DB Cooper

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Here is some cheap NB6 hardware, but no ripcord, and other stuff is missing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Parachute-pack-T-34-new-NB-6-Container-60A114E2-52-/370422799213?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563eeb5b6d

377

377 and Amazon, I now have the container referred to above in hand. It was manufactured in 1988 but never put in service. It has six, at least, horizontal metal bands as stiffeners and two, at least, vertical stiffeners.

In the fall of 1971, and maybe in to mid-November, I owned an NB-6 that I used as an emergency chute. This particular chute's container and canopy were probably manufactured in the 1950 to 1960 time frame.

There are some differences in the two NB-6 containers based on a 40 year old memory. There seem to be more metallic stiffeners in the new container. Contrary to 377's earlier statement, the packing bands on both containers seem to be elastic rather than having a metal spring. The other differences appear to be "product improvement" types.

The six horizontal stiffeners are bowed such that the wearer's back would be sitting in a U. No one is going to be able to put even a 26 foot conical canopy in this container until they work over these stiffeners with a sledge hammer. And a 28 foot flat canopy fitting into this container is completely out of the question, beer talk to the contrary.

If Cooper actually jumped with a NB-6, he may have done so due to a preference for Navy equipment.

Robert

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Wonder if the Cooper rig could have actually been an NB8, which holds an unsleeved C9 just fine. Cossey has referred to the rig mostly as an NB6, but once in a while he calls it an NB8.

My pristine stock NB8 sits in climate controlled dry storage (my attic) waiting for Snow or Amazon to take the challenge.

Robert, did your NB6 bailout rig have a 26 ft Navy Conical canopy inside? GREAT parachute.

So now that you have this late model NB6, what are you going to do with it?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Wonder if the Cooper rig could have actually been an NB8, which holds an unsleeved C9 just fine. Cossey has referred to the rig mostly as an NB6, but once in a while he calls it an NB8.

My pristine stock NB8 sits in climate controlled dry storage (my attic) waiting for Snow or Amazon to take the challenge.

Robert, did your NB6 bailout rig have a 26 ft Navy Conical canopy inside? GREAT parachute.

So now that you have this late model NB6, what are you going to do with it?

377

377, That 26 foot conical canopy was what I was after. I used this chute in flying high-performance gliders which had a VERY cramped cockpit even for me (I fit in about the 55-60 percentile in height, weight, and major bone lengths for the male pilot population).

In the 1960's era, the 26 foot conical canopy was in short supply and priced at least 2 or 3 times higher than 28 foot flat canopies. So they were hard to find, but my rigger found one for me and then, under his supervision, I removed some of the metallic stiffeners and maybe added a thicker back pad. The smaller pack with the 26 foot conical is what is desired.

In high performance gliders, where the pilot is in a supine position, that back pad and other cushions are extremely important. Otherwise, since glider flights can routine last 6 to 8 hours, you may find yourself a long way from home and experiencing the tortures of the damned.

Now that I have this container, I am just going to look at it for the time being. The guy I bought it from told me yesterday that he has four more of them if anyone is interested (send me a PM and I will give you his e-mail address in the Phoenix, AZ area).

Robert

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All,

I while trying to figure out what Jo has been carrying-on about I finally came to a startling conclusion:
Everyone who has both smokejumper and CIA experience is named "Peterson"!

Now... isn't that odd?

Peterson, Richard A. "Paperlegs" (McCall 1947)
posted: January 01, 2002
The long-time (47-62) McCall jumper and CIA employee was felled by a heart attack and died peacefully at his home in Weiser, ID on Oct. 19, 1999.

Richard was born March 3, 1927, at Gannett, Idaho, the son of Martin and Madge Leazenby Peterson. He attended elementary school in Gannett and began high school at Hailey. He left during his senior year in 1945 to join the U.S. Army and trained as a paratrooper at Fort Benning, Ga., with the 82nd Airborne. He was honorably discharged in 1946 and returned to graduate from Salmon High School in 1947.

