DB Cooper

[CaretakerAl 0]

"Duane NEVER mentioned a milk can...."

Mac, Jo, Mac. Not Duane. Mac! I never talked to Duane after August 1968. I talked to Mac up into 2000 or so I think.

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Radio vectoring and sighting the lighted pump station as a jump point make any sense? I don't know about any of this stuff, just what was said.
KAJW4899 out.

I have a hell of a lot of night jumps.... From 10K.... not buyin the lit anything... expecially with clouds below you.

And I wanna see you jump ... with one of the radios of that time period... Even the Motorola handheld BRICKS we used at the USAF Survival School at the time of the early 1970's.. were not exactly jumper friendly ... cumbersome comes to mind... and since DB did not have a drop bag ...

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No, no. no. no. Cockpit radio. And yes, you can see the pump house from 10,000 feet. It is brighter than a lighthouse.

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No, no. no. no. Cockpit radio.

Pssstt

Pretty sure ol DB was not on the flight deck

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I respectfully decline to respond. EOM

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what are you claiming? that a milkcan was used based on Jo's testimony and that of an anonymous source that you logged in the past?

For someone claiming such a High IQ how in the world do you think testimony about a "milk can" is the subject of the post you quoted. He is talking about individuals who have approached me with information, but information they would deny if questioned by others.

The best example I can give of this was my enquiry into the Ft. Benning Records. An official in Ft. Benning told me something through a private number he provided and suddenly he wasn't there and then he was in WA and then he was back in Ft. Benning, but this time claiming he didn't remember the conversation.

I have better examples involving retired CIA, FBI and Government heads of state and retired military involved in JMWave. Yes, our government was there and some of these guys made pictures and kept documents they WERE not supposed to. I doubted some of these stories, until picture made in Viet Nam started to surface that where NOT supposed to exist.

Look at the things this thread found - things never before revealed - or simply never made public knowledge...such as the 727's being used prior to 1969 for delivery of goods. It was Snowmman I believe who found my proof. Even 377 was surprised by this.

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Jo, it is not worth your effort. Please ignore him. We know what we need to know and he is just a troubled man. Don't be upset with him, I think he is just trying your patience. Jamie, cut it out, please. The lady has enough grief without your harassment. Take a clue and lay off! Trust us, you have been misled and we are all sorry. Face facts and cowboy up.

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He was instructed to dress like a BYU student on Thanksgiving break, along with the BYU medallion he dropped, to blame it on "The Boys." They didn't wear combat boots to class back then.

Then wouldn't it seem like the operators would have recruited someone who looked more in line with that generalized age group? Tongue in cheek alert....Maybe someone around Jamie's dad's age
As opposed to Duane's age of approx 46? You've got to admit that in pictures of Duane in that time frame he hardly looked like your idea of a classic college student.

Good ONE! I hadn't thought about responding to AL that way - Maybe being here is a good idea...perhaps he will see the fallacy of some of his "memories". I had heard his story many times - but certainly did not think that one thru.

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[CaretakerAl 0]

Poke fun all you want, it does not change the fact of the matter. I can only report the way it was. If it doesn't suit your fancy, you can take it up with Duane. I will not twist the truth to make it easier for you to understand. You will have to twist to the way it was and accept it or disbelieve it in your own minds. I couldn't make up a more unbelievable story, and that was their intent. Nothing is as it seems. That is what made it such a clean operation, despite all the little things that went wrong. It is what it was and I will not lie about any of it. Just be silent about some things. Amazing how one's ego overpowers one's ability to accept something as fact. No skin off my nose. I'm content now, anyway you like. Be happy. Buy Blevin's book!

[JamieCooper 0]

I'd like to know how Jo sending me emails and private messages begging for my mothers maiden name, my birth certificate and phone number equal in any way, me harassing her?
in my part of the country, Jo would be considered an online stalker.

if DB Cooper landed between Ariel and Amboy, there are all kinds of places he could have easily hid and dried off.
at least as far as I can tell from google earth.
what about grist mill? shelter, a river to toss the 3 bundles in and a road to hitch a ride?

