DB Cooper

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A long time ago I made the following Post.

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Who was Dan Cooper? If you don't know Now, you will Never Know.

One thing is for certain - he is a ghost and I saw him this afternoon exiting down a set of stairs in what appeared to be a stadium. He was wearing a maroon windbreaker and sporting a tan, full white mustache and a head of white hair. He looked good and well...he didn't look sick anymore and he was moving the way he did yrs before he died. He hasn't left the building yet.

Since I haven't had a dream about him in a long time - maybe he has moved on. The last time was about a yr ago when he showed up as a "homeless" man in a dream (more like a nightmare).

Last summer we had so many homeless in our area and I helped out when I could. Then one night I had the following dream.

The Dream - Nightmare!

This was a waterfront park and Duane was walking toward me and he looked like a homeless man. I said to him "I thought you were dead". Then I said "You must be hungery". I then took this homeless Duane look alike into a little restaurant to feed him. I excused myself for just a moment and when I looked back this man and my purse was gone.

I ran thur a small gate at the entrance to the restaurant and my purse was hanging broad side with the shoulder strap on this small gate. My wallet had been removed which contained my credit cards, Id and some cash. My car keys had also been removed.

Running (which I cannot do) toward the parking lot - I saw my car missing. This is when I woke up. Duane had come back one more time to warn me - not to be so trusting.

I felt like this dream was a message (because I was too visible in helping the homeless).
I spoke with a deputy about a couple of the men I had helped and they were thieves with long records.

Duane had come back to warn me. Trust no one because not everyone is as they seem.

I may have told this story back when it happened, but something reminded me of this dream...while I was watching the history channel tonight. Just a man in a bar scene whose eyes and eye brows where the only things visible - this clip was from 1942....small things trigger old memories...like an expression.

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A quote from Thomas Jefferson:

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

Now back to Cooper:

Do any of you know of a University Professor of Law and Enforcement in the N. Eastern U.S. who is a retired Seattle FBI agent?

This is NOT a game.

It might behoove some of you to read this article: This was the result of interviews with nine former FBI agents - men with a combined 190 yrs of experience in more than 25 bureau offices from Texas to Chicago and from Los Angeles to Washington.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_recruited_and_protected_violent_informants_nationwide_for_decades.html

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Today I was talking to someone about Dollar Corner and this person was unware this was part of the story I have told many times. So for those of you who seem to be unaware of this Connection to Washington that Weber had - here I go again.

On the trip I made with Duane in 1979 to WA after we had made our way back to Hwy 500 and before we went onto I-5, Duane pointed up a road and told me about a place called Dollar Corner - he mentioned a tavern there he used to frequent and I believe he said general store/or feed store. He told me he knew a man there, but we weren't going there today - it was late and we needed to get on up the road to Seattle. At this same time he mentioned how the pipelines and powerlines intersected in the area around Dollar Corner.

When I went back to WA in 2001 the documentary crew and I went to this tavern and spoke to some men there. One man by the name of SNOW took me aside and gave me the name of a man and some general directions to where this person lived. I was given the impression this man I needed to find was somewhat of a hermit. Snow told me the pictures I showed them resembled a man who used to come in yrs back to sing for his drinks - this singer was somewhat of a ladies man. He told me this "hermit" man might remember who the guy was and provide me with some more information.

The crew and I looked and looked for this "hermit", but it was getting late and we finally gave up. Maybe Snow was just yanking my chain. Now with new information about this - I don't think so.

This is the tavern that Jerry claimed was torn down several months prior to my going to Wa in 2001. That was not true and now the tavern may have been torn down for the new highway. BUT, it was still there in 2001.

Today I was told a newspaper in the area had written a story about this Tavern in Dollar Corner - I was told the article listed the history of owners and I have been trying to obtain this article...but, so far no luck. It may have been in the Battleground Reflector or another newpaper in the area.

