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Jo are you implying the FBI is simply incompetent or has a vendetta against you?
QuoteI would also like to know more about this ticket agent. a photo would be great.
I don’t know why I am doing this, because I don’t think you are very serious. If you had taken my (and others) advice you would have found these photos posted previously. This photo from a newspaper article is in horrible condition, but it is the only one I know of.
Now, if you really want to find out “the facts” of this case… do a little digging!
The previous post is: HERE.
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QuoteQuoteI would also like to know more about this ticket agent. a photo would be great.
I don’t know why I am doing this, because I don’t think you are very serious. If you had taken my (and others) advice you would have found these photos posted previously. This photo from a newspaper article is in horrible condition, but it is the only one I know of.
Now, if you really want to find out “the facts” of this case… do a little digging!
The previous post is: HERE.
while I appreciate your advice, I wasn't able to access the link you posted the first time, and 2 of them this time say they are expired.
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I don't understand.
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I don't understand.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteI would also like to know more about this ticket agent. a photo would be great.
I don’t know why I am doing this, because I don’t think you are very serious. If you had taken my (and others) advice you would have found these photos posted previously. This photo from a newspaper article is in horrible condition, but it is the only one I know of.
Now, if you really want to find out “the facts” of this case… do a little digging!
The previous post is: HERE.
while I appreciate your advice, I wasn't able to access the link you posted the first time, and 2 of them this time say they are expired.
The two links Sluggo gave in the previous post worked for me less than one minute ago.
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got the links to work now.
I appreciate it!
wish there was better quality pics of this "Hal Williams" because, just going by this pic anyway, He looks like he's related to me, on my fathers side.
I appreciate it!
wish there was better quality pics of this "Hal Williams" because, just going by this pic anyway, He looks like he's related to me, on my fathers side.
You have to be a mental case or someone wtih a vendetta!
You can't change the FACTS of the case - The ticket agent wrote the name.
Now you are claiming to recognize the Ticket Agent.
I have asked you for some very specific information that you have not provided, but you even evaded that. I didn't ask for this information to be disclosed in a post - but, privately.
You refuse to take genuine help and now I think you are getting a charge out of all of this attention. You are treating this thread like a game!
Frankly I think you are someone here for only one purpose - to trash this thread so NO one will want to read it. Maybe you are Agent Carr taking revenge under another avatar in a new location.
He is in the DC area and being an FBI agent he can create - connections.
Note: His replies to my posts - sounds like someone we all know...what in the world did I say in my post about the DNA that cause him to ask me about a vendetta?
What do you think Guys!
You can't change the FACTS of the case - The ticket agent wrote the name.
Now you are claiming to recognize the Ticket Agent.
I have asked you for some very specific information that you have not provided, but you even evaded that. I didn't ask for this information to be disclosed in a post - but, privately.
You refuse to take genuine help and now I think you are getting a charge out of all of this attention. You are treating this thread like a game!
Frankly I think you are someone here for only one purpose - to trash this thread so NO one will want to read it. Maybe you are Agent Carr taking revenge under another avatar in a new location.
He is in the DC area and being an FBI agent he can create - connections.
Note: His replies to my posts - sounds like someone we all know...what in the world did I say in my post about the DNA that cause him to ask me about a vendetta?
What do you think Guys!
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I think you are full-of-shit!
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QuoteI think you are full-of-shit!
Why would you say that? What did I say that is full of shit! Or was that post meant for Jamie or was it actually meant for me?
OH! I get it you think I am full of Shit because I think Jamie and Carr could be one and the same.
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Jo, my website is www.jamiecooper.net, perhaps one of the photos there might help illustrate why I feel this "Hal Williams" could pass as a relative.
I don't recognize him, and haven't even remotely suggested so.
I would be willing to submit to testing to see if he is a relative though. does anyone know of other examples of his handwriting? (specifically not connected to the DB Cooper case)
I don't recognize him, and haven't even remotely suggested so.
I would be willing to submit to testing to see if he is a relative though. does anyone know of other examples of his handwriting? (specifically not connected to the DB Cooper case)
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QuoteI think you are full-of-shit!
That will be enough of that.
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Sorry... It wasn't meant to be as ugly as it looks on the printed page.
Jo,
I apologize. I meant to imply that Agent Carr probably doesn't have time to be playing games on DZ.com. My choice of wording was poor.
