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Does it not say:
"The date stamped on the found parachute --
Feb. 21, 1946 -- is the repacking date, not the packing date, Hanson said. Local military historian John "Cye" Laramie said last week that date was the only thing questionable about linking it to Walling's crash"
Taking the above literally is questionable and confusing. I question the knowledge of Hanson and historian Laramie.
Unless protocol was different in 1946 than it is now--which I doubt was the case--packing dates and repacking dates are not stamped on a parachute they are written in a packing data record card which is placed in a "pocket" of the container the rig is packed in.
The only date I ever recall seeing stamped onto a canopy is the manufacturing date. All packing and maintenance data is on the packing data card.
I defer to any Master Rigger who can correct my thoughts on this since I have only a Senior rating.
It seems strange to me also. In fact very strange, but what do I know! I know nothing of these matters. My first layman's thought was that it
looked like some chute purchased at a surplus
store and the store or somebody had stamped the cute with a date 'for inventory', in a pile of chutes being sorted prior to distribution and sale? There
is something fishy about the whole thing, but I am
willing to bet the answer is a simple one whatever it is?
It's just one more example of something that should be simple not being simple, in this case!
So, the people from Venus did it! Or this is another
in a long line of signs of conspiracy, on the Govt or
Satin's part, with xrays being beamed on Florida also! And only some inconspicuous realtor from
New Mexico can dig the truth out, through her spy network .... using Snmowmmaannn.
Maybe the chute was stolen from a mummy museum by Sylvester Stalonne, except the numbers are modern English and not ancient Coptic?
SYLVESTER! PLEASE DONT SUE ME!
This case is full of this shite.
councilman24 37
It doesn't matter what the news paper says. I KNOW this as a FAA Designated Parachute Rigger Examiner.
Repack dates weren't and aren't stamped on the canopy. They are written on a paper record stored on the container.
This parachute didn't exist until Feb 1946.
When you know what your talking about rather than quoting someone who doesn't let me know.
The only reason for a canopy to be buried is to conceaL it.
I'm done.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE
QuoteJo writes:
QuoteUnlike Grey, Cook, Himmelsbach and Tosaw - Blevins is JUST a writer for profit
Really??? Isn't this the guy who put his first edition on the Internet FOR FREE in an effort to solicit responses which would improve the factual accuracy of subsequent publications?
There is nothing wrong with being "JUST a writer for profit." You don't have to be a starving zealot to be a credible journalist.
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You KNOW that is not how it is meant - What are you? Blevins promotionalist. I am stating his motive is entirely different than mine and that of others - he is a writer and not someone with a heavily invest effort in this in terms of yrs and peronal research.
Blevins did not enter the Cooper story because of personal interest - his motive was to make money.
QuoteQuote
Does it not say:
"The date stamped on the found parachute --
Feb. 21, 1946 -- is the repacking date, not the packing date, Hanson said. Local military historian John "Cye" Laramie said last week that date was the only thing questionable about linking it to Walling's crash"
Taking the above literally is questionable and confusing. I question the knowledge of Hanson and historian Laramie.
Unless protocol was different in 1946 than it is now--which I doubt was the case--packing dates and repacking dates are not stamped on a parachute they are written in a packing data record card which is placed in a "pocket" of the container the rig is packed in.
The only date I ever recall seeing stamped onto a canopy is the manufacturing date. All packing and maintenance data is on the packing data card.
I defer to any Master Rigger who can correct my thoughts on this since I have only a Senior rating.
Thank you for a good sensible answer - I just do not know why some people get so out of sort when I ask what I consider a reasonable question. If what they were saying about a packing date - was correct then the chute could not be Wallings, then who's was it? This was all I was enquiring about. Was simply asking for clarification of what I had read and what I thought I understood... and to find out if there could possibly be a misunderstanding about the dates that were reported and what these dated meant on that "pink" chute.
QuoteSo nobody is saying the chute belonged to Walling and nobody in any article I have read
has mentioned Jo Weber as an authority about anything! And, people acknowledge there is a
problem about the dates ... etc.
Georger,why are you so insulting? I have stated before I know nothing about chutes or jumping.
All I did was ask a simple question for clarification since I did not understand what was being said. At least Guru understood what I was trying to enquire about and addressed the situtation without insulting me or making snide demeaning remarks. Guru is a jumper and you Georger are not.
Guru312 0
QuoteThe 1946 date is the date of manufacture. The other number is either the part number or the contract number.
It doesn't matter what the news paper says. I KNOW this as a FAA Designated Parachute Rigger Examiner.
Repack dates weren't and aren't stamped on the canopy. They are written on a paper record stored on the container.
This parachute didn't exist until Feb 1946.
When you know what your talking about rather than quoting someone who doesn't let me know.
The only reason for a canopy to be buried is to conceaL it.
I'm done.
Don't go yet.
Was your above response to my post or someone else's? It seems to me we are both saying the same thing.
