alone.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Had an appointment with my hemotologist today and OBAMA cancelled it. What really happened is his trip closed down all roads to the Dr.s office and 2 blocks away. My appt was at 10:30 and I could go over at 7:30 and "Hang Out" - the appointment clerks language.

Because of my being sensitive to heat and not feeling like driving the longer route nor navigating the traffic his visit was creating - I just rescheduled. BUT, it is impressive to say Obama canceled my Dr.s Appt.
Georger - you are sure quiet...thought you would have something to say about the Boeing employee by now. Guess you are wondering how I dug ALL this up. I didn't - I had it for yrs but it only took one person dropping something in my lap that caused it all to come together.

The important part has NOTHING to do with Cooper nor the Boeing employee. Now it is just a matter of getting others to co-operate and the FBI to answer some very specific question and talk to the right people. I do expected this will not happen, because it would sure give lots of people cause to WONDER - about Duane having Motive and Access. Duane laid his life out in front of me - but I was too naive to see it or I just turned a deaf ear - or we can call it Dumb Blonde Sydrome.

I am still in shock from what I discovered and I want it verified by the FBI - if only for my own satisfaction. I expect the government to keep the book on Weber closed - and I am still toying with what to do. I believe it is too late now for me to have anything other than "personal satisfaction".

I would appreciate the FBI's help with this - because it would at least close a chapter in Weber's life. I have to put myself in the place of these 2 other individuals - would the truth help them or destory what they have manage to salvage of their lives.
This is a heart rendering situation to be in - and I am torn emotionally.

The bird dog who did point really didn't know if what he had to say would really mean anything. It was what I knew that he didn't know I knew, which caused a bell to go off. At first I thought there was problem with the yr involved but after going back into my old notes - with Pasternak - I realized it was dead on.

Something else that is not related to the above. At the recent Skyjumpers Convention in CA - a speaker talked about smokejumpers who had been involved with the CIA who never got recognized. He called out a name - and no one stood and then 3 more and no one stood.

It was said that some of these guys signed 'Life Time Contracts' with the CIA. Since this is all second hand information, perhaps someone who is or was a Smokejumper who attended the meeting would chime in. I would really love to hear a tape of that speech...so if any of you skydivers here had reason to attend a smokejumper convention - help me out here.

Maybe the speech maker knew there was a "non-smoker" among them looking for a needle in the haystack and the speech was impromptued and with a purpose in mind. I do know that smokejumpers and skydivers - will take every chance they get to pull a good one.

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The Dr. sent me straight to MRI today - and the strangest thing happend in that machine today.

The first part was OK doing the shoulder and then she did my femur - and I told her it felt like there were little worms crawling around. The technician never has anyone tell her that before.

Has anyone here - ever had their tissues beneath the skin in the muscle and nerves and ligament - Feel like there were several tiny tiny worms crawling inside of you while have an MRI.
No contrast as my skin has little hemoragics all over the arm. Haven't had any prednison in 6 months so they can't blame it on medication now. The pain medication has been making me nauseated - just a trade off I guess. Tonight a couple of finger tips on the left hand feel like they have been burned when I touch the keys. Expect that is a matter of inflamed nerves.

Right now they don't know if this is something new or part of the same old thing that has been going on for the last 3 yrs.

To uncomfortable to post anymore.

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speaking in quatrains always helps build a case?

Georger it is also a great out for someone like you who knows I have discovered something. Such as the guys were chasing the wrong Braden. Maybe Braden wasn't his real name and he had a different name before it became Braden...just to make it more difficult for jerks like me me and other investigators to connect the DOTS and YOU GEORGER KNOW exactly what I am referring to.

Your mission has been to confuse and defuse - you failed. All you did was delay the truth.

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Please Note: The below site was provided by one of my ANGELS, but the comments are my own.


http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/factoid.htm

All of you so called Braden "chasers" need to check this out at the above site. Could this be the Braden suggested by Waugh before you guys went every which way.

Below are some Quotes from this brilliant and intensive research done by Dave Reitzes. Even Dr. William Pepper might be impressed by this and I am sure he is aware of the site.

