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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJo, If Duane's brother was an advisor to Boeing, what was his area of expertise?
Robert
He was an engineer and the schematics to the Boeings where ALL over the place prior to the Boeing 727 being produced. I have no idea what his involvement was or why he had the schematics to the Boeings.
He did act for 6 yrs as a consultant for Boeing to the Army. This he told and wrote to me...but, I am under the impression this was in the 50's and before the Boeing 727 was actually produced. The 727 would have been on the drawing board - prior to the actual production.
Jo, To the best of my knowledge, the only Boeing aircraft that the Army had an interest in were the helicopters produced by Boeing Vertol in the Philadelphia, PA area. Helicopters and 727s are from entirely different worlds.
Robert
Wrong! Didn't I use the word schematics? Do you really believe the Army and Airforce were NOT interested in the development of these planes.
Remember the aft stairwell had multiple uses...think! When Boeing designed the 727 - it was conceived with multiple uses...but, became idea to use getting into smaller airports, but with a pay load. Think about the origin of the design and why the military would be interested...
Jo, Come in out of the cold and warm yourself a bit. The Boeing 727 was designed to transport passengers and cargo at intermediate distances where it would not be economical to use the Boeing 707. Translated from the Greek, this means that it was an economic decision that led to the 727. Boeing does not make money designing airplanes, but it does makes money building and selling those airplanes. Boeing essentially bet the entire company on the designing and success of the original Boeing 707.
The total 727 market for the Army and USAF probably did not exceed 10 airplanes. And the USAF would probably bomb Fort Lewis before consenting to the Army having a 727. The 727 market for Other Government Organizations probably did not exceed 5 airplanes.
But thank God for the world's airlines because they bought about 1500+ 727s. While Boeing may have modified some 727s for various organizations, it was the airlines (and us the passengers) that made the 727 an economic success.
Would you please define what you mean by the word "schematics"? The manner in which you use that word seems to imply that you have a new definition for it.
Robert
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If Cooper knew the stairs could be lowered in flight, he would not have made an issue out of them being lowered before takeoff. This behavior has the earmarks of a person who is not sure about their operation.
No one following the Cooper hijacking asked for the stairs to be lowered for takeoff so the process was digested by the next candidates. Cooper could have been killed in the attempt, but that did not stop LaPoint from trying less than two months later.
LaPoint did not know if the DC-9 stairs were similar to the 727’s, he probably observed the planes with similar hardware and lucked out.
Why is Cooper endowed with such connections and knowledge while LaPoint, McNally and McCoy are relegated to planning their operations from a garage or on a kitchen table?
No one following the Cooper hijacking asked for the stairs to be lowered for takeoff so the process was digested by the next candidates. Cooper could have been killed in the attempt, but that did not stop LaPoint from trying less than two months later.
LaPoint did not know if the DC-9 stairs were similar to the 727’s, he probably observed the planes with similar hardware and lucked out.
Why is Cooper endowed with such connections and knowledge while LaPoint, McNally and McCoy are relegated to planning their operations from a garage or on a kitchen table?
Question:
Did Thomas K. Worcester write NORJAK: The Investigation of D. B. Cooper or did Ralph P. Himmelsbach?
If your answer is Worcester... good for you.
If your answer Himmelsbach... then you win two (bonus) questions.
Bonus Questions:
#1 What other books, novellas, short-stories, and magazine articles has Worcester written?
#2 What other books, novellas, short-stories, and magazine articles has Himmelsbach written?
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Some things to ponder:
Thomas K. Worcester:
Thomas K. Worcester received his B.A. in journalism and his M.A. in Educational Administration from the University of Colorado. He served as a journalism instructor and Director of Public Relations at Pueblo College (Pueblo, Colo.), from 1954 to 1957. From 1957-59, he was Director of Public Information at The Colorado College. And from 1959 to 1970, he was the Public Information Officer, Alumni Editor and Director of Information Services at Reed College in Portland, Oregon.