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I apologize. I meant to imply that Agent Carr probably doesn't have time to be playing games on DZ.com. My choice of wording was poor.
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He may not be playing games, but he IS watching.
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
While searching for info on Arvidis J. Kiperts, I stumbled across this newspaper article that (for some reason) I had never seen before:
Woman searches for clues as elusive as D.B. Cooper
Sunday, August 13, 2000 By Margie Boulé, Columnist, The Oregonian
For more than a week, a handful of people scattered around the country have turned from the present to look back, to pull from their memories the face of a man they looked at, briefly, too long ago. He called himself Dan Cooper.
In the media frenzy that followed his successful skyjacking of Northwest Airlines Flight 305 on Nov. 24, 1971, he was mistakenly called D.B. Cooper. It stuck. Today millions remember the man by a name he never used. And a handful believe they still remember a face they hardly saw.
For five years, a Florida woman named Jo Weber has searched for the truth about her late husband. Eleven days before his death in 1995, in one of his last moments of lucidity, Duane Weber told Jo he had a secret: "I'm Dan Cooper." The name meant nothing to Jo until later, when a friend told her that D.B. Cooper actually had referred to himself as Dan Cooper.
Duane always had been secretive about his past; now Jo began to recall odd bits of information, objects and incidents that made her believe her late husband may, in fact, have been the skyjacker. He had a history of incarceration. He had a history of military service. He chain-smoked and drank the same liquor Cooper had drunk on the flight. She'd once seen an old Northwest Airlines plane ticket that disappeared after she asked about it; Duane had taken her on a trip to the Northwest and had driven her to a spot in Southwest Washington where he told her Cooper had walked out of the woods.
After five years of personal investigation and after becoming frustrated when the FBI did not launch an extensive investigation based on her suspicions, Jo decided to go public with her search. U.S. News and World Report printed her claims in late July. Several newspapers ran stories soon after.
But last week Jo still was trying to locate witnesses who might have seen Cooper on the day of the skyjacking in 1971. In particular, she was looking for two witnesses: William Mitchell, a college student who'd been flying from Portland to Seattle to go home for Thanksgiving and who had been seated near Cooper, and stewardess Tina Muklow, who Cooper kept with him in the back of the plane during the return flight south from Seattle after he released the passengers and received the $200,000 ransom money and parachutes he'd demanded.
After Jo's story ran in this column, pieces of the Cooper puzzle began to turn up. Eye witnesses -- or those who knew them -- cautiously, reluctantly, began to write or call.
William Mitchell was called Billy Mitchell when he was a student at the University of Oregon, several men informed me. One woman remembered taking an Italian class with him at UO: "He had to give a speech in Italian, and he told the story of the flight with D.B. Cooper." Childhood friends of Mitchell called and e-mailed, offering to find him.
Finally, William Mitchell's daughter wrote on his behalf. He did not want any more public attention, she said. He does not live in Oregon. But he would be willing to look at pictures of Jo's late husband and tell Jo if this was the man he remembered.
Several people called with the phone number of a man named Hal Williams. Then Hal called.
"I was the Northwest Airlines gate agent who worked on Flight 305," Hal said. "I personally saw Dan Cooper, and I was probably one of the few people who ever saw him without sunglasses."
Hal had his fill of media attention back in the 1970s, he said. In fact, the whole Cooper incident became a burden over time.
"I looked at hundreds of pictures over the years," he said. "You can't believe how many pictures, over and over and over. The FBI came to my house frequently. I suppose it was exciting at the beginning but then it got to be a real pain. I wished that I'd never been there. It just never seemed to end."
Still, Hal has not pushed out memories of the event that has been strapped on his back all these years.
"It was a raging, rainy, stormy day," he recalled. "A nasty day. As I explained to the FBI years ago, he was conspicuous. This was 1971, when we wore polyester and plaid and funny shoes and gaudy shirts. The boarding area had lots of businessmen dressed just like that. All except this one man, Dan Cooper, who was dressed all in black. It was unusual: black pants, shoes, black raincoat. It was like he was trying to hide, in black. But when you try to look inconspicuous, sometimes you make yourself even more conspicuous.”
"He stood right smack in front of me while I was doing the things you do when checking people in at a ticket counter and boarding area," he said.
Later, Hal was one of the witnesses who helped the FBI create composite drawings of Cooper. "But I never did think they were very good. They didn't look like him at all. But I was just one of many who helped put them together."