One the ladies who was with me after the crew left - on my last day in WA. used to go to the Tavern in Dollar Corner back in her dating yrs. She thought the man in the picture was a man who used to sing there and the one song he always sang was San Francisco. The three songs that Duane always sang at piano bars was 1. San Francisco, 2. Sentimental Journey and 3. You Will Never Know.

Now I am chasing down another man who was known to play and sing there - I am hoping his memory is not failing and that he will be willing to talk to me and view some photos - he may well have photos himself.

Another wild goose chase that will prove Duane was Cooper! - NO, it will only prove that what he told me in 1979 was the truth.

If I can prove lots of little things are true that I told the FBI and that Duane told me - then that just puts me one more step closer to the truth - whatever that truth is.

I have asked the forum for help about lots of things lately and hopefully some of you have friends or relatives in WA who would be willing to help me chase these things down - it should have been done in 1996, but I let others do it until 2001 and then I had to set out on my own. This has been a hard 9 yrs plus - and I need some help to finding the truth about Duane Weber's past.

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Strictly as a technical question. What is the reaction to Cooper attaching a reserve to an aircrew emergency chute?

My unbiased choices for answers are:


A. No one with military flight experience would have considered such a configuration.

B. A trained jumper would have asked for a more specific configuration.

C. Chutes is chutes, what's your point?

D. He could have attached both reserves to a harness worn beneath the raincoat and exited in a modified frog posture.

E. Although the Navy harness lacked capewells, rendering the reserve superfluous; I feel that I have been cast adrift in a sea of humanity for nothing more than lacking better graces, placing me in a station where......

F. I like chocolate milk.

G. Repacks and inspection of reserves are bullshit.

H. The reserve Cooper used was for training and inoperative. Proof that he had a large set, just like me.

I. Navy aircrew chutes would be used if you were going to land in the Columbia, Hellloooo.

J. He attached both reserves and pulled all three chutes in a cunningly brilliant plan to disguise himself as Apollo 15 just before splash down.

K. The chutes were a ruse to confuse police since 'Cooper' chucked a couple out of the plane before joining a convent.

L. Chicks think I'm awesome.

M. What on Earth is a reverse chute?

N. If the aircrew had an emergency chute their primary chute must have attached somewhere.

O. Oh, Oh, It's magic.

P. He donned all the chutes under his rain coat and simply exited the plane as a wicked fat dude since the police were after a skinny hijacker.

Q. I got your reserve attachment pal; right here.

R. I would have attached the reserve to the leg straps so the ripcord is in a more natural position for grabbing and pulling.

S. Look, every jumper has choices to make while dealing with lights flashing and blinking.... bliiinnnnking aaaaand flashhhinnnnngg.

T. Either way, I would have done it nude, know what I mean?

U. Repacks and inspections of reserves are still bullshit.

V. If you get the reserve wet, the 5 second rule applies.

W. No one knows what the hell a reserve chute is, but the ladies dig them so we wear them.

X. Wait a minute, you mean to tell me there is a reserve chute?

Y. Your talk about reserve parachutes frightens and scares me, I'm just a skydiver that you unfroze.

Z. zzzzz... zzzzz... zzz. .zzzzz

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Although the Navy harness lacked capewells, rendering the reserve superfluous

Did you mean to say D rings? Capewells are not needed to hook up a reserve.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377,

I probably don't have a clue what I'm talking about.... so let me say more.

The capewells (I see them as quick release devices) are not necessary for attaching the reserve but (I assumed) a nice to have item for ridding a jumper of that failed canopy before deploying the reserve.

I was drawing from my recollections of over 30 years ago. I probably have some faulty recall along with some good old fashioned lore added to the mix.

The harness as I remember was laden with lanyards, knobs and other features which may actually interfere with a reserve or vice versa.

I only used a ripcord (D-handle) once (on the ground) and was surprised at the amount of force required to pull the thing and how long the cable was that held the pack together. Additionally, I remember the handle as being over the left side of the harness with an orientation to pull across the chest from left to right. This might have been less than optimum with a reserve pack attached.

I can say without hesitation that I have never seen a military reserve pack. Ever. Therefore, I have no idea what the mounting hardware entails or what any logical attach points may be on an aircrew rig. None.