Since 1970, Thomas K. Worcester has worked as a freelance writer and editor. He is the editor of Mel Hansen's Indian Heaven, Back Country (Touchstone Press, 1977), Don and Roberta Lowe's Thirty-Three Hiking Trails: Southern Washington Cascades (Touchstone Press, 1985), and two books by Oral Bullard, Konapee's Eden Historic and Scenic Handbook (Touchstone Press, 1985) and Lancaster's Road (1982).
Thomas K. Worcester also wrote or co-wrote Washington D.C. (Graphic Arts Center), A Portrait of Oregon (OMSI Press), A Portrait of Colorado (OMSI Press), NORJAK: The Investigation of D.B. Cooper (NORJAK Project), Bunco Kelly and Other Yarns of Portland and NW Oregon (Touchstone Press, 1983) and The State of Jefferson and Other Yarns (1982).
Worcester has written numerous articles for regional and national magazines. He wrote more than 640 radio scripts during an 8-year period for Pacific Power & Light's "Stories of Pacific Powerland" series. In addition to his membership in WWA, he is a member of The Authors Guild, The National Writers Club, and the Northwest Association of Book Publishers.
Ralph P. Himmelsbach:
Other than NORJAK: The Investigation of D. B. Cooper, Himmelsbach has written no other books, poems, magazine articles, short-stories, or essays. He has written some FBI Reports about counterfeiting activities, but those aren't public or for profit.
And for all you conspiracy theorist out there; Ralph's father (Jesse R Himmelsbach) was born in Minnesota circa 1893, the home of NWA and Rataczak. {Oh my!}
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Now... let me ask again... Who wrote NORJAK: The Investigation of D. B. Cooper?
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Did Thomas K. Worcester write NORJAK: The Investigation of D. B. Cooper or did Ralph P. Himmelsbach?
If your answer is Worcester... good for you.
If your answer Himmelsbach... then you win two (bonus) questions.
Bonus Questions:
#1 What other books, novellas, short-stories, and magazine articles has Worcester written?
#2 What other books, novellas, short-stories, and magazine articles has Himmelsbach written?
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Some things to ponder:
Thomas K. Worcester:
Thomas K. Worcester received his B.A. in journalism and his M.A. in Educational Administration from the University of Colorado. He served as a journalism instructor and Director of Public Relations at Pueblo College (Pueblo, Colo.), from 1954 to 1957. From 1957-59, he was Director of Public Information at The Colorado College. And from 1959 to 1970, he was the Public Information Officer, Alumni Editor and Director of Information Services at Reed College in Portland, Oregon.
Since 1970, Thomas K. Worcester has worked as a freelance writer and editor. He is the editor of Mel Hansen's Indian Heaven, Back Country (Touchstone Press, 1977), Don and Roberta Lowe's Thirty-Three Hiking Trails: Southern Washington Cascades (Touchstone Press, 1985), and two books by Oral Bullard, Konapee's Eden Historic and Scenic Handbook (Touchstone Press, 1985) and Lancaster's Road (1982).
Thomas K. Worcester also wrote or co-wrote Washington D.C. (Graphic Arts Center), A Portrait of Oregon (OMSI Press), A Portrait of Colorado (OMSI Press), NORJAK: The Investigation of D.B. Cooper (NORJAK Project), Bunco Kelly and Other Yarns of Portland and NW Oregon (Touchstone Press, 1983) and The State of Jefferson and Other Yarns (1982).
Worcester has written numerous articles for regional and national magazines. He wrote more than 640 radio scripts during an 8-year period for Pacific Power & Light's "Stories of Pacific Powerland" series. In addition to his membership in WWA, he is a member of The Authors Guild, The National Writers Club, and the Northwest Association of Book Publishers.
Ralph P. Himmelsbach:
Other than NORJAK: The Investigation of D. B. Cooper, Himmelsbach has written no other books, poems, magazine articles, short-stories, or essays. He has written some FBI Reports about counterfeiting activities, but those aren't public or for profit.