Paperlegs became a smokejumper with the U.S. Forest Service the summer of 1947. From then until 1954 he spent summers as a smokejumper and winters in mining. He went full-time with the Forest Service in 1955 and made over 200 parachute jumps throughout the western United States.

He was a member of the National Smokejumper Association, and is fondly recalled as "Paperlegs." From 1962-1973 he worked as a parachute dispatch officer for Intermountain Aviation involved with special operations in Tibet, Laos, Vietnam, Cuba, India and Peru.

He met and married Ridgely Chapline in 1964. The couple lived in Tucson, Ariz. They moved to Lander, Wyo., in 1973, where he worked as a miner. In 1982 they returned to Salmon, and resided there until moving to Weiser in 1994. He is survived by his wife, Ridgely.




Found at:
http://history.idaho.gov/smokejumper/sj_indexes/johnson.pdf

OK, my turn to do the dumb blonde bit. Is "Paperlegs" now a Cooper suspect? Fits the nice profile we had figured out a good while ago :) (ref all the old posts on smokejumpers/CIA/air america etc)... someone most of us would assume would survive the jump.

Anyone know if he was ever questioned by the FBI? Anything that might hint at some money coming in? Whereabouts at the time of the hijack? Exposure to 727 tests? ... some digging maybe... where's Bruce?!

As 377 said a while ago - seem to be lots of people who fit the profle, just a matter of finding them!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Here is some cheap NB6 hardware, but no ripcord, and other stuff is missing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Parachute-pack-T-34-new-NB-6-Container-60A114E2-52-/370422799213?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563eeb5b6d

377

377 and Amazon, I now have the container referred to above in hand. It was manufactured in 1988 but never put in service. It has six, at least, horizontal metal bands as stiffeners and two, at least, vertical stiffeners.

In the fall of 1971, and maybe in to mid-November, I owned an NB-6 that I used as an emergency chute. This particular chute's container and canopy were probably manufactured in the 1950 to 1960 time frame.

There are some differences in the two NB-6 containers based on a 40 year old memory. There seem to be more metallic stiffeners in the new container. Contrary to 377's earlier statement, the packing bands on both containers seem to be elastic rather than having a metal spring. The other differences appear to be "product improvement" types.

The six horizontal stiffeners are bowed such that the wearer's back would be sitting in a U. No one is going to be able to put even a 26 foot conical canopy in this container until they work over these stiffeners with a sledge hammer. And a 28 foot flat canopy fitting into this container is completely out of the question, beer talk to the contrary.

If Cooper actually jumped with a NB-6, he may have done so due to a preference for Navy equipment.

Robert

Mine has the coil springs in the nylon pack material covered bands to pull the pack material to the side when the pins are extracted from the cones.

Tehre was usually a pad that snapped into place facing your back. In many of them they replaced that with the PLD tape package that contained the nylon webbing for getting down out of trees.

ALL of them are tight to pack any canopy, it,s a combination of skill and the right tool set to get the parachute into them as well as the kickerplate/pilot chute ( held in place by the proper pin tool thru the two tabs on the kickerplate).

Having a couple other riggers hands to help get them closed was always appreciated

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Although litsed as 1980s, I believe this T Shirt is older. The Calif Parachute Club wasnt active (as a club with their own DZ) in the 80s. I believe it still survives as a social organization.http://www.crocuta.com/CPC/index.html
http://vimeo.com/groups/dslrfilmmaker/videos/14626058


T Shirt on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-80s-CALIFORNIA-PARACHUTE-CLUB-RETRO-T-SHIRT-/180580058043?pt=Vintage_Men_s_Clothing&hash=item2a0b6903bb

What caught my attention is that a Boeing Jump Club T Shirt showed up here a few months back, also from the Phillipines.