Just how much of this article is truth and how much is fiction - I don't know. It seems to be accurate in its presentation acquired by the writer and others.
I do not know how much I can legally quote in this post, but I hope to do ENOUGH to interest each and everyone of you to read this with an open mind and thru a new set of eyes. Keep in mind the past of Duane Weber as you do so and note the cross sections of time. No Duane was NOT Braden or Brading.

I don't know what Weber's connection was with all of this other than a broad knowledge of the subject and having spent a lot of time in N.O. on many different occassions. After his death a prior wife and other family members (who are familiar with Duane's yrs -- 1962/1969) and (personally knew him during those yrs) have verified some of the information acquired.

Please read the complete article with an open mind and if you know the author and how to contact him - please let me know.


Everything below is quoted from the article titled
Phone Factoid: Tortured connection by Dave Reitzers:

As if Garrison's assumptions had not confused things enough, journalist Peter Noyes introduced a new element into the scenario in 1973. Noyes' Legacy of Doubt centers on a man picked up for questioning in Dealey Plaza immediately following the assassination. He and three associates were in town on business and happened to have registered at the Cabana Motor Hotel on the evening of November 21, 1963, the same evening Jack Ruby would drop by to visit with Larry Meyers and friends.(54) This man's name was Jim Braden.


Who was Jim Braden?
In a sworn affidavit, the 49-year-old Braden gave the Sheriff's Office a California address, and related the following story. He was in Dallas on oil business,(55) and happened to have been "walking down Elm Street trying to get a cab,"(56) when he arrived at the corner of Elm and Houston, where people in the crowd were saying that the President had been shot. Stepping into the Dal-Tex Building, across the street from the Texas School Book Depository, he asked "one of the girls"(57) -- presumably a receptionist -- if there was a telephone he could use. She directed him to the third floor. He took an elevator there with a number of other people, only to be informed that the pay phone was out of order. On his way back downstairs, the elevator operator observed that he was a stranger to the building, and alerted a police officer to his presence. (58) Because Braden had only a credit card for identification, he was taken into custody, then released once the authorities were satisfied he was not involved with the assassination.(59)


Braden and Weber have pasts that are similar as you will read below:


Jim Braden was the recently adopted name of Eugene Hale Brading, who possessed a lengthy rap sheet and alleged ties to organized crimes. Brading often made his living by wooing lonely, wealthy widows, a practice which caused him at times to make his living behind bars."

(60) Understandably, however, in trying to link Braden to the Kennedy assassination, Noyes chooses not to belabor the fact that Braden's rap sheet runs the gamut from theft to fraud to embezzlement, but there is nary a violent offense to be seen.(61)
In a move replete with irony, none other than Jim Garrison himself would later write that after "sustained analysis," "it was clear that Braden's contribution to the assassination was a large zero."(62)
Be that as it may, fate had a few surprises in store for Mr. Braden.

Read the entire article and again Braden and Weber are not the same unless one can be in 2 places at one time. I just thought you guy might be interested in a little diversion since you seem bored.

Georger - Jackasses don't M000oooooo! Or do they?
HEE HAW! Was that you or me?

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All of you so called Braden "chasers" need to check this out at the above site. Could this be the Braden suggested by Waugh before you guys went every which way.

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As a Braden chaser, I feel I have to respond. Here's what I know of Ted Braden, and how it might weave with your Braden's coming and goings.

The Ted Braden I know was a combat vet in the Korean War. His whereabouts are unknown after that for a period of years.

So, did he then change his name to Eugene Brading and earn a living as a gigaloo? Hmmm. Maybe.

But, by the early 1960s Eugene changed his name back to Ted Braden and joined the Army, got stationed in Germany and jumped with the Golden Arrows parachute team, earning a feature spot in Stars and Stripes magazine. Then, he went directly to Vietnam and did his "Nam thing with the Special Forces and 'Yards.

But if your scenario is correct, along the way Ted took a few days off, changed his name to Jim Braden, went to Dallas and helped shoot the Prez. After looking for a phone in the Dal-Tex building and getting frisked by local fuzz, he then went back to Germany or "Nam, I'm a little hazy on time-lines here, and returned to fighting commies and earning $800 bucks a month.

After that, we all know the Braden scenario.

Is that what you are suggesting, Jo?