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Just the Fact:

Duane's health problem was NOT even diagnosed prior to 1970. If there was a diagnosis prior to that it must have been while he was in Jefferson, but the ex-wife did not mention it nor did Duane.
Duane had some high blood pressure issues and he was aware of his kidney problems but he was in relative good condition up until 1985.

Wooden Dowels? I hardly think that is logical. Flares would have been lighter and more useful.

I am unaware of Duane being in the "can" in Ms. at any time.

Duane worked for ONE company in KS prior and that was as John Collins in 1964 - 1966. He did not even have an insurance license, but he won all of the awards every month for Pyramid Life which had NOTHING to do with N.W. Airlines.



Now I will address specific quotes:


" think Jo indicated he had parked a car there"
The only time I have mentioned a car being parked was off of the old 500 near Sifton. All Duane said was "I know someone who left a car there one time".


"Jo refers to it as an old abandoned dairy farm with a cabin by the river".
The dairy farm I mentioned was on the Southside of Lake LaCames and it turnes out it was only a farm - but, most of the farms sold their milk to the dairies in the 40's. (It had a concrete block building I thought was a milking station and it probably was). A farm Duane showed me and told me he used to know the people who lived there and they had a son about his age.

Note this area (the farm house) had NOTHING to do with the jump or the DZ or target. A place Duane showed me and told me about.


"I respectfully decline to provide further information on your proposition. You have my PM. EOM "
What is this all about?


"Recommend any hotels in the area?"
If I go back I will stay in Vancouver at the Springhill suites.
All of that area is much closer than it looks on the maps. Providing there is no snow it is not a bad drive.


"How did DB spot his exit point given the circumstances of cloud under-cast, night, hight altitude, deviation from expected course and parachuting experience...to land near a place that he recognized."
Difficult question for Jamie and Al because they don't seem to know where the DZ was


"Occam keeps whispering in my ear: "live crooks do not abandon real money." I try to silence him but he is relentless. "
A live Crook on the move will take what he can carry and come back for the rest when it is safe. He didn't abandon it - he hid it.


"Frankly, with snowmman gone and georger gone, this thread has taken a nose-dive (IMHO). "
That is NOT why the thread has taken a nose-dive....it SANK to the bottom of Lake Merwin. Georger would have taken a lot of shots at Jamie and Al - and ended up in hot water again. He has a short fuse with certain personality types - like me.


"However, I fear that your quote above is not only “declarative” but “prophetic.” "
I think you are right there - unfortunately. At least we had a good run on productivity these last few yrs....a few upsets and a few casualties, but most of us survived and we all learned somethings never before made available to the general public about this crime.

It would be nice to get back to some sane posting because there are 4 Books coming out next yr. Yes, I said 4.

Cook on Gossett
Blevins on Christiansen
Grey on the Skyjacking
DS on Coffelt
Also there are 2 documentaries being aired.

There is another hush hush item in the works - I understand it involves the crew and all of the major players in the Skyjacking.

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caretakerAL
who told you about dz.com?

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'There is another hush hush item in the works - I understand it involves the crew and all of the major players in the Skyjacking.'

Prove it. Nothing stays secret in Seattle about the Cooper case. He's like Bigfoot here. Unless you mean the show next week, and I know Himmelsbach appears on that. That's not a secret.

Cook isn't coming out with a book. He can't write the final chapter. That's why he hasn't put it out yet, although he keeps promising each year. I wouldn't count on it.

even if there are 4 or even more books coming out, so what?
in my opinion that should be considered a good thing.
more interest in the case, and a greater chance for previously overlooked evidence to emerge.
if what those posting here is all honest, whats the big deal?

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'There is another hush hush item in the works - I understand it involves the crew and all of the major players in the Skyjacking.'

Prove it. Nothing stays secret in Seattle about the Cooper case. He's like Bigfoot here. Unless you mean the show next week, and I know Himmelsbach appears on that. That's not a secret.

Cook isn't coming out with a book. He can't write the final chapter. That's why he hasn't put it out yet, although he keeps promising each year. I wouldn't count on it.

I didn't say one word about a secret did eye! Yes, we are all aware of the documentary you mentioned and it is one of the 2 documentaries I made note of.

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in my opinion that should be considered a good thing.
more interest in the case, and a greater chance for previously overlooked evidence to emerge.

Yeah, I mean, all those book about the conspiracy to kill JFK, they got that crime solved! Jack the Ripper too! Bigfoot; everybody knows him now. UFOs? Hell we can even tell you what planet they're from now.

As long as people just keep coming out of the woodwork and claiming their shit stories are the real deal . . . we'll get there eventually . . . won't we?

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in my opinion that should be considered a good thing.
more interest in the case, and a greater chance for previously overlooked evidence to emerge.

Yeah, I mean, all those book about the conspiracy to kill JFK, they got that crime solved! Jack the Ripper too! Bigfoot; everybody knows him now. UFO? Hell we can even tell you what planet they're from now.

As long as people just keep coming out of the woodwork and claiming their shit stories are the real deal . . . we'll get there eventually . . . won't we?

I guarantee silencing all others and just focusing on the same old tired and proven wrong stories will never solve anything.
obviously proof is needed, and it's difficult to assume there is none before hearing what the claim is.
for example, if someone with authority to do such, would look in the "Willy Vocks" case file and see if there are prints of my fathers to compare with the DB Cooper prints, or if someone were to get a search warrant and search for the briefcase.
theres a good chance we would have proof. if I had the authority to make it happen I would.

from looking at google earth, I can't see why it's assumed he would have been outdoors longer than a half hour.
there are churches, stables, covered bridges, barns, literally hundreds of easy to find and use hiding spots, and this is not taking into account the vehicle traffic that must have been in the area driven by possible sympathizers, and or easily bought off accomplices after the fact.
quite a stretch just assuming he died and somehow that money made its way to tena bar on its own.
even if we don't take into consideration anything I said about the ability to tolerate cold.

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obviously proof is needed, and it's difficult to assume there is none before hearing what the claim is.

Nobody is silencing anybody before they tell their stories. That said, after we hear them and it's obvious the story is BS, it's actually kind of our duty to point that out.

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from looking at google earth, I can't see why it's assumed he would have been outdoors longer than a half hour.

I was unaware Goole Earth had detailed imagery (let's call that better than 10 meter) from that time period. Would you care to link that to us?

Oh wait . . . you can't . . . it doesn't exist.

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obviously proof is needed, and it's difficult to assume there is none before hearing what the claim is.

Nobody is silencing anybody before they tell their stories. That said, after we hear them and it's obvious the story is BS, it's actually kind of our duty to point that out.

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from looking at google earth, I can't see why it's assumed he would have been outdoors longer than a half hour.

I was unaware Goole Earth had detailed imagery from that time period. Would you care to link that to us?

Oh wait . . . you can't . . . it doesn't exist.

while this is true, the distances haven't changed, and most, if not all, of the buildings I'm talking about were built prior to the 1950's or at least made to appear so.

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I'd like to know how Jo sending me emails and private messages begging for my mothers maiden name, my birth certificate and phone number equal in any way, me harassing her?
in my part of the country, Jo would be considered an online stalker.
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Young man I am not begging you for anything - I made a request of you. I have some information that might help you understand the circumstances you find yourself in. NOT everything in life is a BLOG or utter chaos. There is one thing you can do - in the forum - post 5 pictures of yourself. Age 5, 15, 20 and 30 and 40 approx. The other question I asked was if your birth certificate indicated a witness present - such as a Dr or Nurse. and the county and state you were born in.