Hal doesn't own a computer, so a friend went to the Oregon Live Web site where this column and two old photographs of Duane Weber were displayed. He printed out copies, and Hal took a look. He said he did not recognize Duane. But after he learned from Jo that the photos were taken as many as 10 years before and about 10 years after the skyjacking occurred and that Duane was like a chameleon who often changed his appearance, Hal asked Jo to mail him more photos.
He said he's happy to help Jo. And he'd still like to see Cooper apprehended. It bothers him that Cooper became so famous after the skyjacking. "He's not a hero, he's a criminal, and they celebrate him because he got away with it," Hal said. "It's ridiculous."
Jo particularly wanted to find former Northwest Airlines stewardess Tina Muklow. She had discovered, in her research, that Tina had become a Catholic nun. But she'd been unable to locate her.
Last week, a Catholic journalist telephoned and said she had met and spoken with Tina, who changed her name when she took her holy vows. It's not yet known whether Tina will be willing or will be allowed to meet with Jo or look at pictures of Jo's late husband. But even if her request is denied, at least Jo will know she has left no stone unturned in her attempt to get answers.
Even if all three witnesses -- the passenger, the stewardess, the gate agent -- do examine Jo's old photos of Duane, they may not be able to provide a definitive answer to her question: Was her late husband D.B. Cooper?
Because even though these three people were dramatically affected by Cooper's crime, 29 years can pull memory a long way from the truth; trying to stir recognition from too-old photographs may be futile, like watering last year's crop.
They say memory paints pictures. Cooper's crime may be a landscape that has become too dark to see.
You can reach Margie Boule at 503-221-8450, 1320 S.W. Broadway, Portland, OR 97201, or marboule@aol.com.
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Woman searches for clues as elusive as D.B. Cooper
Sunday, August 13, 2000 By Margie Boulé, Columnist, The Oregonian
For more than a week, a handful of people scattered around the country have turned from the present to look back, to pull from their memories the face of a man they looked at, briefly, too long ago. He called himself Dan Cooper.
In the media frenzy that followed his successful skyjacking of Northwest Airlines Flight 305 on Nov. 24, 1971, he was mistakenly called D.B. Cooper. It stuck. Today millions remember the man by a name he never used. And a handful believe they still remember a face they hardly saw.
For five years, a Florida woman named Jo Weber has searched for the truth about her late husband. Eleven days before his death in 1995, in one of his last moments of lucidity, Duane Weber told Jo he had a secret: "I'm Dan Cooper." The name meant nothing to Jo until later, when a friend told her that D.B. Cooper actually had referred to himself as Dan Cooper.
Duane always had been secretive about his past; now Jo began to recall odd bits of information, objects and incidents that made her believe her late husband may, in fact, have been the skyjacker. He had a history of incarceration. He had a history of military service. He chain-smoked and drank the same liquor Cooper had drunk on the flight. She'd once seen an old Northwest Airlines plane ticket that disappeared after she asked about it; Duane had taken her on a trip to the Northwest and had driven her to a spot in Southwest Washington where he told her Cooper had walked out of the woods.
After five years of personal investigation and after becoming frustrated when the FBI did not launch an extensive investigation based on her suspicions, Jo decided to go public with her search. U.S. News and World Report printed her claims in late July. Several newspapers ran stories soon after.
But last week Jo still was trying to locate witnesses who might have seen Cooper on the day of the skyjacking in 1971. In particular, she was looking for two witnesses: William Mitchell, a college student who'd been flying from Portland to Seattle to go home for Thanksgiving and who had been seated near Cooper, and stewardess Tina Muklow, who Cooper kept with him in the back of the plane during the return flight south from Seattle after he released the passengers and received the $200,000 ransom money and parachutes he'd demanded.
After Jo's story ran in this column, pieces of the Cooper puzzle began to turn up. Eye witnesses -- or those who knew them -- cautiously, reluctantly, began to write or call.
William Mitchell was called Billy Mitchell when he was a student at the University of Oregon, several men informed me. One woman remembered taking an Italian class with him at UO: "He had to give a speech in Italian, and he told the story of the flight with D.B. Cooper." Childhood friends of Mitchell called and e-mailed, offering to find him.
