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Georger,
Before you idealize chicken society consider from where the term pecking order arose.
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Before you idealize chicken society consider from where the term pecking order arose.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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QuoteWouldn't do any good. Tina suffered some psych problems related to the hijacking. I have this from a solid source.
Just how solid is your source Robert? I've heard rumors that Tina turned out just fine. You make her sound disabled. Are you sure that is accurate information?
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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QuoteIt is great to see you so energized Jo. As usual you provide excited adjectives and predictions of confidential blockbuster events about to happen, but reveal few, if any, relevant facts. It's just the way you are. I don't think it's always a conscious manipulative tease.
Your message below puzzles me.
"..if anyone of you had a child who was convicted of a crime you knew he did not comment(sic) and sentenced to die for the crime - would you not fight for him to the very end and even after his termination?"
Sure, we'd all fight for an inoocent condemned or executed person, especially a family member, but you are fighting to convict someone who went to his grave untarnished with even an accusation that he had committed a violent felony hijacking. Odd juxtaposition. Do you see the two tasks as morally equivalent?
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377 get with the program man
The crime he did not commit is NOT related to DB Cooper but is another famous crime for which someone was executed. I am not sure which one although as it is a week past 5th November maybe it was Guy Fawkes. So my hypothesis is that Duane was Guy Fawkes father and THAT is why he hijacked the plane - this explains the grudge of course.
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.
georger 244
QuoteWell one thing you can say about Duane is that he got around. Here he is in St. Petersburg, Fl in 1957. Haven't seen this pic before (above article). Interesting article too.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=h9ENAAAAIBAJ&sjid=OXYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4453%2C5772131
Smokey, here's your article. I was able to bring
out a little more detail in the photos... hope
this meets with your approval. Regards -
G.
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QuoteQuoteWouldn't do any good. Tina suffered some psych problems related to the hijacking. I have this from a solid source.
Just how solid is your source Robert? I've heard rumors that Tina turned out just fine. You make her sound disabled. Are you sure that is accurate information?
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There was a guy who posted here for a while - I cna't remember his "name" but I think he was the one who passed away - possibly either dbcoopercatcher or his partner. I seem to recall he got extremely agitated at one point about the effect that Cooper had had on the stews - talking about nightmares and other pysch problems (in fact, from his reaction I thought he might be a family member but it appears he wasn't.) So this isn't a first, and from what the guy had written (not sure if I have the energy to search) it sounded very much like he knew what he was talking about. Pity he like others got hounded out of here by A Certain Someone; because there certainly are enough other suspects at least as viable as someone who listed his occupation as "crook" and (rather hopefully?) stayed at "Treasure Island".
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
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QuoteQuoteWell one thing you can say about Duane is that he got around. Here he is in St. Petersburg, Fl in 1957. Haven't seen this pic before (above article). Interesting article too.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=h9ENAAAAIBAJ&sjid=OXYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4453%2C5772131
Smokey, here's your article. I was able to bring
out a little more detail in the photos... hope
this meets with your approval. Regards -
G.
So Georger it is you who has finally put Duane in contact with a parachute - however tenuous the link. The article mentions Kissinger was the judge
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.
georger 244
There was a guy who posted here for a while - I cna't remember his "name" but I think he was the one who passed away - possibly either dbcoopercatcher or his partner. I seem to recall he got extremely agitated at one point about the effect that Cooper had had on the stews - talking about nightmares and other pysch problems (in fact, from his reaction I thought he might be a family member but it appears he wasn't.) So this isn't a first, and from what the guy had written (not sure if I have the energy to search) it sounded very much like he knew what he was talking about. Pity he like others got hounded out of here by A Certain Someone; because there certainly are enough other suspects at least as viable as someone who listed his occupation as "crook" and (rather hopefully?) stayed at "Treasure Island".
Myers & Dvorak (Leftcoast & Eastcoast) in the
Ted Mayfield fiasco. They went on TV and accused
Mayfield of being Cooper, things got hot, and
Leftcoast (Myers) suddenly died of MS or an auto accident or something.
I think what Blevins said about Tina is equally
"tasteless" and crude.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteWell one thing you can say about Duane is that he got around. Here he is in St. Petersburg, Fl in 1957. Haven't seen this pic before (above article). Interesting article too.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=h9ENAAAAIBAJ&sjid=OXYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4453%2C5772131
Smokey, here's your article. I was able to bring
out a little more detail in the photos... hope
this meets with your approval. Regards -
G.