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The harness as I remember was laden with lanyards, knobs and other features which may actually interfere with a reserve or vice versa.

Yeah, the rig you had in the front (ejection) seat of BUFFs was probably full of stuff, bailout beacon, O2 bottle, etc. Cossey's NB6 (or NB8?) was stripped down for use by jumpship pilots and didnt have any survival accessories as far as I know. It had no D rings.

It did take a lot of pull force to extract numerous pins from cones in those old military rigs. It was exacerbated if they stuffed an oversized canopy into a non extended container for civilian use. Stuffing a 28 ft C9 into an NB6 container designed for a 26 ft Navy Conical canopy added a lot of extra volume and probably increased the pull force substantially.

I work with a former B 52G AC. Somehow he got to go to Ft Benning for some training and has his jump wings. He did about 5 S/Ls, no freefalls. It might have been some sort of exchange program while he was at the AF Academy.

Be grateful you always landed on wheels rather than your flight boots. Those C9 canopies drop you pretty hard unless you are a featherweight.

377

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377,

You sparked some more memories about the harness. By the way, I did have to make half a dozen landings after being towed into the air by trucks and even an Air Force boat. I would describe the landings as one degree less painful than jumping without a chute.

For as lousy as the chutes were for getting one to the ground in one piece, they were a marvel of utility and space saving engineering. We had oxygen, a rappel rope, emergency transceiver, yes... a flare pen (gyro-jets?), a 38 cal revolver, life raft, rations, signal mirror, fishing hooks, sewing needles, compass, water purification, solar still (not what we hoped for), coffee and some condoms. Slim Pickens was spot on by saying a fella could have a pretty good time in Vegas with all that stuff.

The canopy had three different colors (white, olive and orange) so we could make shelters or signaling devices. I had enough fabric left over to make a crude but sassy evening gown with matching serviettes.

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You omitted one color on your C9 USAF canopy I think, brown. All the multi colored ones I saw were either two color orange and white alternating panels or four color orange white green and brown.

Those gyro jet rockets were cool. The mfr branched out and made rocket powered .22 ammo based on the flare design. Great fun, mini tracers.

I assume the condoms were issued as last ditch inflatable floatation devices, right?

I have one of those USAF rappel "rope" packs. The rope is actualy nylon webbing and there is a really long length of it in a small pack along with a rapelling device. Pretty damned cool setup.

Was Dr Strangelove reasonably accurate in terms of depicting crew ops and gear in a B 52 headed for combat? The crude overlay arctic flight scenes were clunky (some even had a B 17 shadow) but it looked like a real B 52 interior in some shots with real ECM boxes.

Just wondering.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377,

The condoms were for storing water by using the flight helmet as a sort of frame. The experience survival school passed on was how critical water would be. Water, water, water, everything else is sort of a luxury.

The grade I would give Dr. Strangelove for the "Leper Colony" is an A+. It really is astonishing what the set designers were able to glean from a few photos from LIFE magazine. The minutia of the equipment was a parody. Double Master Safety Override Bypass set to Standby? This is quite the paradox since the audience may have 'bought' the concept where BUFF crews were doubled over at the sublime genius and absurd nature of such a system.

The only obvious indicator this being movie set was betrayed when the pilot could stand upright in the cockpit. The only place on the BUFF where you could stand would have been in the navigators compartment, next to the ladder, with the grate in the open position.

The more subtle actions like the crew playing cars or eating lunch while seated before enough destructive power to make a continent uninhabitable for several centuries was inspired genius and probably overlooked by many as well.

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Most of the movie-talk and references that have gone on in this thread has been totally over my head as I am not a movie buff (not to be confused with a BUFF).

But “Dr. Strangelove” is my all time favorite. There is as much innuendo hidden in that film as in “Airplane.”

Have you ever noticed in the opening scene… the refueling umbilicle (boom) is attempting to hit the receiver and it strikes hard… then again… and again… with a loud clunking sound. Then… after a short pause… The David Rose Orchestra (or Hugo Montenegro, or someone) breaks out with “Try a Little Tenderness”. Then, the next attempt, is smooth, gentle, and with full insertion.

