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Vickie: Good observation. I do not believe everything that is written and we all know that letter was sent AFTER the Skyjacking. I have a hard time believing what I just read and wonder if Galen actually said this or if it is not just more of the media doing its little twists and turns as they have done with me over the yrs.
Unless I hear it from the horses mouth - or in written documentation, I will leave it be.
Unless I hear it from the horses mouth - or in written documentation, I will leave it be.
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biggest problems with Jo's theory.
she remembers the event too clearly given the relevance at the time it happened.
why would her mind pick out and store away DW tossing a paper bag with unknown contents into the river?
and even if the memory is accurate, how does that make the leap from simply a paper bag to being at least 3 bundles of money thats found at Tena bar?
add to this her overzealous proclamations and flat out attacks to defend this stance and the whole story ends up hinging on a deathbed confession by a man whose mental state wouldn't be reliable enough to be accepted in a legal transaction.
I try to ignore your post but a direct attack - NO WAY. I have explained many times (if you would be so kind as to READ the thread) about the paper bag...I am the first and only person to put anything in that river and I didn't even know diddle squat about the crime. All I did was tell the FBI and Himmelsbach what I remembered. I didn't know if any of it had any significance. I did NOT know were Tena's bar was in relation to the place Duane put the bag in the water...all I had was a FICTIONAL book called D.B. Cooper What Really Happened...and had only read a small part of it before I was on the phone to the FBI.
I told that story that night in May of 1996 - one yr and 2 months after Duane died. Hell - I DIDN"T KNOW D.B. Cooper had called himself Dan until that night. I don't go around claiming memories of when I was 1 yr old.
Remember that Duane had been dead 1 yr and 2 months before I even knew who DAN Cooper was!
Being REPETIOUS - I had been reading a book about widow hood - the book gave useful hints when one starts to date.
If you date someone you would like to keep as a friend, but are not romantically interested in - you talk about you deceased. I told this guy the things Duane said while he was in the hospital.
Had it not been for him - I would NEVER have know who DAN Cooper WAS - and I did not read the book until about 3 wks later.
It was the only book available on the subject in our area.
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QuoteQuoteeven if Gossett sent these taunting letters, does that make him the skyjacker?
not unless the prints match imo
No more than smoking raleighs, buying stuff beyond ones means, throwing bags in rivers, confessing, or any of the other myriad anecdotal tidbits that have been related on this forum over the years...But you have to admit it would be a pretty interesting turn of events.
Just encase you guys have forgotten - Duane's sister only lived 13 miles from the place the letter was postmarked. A sister who BEGGED ME to leave the Past in the Past because she would not be able to face her friends.
I knew something was strange because when Duane wanted to go see her - after he went on dialysis - she told me we could come together, but she DID not him to come alone - that she was afraid of him. She never told me why, but I could not afford to take off from work nor the expense of 2 tickets to and from CA at that time.
What was STRANGE is the sister claimed to have met me - I did inform her that I had never been to CA in my life...but, she was insistent until that day in 2004 she actually got to meet me after her heart attack....only then did she finally understand that I was not the woman Duane had with him the 2 times she had seen him - 1971 and 1977.
This was when the ex fell in love with CA and when she and Duane went their separate ways - she moved to CA. Duane paid for it. Since he was not making a lot of money when she moved to CA - how did he pay for her move and then the subsequent airline ticket for her daughter who decided to join her? Duane had remarried.
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I don't go around claiming memories of when I was 1 yr old.
that belief was based on my mother telling me she sold the car from my memory before I was a year old.
as it turns out, and as I posted previously, that's not possible.
the song I remember hearing on the radio in that car was "Delta Dawn" which coincidentally enough was first released in November of 1971, so obviously the memory I have is from that time or after making me at least a year old.
the lyrics take on a new meaning when you consider who we were waiting in the car for.
which raises more questions, did my mother tell me the wrong date on purpose?
where was the power station I remember? it looks just like the one in Ariel Washington from the pics I've seen on the internet.
I'm not aware of ever being in Washington so why do I remember seeing it as a small child?
obviously my first thought is that it could have been a different one but I haven't been able to find any others that look like it on google earth.
my mother claimed that what I was remembering was a trip to pick up my father and that the car I remember was sold before I was a year old?
she sometimes claimed she knew he was DB Cooper the whole time then other times would deny it.
either way, she sold the car and always talked about how much she didn't want to, was out of work and somehow managed to buy a house by the time I was 3. (1973)
it never occurred to me to ask how she pulled that off on welfare.
my father told me he went to a bar made friends and set up a ride from the bar.
could He be talking about the bar in Ariel?
it would seem folklore in the Ariel area suggests this is exactly what DB Cooper did.
and is this why I remember this trip in the car? because it was a longer one than normal? I remember it being both day and night.
but until I have the briefcase, one of the bills, fingerprints or some other physical evidence, its all just theory.
Quotethis whole Gosset thing is asinine. have you seen the altered FBI sketches on the web, they've altered to look like Gossett?
should almost be considered tampering with evidence.
At least we agree on that.
I was the one who called the altered composite to the attention of the site. They were using the altered composite until I posted an unaltered composite for them to compare. 377 said he couldn't see the difference. But I could.
Cook had claimed that he had nothing to do with the altering of that composite. I was upset that the FBI would even allow this to happen - especially with the FBI number still on the composite.
When I started seeing that composite come up in ligitimate sites and overseas - I contacted the FBI about it.....because it just did not seem right that the FBI would let this just slide...therefore distorting the facts of the crime even more.
I went so far as to contact the sites and provide them with an unaltered composite. Strange as it may seem - the FBI didn't care.