Odd... that used vintage T Shirts from two obscure West Coast skydive clubs would surface in the Phillipines in 2010.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Although litsed as 1980s, I believe this T Shirt is older. The Calif Parachute Club wasnt active (as a club with their own DZ) in the 80s. I believe it still survives as a social organization.http://www.crocuta.com/CPC/index.html
http://vimeo.com/groups/dslrfilmmaker/videos/14626058


T Shirt on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-80s-CALIFORNIA-PARACHUTE-CLUB-RETRO-T-SHIRT-/180580058043?pt=Vintage_Men_s_Clothing&hash=item2a0b6903bb

What caught my attention is that a Boeing Jump Club T Shirt showed up here a few months back, also from the Phillipines.

Odd... that used vintage T Shirts from two obscure West Coast skydive clubs would surface in the Phillipines in 2010.

377

Someone must have retired to the PI.... perhaps they were ex-USAF and had been stationed at Clark AB. Shall we say a dollar still goes a LOOOOOOOOOONG way over there.

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Fits Cooper Profile:

Richard A. Peterson (nicknmaed "Paperlegs" jump at McCall in 1947.

Time frame works for his having met Weber.

This long-time McCall jumper and CIA employee died in Weiser, ID on Oct. 19, 1999.

The CIA involvement he was into was on the fringe of what our government would allow to be public knowledge.

Born March 3, 1927, at Gannett, Idaho,

Right age.[/Blue]

In 1945 joined the U.S. Army and trained as a paratrooper at Fort Benning, Ga., with the 82nd Airborne.

Why was his involvement so SHORT - one yr. Remember the Ft. Benning photos and records I posted. Where is he in this group?

What was the name of the other individuals who trained at the same time with the same group?

There was a story Duane told me about a guy who used someone elses number and name at Ft. Benning...could that have been Weber? Weber was supposedly in McNeil for about the 1st 6months of 1945?

What specific months was Paperlegs at Ft. Benning?

Honorably discharged in 1946.

Very short period of time for an army stent.

Until 1954 he spent summers as a smokejumper and winters in mining. He went full-time with the Forest Service in 1955.

From 1962-1973 he worked as a parachute dispatch officer for Intermountain Aviation involved with special operations in Tibet, Laos, Vietnam, Cuba, India and Peru.

[Blue] What qualified him for this particular position of Dispatch Officer? Also note the training fields for these operations were located in the very places Weber contended he was (confirmed by the stories he told and the ex-wife of the times told).

Married in 1964 and lived in Tucson, Ariz.

Tucson was a major location in the history of Weber and his wife. She also had relatives in the area.

Where's Bruce?!

He is in N.Y. - had a family situation there which required his presence.

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I have some records for the Ft. Benning jumpers, but the 1945 records require one to GO to the facility and then you might be denied access. I was able to previously get photos from the early 1950's but not 1948.

I will give my girl a call and see if she is still available...and what she can find since we have a Name and a Specific Yr.

Does anyone else have a source?
I seriously doubt that Paperlegs was Cooper, but someone he worked with or had association with either in 1945 or the yrs during his time with the CIA and his position in communications during the 1960-1973 time span.

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Seeing Paperlegs personal and family history, which is nothing but honest and solid, I seriously doubt he had anything to do with the hijacking.

I would also be cautious about even SUGGESTING such a thing. His family might take exception and do something about it.

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Blevins: I have NOT said that Paperlegs was Cooper nor AM I insinuating this. ]

1. I am trying to find out his connection to Duane L. Weber. That is WHAT all of the dates are about.

2. Duane said he knew Paperlegs. Paperlegs was in the same places at the same time Duane was.

3. I did suggest that perhaps the government inadvertantly trained Cooper to do what he did. In that same post I mentioned that he may have used another name.

4. Exactly why I want the records for the time period Paperlegs was at Ft. Benning. I want to know the name of every person in that class.

5. If what Duane told me is true and I have NO reason to believe it is not....there was a guy who used a serial number and name of another person to get back into the service....remember he always talked in 3rd party. I believe he may have met Paperlegs during this time period.