The music in movies is important to me, most never notice it.

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About the crew....



Major Kong represented exactly what the rest of the world does not understand about how Americans fight a war. The name Kong as in King Kong and the 'Southern drawl' complete with Stetson was intended as a sort of jab at American culture. This was a total failure as a message.

First of all, I want my military ranks filled with hulking, intimidating, larger than life soldiers. Would it have been better to portray some Harvey Milquetoast reflecting on the latest passage of Voltaire he just read?

Second, that hick, southern drawl is as comforting as the apple pies baked by thousands of mothers across this magnificent country. When I hear Slim Pickens, I also hear my neighbors voice (this is allegory) and therefore the voice of reason. Slim would not mindlessly follow the orders issued from some little dude with a toothbrush moustache.

Third, this aircraft represented the most sinister and underestimated element of what is called American Ingenuity. Missile strikes, leaking fuel, communications failures, equipment fires, vectored fighters, radar tracking and jammed bomb bay doors proved to be little more than a distraction to the crew. Although reality paints a much quicker and violent end to most shoot downs, this crew represented the inner Superman most military members harbor deep inside. Some not so deep.

I can't recall anyone from SAC who thought the crew in Strangelove's BUFF were worthy of anything less than admiration. Kong riding the bomb while hooting like a rodeo cowboy..... Instant Icon. Rather than serving as a harbinger to nuclear annihilation, the crew was used as a pattern for completing a task with limited and failing resources.

The average BUFF crew was well aware that if they were ever to be used in nuclear combat, the likelihood of anything being left was zero. Kong riding the nuke to oblivion was a far more desirable choice than ditching in the Barents or ejecting over Siberia to freeze, starve or experience the effects of long term radiation exposure.

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SKY KING SKY KING, DO NOT ANSWER. (on HF SSB)

Does that ring a bell?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Message as follows.....

Alpha... Oscar.... Niner... Delta... Romeo... Kilo... Fife.... I say again... Alpha...

Holy crap! It's an actual!

Knock it off, that's not funny. Nav, confirm?

He's right, it's a launch.




We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when....

But I'm sure we'll meet again some sunny day....

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Boy!... I’d love to sit down, have a beer, and discuss “points-of-view” with you guys.

During part of the cold war, I was at Stanford doing AFWL (Nevada Test Site) and NRDL (Hunter’s Point) contracts. I wasn’t exposed to any of the Maj. Kong or Buck Turgedson types, but I saw more than my share of the Dr. Strangelove types.

They really do (did) exist, and while they have no more power than a “lap-dog” they influence those who do have (the highest levels of) power.

Sometimes when I think back... it nearly makes me piss in my pants.

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This has paid off big time with in the last 2 days. A woman who lives in the area offered to help me and spent a day in the archives.

Everything I told the FBI was there - but now it is 14 yrs later.
I was not able to put names to the individuals. This has been done now - and the last one died last yr. We are hoping to find enough relatives who might have pictures or remember stories their father and grandfather told.

Duane Weber lived and worked in WA - but, until we interview these people we do not know under what name. More than one WW11 vets are among these individuals.

What did the FBI tell me - put it in a box and mail it to us - OVER my dead body! I have more verification to do and might possibly have to fly to WA.

What did Duane do for or with the knowledge of the CIA or FBI or other organization between 1962 and 1968 that would cause the authorities to look the other way in 1971?

Now for more. I found this album tucked in with my collection (I have only scratched the surface in the review of collection). Since I planned on scaling down I was picking out some to have put onto CDs - I prefer listening to only one recording artist on a disc - not the combo's they put together today of the oldie and you have to sit there and try to figure out who is singing what.

This album is a Columbia recording of Andy Williams made in 1963 called Days of Wine and Roses. I need to find out where and when the photos on the album were made.

Please note the album was NOT part of my collection, but one Duane had tucked into it...wonder how much more I will find?