And for all you conspiracy theorist out there; Ralph's father (Jesse R Himmelsbach) was born in Minnesota circa 1893, the home of NWA and Rataczak. {Oh my!}
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Now... let me ask again... Who wrote NORJAK: The Investigation of D. B. Cooper?
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QuoteQuestion:
Did Thomas K. Worcester write NORJAK: The Investigation of D. B. Cooper or did Ralph P. Himmelsbach?
If your answer is Worcester... good for you.
If your answer Himmelsbach... then you win two (bonus) questions.
Bonus Questions:
#1 What other books, novellas, short-stories, and magazine articles has Worcester written?
#2 What other books, novellas, short-stories, and magazine articles has Himmelsbach written?
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Some things to ponder:
Thomas K. Worcester:
Thomas K. Worcester received his B.A. in journalism and his M.A. in Educational Administration from the University of Colorado. He served as a journalism instructor and Director of Public Relations at Pueblo College (Pueblo, Colo.), from 1954 to 1957. From 1957-59, he was Director of Public Information at The Colorado College. And from 1959 to 1970, he was the Public Information Officer, Alumni Editor and Director of Information Services at Reed College in Portland, Oregon.
Since 1970, Thomas K. Worcester has worked as a freelance writer and editor. He is the editor of Mel Hansen's Indian Heaven, Back Country (Touchstone Press, 1977), Don and Roberta Lowe's Thirty-Three Hiking Trails: Southern Washington Cascades (Touchstone Press, 1985), and two books by Oral Bullard, Konapee's Eden Historic and Scenic Handbook (Touchstone Press, 1985) and Lancaster's Road (1982).
Thomas K. Worcester also wrote or co-wrote Washington D.C. (Graphic Arts Center), A Portrait of Oregon (OMSI Press), A Portrait of Colorado (OMSI Press), NORJAK: The Investigation of D.B. Cooper (NORJAK Project), Bunco Kelly and Other Yarns of Portland and NW Oregon (Touchstone Press, 1983) and The State of Jefferson and Other Yarns (1982).
Worcester has written numerous articles for regional and national magazines. He wrote more than 640 radio scripts during an 8-year period for Pacific Power & Light's "Stories of Pacific Powerland" series. In addition to his membership in WWA, he is a member of The Authors Guild, The National Writers Club, and the Northwest Association of Book Publishers.
Ralph P. Himmelsbach:
Other than NORJAK: The Investigation of D. B. Cooper, Himmelsbach has written no other books, poems, magazine articles, short-stories, or essays. He has written some FBI Reports about counterfeiting activities, but those aren't public or for profit.
And for all you conspiracy theorist out there; Ralph's father (Jesse R Himmelsbach) was born in Minnesota circa 1893, the home of NWA and Rataczak. {Oh my!}
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Now... let me ask again... Who wrote NORJAK: The Investigation of D. B. Cooper?
Sluggo, Perhaps the most telling evidence of authorship is the following. I bought a used copy of the book on the Internet and it came with Thomas K. Worcester's autograph on the title page. Nothing from Himmelsbach even though he is listed as the senior author.
Robert
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QuoteIf Cooper knew the stairs could be lowered in flight, he would not have made an issue out of them being lowered before takeoff. This behavior has the earmarks of a person who is not sure about their operation.
No one following the Cooper hijacking asked for the stairs to be lowered for takeoff so the process was digested by the next candidates. Cooper could have been killed in the attempt, but that did not stop LaPoint from trying less than two months later.
LaPoint did not know if the DC-9 stairs were similar to the 727’s, he probably observed the planes with similar hardware and lucked out.
Why is Cooper endowed with such connections and knowledge while LaPoint, McNally and McCoy are relegated to planning their operations from a garage or on a kitchen table?