6. Duane Weber told me this story in the Ft. Benning area when he pointed out a place he and the guys stayed in.

7. I have learned that Duane's third party stories are about himself...such as "Crook" for occupation and this is why I am exploring all of this again.

8. When I learned the time frame of Paperlegs training and the fact he was CIA during the crucial yrs, I have ever reason to explore this - that is not accusing anyone. In fact when Duane spoke of Paperlegs it was in admiration.

You above anyone else has NO right to even suggest such a thing. You have taken a sweet hard working guy and made him out to be Cooper. Kenny never confessed to being Cooper. He was frugal and smart with his money - I can show you others from that same time frame and with the same amount of income who accumulated a sizeable estate. One was a meek and unassuming bookkeeper. He never married and he never made as much as Kenny made - he died a very wealthy man.

Gold coins and coins are one way to accumulate wealth without even realizing it. I am sure that even Kenny had no idea what the value of his collections was. It is something men of that era did. I personally know another person who did it just because he was bored and did the exact same thing...died without knowing the value of the collections.

What about the assault the guys in this forum made on Eagleeye.
Sheridan Peterson...the attack was such the poor man had to give his DNA to the FBI or so it was purported in the thread.

As far as Paperlegs - he or the government may have inadvertantly trained Cooper...and I was very clear about that.

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Seeing Paperlegs personal and family history, which is nothing but honest and solid, I seriously doubt he had anything to do with the hijacking.

I would also be cautious about even SUGGESTING such a thing. His family might take exception and do something about it.

You are the very last person who should make such a statement like that.

You convinced old friends of K.C.'s he was Cooper. You have twisted their memories and made it your story. You are causing 2 old ladies to make fools out of themselves - because the enticement of being involved in the solving of the Cooper case has been overwhelming...

You have taken another subject you refuse to name - and accused him of breaking and entering to retrieve evidence that could cause him to be brought into question. No, you haven't named your subject, but you might as well have done so. Now he is under investigation, but since none of us have heard anything in the media other than what you wrote - obviously the FBI has given your accusations no credence.

Can you even imagine how those 2 old ladies will feel when the REAL Cooper is revealed? Can you even imagine the consequences they will have to handle or do you even care?

P.S. I never said Paperlegs was Cooper. ALL I am trying to do is establish what the truth is behind the third party story and that just might lead to the truth. If indeed Duane did know Paperlegs perhaps there is a picture somewhere with the 2 of them in it. Did you even notice that I mentioned Duane was in Kansas - in 1964 or 1965 working as an insurance salesman?

ARE you aware that Duane Weber used the name John C. Collins from 1962 until 1968. Doesn't it make sense I would want to know about his connections to Paperlegs during that time frame - considering Paperlegs was in the same areas as John C. Collins and involved in the very same things Weber told me about?

I am not stepping out of bounds. I am trying to figure all of this out - I am trying to find the real truth...not hurt others by building a scenario that leaves scars and a stigma on the lives of others...as your story will do. Duane Weber's personal life harmed a lot of people in his past and he did a lot of good after his awakening (for lack of a better word). Duane Weber did CONFESS to the crime and the things he told me have turned out to be true - now it is just a matter of piecing his life together and unraveling the mysterious past of this man.

The memories that have flooded back since I realized he had actually told me about his life in the third person - like it was just a story he hear or an article he read...to suddenly realize the person he was talking about was himself,.Just when I was ready to give up suddenly another door opens - and the memory flood gates opened - revealing even more about his past.

I spent 15 day in WA and OR, now I want to go back - there is more I have to do that I need to do, but I have not the time nor the money for such an adventure. I am 10 yrs too late - because so many of the key individuals have died - I am one of the last survivors. All I can hope for is a paper trail - a historical trail back into his history....There are those who say this man was here or there, but there IS nothing to confirm it.
All it will take is one photo of man with a different name - that is undeniably Duane Weber.