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There's been some discussion about eyewitnesses and the unreliability thereof, as 377 and others have pointed out. Just watching a programme about it (on BBC Knowledge, not sure if you get that in the US) which gave me a good search keyword (Devlin) - here are a couple of articles + some extracts from them:

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Andrew Roberts, a lecturer in law at Leeds University specialising in evidence, said courts have recognised for a long time that eyewitness identification evidence is "inherently unreliable".

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...the Devlin Committee's investigation of identification evidence, which found that many witnesses overstated their ability to single out the right person.

and this idea has been mentioned here before:

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But it is not just the thorny issue of recognising a face that confuses witnesses. Witnesses' recollection of every aspect of an incident can be contaminated by what they hear from other people.

Forensic psychologist Dr Fiona Gabbert has been working at Aberdeen University with Professor Amina Memon on the distortions in eyewitness recollection.

"Memories are very vulnerable to error. If you witness a crime and then read a local news report everything can be combined in your memory at a later date," she said.

"It can be hard to distinguish between what you saw, and another source of information.

"If there are two people witnessing a crime it is very likely that you are going to ask the person next to you or say 'I can't believe what just happened'."

In studies at the university, subjects were shown very slightly different versions of the same event, such as a crime filmed from different angles.

The subjects are allowed to talk and then a statement is taken as if they are talking to the police.

Dr Gabbert said 70% of participants reported witnessing at least one thing they could not possibly have seen themselves.

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a large and growing number of convictions have been reversed by new DNA evidence. According to Barry Scheck in the Huffington Post, between 1989 and April 2007, 200 convictions have been reversed in this way (the number is still growing). According to the Innocence Project, fourteen (14) of the people were under death sentence! Over 75% of these wrongful convictions were the result of mistaken eyewitness identification

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Wigmore provides an examination of the psychic processes. For example, suppose that the real perpetrator of a crime has properties a,b,c,d,e, and f. What the specific properties are is not important, save that they be visible. Now suppose that the police pick up a suspect who has properties a,b,c,d,m and p. The two differ only in two lesser properties. Prof. Wigmore says that there is a very high risk that the witness will wrongly identify the suspect as the perpetrator and will not be aware of the error.

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It seems that a major problem lies in the general assumption that the identification is correct when they in fact may have no way to know if that is actually the case. Perceptual and/or recollection errors and illusions may be present and be absolutely undetectable

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4177082.stm

http://www.physics.smu.edu/pseudo/Eyewitness/

http://www.jstor.org/pss/1143520

Search a combination of Devlin and eyewitness and you'll come up with lots similar, including in criminology journals etc.

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Remember when Billy Waugh wrote to Sluggo:

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Evening Sluggo, give me a break please, because I do not keep abreast of the DB Cooper incident. I was surely occupied at CCN, SOG Operations in November 1971.

Whomever Cooper was, he pulled a slick one on all concerned.

If I were you, I would look for a lad by the name of Ted Bradon, who was AWOL from SOG Operations about the time of the action.

Please leave me out of this, as I am busy writing and researching.

What if the eye witnesses were wrong about Cooper's eye color? Does that being Ted Braden back in as a suspect? He makes such a good one.

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What if the eye witnesses were wrong about Cooper's eye color? Does that being Ted Braden back in as a suspect? He makes such a good one.

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If a skyjacker handed me a note and said - You had better read that note miss and looked me straight in the eyes as Florence has claimed. - I would remember the color of those eyes.

If I sat beside a man and he was the only one in the cabin and he was a skyjacker - I would try to remember everything about that man I could. No one has said if Tina looked at him without his sun glasses.

Chances of Cooper having blue eyes are very very slim. Again I have mentioned yet another Bradon (not Braden), but no one wants to go there, because they think it is too FAR OUT. If Duane was imprisoned under John Collins and he was not accessible many times (at Jefferson) during the jail time (due to being in solitaire) - WHY would they give this man a Commutation of Sentence.