I know I should have stayed away from this thread.
I am not DB Cooper
QuoteQuoteThe 1946 date is the date of manufacture. The other number is either the part number or the contract number.
It doesn't matter what the news paper says. I KNOW this as a FAA Designated Parachute Rigger Examiner.
Repack dates weren't and aren't stamped on the canopy. They are written on a paper record stored on the container.
This parachute didn't exist until Feb 1946.
When you know what your talking about rather than quoting someone who doesn't let me know.
The only reason for a canopy to be buried is to conceaL it.
I'm done.
Don't go yet.
Was your above response to my post or someone else's? It seems to me we are both saying the same thing.
I know I should have stayed away from this thread.
Guru, You are right - both of you are saying the same thing. I didn't understand Councilman's retort either? Since he is new to the site maybe all this going back and forth got him flipflopped.
I know they have me Totally Confused - but, for someone with Blonde roots that is REAL easy. Now they got me where I don't even know what color the Found chute was. You are right Guru ... I keep asking myself why I even bother to post here.
I have a question for you, but I will P.M. it.
georger 244
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QuoteSo nobody is saying the chute belonged to Walling and nobody in any article I have read
has mentioned Jo Weber as an authority about anything! And, people acknowledge there is a
problem about the dates ... etc.
Georger,why are you so insulting? I have stated before I know nothing about chutes or jumping.
All I did was ask a simple question for clarification since I did not understand what was being said. At least Guru understood what I was trying to enquire about and addressed the situtation without insulting me or making snide demeaning remarks. Guru is a jumper and you Georger are not.
"The Devil Made Me Do IT." (Jo Weber).
georger 244
QuoteQuoteThe 1946 date is the date of manufacture. The other number is either the part number or the contract number.
It doesn't matter what the news paper says. I KNOW this as a FAA Designated Parachute Rigger Examiner.
Repack dates weren't and aren't stamped on the canopy. They are written on a paper record stored on the container.
This parachute didn't exist until Feb 1946.
When you know what your talking about rather than quoting someone who doesn't let me know.
The only reason for a canopy to be buried is to conceaL it.
I'm done.
Don't go yet.
Was your above response to my post or someone else's? It seems to me we are both saying the same thing.
I know I should have stayed away from this thread.
Yep, too many things and agendae going on here
all at the same time ...
You said, "I question the knowledge of Hanson and historian Laramie." They seem to only add to the confusion.
Councilman says The only reason for a canopy to be buried is to conceaL it. Nothing gets buried unless to conceal, especially a parachute.
The chute was found near a field or a road? Things get buried all the time here in rural areas near fields and roads.. in the 50s that used to be the rule rather than an exception including historically important artifacts.. but that cannot apply here since this is the Cooper case. Nothing is as it appears in the Cooperphelia.
Take care you might get sued for joining in when they sing "their" pledge of allegiance to buried
parachuites.
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QuoteBlevins did not enter the Cooper story because of personal interest - his motive was to make money.
How do you know what his motive was? Sounds like he could have made a lot more doing his regular gig, manuscript editing, than he did working on the Cooper book.
Anyone who thinks they will make serious money off Cooper is a fool and Blevins is not a fool. You could make a lot more money writing trash about Lindsey Lohan or Paris Hilton.
I agree about the Amboy chute stamp being a mfr date. I've seen hundreds of surplus canopies ranging from WW 2 vintage through the 60s and the only date stamp I've seen on the fabric is the mfr date, NEVER a repack date.
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georger 244
QuoteQuoteBlevins did not enter the Cooper story because of personal interest - his motive was to make money.
How do you know what his motive was? Sounds like he could have made a lot more doing his regular gig, manuscript editing, than he did working on the Cooper book.
Anyone who thinks they will make serious money off Cooper is a fool and Blevins is not a fool. You could make a lot more money writing trash about Lindsey Lohan or Paris Hilton.
I agree about the Amboy chute stamp being a mfr date. I've seen hundreds of surplus canopies ranging from WW 2 vintage through the 60s and the only date stamp I've seen on the fabric is the mfr date, NEVER a repack date.