Finally, William Mitchell's daughter wrote on his behalf. He did not want any more public attention, she said. He does not live in Oregon. But he would be willing to look at pictures of Jo's late husband and tell Jo if this was the man he remembered.
Several people called with the phone number of a man named Hal Williams. Then Hal called.
"I was the Northwest Airlines gate agent who worked on Flight 305," Hal said. "I personally saw Dan Cooper, and I was probably one of the few people who ever saw him without sunglasses."
Hal had his fill of media attention back in the 1970s, he said. In fact, the whole Cooper incident became a burden over time.
"I looked at hundreds of pictures over the years," he said. "You can't believe how many pictures, over and over and over. The FBI came to my house frequently. I suppose it was exciting at the beginning but then it got to be a real pain. I wished that I'd never been there. It just never seemed to end."
Still, Hal has not pushed out memories of the event that has been strapped on his back all these years.
"It was a raging, rainy, stormy day," he recalled. "A nasty day. As I explained to the FBI years ago, he was conspicuous. This was 1971, when we wore polyester and plaid and funny shoes and gaudy shirts. The boarding area had lots of businessmen dressed just like that. All except this one man, Dan Cooper, who was dressed all in black. It was unusual: black pants, shoes, black raincoat. It was like he was trying to hide, in black. But when you try to look inconspicuous, sometimes you make yourself even more conspicuous.”
"He stood right smack in front of me while I was doing the things you do when checking people in at a ticket counter and boarding area," he said.
Later, Hal was one of the witnesses who helped the FBI create composite drawings of Cooper. "But I never did think they were very good. They didn't look like him at all. But I was just one of many who helped put them together."
Hal doesn't own a computer, so a friend went to the Oregon Live Web site where this column and two old photographs of Duane Weber were displayed. He printed out copies, and Hal took a look. He said he did not recognize Duane. But after he learned from Jo that the photos were taken as many as 10 years before and about 10 years after the skyjacking occurred and that Duane was like a chameleon who often changed his appearance, Hal asked Jo to mail him more photos.
He said he's happy to help Jo. And he'd still like to see Cooper apprehended. It bothers him that Cooper became so famous after the skyjacking. "He's not a hero, he's a criminal, and they celebrate him because he got away with it," Hal said. "It's ridiculous."
Jo particularly wanted to find former Northwest Airlines stewardess Tina Muklow. She had discovered, in her research, that Tina had become a Catholic nun. But she'd been unable to locate her.
Last week, a Catholic journalist telephoned and said she had met and spoken with Tina, who changed her name when she took her holy vows. It's not yet known whether Tina will be willing or will be allowed to meet with Jo or look at pictures of Jo's late husband. But even if her request is denied, at least Jo will know she has left no stone unturned in her attempt to get answers.
Even if all three witnesses -- the passenger, the stewardess, the gate agent -- do examine Jo's old photos of Duane, they may not be able to provide a definitive answer to her question: Was her late husband D.B. Cooper?
Because even though these three people were dramatically affected by Cooper's crime, 29 years can pull memory a long way from the truth; trying to stir recognition from too-old photographs may be futile, like watering last year's crop.
They say memory paints pictures. Cooper's crime may be a landscape that has become too dark to see.
You can reach Margie Boule at 503-221-8450, 1320 S.W. Broadway, Portland, OR 97201, or marboule@aol.com.
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Good find. I don't think I've seen this either.
I've got some articles on Kiperts but they basically just tell about the bank robbery and note and then regurgitate the cooper tale -- doubt they'd be of any use to you.
I've got some articles on Kiperts but they basically just tell about the bank robbery and note and then regurgitate the cooper tale -- doubt they'd be of any use to you.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
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QuoteI have to tell you I was a bit tough on Galen Cook, especially on his 'Janet the Witness' story he tried to sell to Scott Schwebke of the Utah Standard-Examiner.
I've corresponded with Galen in the past and found him to be a sharp and open minded guy. I can't see him believing that part about "Janet" seeing Cooper on the 727 steps, which makes me wonder if there is something I am missing or some part of the story is being distorted. Still, Janet's alleged description of the flare following an arcing descent path caught my attention because it isn't intuitive and it is exactly what you'd see if a flare were tossed. You see it when skydivers exit with smoke.
Galen isn't a dummy, far from it, so whats up with the Janet story?
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Jo,
If you had managed the crime scene after the 727 landed Duane would have been identified as Cooper in a few days.
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