377 22 #18226 August 29, 2010 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/for/1915341008.html the apex skirt reinforcement looks white and the lines appear white which argues against a civilian dye job. Any rigger opinions? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #18227 August 29, 2010 Quotehttp://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/for/1915341008.html the apex skirt reinforcement looks white and the lines appear white which argues against a civilian dye job. Any rigger opinions? 377 Did you know: Clyde Snufford. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #18228 August 29, 2010 Quote There is nothing wrong with being "JUST a writer for profit." You don't have to be a starving zealot to be a credible journalist. 377 +1. I'm sure Woodward and Bernstein weren't working for the Washington Post out of charity.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #18229 August 29, 2010 That chute from Craigslist could (but won't) serve as a control point for a few assumptions. Pink canopies appear to exist in several variations. I'm guessing the design was the driver for color selection. Paratroopers would favor canopies that match the surrounding terrain in order to maintain cover. Aircrew and cargo may be more desirous of DayGlo colors since being recovered is their primary goal. Surplus canopies are not like Faberge Eggs. My father got ahold of some surplus rigs through his ring knocking, network of friends. The chute was promptly gutted as the part he was most interested in using was the harness. A couple straps of webbing (also surplus) made for the perfect and cheap safety harness for climbing his HAM tower. Not too glamorous, but useful. The canopy was used for several things. All of which seem a little odd now. Using bamboo poles, you could cover fruit trees or vines as a way to prevent frost damage to them. One was used as a temporary roof (sun shade) for cattle till the barn could be completed. Another was used as a ground cover around almond trees during harvest. Surround the base of the tree with the canopy and using bamboo poles (again) to knock the nuts out of the branches. Then lift the edges of the canopy to corral your herd of nuts to a central collection point, then off to the next tree. You can imagine my surprise to discover these things also having a use in aviation. I'm not as much surprised that a person discovers a parachute in the forest as much as the correlation to Cooper is assumed, if not an absolute. Cossey said the Amboy canopy was not his chute and that should have been the end. Since it was near where Cooper may have jumped, further research appears to be required. Strange. Growing up in a rural environment, we typically had uses for cheap things that could cover big things, like cows and trees. Certain suburban people are typically more consumed about their neighbors use of a non-conformist, door knocker which was installed, without prior approval of the Home Owners Association. The latter group appear to take more than door knockers way too seriously. The cornerstone of 'Research and Development' is the ability to fail and move on efficiently to the next variable. Not too glamorous, but useful. The Amboy chute was not Cooper's..... next contestant please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #18230 August 29, 2010 QuoteDid you know: Clyde Snufford. No, but I sure have to respect the courage of a one legged Nam vet who jumped round canopies. No way would ANY skydiver be jumping a 1946 surplus SILK canopy in the late 60s. I don't think the canopy was Clydes. It must have come from another source. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #18231 August 29, 2010 QuoteThat chute from Craigslist could (but won't) serve as a control point for a few assumptions. Pink canopies appear to exist in several variations. I'm guessing the design was the driver for color selection. Paratroopers would favor canopies that match the surrounding terrain in order to maintain cover. Aircrew and cargo may be more desirous of DayGlo colors since being recovered is their primary goal. Surplus canopies are not like Faberge Eggs. My father got ahold of some surplus rigs through his ring knocking, network of friends. The chute was promptly gutted as the part he was most interested in using was the harness. A couple straps of webbing (also surplus) made for the perfect and cheap safety harness for climbing his HAM tower. Not too glamorous, but useful. The canopy was used for several things. All of which seem a little odd now. Using bamboo poles, you could cover fruit trees or vines as a way to prevent frost damage to them. One was used as a temporary roof (sun shade) for cattle till the barn could be completed. Another was used as a ground cover around almond trees during harvest. Surround the base of the tree with the canopy and using bamboo poles (again) to knock the nuts out of the branches. Then lift the edges of the canopy to corral your herd of nuts to a central collection point, then off to the next tree. You can imagine my surprise to discover these things also having a use in aviation. I'm not as much surprised that a person discovers a parachute in the forest as much as the correlation to Cooper is assumed, if not an absolute. Cossey said the Amboy canopy was not his chute and that should have been the end. Since it was near where Cooper may have jumped, further research appears to be required. Strange. Growing up in a rural environment, we typically had uses for cheap things that could cover big things, like cows and trees. Certain suburban people are typically more consumed about their neighbors use of a non-conformist, door knocker which was installed, without prior approval of the Home Owners Association. The latter group appear to take more than door knockers way too seriously. The cornerstone of 'Research and Development' is the ability to fail and move on efficiently to the next variable. Not too glamorous, but useful. The Amboy chute was not Cooper's..... next contestant please. Priceless ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #18232 August 29, 2010 Anyone know who has the Amboy canopy now? If the FBI still has it, why? If it has zero evidentiary value, they would (should?) have either returned it to those who found it or destroyed it. Just curious. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18233 August 29, 2010 QuoteBlevins did not enter the Cooper story because of personal interest - his motive was to make money. Which could be good or bad, but in and of itself is meaningless compared to the motivations of dozens of people that have come and gone in this thread including people that just wanted attention. Some of the finest works ever created have been done for profit. Some of the worst works ever created were by people that just wanted to be noticed or "loved" a topic but had no clue as to go about investigating or telling a story.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #18234 August 30, 2010 I will settle just for finding the truth about the man I spent 17 yrs of my life with...and I am not a writer. I would think if one was so desperate for love or attention - there are other ways to acquire that. I know there have been lots of individuals who have made claims about Cooper and have written books, so I suppose they could just be looking for fame or attention......most just fade away in time...or their books end up collecting dust or being read by others seeking the same answers. Most of the individuals in this thread - just want to know the truth - regardless of who Cooper was. Since I have a personal interest - my drive and persistance is very annoying...to others who want only to write a book or toy with the theories on Cooper.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #18235 August 30, 2010 Quote Edge West is very proud to announce that ‘The Skyjacker That Got Away’ has been nominated for an Emmy at the 2010 News & Documentary Awards. The winners will be announced on Sep 27th. The film also won a 2010 Silver Telly Award and has gained a great following from everyone who has seen it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #18236 August 31, 2010 I hope Watson knows something unique and non public that can solve the case, but I have my doubts. It wouldn't be the first time that a "nobody" (media wise) sees a chance to become a "somebody" by changing his story and goes for it. Fame and media attention, even if brief, is an irresistable lure for some people. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #18237 August 31, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Edge West is very proud to announce that ‘The Skyjacker That Got Away’ has been nominated for an Emmy at the 2010 News & Documentary Awards. The winners will be announced on Sep 27th. The film also won a 2010 Silver Telly Award and has gained a great following from everyone who has seen it. I saw that show, and it was very good. Too bad they couldn't figure out the ending... Thanks Robert, that is appreciated. Best of luck to you also. One important element was to try and establish a standard, in what has become a very difficult venue as you know. They were not the results we had hoped for but it was a start and all can be proud for that. I think Larry is to be congratulated. Tom and Allen likewise... It was a very difficult thing to do, took courage, and I believe will prove to have been worth the effort. G. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #18238 September 1, 2010 Mr. Blevins finally got wind of something going on in WA besides his History Channel documentary! Betcha! The Cooper Pot is sure sizzling right now - makes me think about that big old cast iron pot we used to cook the rinds in after we butchered the hogs. You know we made Lye Soap in that same pot. Today that would be unheard of...contamination. Why in the world would I think of slaugtering hogs and making pork rinds and lye soap in relation to the D.B. Cooper Saga? Has to be a REAL good Reason.Perhaps I was just making a joke, but then maybe not.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #18239 September 1, 2010 Quote Well, I've already said everything I'm allowed to say regarding the TV show and anything else about the Christiansen case would be redundant. Edited out for being brief and stating a point. As far as 'anything going on in Washington,' the only thing I'm aware of is the Ariel, WA DB Cooper celebration coming up on the weekend FOLLOWING Thanksgiving weekend. If you want to give me a hard time about the book or Cooper or Christiansen, drop by. I will be there with AB staff member Greg the Techie Guy. Mr. Blevins: You need to keep your eyes on the subject and on what is going on around you. For 2 wks you have been surrounded and you could not see thru the forest you created. In fact you must be deaf and blind (by choice) when you were not aware of a 727 and fim crews all over the Cooper areas. P.S. You are here trying to SELL your book and you might as well fess up to that. Your denial is silly - of course, that is why you are here! If it was for information you would have read back into all of multiple pages to obtain the information you claimed to be seeking. I am called delusional, so pay me no mind. No one listens to "crazy" people, but sometimes they are crazy like a fox...... and they get the last laugh, but sometime they don't.