There are people in this world who prefer NOT to BLOG their lives in the PUBLIC EYE. Frankly I am afraid of you - as you come across as a very scary person.

If I called you it would be on a throw away phone - that is how scary you are. I possibily have information that might change your life - but the choice is yours.
We all make a lot of choices in life...

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while this is true, the distances haven't changed, and most, if not all, of the buildings I'm talking about were built prior to the 1950's or at least made to appear so.

While we're on the subject, why don't you tell us how you came to the conclusion you know the spot he landed?

Since you have Google Earth handy, maybe you can provide us with a lat-long.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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I'd like to know how Jo sending me emails and private messages begging for my mothers maiden name, my birth certificate and phone number equal in any way, me harassing her?
in my part of the country, Jo would be considered an online stalker.
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Young man I am not begging you for anything - I made a request of you. I have some information that might help you understand the circumstances you find yourself in. NOT everything in life is a BLOG or utter chaos. There is one thing you can do - in the forum - post 5 pictures of yourself. Age 5, 15, 20 and 30 and 40 approx. The other question I asked was if your birth certificate indicated a witness present - such as a Dr or Nurse. and the county and state you were born in.

There are people in this world who prefer NOT to BLOG their lives in the PUBLIC EYE. Frankly I am afraid of you - as you come across as a very scary person.

If I called you it would be on a throw away phone - that is how scary you are. I possibily have information that might change your life - but the choice is yours.
We all make a lot of choices in life...

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seriously lady, youre afraid of a person youre stalking?
jeezus christ get a grip on reality huh.
take some of your own advice there, post a bunch of pics of yourself in various ages just to satisfy some strangers ramblings, maybe throw your birth certificate in, hell just throw in the SSN so getting a credit card in your name is a no brainer while your at it.
to be perfectly frank, I don't fear much in this world, but I do fear dilutional stalker women who like to cry wolf about being frightened, and have shown animosity towards me since my first post.

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Careful with the stalker talk.

Nobody dragged you here and by all accounts you knew Jo frequented this forum before you showed up. Any exposure you've had to her as a result of you joining this forum is of your own doing.

BTW, this goes for anybody, if you don't like being exposed to individuals here and you think they're invading your privacy, you always have the option of simply leaving the web site. The moderation staff won't be able to track you down and even if we could we wouldn't pass that OR ANY OTHER information along to other users.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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while this is true, the distances haven't changed, and most, if not all, of the buildings I'm talking about were built prior to the 1950's or at least made to appear so.

While we're on the subject, why don't you tell us how you came to the conclusion you know the spot he landed?

Since you have Google Earth handy, maybe you can provide us with a lat-long.

don't have an exact location, just used local folklore that he landed to the southeast of Ariel, and the FBI estimates that he landed between Amboy and the cedar lake refuge area.
I'm guessing he might walk downhill instead of up?
hard to say?

plenty of hiding/dry off locations in the area, also in Amboy theres a tavern.
gonna try to find out how old.

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Careful with the stalker talk.

Nobody dragged you here and by all accounts you knew Jo frequented this forum before you showed up. Any exposure you've had to her as a result of you joining this forum is of your own doing.

excuse me? I can prove she keeps sending unwanted and unrequested, emails and private messages, asking for private information.
go ahead and boot me or whatever.
I had no idea who she was prior to coming here. I was asked to come by another party.
quite frankly this forum is biased to enable her to harrass and bully other posters who don't agree with her agenda anyway.
as of yet the only actually useful new info I've found here was from a banned user, and even that had been altered and misleading.

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human intervention seems the most likely and least convoluted. especially when, like you mentioned b4, it's almost the same amount as was offered to Tina Mucklow.
have you found confirmation on that yet?
very compelling if you have.
also do you have a opinion as to why he chose the clothing he did?