DB Cooper

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Thin Mints

Those things are goddam heroin. Addictive and harmful, loaded with partially hydrogenated fats last time I had the nerve to read the ingredients label.

So knowing all that, why do I order 52 boxes?

Well, Girl Scouts is a good cause and they only come around peddling snack smack once a year. That's Thin Mints Through The Lens of Logic.

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Snack smack. I like that.

SNL's John Mulaney on girls scout cookies.....
http://www.hulu.com/watch/144704/saturday-night-live-update-john-mulaney

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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.... For one thing you don't have to explain
the history of the Universe in order to explain
1+1=2 ... to any audience, including the the
Girls Scouts. ...

Hmmm....Looks like someone got shorted on their order of Thin Mints this year ......

Funny. We "endow" the Girls Scouts of America.
We supported 32 programs for GS this year and hosted the Regional Conference in July.

and your contribution ?

I have all the mints I can handle...

Tell me what Safe's third line says ... any idea?

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Tell me what Safe's third line says ... any idea?

It says set the differential equal to zero, solve... and you get the optimal value for the DBC model matrix determinant.

I'll save you the calculation Georger, the answer is Jo's story about Duane Weber. That could be different from Duane Weber's actual story. No lies implied, just that with every additional stage of amplification or translation, distortion enters the transfer function.

With Safe's TTLOL series, the term "bag lady" becomes more respectable in the DBC context. Safe doesnt say Duane was Cooper but he does say Jo's account of Duane throwing a paper bag (impliedly containing decomposed Cooper loot) off the bridge matches up with the Tena Bar money find.

Do you remember Bobbie Gentry's song? What did Billie Joe McAllister and his girlfriend throw off the Tallahatchie Bridge, and why did Billie Joe commit suicide? Put that TTLOL Safe.

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Funny. We "endow" the Girls Scouts of America.
We supported 32 programs for GS this year and hosted the Regional Conference in July.

Good for you Georger. We knew there was a kind and charitable heart in there somewhere. It just goes to show you cannot accurately judge a person by their Internet personna. No Quade, I am not going to segue into a plea for Snomman amnesty... until later, maybe around Christmas.

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Ft. Benning

I told you guys about Duane stating on a trip to Alabama when he drove me toward the entrance of Ft. Benning and then turning around and headed back North...he pointed to a building and said that's where the guys and I stayed and this just a little further he stated -"Over there" (if was beyond a treed area)" is where we used to jump".

He also told me another story during that trip or another trip that took us into the Ft. Benning area or another military area in the AL area (my memory is starting to fail me, but I told the story yrs ago and I am sure it is in a writing or email some place).

Just bear with me: Duane told me about his life but in the third person. Sometime during the above time he told me about a young man who used someone elses number and name, but it took the authorities a few wks to find him out . He said this young man had been kicked out of the service previously and that was the reason he used the other ID.

ALL of this has been told to the authorities by me and to Ralph Himmelsbach, but I was told it was impossible. BUT after that 1957 article - I now know that Duane told me about his life in the third person and most if not all of what he told me was true.

Now I need some HELP. Really bad. I need the Ft. Benning records from 1945 to 1948 to be accessed to see if there is ANY record of a young man doing this very thing. If so then we will have the name and serial number that was Duane Weber.
By 1943 Duane had already been kicked out of the Navy and when I first contacted the FBI I told them about his being in the ARMY and the serial number and a letter that showed he was at Camp Siebert.

The FBI agent would tell me in 2000 that Duane was never in the Army and the number belonged to a Wavy Green (not sure of the spelling). I called him on this and then he called me back in about an hour stating that Duane had been in the Army - the information I had had no DISCHARGE date, but the FBI later provided this same paper but with a discharge date (how did they do that)? If Duane was kicked out of the Army for the reasons I was told about by family members - he had to have spent some time in the brigg...so what do they do make the discharge Retroactive?

Well, 99 the "crook" story which I already knew but didn't know it was Duane himself has me re-examining every conversation I can remember. I think this guy who got into paratrooper training really happened and that person was Duane L. Weber. I just need to know HOW one goes about fingering these things - the government doesn't like to admit it when they screwed up.

I had a young lady who helped me previously, but she was unable to access anything prior to 1950's and then only the graduates - I posted the link to the pictures a couple of yrs ago.

Come on someone help me out here - this is getting spooky and I feel spooky....actually this is driving me insane. I had talked to a man in Ft. Benning who told me his name and gave me a contact we could talk privately - then when I make this contact - it doesn't exist. Yrs later this same name comes up in WA D.C.
Maybe there were 2 men with that same name who worked in FT. Benning. I would have to go back into my records to find it.

I believe I posted something about it in this thread and I may have mentioned the name at that time. Please - SOMEONE- Please help!

Duane TOLD me about his life in 3rd person (I hope that is the right terminology to use when a person tells you something but pretends it is about someone else or just something he read).

I had to find some things thru family members and an exwife and members of her family. Other things by spending a LOT of my own money and sacrificing 14 yrs of my life on this quest.
I am not dead yet and I am still chasing his life,but in a different way now. Remembering the things I pushed aside because others told me it could not be so...and trying to find an explanation that is reasonable.

99 unleashed the predator in me and I want my prey. I got the scent and I won't stop until I have the truth cornered. I HAVE to do THIS NOW and not Later.
Like the trip - later may never come...I guess that is what the authorities would like to see happen.

I have been told to keep quiet for a few WKS - why? I am a reasonable person if I am given an explanation that makes sense. Did Duane meet Paperlegs during 1945 at Ft. Benning or did he meet him later when the government decided Duane might be useful and maybe they could reform him by utilizing his yearning to fight for a cause? Is this when Duane knew Paperlegs? Is this how Duane knew so MUCH about communications? The ex-wife put Duane in all of those places and his own words put him in those places - N. and S. CO and the Leadville area and "In Plane Site". I was shown the area of all of these camps.

Remember the people he ran into he knew - ED Horan, a one legged man (amputated Right leg below the knee) who lived in South CO, the music man (Husband and wife team), the dry cleaner. A man Duane and ED worked for that had NO memory of either of them yrs later.

None of this makes sense to anyone but me.

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Tell me what Safe's third line says ... any idea?

It says set the differential equal to zero, solve... and you get the optimal value for the DBC model matrix determinant.

I'll save you the calculation Georger, the answer is Jo's story about Duane Weber. That could be different from Duane Weber's actual story. No lies implied, just that with every additional stage of amplification or translation, distortion enters the transfer function.

With Safe's TTLOL series, the term "bag lady" becomes more respectable in the DBC context. Safe doesnt say Duane was Cooper but he does say Jo's account of Duane throwing a paper bag (impliedly containing decomposed Cooper loot) off the bridge matches up with the Tena Bar money find.

Do you remember Bobbie Gentry's song? What did Billie Joe McAllister and his girlfriend throw off the Tallahatchie Bridge, and why did Billie Joe commit suicide? Put that TTLOL Safe.

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funny. I agree!

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Funny. We "endow" the Girls Scouts of America.
We supported 32 programs for GS this year and hosted the Regional Conference in July.

Good for you Georger. We knew there was a kind and charitable heart in there somewhere. It just goes to show you cannot accurately judge a person by their Internet personna. No Quade, I am not going to segue into a plea for Snomman amnesty... until later, maybe around Christmas.

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... and, the guys and gals at Rockwell give equal support to the Boys Scouts and more. They deserve full credit. Its one thing to write out checks - its another thing to invest personal time
and EVERYONE CAN INVEST PERSONAL TIME! IT ALL
COUNTS. Sermon over.

Thanks,
G.

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39 Yrs ago tonight - Cooper was in the dark and on the ground. He knew he was not too far from the Swift Dam or the Yale Dam - as he had seen the lights while he was still in the air. That was not his target - hell, he didn't have a target - he expected to be in jail or dead.

His only concern was finding shelter for the night - and he hunkered down waiting for daybreak. Wow, was he lucky he was right off the road. Stupidly he thought - well, it is Thanksgiving day and there won't be anyone on the road, but did he miscalculate that. A truck passes and acts like it is going to stop and then goes on. He immediately gets off the road and stumbles across the rail spurs - from an old logging camp. He follows that to the Chelatchie Mill were a pump car was kept. He hops on and its the rails - he has to make as much time as he can.

If you listen to the stories out there - this is one scenario, but
using what Weber told me and showed me my scenario was different, The problem I have is with the location this truck saw the man walking on the ground.
Perhaps a miscommunication about the point at which this truck encountered a man walking in business clothes carrying a bag. What Weber said to me in a location he took me was there had been a tower of some sort...You could see the light for miles....I assumed night time. Question did these towers have their lights on during the day and are the tower lights visible in the day (I am going to persume they are on 24 - 7).

I had thought he was moving in the night - but he could have been moving in the day. I had presumed Night because of the statement - "you could see the light for miles".

Regardless - the rail cars are very important, because they got him out of the search area relative fast - and then it was a matter of staying low and out of site and going S.E. away from the search area. The vechicle he left near a field not far from Green Mt off of the old 500 was out of question. It was stolen and by now the FBI would be swarming all over it. So S and E it was - he knew the power lines and the pipe lines. He had cut the hardware and straps away from the chute to make a knapsack of sorts. He had used the canopy and his brief case for heat and warmth that first night...and then buried the remains behind the shed. What a stroke of luck inside of that shed was a pair of coveralls - which he put over his suit. Now he blended in.

But what if he did exactly what he said "Go Right Back At Them". BUT, how could he have done this. He knew a man who had a piece of property at the foot of Green Mt. (did he go there)? Perhaps the man or woman was gone - but he took what he needed. Maybe this guy was a tenant or caretaker for the old Mansion that was not too far away. He had mentioned this and I told the FBI, but they NEVER did find out who the caretakers were for the Ole Mansion from 1945 to 1971. If Duane knew him - he was probably an excon or a correctional officer or old friend.

He mentioned the name Bxxxxx which I have checked out - but as usual - a day late and a dollar short. By the time I find them they are senile or dead, yet if the FBI had listened 14 yrs ago most of these people were viable.

Baaaaaa was another name.

Now I find out the woman he took great efforts to locate on our trip in 1979 had the maiden name of Baaaaaa. She had a nephew by the name of Hxxxxx which he also claimed to know.

I went back 31 yrs later and found this damn stuff the FBI could not be bothered with in 1996. In 1996 - some of the individuals where still alive.

Oh well, I can try and try but, the trail is so cold and without the help of the FBI in obtaining records I am dead in the water.

Blevins is totally incorrect in stating the FOIA - you have to have Names for the jumpers or serial numbers - to do that. But I heard from my Researcher and she is going to see what can be done...but it will be a couple of wks before she can do this.

If I knew where to look and who to see I would drive up there myself. I need the beginning rosters for every class and the ending roster - the missing ones are the names to check. HINT HINT FBI - it is easy as pie for you guys - just a PHONE CALL.

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He immediately gets off the road and stumbles across the rail spurs - from an old logging camp. He follows that to the Chelatchie Mill were a pump car was kept. He hops on and its the rails - he has to make as much time as he can.

Nice fantasy Jo but it ignores a lot of previously discussed counter arguments. Show me ANY hand operated pump cars in operation in that area in 1971. They were long gone from railroading by then, replaced by powered "doodlebug" cars that were not left on spurs ready for any passerby to fire up and take a joyride. Railroad history is richly documented, even very obscure logging lines. Also, track switches were locked in place. Those locks were typically VERY rugged and could withstand axe blows without breaking. If a car was stored on a siding, the mainline switch would be locked in a position that would prevent the car from entering onto the mainline.

The fantasy about Duane hand pumping his way through the woods on a railcar in 1971 ignores Safe's Lens of Logic. It'd a made up hypothetical event of extremely low probability constructed to make things work in a
story that would otherwise fall apart. It's like Duane finding a saddled horse or a jeep full of gas with the keys in it, or a helicopter. Surely the CIA taught him to fly rotorcraft.

South African historic aviation has taken some major blows lately. Chris Schuute (sp?) owner and pilot of one of only two remaining airworthy passenger DC 6 aircraft died and Thunder City is shutting down flight operations. Thunder City was a remarkable operation that restored high performance UK cold war jet fighters and offered thrill rides and flight test services in supersonic planes. One of their EE Lightning jets sufffered a problem in flight during an air show and the pilot could not get the ejection seat to fire. He died in the crash and things went downhill from there.

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Jo I am not trying to Dog you, but your story just changed. in post #19697 you state Duane said, -"Over there" (if was beyond a treed area)" is where WE used to jump".

There are three seperate posts earlier on in this thread where you state he said that is the spot where THEY used to jump.

Second, a few posts back AGAIN you proclaim you were "lighting up a cigerette" because you found the missing piece and it was "over" you had your answers. Well, If you have the answer and it's "over" Why do you need this information? It's done?

QUADE- I have never chimed in on the Snowman thing. This came into my mind as i watched the news and Obama pardoned a turkey. Will ya think about this please? Grant him a pardon of sorts. turn him back on between Thanksgiving and Christmas, if he keeps his nose clean it is extended. One outburst he is gone and his name is NEVER spoken again on DZ.com. What do you think????

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Skywhuffo stated:

Jo I am not trying to Dog you, but your story just changed. in post #19697 you state Duane said, -"Over there" (if was beyond a treed area)" is where WE used to jump".

Jo states:

The story about what he showed me in Ft. Benning has not changed.

He pointed out some buildings and said that was were we stayed and just a bit north of there is when he pointed out an area beyond some trees and said over there is where we used to jump. I take this to mean that maybe there was a training tower located in that area also. I have never seen pictures of the grounds of Ft. Benning nor have I ever been on the BASE.

How did I change that story - explain to me exactly what you mean? Remember I am recalling a trip we made in the early 80's - nothing I thought significant, but one of those little stories I want to know the truth about - who was we and why would he point out a location and even make such a remark. I am trying to recall all of the things he said...even when he made it sound like it was about someone else.

Remember I am in my 70's and time is taking its toll on my memory hence I do the best I can do. I still do not see how that story has changed. I am trying to remember as many details as I can...and I am now trying to remember the most remote details I can.

377:
The 2 senarios are just that senarios of what I am trying to piece together. The stories regarding witness, the places Duane took me and the things he said....just trying to unravel it all. Those 2 senarios were not meant to be accurate - and the only way we will ever know is to go out there and walk the areas with OLD maps to filter our the developement. Having an old timer present who knows how it used to be would be helpful - but, the longer this is put off the less chance there will be anyone who is capable of doing this.

You are wrong on the handcars.
I have spoke with extensively a person who worked at that old mill back in those days - and in 1971 - there was still a cart there and functional and there may have been more. There would have been NO switches for that area as the tracks ended above the mill.

I would have to ask as there might have been a switch down further South as this spur merged with another track...if Cooper had experience with the things he could have done that.
The switches were still manual in those days...and the carts were equiped with the tools to do this.

I heard about more carts kept closer to Battleground, but never verified this. There was supposedly an area these where kept in. Maybe they used them to get fire equipment and men in the areas faster......! Read up on this and you will find this was method used to get the guys to the problem faster.

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Second, a few posts back AGAIN you proclaim you were "lighting up a cigerette" because you found the missing piece and it was "over" you had your answers. Well, If you have the answer and it's "over" Why do you need this information? It's done?

That is still true - but, I have to find the physical evidence to support the things I feel I know.
What I was referring to was the overwhelming realization that Duane had actually told me about the crime and other things in his life - in the third party. The FBI wants me to put him on that plane. Period!

It was finding somethings I really don't want to discuss in this forum - but something that needs to be investigated and I have already stated part of that.

1.The FT. Benning records, for instance.

2.Duane's time in the CO and surrounding areas below there.

3. The flood of memories that came up on me with just one name "Paperlegs" and then finding out the things Paperlegs was involved in and the time periods. It meant the things Duane told me about that were true. The things the ex-wife told me where true. Exactly what Duane's involvement was - the FBI needs to investigate (and as I have told them before - the SS no. on John Collins should tell them a lot). To my knowledge they never researched the John Collins work record - maybe they didn't need to do so.

4. The realization that Duane had NOT lied about the things he did nor his life - he just omitted certain things and told the story like it was someone else.

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Jo,

I know that you are sincere but be very careful trying to extend known facts where Duane told the truth to cover area's where he might have lied.

Very often tall tales are based on half truths and over time people forget details and people who can validate stories move on.

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Jo,

I know that you are sincere but be very careful trying to extend known facts where Duane told the truth to cover area's where he might have lied.

Very often tall tales are based on half truths and over time people forget details and people who can validate stories move on.

Now that was a mouthful. Exactly what I have been accused of many times over the yrs.

"be very careful trying to extend known facts where Duane told the truth to cover area's where he might have lied".

You and others just don't get it.
He would tell me things about an area we would visit - but, it was obvious he knew these places well (rarely did that man ever use a map). Then he would tell me a story about that area. Sometimes it would be 'we' or 'the guys' and other times it would just be a piece of history as far as I was concerned.

I can understand his having been in this area or that area such as OR and WA, but when I went out there in OCT. and did my searching. I came home with lots more information than I had before I left. Individuals he told me about - were REAL people and they were just where he said they were. The woman who had the shop is dead and so is her nephew - so I haven't been able to verify his link to the area. When I turned this over to the FBI several individuals where still alive that are now deceased.

I know there is a truth that goes with the Ft Benning story - He used someone elses serial number and name to re-enlist, but got found out real fast. Now the person whose place he took may have been unaware of this joker using his name and number. Question - would not the authorities have contacted the person whose name and number Duane used? He simply told me about a man who went into the service - one who had been kicked out, but used another persons serial number and name to enlist again. He was not using this story to fill in blank spaces in his life.

He told me many things about Phenix City which is near the base - hence he WAS there. But what NAME did he use and WHEN was he there. Because Paperlegs was a name he mentioned several time in our marriage - I chose 1945 - 1947 as my target dated for Duane being in the Ft. Benning area.

Then I find this man who he spoke fondly of was also in the CO and AZ area in the same time frame Duane was there. 1960 - 1964 or 65. By the end of 65 Duane was in Kansas City.

I made these connections yrs ago and got made fun of, but that was before I realized how Duane's mind worked and how he managed to keep his past from me. He spoke about himself in the 3 person. The time frames are the time frames I have asked repeatedly for the FBI to fill in - IF they did indeed checked his back ground then they will have his SS records and know who he worked for and when. The had both SS number and the names. Now if they are pulling BLANKS during those yrs. then those yrs need to be re-examined.

FACE it! If the FBI had those records don't you think they would have told me and sent me documentation to get me off their backs?

Speaking of extending known facts - Blevins is far more in out field than I have ever been. I gave the FBI names of people Duane was in associations with and NO one ever told me where this was. I saw the pictures on the wall at T1s house - that place was a place to KEEP people out of and not inside...therefore I do not believe T1 was in prison.

T1 knew T2, but T2 was the one Duane WARNED me about. T2 is also the person who told me "Duane knew people in High places and if you want to be around to play with your grand kids destroy what you have and never look back". he never told me from where knew Duane nor Duane from where he knew T2.

Duane had told me T2 was a dangerous man - and I was never to be alone with him. T2 knew Duane as John and not Duane. Now if T2 was a dangerous excon - the FBI should have told me NOT to approach him as he didn't live to far from me. Yet, Duane called T2 dangerous?

T1 was a very nice family man - and I really could not believe this man was anything but legitimate. Because of his nationality - I really think Duane's connection with T1 was in AZ, MX, and CO - and because of his nationality - perhaps a covert. I wonder if there are any old photos of the encampments in CO and the "In Plane Site" in AZ.

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Very often tall tales are based on half truths and over time people forget details and people who can validate stories move on.

Exactly what has happened. In 1996 there were people who could validate my story, but NO one would go talk to these people and if they did it was not documented. The system was so fragmented or corrupt (depending on which way you look at it) the left had didn't know what the right hand was doing. This 14 yr delay could also be by design.

Because of the secrets kept from me about my husband's past - I have to lean toward the later. If they knew where Duane was during all of those yr. and knew he WAS not Cooper - there was NO EXCUSE in their not taking me to their office and showing me the paper work and the records. BUT - NO I got NOTHING other than what AGENT CARR - posted on this forum.

Now do anyone of you think that is the way to handle an investigation if the person has been cleared? I recieved a short letter within 2 yrs and a reply to a phone call I made in the 4 th yr. The agent told me information I knew was FALSE because I was holding government RECORDS in my hands as I was talking to him. He did call me back and say he had made an error, but at NO time has ANY official produced written doumentation about Duane's past and the extent of the investigation.

ALL I got was what AGENT CARR posted in this forum. I have NEVER recieved WRITTEN documentations about Duane's past and it has been over 14 yrs. That is 14 yrs of my life the authorities thought was expendable...IF they actually had any proof Duane was NOT Cooper.

Well, I don't have to say "What do you think I think?" IF the authorities had conclusive proof Duane Weber could NOT be Cooper they would have provided that information yrs and yrs ago.

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Jo,

You make the same point about the FBI over and over:

incompetent
uncaring
inaccurate

Larry Carr had his faults. We all do. But he was here and he did have a dialogue with you, me and many others on this forum. You complained to his superiors and ruined the opportunity for further public forum dialogue with him.

Why you think the FBI owes you anything is puzzling. It's not their job to prove to you that Duane wasn't Cooper. They might do something as a favor, but I can't think of why any FBI agent would be inclined to do you any favors. You tried to mess up Carr's carreer. That's unacceptable behavior on any Internet forum. You were mean spirited and vindictive.

Your grief about how the FBI is responsible for you spending 14 years chasing info that they might have isn't going to get much sympathy here. It's all been your choice Jo. The FBI didn't make you start or continue anything.

Stop complaining about the FBI and put Duane in a parachute. Don't expect any help from the FBI. That's not going to happen.

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377 says in part:

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'Jo, You make the same point about the FBI over and over:

incompetent
uncaring
inaccurate

Larry Carr had his faults. We all do.

I don't agree with raking Carr over the coals and making him leave off from posting here. No.

However, I do agree that the FBI screwed the pooch from the very start on the Cooper case, and it has hurt them. Another thing is their refusal to cooperate with the public, even though they had the nerve to post videos ASKING for the public's assistance.

Then in 2008 they swallow Cossey's assessment of the parachute and refuse to discuss it. What's the harm with having the chute analyzed for nylon or silk by an independent lab? Or to find out what it REALLY is? What's the harm in their Public Relations officer answering questions from legitimate sources...such as senior reps for the History Channel. Even though the contact was agreed to in advance, the PR officer had 'no comment' to every single question History Channel asked! I read the report myself. They emailed it to me for comments.

I'm sick and tired of the FBI's public relationship with the case. THEY are the ones who came forward in 2007 to 're-open' the case. THEY are the ones who asked for help from the public. But they are not cooperative. With anybody.

They couldn't solve the Cooper case if the frickin' Book of Directions dropped into their laps.

Ah the answer is very simple. It is a grand conspiracy and Duane did the deed, not Kenny. Duane did it to fund Nixons cover-up. E-bay refused to sell the rifle he had used in the Kennedy assassination, which really upset him and so he reverted to the hijacking. Because he lost one of the buckets of cash, Nixon had to go to plan B resulting in the whole Watergate scandal. It turns out that Duane had actually pocketed a substantial part of the cash and used it to setup a secret research facility into nano-thermite

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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We've speculated before that a possible reason for the money never being found was that someone had taken it somewhere (Asia, possibly even Africa) where dollars were widely used in circulation. Many of these might never have found their way back to the US.
On that subject, an interesting anecdote from a colleague just back from a visit to Zimbabwe, where the Zim dollar has been abandoned and SA rands and US dollars are the currencies most used. He said some of the dollar bills he saw were so used, so dirty, that you actually could not see at first glance what denominations they were! I still think it's entirely possible that the Cooper bills ended up like this.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Ah the answer is very simple. It is a grand conspiracy and Duane did the deed, not Kenny. Duane did it to fund Nixons cover-up. E-bay refused to sell the rifle he had used in the Kennedy assassination, which really upset him and so he reverted to the hijacking. Because he lost one of the buckets of cash, Nixon had to go to plan B resulting in the whole Watergate scandal. It turns out that Duane had actually pocketed a substantial part of the cash and used it to setup a secret research facility into nano-thermite

You left out the MLK connection, and the Freemasons.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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377 Stated;

"incompetent
uncaring
inaccurate

Larry Carr had his faults. We all do. But he was here and he did have a dialogue with you, me and many others on this forum. You complained to his superiors and ruined the opportunity for further public forum dialogue with him".


Jo States:

Larry Carr had only one purpose in entering this forum - publicity. I AM NOT responsible for Larry Carr leaving the forum.

Larry Carr made public records available on line regarding Weber without having first communicated such records to me nor did he provide the legal documentations for the above records. That is the only complaint I made to the FBI. Carr could not contain himself with the information he was making public and it was his OWN failure to follow procedure that was his down-fall. NOT, mine.

You will notice he posted for a very long time after he made the post - regarding Weber's records, therefore there were OTHER things and not my complaint that causes his demise on this thread.



377 states;

"Why you think the FBI owes you anything is puzzling. It's not their job to prove to you that Duane wasn't Cooper. They might do something as a favor, but I can't think of why any FBI agent would be inclined to do you any favors. You tried to mess up Carr's carreer. That's unacceptable behavior on any Internet forum. You were mean spirited and vindictive".



Jo States:
The FBI owes the public the courtesy of investigating the background of each suspect. In Duane's case - they WERE NOT able to find all of the files or to fill in the holes of his background nor did they provide me with any of this - until CARR posted a bried list in the forum.

As for CARR, I did not try to mess up his career. That was his own doing nor was I mean spirited or vindictive. You do know he was PROMOTED, don't you. It was his own actions and his own demeanor that got him taken off of the Cooper case - not any complaint I might have made.



377 stated:

Your grief about how the FBI is responsible for you spending 14 years chasing info that they might have isn't going to get much sympathy here. It's all been your choice Jo. The FBI didn't make you start or continue anything



Jo States:
Not looking for sympathy - I want answers now and not after I have passed on. You, are damn right it has been MY CHOICE, because if I didn't do it NO one was going to do it.[/b;ie]If others choose to sit on their hands for whatever reason that is their problem.

PS: Don't blame anyone for Carr's demise from this thread other than his own failure to follow procedures and we do NOT know for a fact that is why he stopped posting here nor do we know if it is the reason he was transferred.

Just a little something I think ALL of you need to know. Several months after CARR stopped posting here - I called the FBI office about some information, I was transferred to CARR's "cell" phone and therefore he was still the agent of record.

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Ah the answer is very simple. It is a grand conspiracy and Duane did the deed, not Kenny. Duane did it to fund Nixons cover-up. E-bay refused to sell the rifle he had used in the Kennedy assassination, which really upset him and so he reverted to the hijacking. Because he lost one of the buckets of cash, Nixon had to go to plan B resulting in the whole Watergate scandal. It turns out that Duane had actually pocketed a substantial part of the cash and used it to setup a secret research facility into nano-thermite

You left out the MLK connection, and the Freemasons.

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Sorry poor research on my behalf. The Worshipful Master at Duane's local lodge was a senior CIA operative. He contracted Duane in to provide insight into how MLK's jacket got lifted the evening before. By coincidence a young Larry Carr joined the masons and Duane provided a character reference, forever ensuring that the FBI would not investigate the crime.

Good enough?

Now in researching all this I discovered a link between MLK and your previous post proving that you are involved and have a vested interest.

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Two months after King's death, escaped convict James Earl Ray was captured at London Heathrow Airport while trying to leave the United Kingdom on a false Canadian passport in the name of Ramon George Sneyd on his way to white-ruled Rhodesia.[133]

It is no coincidence that you mentioned Zimbabwe in your previous post

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Her story differed on only one detail. She said the money was NOT turned in to her, but found by a boy who gave it to his parents. Then the parents turned it in to their bank to be sent along to the Treasury Department for replacement, since some of the bills were damaged.

What is it with kids finding coopers money?

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Jo
re Carr
People here are not as stupid or ignorant as you seem to think they are.
Your protestations notwithstanding, 377 was spot on, on ALL his points.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Jo
re Carr
People here are not as stupid or ignorant as you seem to think they are.
Your protestations notwithstanding, 377 was spot on, on ALL his points.

Moreover - WE LIVED THIS!

If Jo doesnt like the company why doesnt she get
off the boat!