On a personal level, I take some umbrage with the notion that our research of Ted Braden, my lengthy interviews with numerous vets, and lots of time with Google and the White Pages looking for Teddy post-1971, can be characterized as "going every which way." To me, our effort was a methodical, professional and effective piece of investigative inquiry, one that I enjoyed immensely. It was arguably as substantive as the one you and your team are conducting currently.

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Waugh just said Bradon and we also wonder if it could have Braden and other spellings - so lots of other similar names and spellings were chased.

I was not singling you out Bruce and only referrencing maybe "we" got it wrong regarding Waugh's referrence to a Braden or Bradon or Brading. Remember that we did NOT find anything with the spelling Waugh gave us - and we DID go very which way...all of us.

You and others searched for a similar individual that would fit the reference Waugh made - but he was NOT specific. He gave us a name and not much more. Unless you had a private conversation with Waugh that I am not aware of - it was research on an individual who would have had certain specific training. We don't know what Waugh was referencing - unless it was by PM's or phone contact that was not part of the thread.

I am not sure Waugh actually said that the Bradon - he was referencing was in any specific range of guys. Waugh made few posts that I am aware of.

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To me, our effort was a methodical, professional and effective piece of investigative inquiry, .

Indeed, Bruce, and if it had come up with a result that slotted with Jo's theory she would be showering you with praise. You need to take the criticism in the context from where it comes.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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To me, our effort was a methodical, professional and effective piece of investigative inquiry, .

Indeed, Bruce, and if it had come up with a result that slotted with Jo's theory she would be showering you with praise. You need to take the criticism in the context from where it comes.

Orange I did not single anyone person out - there were several suggestions about what Waugh meant - we never found one with the specific spelling Waugh stated in the forum, or his book or in a PM to one of us. You guys methodically looked for specific types of training - Waugh said little about his Bradon.

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Below is the old post made by Bruce ages ago:

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I’m just finishing reading Billy Waugh’s book, “Hunting the Jackal,” and a couple items popped out for me.

Most interesting is his statement that the MACV SOG units were funded by the CIA, and were essentially CIA ops done by Army personnel.

Billy also included a hand-written note about Ted Bradon. He said Bradon went AWOL from SOG operations in Vietnam and next appeared in Africa doing work for an “OGA” (Other Government Agency?), then got cashiered out of the US Army and was never heard from again.

Billy also said that he has no factual proof that Bradon was Cooper, but that his looks and behavior (loner, “nads as big as watermelons,” etc.) match Cooper’s.

As for the book and Billy’s story, like Snowmman, (I think), I found some of the tales not quite ringing true for some reason. Others ring solid, though. Also, I particularly enjoyed Billy’s self-reflections towards his love of war and the warriors he fought with.

Overall, Billy has given me a tremendous view into the operations and culture of the CIA, and covert ops both Army and Intel.

One thing did surprise: no mention at all of 727s. Hmmm.

In short, thanks, Billy Waugh.

This is what I remembered when reading the material I recieved.

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Acutally read the article I referenced - ALL 20 pages and go back to the spelling that Waugh used which is not Braden or Brading, but Bradon per the post made referencing the book Waugh wrote.

Don't be so quick to judge and read what has been said. Remember that Snow also made lots of contributions about the subject - the reference I was sent was NOT singling out any one persons research...it was NOT sent to me because of this Braden or Brading who was mentioned.

The article was sent to me because of a different subject altogether and that WAS NOT Bradon...but, I noted the similarities in the name and background to Duane when I read this and remembered our "Bradon" search. I was making a note of this unusal finding within this research NOT related to the Bradon we were searching for.

Maybe this is the Bradon we should have been looking for?
How does the TIME frame work with Waugh's book? Certainly bears being looked at and remember it was NOT me and the research regarding N.Orleans was for a different subject altogether. I simply thought intellectual minds might want to explore this Bradon in the JFK relation - perhaps they are one and the same. Try the time lines and do the time lines with Weber while you are at it.

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Georger - Jackasses don't M000oooooo! Or do they?
HEE HAW! Was that you or me?

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To me, our effort was a methodical, professional and effective piece of investigative inquiry, .

Indeed, Bruce, and if it had come up with a result that slotted with Jo's theory she would be showering you with praise. You need to take the criticism in the context from where it comes.

Orange I did not single anyone person out -
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Well, you have been singling me out-a-plenty.
Calling me Genius Boy, Jackass, etc ...