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #18240 September 1, 2010 Blevins stated: Quote I am not here to advertise, but to provide and exchange information. If I wanted to just advertise the book, I would post up on my Newsvine/MSNBC column, since it gets an average of 250,000 visitors a year. That said it all. Most of the information you sought you could have read in this thread and the last thread or you could have come into the forum using an avatar and name not associated with your book. Of course you came here to promote your book - no need to deny that! The thread kept you occupied while the cameras and crews ROLLED thru your area these past 2 wks. I for one have not minded your being here at all - and everyone has tried to be helpful even if they didn't agree with you, but that is what the DZ Folks are all about. They are informative and they know and love what they do. NOT providing links to the forum is self-serving. You don't want your readers to know about an alternative information source more factual and analytical than other Cooper trivia available. Your own statment contradicts your motive, but I just love it!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #18241 September 2, 2010 Blevins said: Quote When I said I didn't post up links, I meant links to the book at Amazon, not this forum. Jo says: The above response was in relation to the prior post he made below: Blevins stated: "I am not here to advertise, but to provide and exchange information. If I wanted to just advertise the book, I would post up on my Newsvine/MSNBC column, since it gets an average of 250,000 visitors a year. This is a parachute forum and probably less than fifty people are reading these posts. " "Doesn't mean it isn't a great site, though. Just means I'm not here to push the book. I don't make links to it, etc." +++++++++++++++++++++ Quote from Blevins: "When I said I didn't post up links, I meant links to the book at Amazon, not this forum." This is a very small dose of what I have with stood for 14 yrs to tell what I believe and know to be true. I have lived it and you have only been involved for what? 2 yrs? Go back and read this thread and the prior thread that got locked down. When you do you will understand why I have no sympathy for your exasperations and loss of income. There are several other sites going back as far as 2000 when I bought my 1st computer. Prior to that I can produce phone bills and other expenses that are several times a figure you quoted several post ago in monies spent. I spent more than that in phone bills alone in the first 4 yrs of my search prior to obtaining a computer and teaching myself how to use it. I am not a writer and I am not writing a book. What I am doing is personal and like the song he used to sing to me, as he did on our wedding night with a full band behind him "You'll Never Know If You Don't Know Now". Until that night I did NOT know he could sing, much less be in complete control of a group of musicians - I only recently learned how he obtained this knowledge...in Oregon. He had a stage presence everyone remembers. Like Mr. H told me recently "He wasn't all bad, he made something out of himself and did some good things in his life". Below a quote from the writings of Jo Weber aka Ms Cooper aka Skyjack71 "On that flight November 24, 1971 there was truely an Angel aboard and her name was Tina. At the age of 22 she was very brave - and let her belief in God guide her. In the wisdom God bestowed upon her during those moments she thought might be her last ones upon earth - she provided this skyjacker some guidelines by which he would live out his life. He vowed that if he survived - he would do something good with his life. This change did not happen over night - it was a slow process. He tried to live his life doing what she directed him to do with those guidelines." He died with a statue of Mary in his hands and he was NOT Catholic nor was the hospital...he refused to see the Hospital Chaplin, but did spend some time with an Army Chaplin who had a relative in the same hospital. Mr. Blevins - please note you have another error I have pointed out and you need to correct this. According to the records, Captain Scott did NOT go aft and if he did the man who wrote or provide the story for Ha Ha Ha by D.B. Cooper also knew this....I know that you and the author of HA HA HA are the only ones to ever state this. Maybe someone is having a HA HA HA moment with you and Porteous. Remember the crew is sick of being baggered and maybe they are doing their own TELL ALL. .Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #18242 September 2, 2010 Yes, I am asking for help. Does anyone remember the name of a suspect who was questioned and then released. The name was something like Rakestraw. I don't remember it and cannot find the reference we made to this individual in the forum. HELP! I am not good as searching the word thing for the forum - it searches all the threads...and that was to much.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sluggo_Monster 0 #18243 September 2, 2010 Hey Jo! Psssssst... Go Here Wasn't it you who just accused Blevens of not reading? Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #18244 September 3, 2010 QuoteHey Jo! Psssssst... Go Here Wasn't it you who just accused Blevens of not reading? What-ever it is I can't open it. I was not even beenable to open anything in DZ except this thread. Something about a "fetchrow hashref" and I have no idea what that is or what to do. It costs me $125. for a guy to come out and fix these things. I went to settings, but don't have a clue what to do. I knew we had a picture and somethings on Rakestraw in this thread, but what I need to find out is if he ever spelled Rakestraw and not Rackstraw and where he was living in 1980. It is not that I am NOT reading, but I can't open the sites. One of the threads in History and Trivia has a list of jumpers and I have some names to compare against that list....but this is the only thread I can open. I know it is ODD - I am asking where this guy lived and if he was alive in 1980...but it is NOT like I am "writing" a book that is being published with "Obvious" mistakes. For Heaven's Sake, Sluggo this is what Orange always did. I corrected Blevins in a NICE way - because regardless of my opinions about his Suspect, the facts need to be correct - if you fictionalize the Facts then the complete book becomes Fiction. You will note that I only point out the obvious to him. If he was unaware of what has been going on in WA the last couple of Weeks then he has his head in a bucket or something. I live clear across the country and yet I knew what was happening on Blevins backdoor. PS I finally got that site open on sluggo's site, but somewhere there was picture of him and I need to know MORE about him. If he used variations of his name and the locations he may have lived in around 1979 and 1980. Rakestraw came up in something We are working on - not Rackstraw. But considering he was a con man - I need to know more about him...and the fact it is an unusual name. Anyone know any jumpers with these last names living in WA. in 1979 and 1980. Benny and Brent Ray, Bob Reynolds, Bernice Renenker, Bill Richardson, Bud Richey, Bob Roberts, B or Bobby Ross and Bob Rutledge. We have been chasing something for a while now...and these are some of the name that came up. Mostly common names - but if anyone knows about any of these coming up in regards to the Cooper investigation I need to know. For the most part the names are so common they mean nothing to me, but jumpers in the WA area might if there is someone who fits the name and what location they were in around 1979 and 1980. I just think this is a waste of time, but someone who is helping me thinks it is important. I need to find a jumper and/or pilot who lived in Wa around 1979 and 1980 and who probably lived in the area prior to that also. His or her initials will be BRR - it is crazy and it is a long shot. Maybe there was a suspect questioned with those initials.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #18245 September 5, 2010 Days of Wine and Roses - Andy Williams 1963. Do you know the location and date of the concert pictured on that album? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #18246 September 6, 2010 Considering how easily some 'research' can go down a rat hole with a smattering of unsourced information, how was the initial search conducted? No one observed Cooper jump - CHECK. Chase planes observed nothing - CHECK. Money and placard recovered - CHECK. Pressure bump reported north of Portland - CHECK. Absolutely no other information available - CHECK. This appears to be a prime collection of disjointed and weak information to base a search upon. Could it have been flawed from the start as with the Steve Fossett search? Or is it too large of a search area like the more contemporary mystery of a missing Beechcraft (N927JL, 21 Sept 2003) in Greer, Arizona? Even with the astronomically, unlikely, discovery of the money; there is a school of thought that the stuff was buried there as a diversion. It has become a diversion to be sure. If Cooper pranged it in the Columbia, the rig would still be recognizable and possibly snagged on something that has rested on the river bottom for the last hundred years and managed to avoid being swept out to sea. Of course the money, if not buried as a diversion, could have been part of that un-reported offering which Mucklow refused. Strange how the reports have such overlapping, if not aligned information, yet Mucklow being offered money by Cooper is largely unknown. Even with the Mucklow money story being verified, one must make the assumption that the money discovered in the river bank (ironic) as being the same pile offered to Mucklow and not any of the many other packs lashed or hidden on Cooper's person. Even after accepting the before mentioned as more than plausible there is the theory that the Mucklow money, that Cooper lost during the jump, managed to migrate, upstream in a singular unit. How many of these theories would be considered serious if any associated data was removed? Piles of rubber banded, paper going ten miles upstream or the same pile buried (buried that is) as a diversion ten miles downstream of 305's flight path? Typically when an experiment produces a surprise result, it is due to a flawed assumption. California outlawed changing your own car oil as a way to reduce pollution. Sounds so good. The first water quality reports after the ban indicated an increase in water pollution. Weird huh? The people who live on economic margins could least afford the extra $10 for an oil change, kept on doing the work, but instead of turning in the waste oil at the Napa store, they poured it down the storm drains. Result - banning DIY oil changes increases pollution. Live and learn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #18247 September 6, 2010 QuoteTypically when an experiment produces a surprise result, it is due to a flawed assumption. Cold fusion comes to mind. Man, for a few days it looked like we'd be awash in cheap non polluting energy, and then the nagging issues of adequate controls, accurate net energy measurements and "where is the helium?" reared their ugly heads. Whats really a hoot is the lingering fringe that doggedly pursues the flawed work of Pons and Fleischman claiming that cold fusion did and still does work and (of course) that a massive conspiracy is covering it up. What says "Mr Atomic" Sluggo about this cold fusion stuff? Remember all the "death woods" posts and Jerry's claim that Cooper didn't and Snowmman wouldnt survive a winter night in the predicted LZ? Snowmman raises a good point about the Corsair pilot who in December of 45 jumped in this area and walked out with no big problems. "Death woods? Not for him. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #18248 September 7, 2010 QuoteSorry...I wouldn't have cracked that joke about 'the ending' had I known you were involved in the project. I have no problem with that, whatever, Robert. I laughed too, in fact a very knowing laugh. The kind of laugh that keeps people up at night scribbling notes to one's self and others, for immediate reference the next day. I think I can say Tom laughs also, in the same way. Tom is free to correct me if I am wrong. So your comment however it was meant is perfectly appropriate, at least in my mind, and a real lesson in what to do better, next time. Thanks. G. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #18249 September 7, 2010 Quote Considering how easily some 'research' can go down a rat hole with a smattering of unsourced information, how was the initial search conducted? No one observed Cooper jump - CHECK. MAY HAVE TO UNCHECK ... Chase planes observed nothing - CHECK. UNCHECK ... Money and placard recovered - CHECK. There is no way to know if the several bundles offered to Tina wound up in the money found at Tina Bar, however the money found at T-Bar was far in excess of what Cooper offered to Tina. Pressure bump reported north of Portland - CHECK. MAYBE... Absolutely no other information available - CHECK. UNCHECK. All subject to my opinion, of courrse. G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #18250 September 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteTypically when an experiment produces a surprise result, it is due to a flawed assumption. Cold fusion comes to mind. Man, for a few days it looked like we'd be awash in cheap non polluting energy, and then the nagging issues of adequate controls, accurate net energy measurements and "where is the helium?" reared their ugly heads. Whats really a hoot is the lingering fringe that doggedly pursues the flawed work of Pons and Fleischman claiming that cold fusion did and still does work and (of course) that a massive conspiracy is covering it up. What says "Mr Atomic" Sluggo about this cold fusion stuff? Remember all the "death woods" posts and Jerry's claim that Cooper didn't and Snowmman wouldnt survive a winter night in the predicted LZ? Snowmman raises a good point about the Corsair pilot who in December of 45 jumped in this area and walked out with no big problems. "Death woods? Not for him. 377 Hmmm. Doesnt a death-woods require a woods? Had Cooper had his way he would have landed in the suburbs of Seattle maybe out near Tacoma? (In Emma's back yard!). A huge search of that area was conducted based soley on that premise. Cooper's plan went up in smoke, it appears, when Cooper could not get the stairs down soon enough, so his agenda changed and by approx 8:10 he's offering free money to Tina saying "I dont want it!", with emphasis on the word DONT!. He made Tina go forward so she wouldnt observe what he had to do next. Realty was creeping up on him and he knew the BS would stop at the door ... our socalled hero suddenly becomes mortal. He left a memento of his existence along with other evidence which was found when the plane landed at Reno. That is where the facts lead. Go back to the transcript and check the number of times Cooper had to revise (or come up with) a plan just to get to 8:12pm pst. 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377 22 #18236 August 31, 2010 I hope Watson knows something unique and non public that can solve the case, but I have my doubts. It wouldn't be the first time that a "nobody" (media wise) sees a chance to become a "somebody" by changing his story and goes for it. Fame and media attention, even if brief, is an irresistable lure for some people. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #18237 August 31, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Edge West is very proud to announce that ‘The Skyjacker That Got Away’ has been nominated for an Emmy at the 2010 News & Documentary Awards. The winners will be announced on Sep 27th. The film also won a 2010 Silver Telly Award and has gained a great following from everyone who has seen it. I saw that show, and it was very good. Too bad they couldn't figure out the ending... Thanks Robert, that is appreciated. Best of luck to you also. One important element was to try and establish a standard, in what has become a very difficult venue as you know. They were not the results we had hoped for but it was a start and all can be proud for that. I think Larry is to be congratulated. Tom and Allen likewise... It was a very difficult thing to do, took courage, and I believe will prove to have been worth the effort. G. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #18238 September 1, 2010 Mr. Blevins finally got wind of something going on in WA besides his History Channel documentary! Betcha! The Cooper Pot is sure sizzling right now - makes me think about that big old cast iron pot we used to cook the rinds in after we butchered the hogs. You know we made Lye Soap in that same pot. Today that would be unheard of...contamination. Why in the world would I think of slaugtering hogs and making pork rinds and lye soap in relation to the D.B. Cooper Saga? Has to be a REAL good Reason.Perhaps I was just making a joke, but then maybe not.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #18239 September 1, 2010 Quote Well, I've already said everything I'm allowed to say regarding the TV show and anything else about the Christiansen case would be redundant. Edited out for being brief and stating a point. As far as 'anything going on in Washington,' the only thing I'm aware of is the Ariel, WA DB Cooper celebration coming up on the weekend FOLLOWING Thanksgiving weekend. If you want to give me a hard time about the book or Cooper or Christiansen, drop by. I will be there with AB staff member Greg the Techie Guy. Mr. Blevins: You need to keep your eyes on the subject and on what is going on around you. For 2 wks you have been surrounded and you could not see thru the forest you created. In fact you must be deaf and blind (by choice) when you were not aware of a 727 and fim crews all over the Cooper areas. P.S. You are here trying to SELL your book and you might as well fess up to that. Your denial is silly - of course, that is why you are here! If it was for information you would have read back into all of multiple pages to obtain the information you claimed to be seeking. I am called delusional, so pay me no mind. No one listens to "crazy" people, but sometimes they are crazy like a fox...... and they get the last laugh, but sometime they don't.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #18240 September 1, 2010 Blevins stated: Quote I am not here to advertise, but to provide and exchange information. If I wanted to just advertise the book, I would post up on my Newsvine/MSNBC column, since it gets an average of 250,000 visitors a year. That said it all. Most of the information you sought you could have read in this thread and the last thread or you could have come into the forum using an avatar and name not associated with your book. Of course you came here to promote your book - no need to deny that! The thread kept you occupied while the cameras and crews ROLLED thru your area these past 2 wks. I for one have not minded your being here at all - and everyone has tried to be helpful even if they didn't agree with you, but that is what the DZ Folks are all about. They are informative and they know and love what they do. NOT providing links to the forum is self-serving. You don't want your readers to know about an alternative information source more factual and analytical than other Cooper trivia available. Your own statment contradicts your motive, but I just love it!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #18241 September 2, 2010 Blevins said: Quote When I said I didn't post up links, I meant links to the book at Amazon, not this forum. Jo says: The above response was in relation to the prior post he made below: Blevins stated: "I am not here to advertise, but to provide and exchange information. If I wanted to just advertise the book, I would post up on my Newsvine/MSNBC column, since it gets an average of 250,000 visitors a year. This is a parachute forum and probably less than fifty people are reading these posts. " "Doesn't mean it isn't a great site, though. Just means I'm not here to push the book. I don't make links to it, etc." +++++++++++++++++++++ Quote from Blevins: "When I said I didn't post up links, I meant links to the book at Amazon, not this forum." This is a very small dose of what I have with stood for 14 yrs to tell what I believe and know to be true. I have lived it and you have only been involved for what? 2 yrs? Go back and read this thread and the prior thread that got locked down. When you do you will understand why I have no sympathy for your exasperations and loss of income. There are several other sites going back as far as 2000 when I bought my 1st computer. Prior to that I can produce phone bills and other expenses that are several times a figure you quoted several post ago in monies spent. I spent more than that in phone bills alone in the first 4 yrs of my search prior to obtaining a computer and teaching myself how to use it. I am not a writer and I am not writing a book. What I am doing is personal and like the song he used to sing to me, as he did on our wedding night with a full band behind him "You'll Never Know If You Don't Know Now". Until that night I did NOT know he could sing, much less be in complete control of a group of musicians - I only recently learned how he obtained this knowledge...in Oregon. He had a stage presence everyone remembers. Like Mr. H told me recently "He wasn't all bad, he made something out of himself and did some good things in his life". Below a quote from the writings of Jo Weber aka Ms Cooper aka Skyjack71 "On that flight November 24, 1971 there was truely an Angel aboard and her name was Tina. At the age of 22 she was very brave - and let her belief in God guide her. In the wisdom God bestowed upon her during those moments she thought might be her last ones upon earth - she provided this skyjacker some guidelines by which he would live out his life. He vowed that if he survived - he would do something good with his life. This change did not happen over night - it was a slow process. He tried to live his life doing what she directed him to do with those guidelines." He died with a statue of Mary in his hands and he was NOT Catholic nor was the hospital...he refused to see the Hospital Chaplin, but did spend some time with an Army Chaplin who had a relative in the same hospital. Mr. Blevins - please note you have another error I have pointed out and you need to correct this. According to the records, Captain Scott did NOT go aft and if he did the man who wrote or provide the story for Ha Ha Ha by D.B. Cooper also knew this....I know that you and the author of HA HA HA are the only ones to ever state this. Maybe someone is having a HA HA HA moment with you and Porteous. Remember the crew is sick of being baggered and maybe they are doing their own TELL ALL. .Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #18242 September 2, 2010 Yes, I am asking for help. Does anyone remember the name of a suspect who was questioned and then released. The name was something like Rakestraw. I don't remember it and cannot find the reference we made to this individual in the forum. HELP! I am not good as searching the word thing for the forum - it searches all the threads...and that was to much.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo_Monster 0 #18243 September 2, 2010 Hey Jo! Psssssst... Go Here Wasn't it you who just accused Blevens of not reading? Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #18244 September 3, 2010 QuoteHey Jo! Psssssst... Go Here Wasn't it you who just accused Blevens of not reading? What-ever it is I can't open it. I was not even beenable to open anything in DZ except this thread. Something about a "fetchrow hashref" and I have no idea what that is or what to do. It costs me $125. for a guy to come out and fix these things. I went to settings, but don't have a clue what to do. I knew we had a picture and somethings on Rakestraw in this thread, but what I need to find out is if he ever spelled Rakestraw and not Rackstraw and where he was living in 1980. It is not that I am NOT reading, but I can't open the sites. One of the threads in History and Trivia has a list of jumpers and I have some names to compare against that list....but this is the only thread I can open. I know it is ODD - I am asking where this guy lived and if he was alive in 1980...but it is NOT like I am "writing" a book that is being published with "Obvious" mistakes. For Heaven's Sake, Sluggo this is what Orange always did. I corrected Blevins in a NICE way - because regardless of my opinions about his Suspect, the facts need to be correct - if you fictionalize the Facts then the complete book becomes Fiction. You will note that I only point out the obvious to him. If he was unaware of what has been going on in WA the last couple of Weeks then he has his head in a bucket or something. I live clear across the country and yet I knew what was happening on Blevins backdoor. PS I finally got that site open on sluggo's site, but somewhere there was picture of him and I need to know MORE about him. If he used variations of his name and the locations he may have lived in around 1979 and 1980. Rakestraw came up in something We are working on - not Rackstraw. But considering he was a con man - I need to know more about him...and the fact it is an unusual name. Anyone know any jumpers with these last names living in WA. in 1979 and 1980. Benny and Brent Ray, Bob Reynolds, Bernice Renenker, Bill Richardson, Bud Richey, Bob Roberts, B or Bobby Ross and Bob Rutledge. We have been chasing something for a while now...and these are some of the name that came up. Mostly common names - but if anyone knows about any of these coming up in regards to the Cooper investigation I need to know. For the most part the names are so common they mean nothing to me, but jumpers in the WA area might if there is someone who fits the name and what location they were in around 1979 and 1980. I just think this is a waste of time, but someone who is helping me thinks it is important. I need to find a jumper and/or pilot who lived in Wa around 1979 and 1980 and who probably lived in the area prior to that also. His or her initials will be BRR - it is crazy and it is a long shot. Maybe there was a suspect questioned with those initials.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #18245 September 5, 2010 Days of Wine and Roses - Andy Williams 1963. Do you know the location and date of the concert pictured on that album? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #18246 September 6, 2010 Considering how easily some 'research' can go down a rat hole with a smattering of unsourced information, how was the initial search conducted? No one observed Cooper jump - CHECK. Chase planes observed nothing - CHECK. Money and placard recovered - CHECK. Pressure bump reported north of Portland - CHECK. Absolutely no other information available - CHECK. This appears to be a prime collection of disjointed and weak information to base a search upon. Could it have been flawed from the start as with the Steve Fossett search? Or is it too large of a search area like the more contemporary mystery of a missing Beechcraft (N927JL, 21 Sept 2003) in Greer, Arizona? Even with the astronomically, unlikely, discovery of the money; there is a school of thought that the stuff was buried there as a diversion. It has become a diversion to be sure. If Cooper pranged it in the Columbia, the rig would still be recognizable and possibly snagged on something that has rested on the river bottom for the last hundred years and managed to avoid being swept out to sea. Of course the money, if not buried as a diversion, could have been part of that un-reported offering which Mucklow refused. Strange how the reports have such overlapping, if not aligned information, yet Mucklow