Solitare does not exemplify a model prisoner? So why was Duane Weber (John Collins) actually in Jefferson? Note that Duane's past from 1962- 1969 places him in N.Orleans. on more than one occasion and in the company of someone else implicated in the investigation of JFK and Oswald. Note this time encompasses before, during and after this encarceration.

Was the "Grudge" because Collins got the clean slate and not Weber? Where promises made that weren't kept?

I have refrained from discussing this over the yrs - but at this time I have absolutely NOTHING to loose since many are convinced I am a liar and a teller of stories - just as well tell the rest of it.

Was Duane in N.Orleans after he "left" Jefferson and WAS HE KNOWN to be in the company of one of the KEY individuals in that long drawn-out investigation? Certain individuals were NEVER questioned - by the FBI regarding Weber...and I understand their reasons for not doing so....that doesn't make it right.

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If a skyjacker handed me a note and said - You had better read that note miss and looked me straight in the eyes as Florence has claimed. - I would remember the color of those eyes.

You'd be surprised Jo at how many scared bank tellers get the armed robber's eye color wrong. One real problem is the certainty with which incorrect eyewitness testimony is usually offered.

Careful research has proven again and again that eyewitness testimony from stressed crime victims is unreliable.

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A young lady came into my life a few weeks ago by way of a letter. She did not have a phone number for me, but was determined to get in touch with me. I responded and the discoveries that have happened since are amazing - this girl is amazing. She has spent hours pouring over old records in the court house. According to the FBI research (if they researched Duane's yrs in WA) there was nothing to be found.

I have spent hours on the phone with the various contacts this led me to and hours on the computer going over the things she sent me. She sent by mail things I never heard of - maps I didn't know existed and old newpaper clippings of incidents I had never heard of. Sluggo told me to research Duane and in doing so - it is showing - Duane told me truths on that trip.

We are still in the Washougal and Cames area with the current information. Next on to The Dales and Goldendale and then on to Brush Prairie and so on.

In the process of sending pictures to certain subjects - problem with this is everyone who knew anything died within the last 6 yrs and/or are in nursing homes...but some of the families are willing to look at photos I have and reference them to photos they might have.
There are some old family photos I have NEVER MADE public and we are hoping this is going to help us establish - Duane and his family's connections in Washington State and in Oregon.

She found this - an old article in the newspaper (she did not put the name of the paper on the article - last part is CORD, but the date is Wednesday, Dec. 15, 1971) and note that all I can do is type the article and the media never published names in those days, but hopefully someone can help me locate Fishers Landing on the Columbia. This is tying in with something else my guy found we are not willing to give up just yet.

Columbia Surrenders Pickup

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A pickup stolen in Portland sometime last week, was recovered from the Columbia River just off Fisher's Landing last Friday.

An intensive search was begun for the the vehicle on Tuesday when a camper top was found floating down the columbia river.

Information in the camper led the Clark County Sheriff's Dep. to believe that the camper top was from a pickup belonging to an unknown owner who worked for a trucking firm in Portland, a spokesman for the Sherriff's Office said.

Deputies checked with the trucking firm but no vehicles had been reported missing by any of their drivers.

On Thursday, however, the firm notified the Sheriff's Dep. that a driver had just returned from Yreka, Calif., and that when he had gone to get into his pickup, he discovered it was missing from the parking lot.

Deputies checked the river bank on the Clark County side and detected tire tracks leading into the river at Fishers.

A call was made to the Multnomah county Sheriff's Dept and they "sounded" the area with their patrol boat and reported to the CLark Sheriff's Dept that they believed a vehicle was in the water near Fisher's Landing.

Friday, with the aid of a skindiver, the Sheriff's Dept. and two tow truck, the pickup was retireved from the Columbia's waters.

I need to know who that truck was registered to and I need to find out exactly what KIND of camper top or camper was on it.

May be completely unrelated, perhaps ...but if it is a match the sequence of coincidences gets just a little too much to ignore. Surely someone kept some records on this incident.