As pointed out previously, Cooper told Tina immediately after agreeing to take off with the stairs up that he knew the airplane could take off with them down. It was the NWA flight crew that didn't have any experience or knowledge about taking off with the stairs down as well as having the stairs down in flight.
While still on the ground in Seattle, the NWA flight crew stated that Cooper seemed to have a lot of information on the 727.
Where are LaPoint, McNally, and McCoy today? Where is Cooper today? I'll bet only the second question does not have a definitive answer. Another question. The first three fellows have two capital letters in their names while Cooper only has one. Is that significant?
Robert
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QuoteIf Cooper knew the stairs could be lowered in flight, he would not have made an issue out of them being lowered before takeoff. This behavior has the earmarks of a person who is not sure about their operation.
I think he knew a 727 could be jumped but was uncertain about whether a stock 727 airliner ventral airstair could be deployed in flight. That Air America plane appeared to have been modified to facilitate cargo dropping. To play it safe he asked that the door remain open on takeoff.
Cooper wasn't an aviation dunce. He knew about specifying flap angles, gear down etc to keep his exit speed manageable. He allegedly put on the rig as if it was a familar operation. I think he'd been around aviation in some capacity. Ckret thought so too. I wish we knew if he really referred to the intercom as an interphone. That would a dead giveaway to some connection with military aviation.
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Robert99 reflects:
“Another question. The first three fellows have two capital letters in their names while Cooper only has one. Is that significant?”
Keep in mind the other three fellows have their real names associated with their crimes. One of them used the alias Shane and the other Johnson. I can’t find the third alias.
Does having two capital letters in their names hold any significance?
You decide.
“Another question. The first three fellows have two capital letters in their names while Cooper only has one. Is that significant?”
Keep in mind the other three fellows have their real names associated with their crimes. One of them used the alias Shane and the other Johnson. I can’t find the third alias.
Does having two capital letters in their names hold any significance?
You decide.
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I guess I’m struggling with the definition of dunce. McNally jumped successfully and most certainly held very little knowledge.
The ‘gear down’ is pure Hollywood and not practiced in the military. Was the gear down on the DC-9 you jumped? Why not?
The plane is quite capable of low speeds without dropping the gear. It is more of a strange request to me.
The ‘gear down’ is pure Hollywood and not practiced in the military. Was the gear down on the DC-9 you jumped? Why not?
The plane is quite capable of low speeds without dropping the gear. It is more of a strange request to me.
Every article or book that I have ever seen stating that DB used the word "Interphone" was so full of other obviousll inaccurate statements, I cannot give credence to it.
I wish it was "provable" that he did say; "Interphone," then the military connection would be solid.
If I say; "intercom" and you are military, when you make a witness statement you might say; "interphone" not realizing you have changed the words. You know you have conveyed the meaning, so it might not be all that important. But 40 years later, geeks (like us) will pick it apart six ways to Sunday.
The same is true about; "Flaps to 15-degrees". Did he say; "flaps down" , and Rataczak set the flaps to 15-degrees. Then stated that as a witness? I just don't know!
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I wish it was "provable" that he did say; "Interphone," then the military connection would be solid.
If I say; "intercom" and you are military, when you make a witness statement you might say; "interphone" not realizing you have changed the words. You know you have conveyed the meaning, so it might not be all that important. But 40 years later, geeks (like us) will pick it apart six ways to Sunday.
The same is true about; "Flaps to 15-degrees". Did he say; "flaps down" , and Rataczak set the flaps to 15-degrees. Then stated that as a witness? I just don't know!
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I still insist that the gear down command was to limit range (on fuel) and assure V-23 as the route SE.
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Robert - someone has
mis-used the reply thing
and now the whole thing
is out of sink. Robert,
I think you did this
when you quoted me
note the reply, reply, reply in one of the post - if you
don't do this properly the
thread goes wide. Go edit
the post - just remove the
Replys and say Jo stated or you stated and see if that
doesn't get us out of this
forever lines we can't read.
mis-used the reply thing
and now the whole thing
is out of sink. Robert,
I think you did this
when you quoted me
note the reply, reply, reply in one of the post - if you
don't do this properly the
thread goes wide. Go edit
the post - just remove the
Replys and say Jo stated or you stated and see if that
doesn't get us out of this
forever lines we can't read.