There are 3 such photos being studied and compared now. We have old folks who say - that guy was the dishwasher at the Spillway...I need pictures to prove it. That guy used to work for Mattie - I need pictures or documents to prove it. That guy helped the guys pack the chutes but, I need pictures to prove it. You can conjure up any story you want about Cooper's identity - I want proof...and the public wants proof (not just another Cooper Wannabe Story).

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Must be on vacation - or at least lets hope so. Tends to get out of sorts and gets his blood pressure up.....but, I hope he is not ill. The Thanksgiving Holidays are here - somaybe he is just enjoying his family or on a long over due vacation with his family.

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http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E02E47169FA9829A

Not sure how long I'll leave this up. Most of it will be things you already know, but the ideas towards the end should be somewhat fresh.

Take care!
SCPLF

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Hey Safe, where have you been?

Leave it up on You Tube.

BTW, you are definitely ready to get out of the tunnel and skydive. I bet you'll breeze through AFF if youy havent already done so.

Have a good Thanksgiving.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I have Tried and Tried and Tried - I only have dial up and it took me over an hour to watch one segment. Can anyone put these on DVD's and send them to me so I can see and hear them. The one I tried to watch was the last one, but I still missed parts of it.

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You mean 'Mike Watson'.

Why is it Turkey Day on the DZ - it is not Thanksgiving, but read on:

Earlier today in a PM I asked Blevins if he had a more recent photo of this man in the print shirt. Well, I did not have to wait for that as I already knew. I even did a little thing with a pic of Duane and "Mike Watson" just for fun....No the picture is not of Duane Weber.

I asked him to provided me with a later photo of "Watson" if he had one. Well, I didn't have to wait for an answer because I already knew who the man was.




No dishwasher!. Try Jack Lawson, Mechanic. Opps! Maybe that is Don Harchey or could it be Hardy - makes NO difference.

Blevins, You have been HOAXED. The HOAX BUSTER has been on your "case" for sometime now.

This guy had something better to do than stay home, but we won't go into that.

He was an airplane mechanic in the 50's.

How did your Company manage to get the COPYRIGHT to a personal photo that belonged to the family? Did you have the family WAIVE the copyright? Where is your signed agreement with the family?

This by all respects should be permission of or courtesy of, but not a COPYRIGHT by the publishing company. If you own the copyright then I hope you compensated the family very WELL for it.

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http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E02E47169FA9829A

Not sure how long I'll leave this up. Most of it will be things you already know, but the ideas towards the end should be somewhat fresh.

Take care!
SCPLF

Great stuff.
Anyone else having trouble with Video 17 or is it just me? It goes to the opening music then stops. Boo hoo

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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17 worked OK for me. And yes, keep it up PLF.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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I liked Safe's videos. I find a few points where his subjective opinion flavors the logic, but I couldn't have done half as well as he did in his presentation. It is thought provoking. Jo will LOVE it.

Jo, he doesn't say Duane was Cooper but he does say your story about Duane fits the known facts better than any other popular candidate. Now, if that's not enough to prod you into getting DSL or cable Internet nothing will do it.

I was looking at Safes environment shown in the videos (his office?). What is his profession? He argues as well as many lawyers, but he doesn't have the nasty edge. Psychologist? I don't think so. Any guesses?

I did catch your jab at me about Occam's razor Safe. I'd like to return the favor in perfect symmetry but I can't find where you offend Occam. Don't relax yet, I am still mulling things over.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I liked Safe's videos. I find a few points where his subjective opinion flavors the logic, but I couldn't have done half as well as he did in his presentation. It is thought provoking. Jo will LOVE it.

Jo, he doesn't say Duane was Cooper but he does say your story about Duane fits the known facts better than any other popular candidate. Now, if that's not enough to prod you into getting DSL or cable Internet nothing will do it.

I was looking at Safes environment shown in the videos (his office?). What is his profession? He argues as well as many lawyers, but he doesn't have the nasty edge. Psychologist? I don't think so. Any guesses?