So Georger it is you who has finally put Duane in contact with a parachute - however tenuous the link. The article mentions Kissinger was the judge
I think somebody should check to see if Duane
is really dead! -
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I am always accusing Duane of being the crook who couldnt shoot straight, but swiping that law enforcement officer's badge and ID? Pretty slick, I must admit. The ID photo looks enough like Duane to work in most situations. I'll bet there is a story about how Duane managed to get that item.
Wonder if Duane also had someone's USPA D license? Very useful when showing up at a new DZ to do some NORJACK practice jumps.
I wonder if deep down in his subconscious Duane preferred prison to outside? Look at his behavior while on parole. Look at how often he gets caught. Look at the stupid risks he was taking (serial small dollar pickpocketing). Every crime is new chance for arrest and sure enough he gets arrested.
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Wonder if Duane also had someone's USPA D license? Very useful when showing up at a new DZ to do some NORJACK practice jumps.
I wonder if deep down in his subconscious Duane preferred prison to outside? Look at his behavior while on parole. Look at how often he gets caught. Look at the stupid risks he was taking (serial small dollar pickpocketing). Every crime is new chance for arrest and sure enough he gets arrested.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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377 profoundly reflected:
“I wonder if deep down in his subconscious Duane preferred prison to outside?”
That is one of the imponderables of life. Is man inherently good or bad, does art imitate life or life imitate stupidity and other cosmic queries which will not be answered too soon.
Imagine being in a beautiful place like Treasure Island, FL and stealing rather than enjoying such a location. Kind of depressing to read how one person could or would spend so much time in the hoosegow by the age of 33.
But we are a painfully duplicitous society regarding crime. I had a motorcycle stolen in the 70’s and the FIRST question the police asked, “Was it locked?” Like it would be my fault if it wasn’t. The next question had to do with making payments, to which I answered “I haven’t made payments becau….” Ahhh, you see, I believe your bike has been repossessed; you just need to settle with your bank. I finished with “because I paid cash for the bike.”
Pause.
Can you prove it? Yes sir, here is the pink slip. From a suspected ‘vehicle not-locker’ to a ‘deadbeat’ that had to prove I never had a loan on the thing. Crime may not pay, but the benefits of obeying the law aren’t all one may imagine either.
He filled out a report and told me that the recovery rate is less than 2% so the report will only have value to your insurance company. I don’t have theft insurance. That’s not too bright he responded (great now I’m an idiot too). Well, the premiums were $600 a year and I had the bike just less than four years and paid $2,000 for it; so I figure I’m ahead $400, but quickly losing my mind right now.
Here’s your report, have a nice day.
“I wonder if deep down in his subconscious Duane preferred prison to outside?”
That is one of the imponderables of life. Is man inherently good or bad, does art imitate life or life imitate stupidity and other cosmic queries which will not be answered too soon.
Imagine being in a beautiful place like Treasure Island, FL and stealing rather than enjoying such a location. Kind of depressing to read how one person could or would spend so much time in the hoosegow by the age of 33.
But we are a painfully duplicitous society regarding crime. I had a motorcycle stolen in the 70’s and the FIRST question the police asked, “Was it locked?” Like it would be my fault if it wasn’t. The next question had to do with making payments, to which I answered “I haven’t made payments becau….” Ahhh, you see, I believe your bike has been repossessed; you just need to settle with your bank. I finished with “because I paid cash for the bike.”
Pause.
Can you prove it? Yes sir, here is the pink slip. From a suspected ‘vehicle not-locker’ to a ‘deadbeat’ that had to prove I never had a loan on the thing. Crime may not pay, but the benefits of obeying the law aren’t all one may imagine either.
He filled out a report and told me that the recovery rate is less than 2% so the report will only have value to your insurance company. I don’t have theft insurance. That’s not too bright he responded (great now I’m an idiot too). Well, the premiums were $600 a year and I had the bike just less than four years and paid $2,000 for it; so I figure I’m ahead $400, but quickly losing my mind right now.
Here’s your report, have a nice day.
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Smokin99 deserves a lot of credit forQuoteI am always accusing Duane of being the crook who couldnt shoot straight, but swiping that law enforcement officer's badge and ID? Pretty slick, I must admit. The ID photo looks enough like Duane to work in most situations. I'll bet there is a story about how Duane managed to get that item.