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QuoteBoeing had run tests dropping the airstairs while in flight.
They even had a procedure on what to do if they came open during flight:
They could not have developed this procedure without a test.
AFT AIRSTAIRS - INDICATOR LIGHT ON
* Use normal procedures
* use maximum landing flap
If the airstairs are accessible
Airstairs Check by Flight Engineer
If aft airstairs are NOT up, upon reaching traffic pattern altitude
accomplish the depressurization procedure
and then attempt to close the aft airstairs.
Depressurization Procedure
No Smoking & Fasten Seat Belt Switches On F/E
Decent 14,000 ft or MEA (as required) Initiate C
Oxygen Masks & Regulators (as required)
On, 100% All
Crew Communications (as required) Establish All
Cabin Altitude Selector 10,000 Ft F/E
Cabin Altitude Rate Control INCR F/E
Cabin Altitude MEA F/E
Passenger Oxygen Switch (if required) On
Robert, Earlier today in message #19344, 377 states that Boeing did conduct and document flight tests related to the stairs being down. He also states that this information was not placed in ANY airline flight manuals.
Consequently, the NWA flight crew did not have this information in their manuals. However, they did get some information and assurances from Boeing personnel by radio that the aircraft could be flown with the stairs down. The NWA flight crew never saw the check list given above, at least until after the flight.
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Sluggo, et. al.,
When you guys use long, unbroken, strings of characters as separators, it can screw up the formatting of the web site if you make them too long.
Please refrain from doing that and keep them reasonably short.
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QuoteQuoteIt is my understanding that in 1971 only the 727 could lower it rear stairs in flight. Cooper may not have known that this was true only for the 727 but he definitely knew that the 727 could do it. After he purchased his ticket, Cooper double checked with the ticket agent that a 727 was actually making that flight that day (i.e., no substitute aircraft). So Cooper was specifically looking for a 727.
The 727 was known to be jumpable, by a limited number of people, in 1971 and Cooper was one of them.
As I have stated before - none of you know Duane's past and none of you knew his connections. His brother was an advisor for Boeing - but this went completely ignored. Also ignored the 2 jets purchased by JMWAVE...and what about the clip Snowmman found regarding jumps from a 727 in 1969 (Was this just "created" for show)?
You bet your bottom - Cooper was well aware of the 727. So were several people who served in Viet Nam and those who designed and built the plane.
Who is B Gaige
Who is Bafus
Who is Sovota
Who is Sanderson
Who is Hansen
Who is Finley
Who is Sinclair
Who is Garner
Who is Reed
Who is Ochs
Who is Tobey
Who is Merritt
Who is Bakker
The CCC's ended in 1942 with all closed or took over by the end of 1943.
Who built a log cabin on the Washougal - that Jerry Thomas claimed didn't exist in 1979.
Why has not all been told about the skyjacking? Who told who what they could and could not say?
Sound like a riddle? NO, they are all part of the solution.
The eyewitness accounts put that plane N and West of Heisson. The maps are being dotted with the accounts. Does this support Blevins story?
The surface has only been scratched. Who built the Hataway in Cames just around the corner from the Old Washougal Memorial Cemetery.
Is there anyone so naive they thought they could bury Cooper forever and ever?
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Just using some horse sense here, but those procedures appear to be relatively generic.
There is a checklist for engine fire, does anyone think Boeing takes their aircraft up and starts an engine fire to develop the EPs? Ditching? Lightning strikes?
Perhaps they did in fact open the stairs in flight, I simply do not know, but just because Emergency Procedures exist is not an indicator of a live test.