I have a feeling the FBI has records on this because of the time and location of the incident...but, do you think they will give them up - NO, the FBI want me to put what I have in a "box" and send it to them. I told the agent NO WAY. He was not even the agent of record.

All for today because I have lots of other things she sent me that I have to read and research. Jerry was asked to do this in (1997) - lots of the individuals where still alive and in respectable health at that time. The loss of time is creating a time warp to work with, but it is still possible.

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Fishers Landing on the Columbia. This is tying in with something else my guy found we are not willing to give up just yet.

Such secrecy over things that happened nearly four decades ago? Might one ask why Jo?

Between you and what you claim the FBI is withholding, nothing will see the light of day.

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Jo,

Fisher Landing is located at:
N45º 35.219’ W122º 30.287’
Mile Marker 115 (Columbia River)
On the north channel around Government Island
5.5 Statute Miles East of the PDX Airport.

From http://columbiariverimages.com/Regions/Places/fishers_landing.html (has lots of links to more info):

“Fisher’s Landing ...
The small community of Fisher and the once thriving docks of Fishers Landing are located at Columbia River Mile (RM) 115, directly across from Government Island and approximately 2 miles upstream of the Vancouver Trout Hatchery and the Interstate 205 Bridge, and 3 miles downstream of Lady Island and Camas, Washington. In the late 1800s Fishers Landing was a steamboat landing. In the early 1900s to the late 1960s it was the Washington end of a ferry which went across to Government Island. Today there is a small community park and beach, and not much left of the old ferry landing. Throughout the years the community of Fisher has been known as "Fishers Landing", "Fishers", and "Fishers Wharf", and even at one time "Pumpkin Center".”

A simple Google Search using the search term “Fisher Landing Washington” gets you about 1,030,000 results (0.28 seconds). When are you going to learn how to do an internet search?

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When are you going to learn how to do an internet search?

I suppose it would be far too cynical to respond that that wouldn't be an excuse for yet another tease ...

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Jo,

Fisher Landing is located at:
N45º 35.219’ W122º 30.287’
Mile Marker 115 (Columbia River)
On the north channel around Government Island
5.5 Statute Miles East of the PDX Airport.

From http://columbiariverimages.com/Regions/Places/fishers_landing.html (has lots of links to more info):

“Fisher’s Landing ...
The small community of Fisher and the once thriving docks of Fishers Landing are located at Columbia River Mile (RM) 115, directly across from Government Island and approximately 2 miles upstream of the Vancouver Trout Hatchery and the Interstate 205 Bridge, and 3 miles downstream of Lady Island and Camas, Washington. In the late 1800s Fishers Landing was a steamboat landing. In the early 1900s to the late 1960s it was the Washington end of a ferry which went across to Government Island. Today there is a small community park and beach, and not much left of the old ferry landing. Throughout the years the community of Fisher has been known as "Fishers Landing", "Fishers", and "Fishers Wharf", and even at one time "Pumpkin Center".”

A simple Google Search using the search term “Fisher Landing Washington” gets you about 1,030,000 results (0.28 seconds). When are you going to learn how to do an internet search?

Thank You so much - If I had been able to do the searching this girl did for me - in the archives and other seaches on the internet - I might be a few steps ahead right now. I search but I come up with all kinds of junk I am unable to sort through.

Duane talked about Government Island while we where in Wa. - it was brief - but, it had something to do with him working on it. Outside of that I don't remember squat what he said about that island - too many yrs...and I had so many other things to remember. I did mention this island in a conversation with Himmelsbach.
I figured Government Island and McNeil went hand in hand and never gave it another thought...and Now YOU tell me it is close to this Fishers Landing.

See what I mean - no one took the time to sit down with me and the facts and really pick my brains for a few weeks...and I didn't know what was important and what wasn't. I wish back in 1996 I could have got on a plane and went to WA and spent several days with a PI, but that was just an unaffordable quest at that time and even today the PI would be out. Maybe all I will be able to prove is that Duane was in WA for a few yrs., but right now I think it is going further than that.

Remember, Sluggo - it was your suggestion I concentrate on the background of Duane L. Weber.

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