being offered money by Cooper is largely unknown. Even with the Mucklow money story being verified, one must make the assumption that the money discovered in the river bank (ironic) as being the same pile offered to Mucklow and not any of the many other packs lashed or hidden on Cooper's person. Even after accepting the before mentioned as more than plausible there is the theory that the Mucklow money, that Cooper lost during the jump, managed to migrate, upstream in a singular unit. How many of these theories would be considered serious if any associated data was removed? Piles of rubber banded, paper going ten miles upstream or the same pile buried (buried that is) as a diversion ten miles downstream of 305's flight path? Typically when an experiment produces a surprise result, it is due to a flawed assumption. California outlawed changing your own car oil as a way to reduce pollution. Sounds so good. The first water quality reports after the ban indicated an increase in water pollution. Weird huh? The people who live on economic margins could least afford the extra $10 for an oil change, kept on doing the work, but instead of turning in the waste oil at the Napa store, they poured it down the storm drains. Result - banning DIY oil changes increases pollution. Live and learn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #18247 September 6, 2010 QuoteTypically when an experiment produces a surprise result, it is due to a flawed assumption. Cold fusion comes to mind. Man, for a few days it looked like we'd be awash in cheap non polluting energy, and then the nagging issues of adequate controls, accurate net energy measurements and "where is the helium?" reared their ugly heads. Whats really a hoot is the lingering fringe that doggedly pursues the flawed work of Pons and Fleischman claiming that cold fusion did and still does work and (of course) that a massive conspiracy is covering it up. What says "Mr Atomic" Sluggo about this cold fusion stuff? Remember all the "death woods" posts and Jerry's claim that Cooper didn't and Snowmman wouldnt survive a winter night in the predicted LZ? Snowmman raises a good point about the Corsair pilot who in December of 45 jumped in this area and walked out with no big problems. "Death woods? Not for him. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #18248 September 7, 2010 QuoteSorry...I wouldn't have cracked that joke about 'the ending' had I known you were involved in the project. I have no problem with that, whatever, Robert. I laughed too, in fact a very knowing laugh. The kind of laugh that keeps people up at night scribbling notes to one's self and others, for immediate reference the next day. I think I can say Tom laughs also, in the same way. Tom is free to correct me if I am wrong. So your comment however it was meant is perfectly appropriate, at least in my mind, and a real lesson in what to do better, next time. Thanks. G. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #18249 September 7, 2010 Quote Considering how easily some 'research' can go down a rat hole with a smattering of unsourced information, how was the initial search conducted? No one observed Cooper jump - CHECK. MAY HAVE TO UNCHECK ... Chase planes observed nothing - CHECK. UNCHECK ... Money and placard recovered - CHECK. There is no way to know if the several bundles offered to Tina wound up in the money found at Tina Bar, however the money found at T-Bar was far in excess of what Cooper offered to Tina. Pressure bump reported north of Portland - CHECK. MAYBE... Absolutely no other information available - CHECK. UNCHECK. All subject to my opinion, of courrse. G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #18250 September 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteTypically when an experiment produces a surprise result, it is due to a flawed assumption. Cold fusion comes to mind. Man, for a few days it looked like we'd be awash in cheap non polluting energy, and then the nagging issues of adequate controls, accurate net energy measurements and "where is the helium?" reared their ugly heads. Whats really a hoot is the lingering fringe that doggedly pursues the flawed work of Pons and Fleischman claiming that cold fusion did and still does work and (of course) that a massive conspiracy is covering it up. What says "Mr Atomic" Sluggo about this cold fusion stuff? Remember all the "death woods" posts and Jerry's claim that Cooper didn't and Snowmman wouldnt survive a winter night in the predicted LZ? Snowmman raises a good point about the Corsair pilot who in December of 45 jumped in this area and walked out with no big problems. "Death woods? Not for him. 377 Hmmm. Doesnt a death-woods require a woods? Had Cooper had his way he would have landed in the suburbs of Seattle maybe out near Tacoma? (In Emma's back yard!). A huge search of that area was conducted based soley on that premise. Cooper's plan went up in smoke, it appears, when Cooper could not get the stairs down soon enough, so his agenda changed and by approx 8:10 he's offering free money to Tina saying "I dont want it!", with emphasis on the word DONT!. He made Tina go forward so she wouldnt observe what he had to do next. Realty was creeping up on him and he knew the BS would stop at the door ... our socalled hero suddenly becomes mortal. He left a memento of his existence along with other evidence which was found when the plane landed at Reno. That is where the facts lead. Go back to the transcript and check the number of times Cooper had to revise (or come up with) a plan just to get to 8:12pm pst. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