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All of you so called Braden "chasers" need to check this out at the above site. Could this be the Braden suggested by Waugh before you guys went every which way.

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As a Braden chaser, I feel I have to respond. .

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WOW? This forum has now connected The MLK assination, the JFK assinationation, Bay of Pigs. We just have to figure out how 911, and lincoln assination plays into it and we get to direct NATIONAL TREASURE 3. What a way to start the day reading this.

Hey Sluggo! NASCAR SUX! GO Indy Car! HA! I just wanted to see if you were alive and get a rise out of you. HA!

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Georger: I have presented information the government DOES not want introduced and others DO not want mentioned regarding Cooper.

It is a "known" fact Duane knew Ferrie. Under what name I am not sure. I did NOT really know who Ferrie was and the description of this man in N.Orleans several yrs ago didn't mean anything to me as a person and I had no knowledge of Braden, Brading or Bradon at that time... (between 1996 and 2004) and knew little about the JFK controversary. I was unaware of the B - sounding name until it was mentioned in this thread.


This man had been described to me by individuals who lived with Weber and where they knew the person from - I was not until I found out who Ferrie was that I put - his picture with the descriptions I had been given yrs ago...not to mention the stories they told me.

This only happened in recent wks...I could not chase it out of my mind and still cannot do so. Hence why I posted about this subject which was for nothing more than input and to make this knowledge public knowledge.

My reference to MOOO0000 came from your own post and was not insulting you. You had made a post referencing your cows. You can make a post with humor, but unless I adherd to a priciple far above that of anyone else who posts - squealing is heard around the world.

What happened to equality in presentation and supposition?
Did I perhaps hit a nerve with my posting about Ferrie and Bradon (however it is spelled)? Is this a place Jo is NOT supposed to go? Is this something JO is not suppose to have had any knowledge of? Did the Dumb Blonde let the Cows out?

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Nostradumus wrote in quatrains.
The meanings of his stanzas totally obscure - could
mean anything.

Did Duane know Hisler three lakes new
when the great green whale rode Pericles
over the purple hill near the red mountain
on a night when Venus talks with carrots?

That is how your case info reads!

Georger:

After your above post you mention having nothing to do but watch the Cows. This was a result of the Quatrain conversations...you had edited or deleted your statement by the time I made my reference to Cows.

You had lamented as though you were feeling sorry for yourself or bored...having nothing to do but watch the cows.

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speaking in quatrains always helps build a case?

Artest comes up big for Lakers in Game 7 win

(This post was edited by georger on Jun 18, 2010, 2:19 AM)me 7 win

Your edited post that had orginally referenced cows was edited after I made the MOOOoooo post.

Next time I will remember to make the reply in the form of Quote - so the post cannot be changed.

CASE CLOSED

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Jo so now you've read another book you can use to add to your story. Jerry

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Jo so now you've read another book you can use to add to your story. Jerry

I Did Not read another book and I have NOT added to the story. What I have said was that early on in my investigation I was told by "those" (note this is plural) who lived with Duane in the 60's about a man with whom they had contact in N.Orleans and the approximate time. This man was described to me and things that happened during the stay in N.Orleans.

I DID NOT know who this man was by name - only by description and occupation of sorts. I did not know this man was Ferrie nor did I know Ferrie's history and the information I was provided with early on was before Bradon came up in this Forum. Therefore I DID not make a strong connection. If the connection between Ferrie and Bradon (if that was his real name) actually existed and what is written about them is true - it is possible there is a connection.

It is just another of the strange co-incidences thru out this whole sequence of discovery. I had tried to connect Ferrie with Duane in the past (be sure you read everything I have accounted here and on 101 and unsolved mysteries - add to that my private research prior to 2000). ALL documented in writing and on tape.

After a discussion with a young man Duane knew in the 60's - and the name Bradon being mention in the same sequence of events in the article I referred the forum to.....even you should be rubbing you chin.

The thread and someone who lofts here is responsible for making the connection between this Bradon and Ferrie available. He had NO idea I had a description in the files and in my memory - that matched Ferrie in appearance and occupation...information provided to me many yrs ago and then again within the last 2 yrs by yet another individual connected to Duane during the 60's.