Wonder if Duane also had someone's USPA D license? Very useful when showing up at a new DZ to do some NORJACK practice jumps.
I wonder if deep down in his subconscious Duane preferred prison to outside? Look at his behavior while on parole. Look at how often he gets caught. Look at the stupid risks he was taking (serial small dollar pickpocketing). Every crime is new chance for arrest and sure enough he gets arrested.
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having found this ... evidently it was just
sitting at Google all along for somebody to find.
Duane Weber defines himself as a petty cowardly
"imposter crook" who steals from old ladies, incapable of being DB Cooper.
The article confirms everything Ive always thought
about Duane and defines Duane in a way Jo will never describe Duane, or admit to.
I think the whole thing is sad and has been very
wasteful of everyone's time, on Jo's part.
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QuoteSmokin99 deserves a lot of credit for
having found this
99 sure does deserve a lot of credit. I've had one of those autosearch things running on Google for a long time and it didnt spit up this infomative article on Duane Weber.
I am not a psychologist, but there seems to be a compulsive nature to Duane's criminal actions. Perhaps he got a huge irresistable high from pulling off a theft or con job. or by doing a successful impersonation. He knew from prior arrests, convictions and sentences that he really wasnt very good at it, but he goes right back to it as soon as he gets out of jail.
When I did criminal defense I occasionally got a case where a very wealthy person was caught shoplifting. It had to be a thrill thing, there was no rational economic reason justifying such a risk. They usually had some story about having tried on a garment and forgetting to take it off before they left the store etc etc, but they were really just wealthy thieves. The system (in CA) usually goes easy on them if it's a first time case. They go into a diversion program, attend some classes, perhaps do some volunteer work and the record gets expunged, no recorded criminal conviction.
I had one case that didnt go so smoothly. It was a wealthy woman who had what the store dectectives call a "rig", a garment modified to conceal stolen items (often a concealed access slit and internal bag in the lining of a coat). She got caught and was charged with burglary, because they could prove (from the rig) she entered the building with intent to commit a crime therein therfore it was unlawful entry etc etc. It took a lot of steppin, but I got the charges reduced to misdeameanor theft and she was accepted for diversion.
I've often wondered if NORJACK was a thrill crime and had no compelling economic motivation. Cooper didnt seem all that interested in the actual money (surprised to get it, offering some to Tina, apparently unprepared to carry it on a high speed exit).
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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QuoteQuoteSmokin99 deserves a lot of credit for
having found this
99 sure does deserve a lot of credit. I've had one of those autosearch things running on Google for a long time and it didnt spit up this infomative article on Duane Weber.
I am not a psychologist, but there seems to be a compulsive nature to Duane's criminal actions. Perhaps he got a huge irresistable high from pulling off a theft or con job. or by doing a successful impersonation. He knew from prior arrests, convictions and sentences that he really wasnt very good at it, but he goes right back to it as soon as he gets out of jail.
When I did criminal defense I occasionally got a case where a very wealthy person was caught shoplifting. It had to be a thrill thing, there was no rational economic reason justifying such a risk. They usually had some story about having tried on a garment and forgetting to take it off before they left the store etc etc, but they were really just wealthy thieves. The system (in CA) usually goes easy on them if it's a first time case. They go into a diversion program, attend some classes, perhaps do some volunteer work and the record gets expunged, no recorded criminal conviction.
I had one case that didnt go so smoothly. It was a wealthy woman who had what the store dectectives call a "rig", a garment modified to conceal stolen items (often a concealed access slit and internal bag in the lining of a coat). She got caught and was charged with burglary, because they could prove (from the rig) she entered the building with intent to commit a crime therein therfore it was unlawful entry etc etc. It took a lot of steppin, but I got the charges reduced to misdeameanor theft and she was accepted for diversion.
I've often wondered if NORJACK was a thrill crime and had no compelling economic motivation. Cooper didnt seem all that interested in the actual money (surprised to get it, offering some to Tina, apparently unprepared to carry it on a high speed exit).
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If we had a similar article on Cooper I imagine
we would all sit back and say 'ahhh so that's what
it is!'. The moment of discovery.
A picture is worth a thousand words, and this
article likewise. Smokin99 is our hero. I love it!
That is what I came here for.