I did catch your jab at me about Occam's razor Safe. I'd like to return the favor in perfect symmetry but I can't find where you offend Occam. Don't relax yet, I am still mulling things over.

377

mho
I think he's a teacher. If he's not, he should be. (I'm talking presentation here). I would have loved to have had him for a statistics teacher in school. He actually made it interesting.
I still think there are some problems too - for example the whys that he brings up in the last videos (why throw the money in the river, for example) would apply to any suspect, including Duane. Plus who is to say that the real Dan Cooper has even been considered yet.

But even if there might be a touch of subjective logic in places, I think that his major premise - this tendency for FBI and others to adjust details to fit their assumptions years after the fact is on the money (pardon the pun)

I agree with you -- Jo will love this. Makes me cross my fingers for her to put him in a parachute and on that damn plane.
And the academy award goes to.....SafecrackingPLF. Awesome job!

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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And yes, keep it up PLF.

He will! I look forward to #1773

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Jo, he doesn't say Duane was Cooper but he does say your story about Duane fits the known facts better than any other popular candidate.
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why would that be?
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I did catch your jab at me about Occam's razor Safe. 377

I thought his explanation of Occam was pretty
good (on a layman's level). But his application
is faulty -

Safe and Jo have a LOT in common. Its no
wonder he will preference her 'case' ? He has
all along. Maybe he needs to apply OR to that?
It would be shameful if Jo has lead such an
elegant young man down a primrose path!

I think Safe's intentions are good. I just think
its pretty obvious (to me) he's in way over his
head. For one thing you don't have to explain
the history of the Universe in order to explain
1+1=2 ... to any audience, including the the
Girls Scouts.

Safe's 'inductive' method is very tedious. He will
lose 2/3rds of his audience by vid #12 ...

I got a kick out of his long discourse (Principia)
on "Did Cooper tie 1, 2, or 10knots... in the
bank bag! Do long winded escatologies like that
not depart wildly from any notion of .. simplicity,
which I thought was the whole point if his exercise?
Safe is stacking the deck with assumptions even
as he claims to be teaching the world a method for simplification and discovery?

Is it sermonizing or science?

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http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E02E47169FA9829A

Not sure how long I'll leave this up. Most of it will be things you already know, but the ideas towards the end should be somewhat fresh.

Take care!
SCPLF

What happened. Is the site still up? I could only see a couple of them, but the raves the posters have been giving means they must really be good. Pay Georger no mind he is just likes to disagree with anything and everything most of the time.

He is sparing with compliments unless it is going his way.

You would be a great investigative TV reporter. Reminds me of what the guy does on Numbers. I have enjoyed what I have viewed.

Have you ever thought of using your ability by working with the FBI as a free lance on cold cases.
Perhaps a lot of them could use some new views and your analytical approach.

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I got a kick out of his long discourse (Principia)
on "Did Cooper tie 1, 2, or 10knots... in the
bank bag!

Speaking of the BAG, Professor G. The bag was carried up the forward stairway which was the only entry and exit point while the 727 was on the ground.

Tina was allowed to bring the chutes and the money up the stairs, past the passengers and to the Aft cabin - BEFORE the passengers where allowed to leave the plane.

I have never read ONE accounting of a passenger (witness) stating a WHITISH bank Bag was brought onto the plane. WHY?

The FBI is the one who made that claim. Where is the accounting of the passengers who sat on in that forward cabin when this young lady is making more than one trip to take the items back to the Aft Cabin?

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.... For one thing you don't have to explain
the history of the Universe in order to explain
1+1=2 ... to any audience, including the the
Girls Scouts. ...

Hmmm....Looks like someone got shorted on their order of Thin Mints this year ......or maybe they had a visit from this ghost of Juliet Low.....

(Sorry....I know you've probably already seen it since it came from the Man Show but I couldn't resist......)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE9ApmS5Q0I

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill