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Jo, what ever happened to your Night Clerk?

He is in China and I talked to his ex-wife (they are good friends). She said he is well and still teaching there, but well ingrained in the China culture. He was in a remote area of China - and the internet excessibility just did not exist.

How convenient. And how does she keep in touch with him?

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As for your night clerk... well, Blevins may not have been at Ariel but at least we know he actually exists

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Nice try! Pick on some of the FBI's other most recent mistakes
and poor judgement. Time they start redeeming rather than demeaning themselves.

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As for your night clerk... well, Blevins may not have been at Ariel but at least we know he actually exists

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You do forget that the NIGHT CLERK actually walked into the Portland FBI office with a written statement and that CARR did eventually call him, but never went to inteview him while he was in the states for surgery.

What riled me was the fact I had given the FBI the Night Clerks Contact information after he contacted me as a result of a story in the Oregonian. They had that information for 7 yrs or more and DID not talk to him until he walked into their office.

Nice try! Pick on some of the FBI's other most recent mistakes and poor judgement. Time they start redeeming rather than demeaning themselves.

Sorry, let me rephrase that. A man exists who claims he was a night clerk. He is conveniently inaccessible in remote China yet somehow manages to communicate with you, and for some reason feels a need to go all the way to the US for surgery (what surgery was it, Jo?) that he for some reason cannot get in Beijing or Shanghai? If he's lived in remote China for so long language surely isn't a barrier to that.

And what, I'm meant to get upset that Carr was too busy chasing bank robbers - you know, actual criminals here and now that might hurt people - than run after some guy with a wild story? Or get upset that the FBI did not contact him when you claim he is so inaccessible in China?????? Some LOGIC would be nice here, Jo.

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From a tour company:

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Excellent medical care is readily available in China at hospitals and clinics in major cities. Doctors generally do not have private offices outside the hospitals. Our tour guides are well trained to handle emergencies and will make all necessary arrangements. Medical care in China is not that expensive as in western countries[/quote]

From another discussion board:
***Medical care in China is all about money just like the United States. If you have money, you can buy the same medical care that exists in America. Money opens hospital doors and pays the rent for the surgeon’s scalpel. For most tourists, medical care costs less due to the yuan exchange rate of almost seven yuan for one American dollar. However, if a tourist doesn’t have access to easy money (credit or savings), she could be denied care equal to the best in the world.
It is also good to know that a Chinese hospital will pay more attention to foreign patients, because China wants to look good to outsiders.

So again I am very interested in this story about needing to go back to the US for "surgery".

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I too am surprised that the Night Clerk would travel all the way to the US for surgery. I sure wouldn't if I lived in China. They have some excellent surgeons there, you just have to know who they are.

The top end of Chinese medicine is very good. They have the very best stuff, latest MRI machines, latest surgical robots etc. Many of the top surgeons are in the military, but they operate on civilians in the major hospitals such as those in Beijing. You may be operated on by a high ranking General in the People's Army, really.

Top end US style medicine in China isnt cheap, but it's less expensive than the US by quite a bit.

I thought the Night Clerk did all his FBI contacts by phone. I didnt know that he walked into the local office in Seattle.

Sheridan Peterson spent a lot of time in China and even made some jumps there. Pete is the oldest skydiver in the history of Chinese parachuting. He was there for the Tiananmen Square protest too. Pete does get around.

I think Pete still reads this forum, but he wont post. I just want to know if he heard about the Air America 727 jumps when he was in Nam. I'd guess that the info was quickly spread in the close knit SE Asia jumper community.

Someone had to get the spark of an idea for a skydive hijack. It was triggered by something. I never thought of it and neither did any jumpers I have talked to.

Cooper's idea was innovative and not at all obvious. His crime surprised thousands of "know it all" jumpers. They hadn't thought of this one before Cooper did. The most innovative stuff jumpers came up with back then was jumping into nudist colonies and brothels, the latter with really bad results:

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Is anyone planning on attending the DB Cooper thing in Ariel, WA this year?

Greg Page, AB of Seattle tech advisor, and yours truly will be there. I tried to talk Greg into dressing up like Flo Schaffner, bouffant hairdo and all, but he wasn't going for it.

Blevins - did you not post this?

In another post you even told us what hat you would be wearing?

So Jo why are you going on and on at Blevins about this? I mean, I realise it's a lot easier than more trying to connect non-existent dots to Duane, but still.

As for your night clerk... well, Blevins may not have been at Ariel but at least we know he actually exists

I think we need EVERYONE from the thread to come to Ariel for next years shindig on the 40th. I want to talk Mike into setting up some demo jumps down at the park by the dam. He knows the peeps there at the Ariel Tav... pretty good.

Come on.. come for a visit.. Fly into Seattle next Mid November for vacation.

I think that par Tay may end up being EPIC

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Sorry, let me rephrase that. A man exists who claims he was a night clerk. He is conveniently inaccessible in remote China yet somehow manages to communicate with you, and for some reason feels a need to go all the way to the US for surgery (what surgery was it, Jo?) that he for some reason cannot get in Beijing or Shanghai? If he's lived in remote China for so long language surely isn't a barrier to that.

I have explained this before - he is a veteran and had to come back to the states to have a kidney remove (I have forgotten how much the tumor weighed).
He was at the Veterans Hospital in Portland.

He stayed in the states for several months before going back. He has been unable to communicate with me for a while now because of where he was in China. He had to take a long train trip into where he could have internet communications.

There are places in China that are still very remote and undeveloped. He teaches English. That is all I know.

He had come to the states prior for a physical and they didn't find the turmor, but he got ill in China and the CHINESE found the tumor. He did not have the money to have it done there and came back to the states for the surgery and let Uncle Sam pay for it. Now you know and I am sure he does not appreciate his medical history being posted on the internet. I think he will understand why I finally had to do it.

His last name was the same as one of the passengers on the flight - just pure co-incidence?


Regarding Blevins:

Many times have I been quoted in past emails to justify a comment made several pages before?

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Blevins made this post prior to the Ariel Shindig:

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I regret titling the book '...the True Story of DB Cooper'. That was not my choice, but Skipp Porteous insisted on it since he's 95% convinced KC was Cooper. I'm at 80-90%, but I will freely admit we still have no smoking gun, although I think we're getting closer. But 'getting closer' is not certainty. I can't change the title without screwing up the metadata at Google, Amazon, Bowkers, Ingram, and changing the ISBN. More hassles, more money. So it is what it is. We present our full case in January, and pull the other version of the book. Then we're moving on.

On a side note, I'm still planning to attend next weekend's Cooper celebration in Ariel. I won't be there to 'push' the book or make a big deal of it. In fact, I'm not going to tell anyone who I am unless they ask. I hope to see some of you there. I'll be the one in the Washington Huskies hat.

Still Planning to attend the Cooper Celebration - and would be one of the guys in the WA. Huskies hat! Then he turned around and claimed he forgot or had no intentions of going.

Gottcha! as one of Duane's bosses used to say - one who lived in Seattle by the way.

*** For crying in a bucket, Jo. I'm waiting for you to go NA NA NA NA NA.
Am I missing something here? He posted that he would be there next weekend and the post is dated November 27, right? That would make it this weekend. Even if I'm wrong, how many times have you made plans and then changed them? I'm with 377 on this one...give Blevins a break.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Sheridan Peterson spent a lot of time in China and even made some jumps there. Pete is the oldest skydiver in the history of Chinese parachuting. He was there for the Tiananmen Square protest too. Pete does get around.

Sheridan Peterson and Richard A. Peterson - ARE the related?
You know why I am asking that question.

Richard Peterson was a smokejumper and he also had the necessary experience.. being active CIA from 1960 to 1973 gives him the connection and actually makes him more of viable suspect than Sheridan.

Frankly - if I had to place a bet right now - my money would be on Richard Peterson having a connections to the incident before I would tag Sheridan. He had the background and the accessibility and Duane knew Paperlegs. The ex-wife verified Duane knowing Paperlegs...but not being computer savy until a few yrs ago, I didn't know how to check Paperlegs backgound and I didn't know all of Duane's background.

I didn't know the things he told me in 3rd person were actually stories about his own escapades.

Check out 1945 - 504 Capt. Wiley Cooper in charge of Parachute Maintenance. What is this? Just a little bone thrown my way and I haven't a clue what it means.

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I think we need EVERYONE from the thread to come to Ariel for next years shindig on the 40th....

Come on.. come for a visit.. Fly into Seattle next Mid November for vacation.

I think that par Tay may end up being EPIC

Now this sounds like a fun idea. I attended the 50 year reunion of the Pelican Skydivers back in Septemberr and it was terrific fun.

Attending a party for the 40th anniversary of my jump--I mean DB's jump--would be a real blast.