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Jo so now you've read another book you can use to add to your story. Jerry

I have always been curious. Was there ever a program to train chimpanzees to parachute?
The NASA Mercury program talked about doing
that but not sure if they went that far ...
The guy that ran part of that program was
affectionately known as 'SS'. He hated that
nickname ... I knew him very well after he retired.
He was interested in the Cooper case.

Maybe that is the jump training Jo claims Duane
had?

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I have always been curious. Was there ever a program to train chimpanzees to parachute?

Georger, you do realize that there were many many attempts over the yrs to keep a Cooper thread going. Even in this forum just key in Cooper and see how many short lived threads have existed in the past. None of the threads besides the last 2 had enough substance to keep the threads alive.

Instead of griping about me everytime I post - just be thankful you have this thread to post information you acquire or to entertain theories regarding Cooper.

Do you or Jerry even realize how much information about Cooper and the possiblility of the jump being survivable and the history of this 1971 episode have been made available throught the DZ?
Do you know that the DZ thread has actually provide some of the most solid information ever to be made public regarding this skyjacking?

Yes, I can be a pain in the ASS, but I am the only one who has ever persisted and continued to investigate and to tell what I did know...and to continuely try to figure out and to uncover the past of a suspect. Had the FBI have done this - it would not have been necessary for me to use up my life doing so...that is the injustice I see in all of this.

IF the FBI had conclusive proof Weber was not Cooper - and knew WHERE he was on Nov 24, 1971 - they would have made this public knowledge. Instead they falsified information regarding the past of Weber and prematurely stated he had been "excused" due to DNA - which they didn't even know if anything they obtained had Duane Webers DNA on it. Remember they did NOT collect that DNA until 2003 after it had been cleaned several time and handled by many many individuals and then stored in a HOT HUMID FLA attic for 3 yrs.

Then the FBI keeps the DNA in storage for 4 more yrs before it is ever tested (2007) and still claim he was ruled out by DNA results in 2003 - I have the copy of the actual FBI report the agent ACCIDENTALLY left in the box when it was returned to me - the actual dates each item was tested.

I have the receipt from the FBI when they retrived the DNA from me in 2003 and PROOF it was NOT tested until Nov. 2007 and Jan 2008.

Surely if you have a brain in your head you would see the handwriting on the wall...if Duane wasn't Cooper he was very well connected to someone who was and the FBI and/or CIA do NOT want this to become acceptable public knowledge..

One individual died after she told me she KNEW Duane was Cooper - she was still a young woman and her addiction was used to cover-up a murder.

Another individual told me many things - this person was elderly and recovering very well from an incident. She BEGGED me for my address so she could send me something - but, I refused to do so. Since her prior calls came in the middle of the night - I did not let her have the new number acquired in 2002 when I remarried. Instead I called her every 2 to 4 months to see how she was doing...I called 2 hours after she died...very suddenly.

How many people have died because they knew too much - just look at the Kennedy assassination - they fell like flies after there was any indication an individual might have "stumbled" into information. Lots of these were actual murders and not one murderer was located or convicted! Only a minute number of these deaths could have been natural or suicide. A couple where said to be possible suicide, but not proven to be suicide.

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WOW? This forum has now connected The MLK assination, the JFK assinationation, Bay of Pigs. We just have to figure out how 911, and lincoln assination plays into it and we get to direct NATIONAL TREASURE 3. What a way to start the day reading this.

Hey, don't forget Area 51, Roswell and crop circles.

At times, Bruce has hinted about sort of Manchurian Candidate aspect to the Cooper case, with perhaps more than 1 programmed "Cooper".

Let's bring it on, all of it. Aliens, mind control, black ops, the whole frigging deal.

Made a radio jump last Saturday. Was able to contact stations over 65 miles away with a very low power radio from 7500 ft under canopy. No problem at all. Just sayin...

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[SKYWHUFFO 1]

377,
I know it was beat it to death earlier, but condisering 1971 equipment, the weather etc., what is your opinion of if Cooper had a hand held, how big of an area could he contact sombody. The only thing i know about this type of stuff os the walkie talkies i had as a kid sucked after i broke the antenas off. HA! ISeriously go to google earth and draw a circle from the LZ 65 miles as you picked up or knock it down to 20 miles and look where this covers. an accomplise is plauseable. And we have never really touched an accomplise on the ground. HHHMMMM?