Be it a cargo door, over wing hatch or aft stairs, the procedures to remedy them would be nearly the same. The check is a little anachronistic as well. The decompression check is run AFTER entering pattern altitude. How exactly could the Flight Engineer close the aft stairs when he would have to open the pressure door to gain access to them?
Again, I’m not saying there were no live tests, just not seeing any from the existence of the checklist.
There is a checklist for engine fire, does anyone think Boeing takes their aircraft up and starts an engine fire to develop the EPs? Ditching? Lightning strikes?
Perhaps they did in fact open the stairs in flight, I simply do not know, but just because Emergency Procedures exist is not an indicator of a live test.
Be it a cargo door, over wing hatch or aft stairs, the procedures to remedy them would be nearly the same. The check is a little anachronistic as well. The decompression check is run AFTER entering pattern altitude. How exactly could the Flight Engineer close the aft stairs when he would have to open the pressure door to gain access to them?
Again, I’m not saying there were no live tests, just not seeing any from the existence of the checklist.
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QuoteIf Cooper knew the stairs could be lowered in flight, he would not have made an issue out of them being lowered before takeoff. This behavior has the earmarks of a person who is not sure about their operation.
No one following the Cooper hijacking asked for the stairs to be lowered for takeoff so the process was digested by the next candidates. Cooper could have been killed in the attempt, but that did not stop LaPoint from trying less than two months later.
LaPoint did not know if the DC-9 stairs were similar to the 727’s, he probably observed the planes with similar hardware and lucked out.
Why is Cooper endowed with such connections and knowledge while LaPoint, McNally and McCoy are relegated to planning their operations from a garage or on a kitchen table?
Why? Because the media has made Cooper a
hero, as opposed to all others who are just
simple criminals and not too bright, by consensus.
You bring up the learning curve. Undoubtedly
Cooper was the benefactor of a learning curve -
we just dont see it. His migration pattern to 11-24
is not defined (yet).
All of which brings up 'clusters' or the clustering
of certain kinds of crimes within a given time
period. Cooper stands alone? But maybe not.
Jo Stated:
Aren't you mixing the "subjects" up some what.
Duane helped build the cabin on the Washougal (Thomas claimed did not exist).
Duane had a brother who was an advisor to the Army for Boeing for a period of 6 yrs.
Jerry Replied:
Thomas is very mixed up and has motives.
How about you !?
My ANSWER:
No I am not mixed up, but you might be. As for motives - the only motive I have ever had is to find out if Duane was indeed Dan Cooper. My own personal research has led me to believe he was because over the yrs he only lied to me by Omission - so why would he lie about this?
Because he was a loyal person to his friends and to those he could trust - he may have lied to protect someone, but in our 17 yr marriage he had only lied by Omission. That in its self was a talent - perhaps a learned talent.
His resume was a fabrication, but with a record like his - you had to invent a past. Right? Or else who would hire you? I did NOT see the resume until after his death - therefore he didn't lie to me about it.
White lies - we all tell white lies to protect others and to keep others from thinking ill of us when we flake out on something such as why we were late to work - who wants to admit they stayed out late and over slept?
Georger I have had NO motives in this other than to learn the truth about a man I spent 17 yrs of my life with and a man who told me before he died that he was Dan Cooper. This meant learning WHY he was so familiar with the area -and then why the journey he took me on pararelled the very crime he confessed to. I have spent 14 yrs seeking an explanation of his knowledge of the WA and OR areas as he did....I found them.
Does this prove he was Cooper? The answer is NO unless someone else can provide other information that will fill in the spaces. Remember what he said in WA. "That is where D. B. Cooper walked out of the Woods." My reply was "How would you know" and then he retorted "Maybe I was the one on the ground".
I took all of this as a joke in 1979...and at that time I did have some knowledge of D.B.Cooper, but I did not dwelled on it. Only in my telling a potential suitor in 1996 what my husband said in the Hospital on a Windy and Rainy March day in 1995 would I learn D.B. Cooper was DAN COOPER.