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[There are places in China that are still very remote and undeveloped. He teaches English. That is all I know.

He had come to His last name was the same as one of the passengers on the flight - just pure co-incidence?


Regarding Blevins:

Many times have I been quoted in past emails to justify a comment made several pages before?

Re the 3 points:

1. Confuses me too. It seems odd that there would be demand for English in such a remote and inaccessible place. English language tuition is usually required by people who either interact for business or, as many Chinese do and I am sure you know, go on to undergrad or grad school in the US. In other words, while I know there are remote places, there are also nearly half a billion internet users in China and demand for English tuition is most likely to come from them.

2. Re the same name. Wow, no there is no such thing as coincidence. It must have been all preplanned.

3. I'm not sure what your "many times" comment is really trying to say, but you really seemed to be trying to score points against Blevins and seemed inordinately pleased with the story that your 'source' fed you. (Much as you might get criticised on your thinking and arguments here, Jo, I don't think anyone has ever expressed pleasure or schadenfreude at something that may have been a negative for you.)

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I think we need EVERYONE from the thread to come to Ariel for next years shindig on the 40th. I want to talk Mike into setting up some demo jumps down at the park by the dam. He knows the peeps there at the Ariel Tav... pretty good.

Come on.. come for a visit.. Fly into Seattle next Mid November for vacation.

I think that par Tay may end up being EPIC

Amazon, I would love to. But do you have any idea how FAR Seattle is from where I am - it is probably literally close to halfway round the world ie the furthest trip I could make

Edited for clarification:
The circumference of the Earth in kilometers is 40075 km, and the circumference of the Earth in miles is 24901.
Distance from Cape Town to Seattle:
Distance is 16424 kilometers or 10206 miles

OK so not quite halfway but still...

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I think we need EVERYONE from the thread to come to Ariel for next years shindig on the 40th. I want to talk Mike into setting up some demo jumps down at the park by the dam. He knows the peeps there at the Ariel Tav... pretty good.

Come on.. come for a visit.. Fly into Seattle next Mid November for vacation.

I think that par Tay may end up being EPIC

Amazon, I would love to. But do you have any idea how FAR Seattle is from where I am - it is probably literally close to halfway round the world ie the furthest trip I could make

Edited for clarification:
The circumference of the Earth in kilometers is 40075 km, and the circumference of the Earth in miles is 24901.
Distance from Cape Town to Seattle:
Distance is 16424 kilometers or 10206 miles

OK so not quite halfway but still...

Well get on with the planning then.. and yes I did know you were WAY south and East. Think of it as a brief Summer interlude to Americas version of Crappy English weather.

Not really cold... but certainly what I loving call perma-drizzle season here in the Pacific NorthWET.

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Now this sounds like a fun idea. I attended the 50 year reunion of the Pelican Skydivers back in Septemberr and it was terrific fun.

Attending a party for the 40th anniversary of my jump--I mean DB's jump--would be a real blast.

The timing is correct, Guru. The statue of limitations will have run out. In fact that is all being done now. Look at all the Book dates that have been pushed back!

The last dollars the FBI will spend on this case is to archive it and place all the documents in one place - Washington, DC. As far as the FBI is considered this case is being Official Closed.

How do I know? Don't even guess - let's just say a "snitch" told me. Perhaps all of these writers out here are already aware of this and why they delayed their books.

Soon the files will be available thru the FOIA and anyone will be able to study them...the government will use these files to Make money and let the public do the investigation. Many of these files will be destroyed or black out .

What the government will not destory will be useless information.

Again RECORDS destroyed just to protect NATIONAL SECURITY!
When they finish their project there will be no files of any value on this crime.

Every dept. of this America has been corrupted. There seems to be no end to all of this. The public is powerless to stop the atrocitities commited in the name of Democracy.

Destruction of the Norjack files is appalling. What is in those files that they find so necessary to destroy?

Yrs ago the CIA approached a man whose story I did not believe and told him to cease and decease his activies regarding Cooper, because it was matter of National Security. I didn't believe this man and now I know why he has never released his book - which was written YRS ago. His book is purportedly going into print now.

I had been told the man was "sick" just as you guys call me "sick" and "delusional". Perhaps he is the only one who got it right...he just didn't have "ALL" of the story. Others have called this man a "con" of sorts, but maybe he really knew too much. I didn't believe some of the things he told me - NO, I am not referring to Knoss. This man has been OFF the radar for yrs., but he knew he had stumbled onto something...and when he tried to expose it - It was a matter of National Security!

Now his story can be told and every crack pot in the US can make up anything they want about the Skyjacking of Nov 24, 1971. He only had PART of the story...and I had the other half and now the records that could prove it are being destroyed.

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I have been to Seattle, years ago, and loved it but other than the Puget Sound national park (is that the right name?) and ...um... Sea-Tac airport, haven't been anywhere else in the area. Ah, wish I had the time to go everywhere I wanted to!!!

Oh btw I was in Seattle for 3-4 days and for almost all of it there was no rain!! I was told this was very unusual.

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"Soon the files will be available thru the FOIA and anyone will be able to study them...the government will use these files to Make money and let the public do the investigation. Many of these files will be destroyed or black out."

Jo,

For a self-described “dumb blonde” you sure do blather on in an authoritative manner about things that you know nothing about.

I promise you there is NO WAY any agency can “make money” from FOIA request. Document storage and retrieval is a VERY expensive process.

While I’m not a lawyer (although I play one on TV), I was once (in another life) a "Derivative Classifier" and spent a lot of time writing FOIA exemptions.

The FBI can prevent any documents (of their choosing) from FOIA disclosure as long as they were classified (or in some cases, not classified) for certain purposes.

Here are some of the reasons (abstracted and simplified from 5 U.S.C.§ 552(b)):

Freedom of Information Act Exemptions
The Freedom of Information Act entitles the following exemptions on documents being requested by the public:

1. Those documents properly classified as secret in the interest of national defense or foreign policy;

2. Related solely to internal personnel rules and practices;

3. Specifically exempted by other statutes;

4. A trade secret or privileged or confidential commercial or financial information obtained from a person;

5. A privileged inter-agency or intra-agency memorandum or letter;

6. A personnel, medical, or similar file the release of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;

7. Compiled for law enforcement purposes, the release of which

- a) could reasonably be expected to interfere with law enforcement proceedings,

- b) would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication,

- c) could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy,

- d) could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a confidential source,

- e) would disclose techniques, procedures, or guidelines for investigations or prosecutions, or

- f) could reasonably be expected to endanger an individual's life or physical safety;

8. Contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports about financial institutions that the SEC regulates or supervises; or

9. And those documents containing exempt information about gas or oil wells.


Please pay attention to #7 a – f. If the FBI doesn’t want you to have them… you won't get them… pure and simple.

Your ranting and raving about this destruction of case data (FBI work product) reminds me of how you got all bothered because I mentioned a certain character from a book that used a nickname that was the same as one used by a “real person”. You swore that she had people watching this thread, she was going to sue you, you would lose your house, and be a homeless widow. Did that happen? No… it didn’t.

I know you’re getting older, and you’re tired of this chase, for that I have empathy… But for God’s sake… drop the “drama queen” crap. It wears me out!

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You have snitches. I have a former state attorney general who answers legal questions regarding the Cooper case.

Hey! So what?

I’ve got credit down at the grocery store and my barber tells me jokes! So there!

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Hey! So what?

I’ve got credit down at the grocery store and my barber tells me jokes! So there!

Na Na Na Na Nuu Nuu (orange1 made me do it)

Well, if Orange1 tells you to jump out of a plane, would ya!?!

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

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She has...

I haven't...

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But when the orange one [orange1] tells you to do it... you have to... it's some kind of law or something!

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What I said or tried to convey:

Repeat of first paragraph;

The last dollars the FBI will spend on this case is to archive it and place all the documents in one place - Washington, DC. As far as the FBI is considered this case is being Official Closed.


Sluggo:

You missed the point all together of what I am trying to say. They will blackout or destroy every name and or lead ever presented. ALL LEFT will be the RAW facts of the crime (or what little they want the public to know). The secrets they have kept will NOT be in the files available to the public.

I understand they will NO LONGER investigate anyone in regards to this crime nor will there be anything available other than what someone can get by physically going to the location of the files that they do keep. ALL supsect files will be destroyed. All investigation reports will be destroyed. Such as hotel reports and witness report - one agent who did several of these interviews did NOT take the 1st written note.

Witness testimonies will be sealed forever and/or destroyed.

What will be left will be useless.
What is left will be up to interns or maybe someone who just tosses things because they do not understand the importance of the report - hotel registration for example..


Personal example - the Social Security Office sending me their annual notice - but this time they said I owed them X number of dollars (thousands).
To contact their office to arrange payment.

After three months 3 visits to the IRS and SS. 35 phone calls to the SS...I (me the dumb blonde) found the error the SS had made.
When I found it I had been in the ER 2 times and my health damaged even more (as if I need that) - this was Jan, Feb and Mar of 2010.

I had CPA's go over the tax files to see if anything was wrong. We could NOT get the SS to send an explanation of what created this debt of several 1000's of dollars.

I went days without sleeping continually going thru the tax files - what could have created debt". Then I received a notice I would not be getting the next check.

I studied and studied the SS records and Tax records - I found it and it was THEIR error and not my error. When I told the young man on the 33rd phone call - it was like a light went on for him. The SS called me on a SATurday morning to tell me it was their error and I didn't owe them any money. But I went thru 3 months of HELL and we could NOT even get them to send me PROOF of DEBT. Ti took 2 more phone calls before I felt comfortable with this.

Since I heard horror stories (one man was sent a notice for 10's of thousands of dollars). He killed his wife and himself. Do you think the SS (our government) ever accepted responsiblility? One woman was making 50 a month payments to repay a debt she didn't owe out of her $600.

FBI agents and SS agents - what's the difference - they think if they can't see it on the computer there is NO problem.

How are they going to know what to shred or blackout. For instance, should Georger be someone who was making these decisions, he would destroy anything and everything about the gound witness reports (obviously he had access to them as he put the reports with the witness name and address on this forum).

Yrs ago the CIA approached a man whose story I did not believe and told him to cease and decease his activies regarding Cooper, because it was matter of National Security. I didn't believe this man and now I know why he has never released his book - which was written YRS ago. Now he will be able to print the story, but he will have NO files to support his claim.

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What the heck. People on this forum jump out of perfectly good airplanes all the time. Sometimes they

Perfectly good airplanes? Surely you jest. Here's a local one I've made a few jumps from:

http://avstop.com/news_october_2010/faa_fines_the_parachute_center_for_aircraft_maintenance_failures.htm

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Jo,

I have to be careful what I say here (based or georger’s recent suspension), what I WILL say, is based on your last post, it is my opinion that you evidently don’t understand the size and complexity of what YOU refer to as “the Government”.

Your last post also underscores your “entitlement mentality”. I see this in your post all the time i.e. “Someone must help me… or The FBI won’t take action even though I gave them the info… etc”

The fact is… you have to paddle your own canoe, “the Government” is not your mother, your slave, or your big brother! If someone is having problems with a government agency and they decide to commit suicide because of it, it is THEIR decision, THEY are responsible, not some public servant or group of public servants.

I’ve dealt with you for some time now, I know your behavioral characteristics and I would wager that your issue could have been resolved in a few phone calls (or letters) rather than 33. The fact that you know it was 33 says something about how you addressed the issue. Federal employees don’t like people who think they are ‘owed” something or think federal employees are their personal servants. Neither to they respond well to “drama queens”!

Why didn’t you complain and try to get them fired (the way you did with Ckret)?

Jo, there are a lot of people here (on DZ.com) who would help you if you just changed you approach to trying to seek help. I think that I have helped you, but it isn't easy to work with you.

Try honey... instead of vinegar.

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What the heck. People on this forum jump out of perfectly good airplanes all the time. Sometimes they

Perfectly good airplanes? Surely you jest. Here's a local one I've made a few jumps from:

http://avstop.com/news_october_2010/faa_fines_the_parachute_center_for_aircraft_maintenance_failures.htm

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Getting up to jump altitude may be the most dangerous part of the jump. Just as getting to the airport is the most dangerous part of flying. And I have a head full of stitches to support the last statement.

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Geeze - I have more than you do, but I don't have your words to do it with. Ask those who know me and have seen what I got - I have way more than you do. I guess it all comes down to who's sword is sharper.

The FBI agents have told others (individuals besides myself) that Christiansen Is Not Cooper and the same goes for Weber. This information is second hand from 2 different souces who HAVE been able to sit down with an agent.

I do not believe both sources are lieing - but in the case of Cooper - it usually is who has the sharpest sword...you have your words...I have my emotions and my personal involvement.

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What the heck. People on this forum jump out of perfectly good airplanes all the time. Sometimes they

Perfectly good airplanes? Surely you jest. Here's a local one I've made a few jumps from:

http://avstop.com/news_october_2010/faa_fines_the_parachute_center_for_aircraft_maintenance_failures.htm

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Duuuuude whats the problem... you are planning on getting out anyway