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Smokin99,
Please tell us how you found the article so we can all can sharpen our search skills.
The undisputed Jedi Master of Cooper online searching is Snowmman. Snow taught me many things but would not hold my hand on searching. He'd just stay cryptic stuff like "Feel the FORCE, Luke."
I should have found Sheridan Peterson before Snow did. I was looking for Boeing, smoke jumper, skydiving and all the right stuff but I couldn't even find Sheridan AFTER Snow did. I had to look at his his actual search results and backtrack.
The article you found gave a lot of info about Duane completely uncolored by Jo. What we saw was a pathetic petty thief and con artist who couldnt even pull off a successful ten dollar purse snatch. Decide for yourself if that was a young Dan Cooper.
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Please tell us how you found the article so we can all can sharpen our search skills.
The undisputed Jedi Master of Cooper online searching is Snowmman. Snow taught me many things but would not hold my hand on searching. He'd just stay cryptic stuff like "Feel the FORCE, Luke."
I should have found Sheridan Peterson before Snow did. I was looking for Boeing, smoke jumper, skydiving and all the right stuff but I couldn't even find Sheridan AFTER Snow did. I had to look at his his actual search results and backtrack.
The article you found gave a lot of info about Duane completely uncolored by Jo. What we saw was a pathetic petty thief and con artist who couldnt even pull off a successful ten dollar purse snatch. Decide for yourself if that was a young Dan Cooper.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
georger 244
Ckret tried to convey some of this hereQuoteSmokin99,
Please tell us how you found the article so we can all can sharpen our search skills.
The undisputed Jedi Master of Cooper online searching is Snowmman. Snow taught me many things but would not hold my hand on searching. He'd just stay cryptic stuff like "Feel the FORCE, Luke."
I should have found Sheridan Peterson before Snow did. I was looking for Boeing, smoke jumper, skydiving and all the right stuff but I couldn't even find Sheridan AFTER Snow did. I had to look at his his actual search results and backtrack.
The article you found gave a lot of info about Duane completely uncolored by Jo. What we saw was a pathetic petty thief and con artist who couldnt even pull off a successful ten dollar purse snatch. Decide for yourself if that was a young Dan Cooper.
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but wasn't taken seriously, and you saw what kind of
response that brought from Jo. I can repost some
of what Ckret shared here - but I dont think that's
necessary. Good job, Ckret!
Here is a repost of the St Petersberg article -
cleaned up more. I have streched this cleaning
about as far as I can while still keeping within the
300k limit of a jpeg one can post here ...
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Thanks for the cleanup Georger, nice job. I wonder what that typewritten list was all about? Who were those people? A typed out list is a lot different than a serially updated address book.
I'll wager it was part of a set up for some con job. Con artists often ingratiate themselves with potential victims by claiming to know common aquaintances and having details about them such as where they live, names of kids, relatives etc.
I still think Duane's connection with Norjack may have been a con hatched long after Cooper did the job. It may have taken him to WA to learn some facts about the area and be able to weave a credible story about knowing the area. I can't figure it all out but I go back to Jo's claims that notes in Duane's handwriting were found in a local library book about DBC. Something tells me he was doing research for a con job.
"Maybe I was the guy on the ground." Remember that? Wouldnt that be a good start to a con? DBC died during or after the jump, you disposed of Cooper's body and hid the money, need a "partner" to finance its recovery etc etc. You can describe the area with great detail...
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I'll wager it was part of a set up for some con job. Con artists often ingratiate themselves with potential victims by claiming to know common aquaintances and having details about them such as where they live, names of kids, relatives etc.
I still think Duane's connection with Norjack may have been a con hatched long after Cooper did the job. It may have taken him to WA to learn some facts about the area and be able to weave a credible story about knowing the area. I can't figure it all out but I go back to Jo's claims that notes in Duane's handwriting were found in a local library book about DBC. Something tells me he was doing research for a con job.
"Maybe I was the guy on the ground." Remember that? Wouldnt that be a good start to a con? DBC died during or after the jump, you disposed of Cooper's body and hid the money, need a "partner" to finance its recovery etc etc. You can describe the area with great detail...
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
if I can grab it and shop it for presentation later
tonight ... that means I get an extra cup of coffee
tonight ... fooled my doctors again!
BTW: damned good work smokin99! Greatwork!
wunderbar.
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