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Take yer choice - accounts of the chute finding:
The parachute was unearthed in a field that was being plowed by the property owner and was found by the man’s children while they were playing. The children pulled the cloth until the chute’s shroud lines appeared and their father recognized it as a parachute. Kirotv
Children playing outside their home near Amboy found the chute's fabric sticking up from the ground in an area where their father had been grading a road, agent Larry Carr said. They pulled it out as far as they could, then cut the parachute's ropes with scissors. Assoc Press
He may have landed around Amboy, not 30 miles from Portland. That's the same area where children playing outside their home recently found fabric sticking up from the ground where their father had been grading a road, FBI agent Larry Carr said Tuesday.The children, responding to a publicity campaign, urged their father to call the FBI, Carr said, and when their find became public this week, it reignited talk of the region's favorite folk hero. FOX NEWS
FBI agent Laura Laughlin said Tuesday that the agency came to its conclusion after speaking with parachute experts. It also dug where children found the parachute early last month. USA TODAY
The parachute -- similar to the one Cooper jumped with -- was unearthed earlier this month after a Clark County man plowed part of the rural property he's owned for nearly a decade, said Larry Carr, the lead agent on the Cooper case. The man's children found the parachute when they were playing and Carr, who is based in Seattle, retrieved it from southwest Washington. Seattle PI
Cooper may have landed around Amboy, less than 30 miles from Portland, the same area where children playing outside their home recently found fabric sticking out of the ground where their father had been grading a road, FBI agent Larry Carr said. News.Scotsman.com
Children playing outside their home in Amboy, Wash., found the chute sticking up from the ground. Having seen recent media coverage of the case when the FBI launched publicity efforts last fall, they urged their father to call the authorities. National.ABC.NEWS
I live at Amboy and the FBI in Seattle is looking for local experts to step forward to help analyze a parachute unearthed in a field. Is it a Navy Backpack-6? Perhaps the very one used in 1971 by infamous skyjacker D.B. Cooper? It was recently dug up by the landowner's kids near Amboy, when the road to the field was being improved. Blogger KING
Larry Carr, the FBI special agent who reopened the case in January, said the children saw the partially-exposed parachute in an area where their father had been repairing a road. Telegraph.co.uk
An investigator with the FBI says the parachute was found in an agricultural field by some kids, it appeared to have been buried. The parachute Cooper used in 1971 was white, so is the one that the Washington kids found. The FBI agent believes it probably is Cooper's 'chute, or it is a strong coincidence. The Associated Press reports that the farm field is in Cooper's most probable landing zone, between Green and Bald mountains near Amboy. Salem-News.com
The discoverers of the chute and its exact location are undisclosed, although theories here favor a number of backroads in the steep, heavily wooded hills where moss-draped trees are of almost rain-forest density. But some ask how the chute came to be buried if Cooper didn't live to bury it. Or if it isn't Cooper's, they ask, whose is it? Retired FBI agent Ralph Himmelsbach of Woodburn, Ore., who worked the case for years, said yesterday that he doubts the remnant is from Cooper's parachute. JB Frazier Associated Press 3-27-08
FBI agent Larry Carr said that earlier this month, children playing outside their home near the town of Amboy in Oregon state recently found fabric sticking up from the ground where their father had been grading a road. Sydney Morning Harold, UPI
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QuoteBlevins did not enter the Cooper story because of personal interest - his motive was to make money.
Ya know, often times a person has a personal interest in making money.
The World's Most Boring Skydiver
georger 244
QuoteQuoteBlevins did not enter the Cooper story because of personal interest - his motive was to make money.
How do you know what his motive was? Sounds like he could have made a lot more doing his regular gig, manuscript editing, than he did working on the Cooper book.
Anyone who thinks they will make serious money off Cooper is a fool and Blevins is not a fool. You could make a lot more money writing trash about Lindsey Lohan or Paris Hilton.
I agree about the Amboy chute stamp being a mfr date. I've seen hundreds of surplus canopies ranging from WW 2 vintage through the 60s and the only date stamp I've seen on the fabric is the mfr date, NEVER a repack date.
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found this also -
"Posted by Whistle Berries at 4/1/08 5:16 p.m.
http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/archives/135556.asp
" Hmmm...
More than likely, that parachute found near Amboy was one used by Clyde Snufford.
He was a U.S. Army Viet Nam veteran who lost one leg below the knee, after he stepped on a bamboo spike and the wound became infected, back in 1968.
An avid parachuting enthusiast, he participated in many jumps. That last one, when he had the rough landing, he broke his good left leg in three places, and had to crawl about a mile and a half to get to some help.
Of course, he left the parachute behind, and after a few weeks of medical treatment and recovery, he thought that it was not worth the effort to go find it.
Clyde moved to Chicota, Texas about 20 years ago, and I've since lost track of him."
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There is also a long post by Blevins on the same Seattle PI blog (url above) for those who wish to
find and read it.
There is a photo of the father and children at the find site that used to be on the net - did anyone save it?
The following url supposedly shows the find location
although the location is not marked - follow the Google map link:
http://www.wheredidithappen.com/recent_additions.php?pageNum_get_currentevent=3&totalRows_get_currentevent=86
Taking the above literally is questionable and confusing. I question the knowledge of Hanson and historian Laramie.
Unless protocol was different in 1946 than it is now--which I doubt was the case--packing dates and repacking dates are not stamped on a parachute they are written in a packing data record card which is placed in a "pocket" of the container the rig is packed in.
The only date I ever recall seeing stamped onto a canopy is the manufacturing date. All packing and maintenance data is on the packing data card.
I defer to any Master Rigger who can correct my thoughts on this since I have only a Senior rating.
I am not DB Cooper
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