Regardless of how anyone regards me - anyone who knows me - knows I gave this all I had.
I have spent the golden yrs of my life seeking the truth and I will leave this earth knowing I did just that. Was he actually Dan Cooper or the man on the ground? The only question left and no one is talking.
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QuoteI still insist that the gear down command was to limit range (on fuel) and assure V-23 as the route SE.
How would it assure V23?
georger 247
QuoteBoeing had run tests dropping the airstairs while in flight.
They even had a procedure on what to do if they came open during flight:
They could not have developed this procedure without a test.
AFT AIRSTAIRS - INDICATOR LIGHT ON
* Use normal procedures
* use maximum landing flap
If the airstairs are accessible
Airstairs Check by Flight Engineer
If aft airstairs are NOT up, upon reaching traffic pattern altitude
accomplish the depressurization procedure
and then attempt to close the aft airstairs.
Depressurization Procedure
No Smoking & Fasten Seat Belt Switches On F/E
Decent 14,000 ft or MEA (as required) Initiate C
Oxygen Masks & Regulators (as required)
On, 100% All
Crew Communications (as required) Establish All
Cabin Altitude Selector 10,000 Ft F/E
Cabin Altitude Rate Control INCR F/E
Cabin Altitude MEA F/E
Passenger Oxygen Switch (if required) On
source?
What you say makes sense but it sounds like
you found some document or something with a
date that certifies this. ???
georger 247
The airstairs thing was done in testing. .
PROVE IT!
WHAT IS YOUR PROOF?
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QuoteThe plane is quite capable of low speeds without dropping the gear. It is more of a strange request to me.
While the plane may be capable of LOW speeds without lowering the gear, the aircraft is not capable of HIGH speeds with them lowered. It does serve a purpose as it helps limit how fast the plane can be flown. It also, to a certain extent, makes the aircraft more stable, but I doubt that was the concern of Cooper.
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377 wrote:
I think that shows aviation knowledge and clear thinking. Both gear and flaps have upper speed limitations in their deployed positions. That config also limits range.
Vengeful pilots could sabotage Cooper by giving him a 400 knot exit speed, but not with 15 degrees of flaps and gear down. They could make him hypoxic and eventually unconscious by flying higher, but they didn't know if he had an altimeter. They could fly out over the ocean dooming him to a cold death if he jumped, but he could see some lights from the ground and might notice if they headed over the ocean.
Also the cockpit crew had to assume the bomb was real which made it risky to try to trick Cooper or threaten him.
Cooper, with a few commands, made a successful exit and chute deployment likely. He'd be low enough and slow enough to pull it off.
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QuoteCooper wasn't an aviation dunce. He knew about specifying flap angles, gear down etc to keep his exit speed manageable.
I think that shows aviation knowledge and clear thinking. Both gear and flaps have upper speed limitations in their deployed positions. That config also limits range.
Vengeful pilots could sabotage Cooper by giving him a 400 knot exit speed, but not with 15 degrees of flaps and gear down. They could make him hypoxic and eventually unconscious by flying higher, but they didn't know if he had an altimeter. They could fly out over the ocean dooming him to a cold death if he jumped, but he could see some lights from the ground and might notice if they headed over the ocean.
Also the cockpit crew had to assume the bomb was real which made it risky to try to trick Cooper or threaten him.
Cooper, with a few commands, made a successful exit and chute deployment likely. He'd be low enough and slow enough to pull it off.
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georger 247
Vengeful pilots could sabotage Cooper by giving him a 400 knot exit speed, but not with 15 degrees of flaps and gear down. They could make him hypoxic and eventually unconscious by flying higher.........
any funny stuff and I'll do the job.
Trumps any and all - "aviation knowledge.
Nope. All Cooper did was sit in an airport and watch.
Probably asked somebody: 'what plane is that?'
There you go -
Everything begins in childhood Jo. Even you!
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