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"Al, If you cannot verify your own statements why should anyone else
try? "
Who are you that I should spend the effort to give you a free-bee?
Dan Pasternak, Peter Jennings, Brit Hume and others held a round-table that was televised, discussing whether or not this story should be released. They concluded NOT. Hume stated he had verified the McCoy situation with George Tenant, but he did not mention Mac by name.
Sylvester Stallone dedicated "Rocky V" to Mac, but he did not mention his name, just his general deeds. Denny, Laurence, Cap, Dave, Karen, Jo, Judy, Mike, Mac, Jim, Nick, Ralph and a bunch more can also verify much of the truth. They just won't open up to you. NONE of them. Who are you to deserve the time? If you can't figure it out with what you have, you are not very bright. I cheated. I was there, no investigation necessary.
try? "
Who are you that I should spend the effort to give you a free-bee?
Dan Pasternak, Peter Jennings, Brit Hume and others held a round-table that was televised, discussing whether or not this story should be released. They concluded NOT. Hume stated he had verified the McCoy situation with George Tenant, but he did not mention Mac by name.
Sylvester Stallone dedicated "Rocky V" to Mac, but he did not mention his name, just his general deeds. Denny, Laurence, Cap, Dave, Karen, Jo, Judy, Mike, Mac, Jim, Nick, Ralph and a bunch more can also verify much of the truth. They just won't open up to you. NONE of them. Who are you to deserve the time? If you can't figure it out with what you have, you are not very bright. I cheated. I was there, no investigation necessary.
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Caretaker Al writes:
We are just curious commoners who dare to question members of the Cooper royal family.
Why act superior when someone politely asks you for some objective evidence to back up your extraordinary story?
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QuoteWho are you that I should spend the effort to give you a free-bee? ....Who are you to deserve the time?
We are just curious commoners who dare to question members of the Cooper royal family.
Why act superior when someone politely asks you for some objective evidence to back up your extraordinary story?
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Quote"Al, If you cannot verify your own statements why should anyone else
try? "
Who are you that I should spend the effort to give you a free-bee?
Dan Pasternak, Peter Jennings, Brit Hume and others held a round-table that was televised, discussing whether or not this story should be released. They concluded NOT. Hume stated he had verified the McCoy situation with George Tenant, but he did not mention Mac by name.
Sylvester Stallone dedicated "Rocky V" to Mac, but he did not mention his name, just his general deeds. Denny, Laurence, Cap, Dave, Karen, Jo, Judy, Mike, Mac, Jim, Nick, Ralph and a bunch more can also verify much of the truth. They just won't open up to you. NONE of them. Who are you to deserve the time? If you can't figure it out with what you have, you are not very bright. I cheated. I was there, no investigation necessary.
Al, Here is some friendly advice. Get an emergency appointment with your physchiatrist! Your are nuts! And this last conclusion is supported by some of the people you have apparently mentioned above.
Robert Nicholson
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I've been researching USMC aviation in SE Asia. Amazingly, USMC parachutists were dropped in the Phillipines from F3 Skyknight fighters, through the pilots escape hatch underneath the fuselage. The F3 did not have ejection seats. What was this training for?
F3s were deployed in Viet Nam as ELINT and ECM planes which was odd given their very advanced age (early 1950s aircraft). Their missions carried them far into the Northern "Route Packs" as the tracks were called. The planes were modified for the Viet Nam role at MCAS El Toro in CA.
From Wikipedia:
I now wonder if the F3 USMC paradrops were the first non emergency jet jumps?
The latest issue of the journal of the American Aviation Historical Society, of which I am a longtime member, has a very extensive article on the F3 written by a USMC aircrewman/historian who flew in them for many years. He mentions the paradrops in the Philippines.
Ths doesn't prove anything about who Cooper was but it is interesting. Is it possible that parachutists were dropped into North Viet Nam from F3s?
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F3s were deployed in Viet Nam as ELINT and ECM planes which was odd given their very advanced age (early 1950s aircraft). Their missions carried them far into the Northern "Route Packs" as the tracks were called. The planes were modified for the Viet Nam role at MCAS El Toro in CA.
From Wikipedia:
QuoteThe Skyknight was the only Korean war fighter that also flew in Vietnam (as also did the A-1 Skyraider attack plane). EF-10Bs served in the electronic countermeasures role during the Vietnam War until 1969. The U.S. Marine Corps retired its last EF-10Bs in 1970.
I now wonder if the F3 USMC paradrops were the first non emergency jet jumps?
The latest issue of the journal of the American Aviation Historical Society, of which I am a longtime member, has a very extensive article on the F3 written by a USMC aircrewman/historian who flew in them for many years. He mentions the paradrops in the Philippines.
Ths doesn't prove anything about who Cooper was but it is interesting. Is it possible that parachutists were dropped into North Viet Nam from F3s?
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QuoteAl, Here is some friendly advice. Get an emergency appointment with your physchiatrist! Your are nuts! And this last conclusion is supported by some of the people you have apparently mentioned above.
Let's cut out the name calling. There is one other possibility; it's satire.
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No, I'm not sure, in fact I'm sure they aren't correct. I was in a hurry and wrote it on a napkin. What I wrote on the napkin was 47-deg, it should have been 45. Sorry about that.
Now I have to read the 100 or so post that have been made since I left. I guess Galen "stirred something up." I'm anxious to read what all have to say.
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Now I have to read the 100 or so post that have been made since I left. I guess Galen "stirred something up." I'm anxious to read what all have to say.
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JamieCooper said:
I said I wouldn't "Feed the troll," but here is some troll food.
"Delta Dawn" has been recorded by a number of C&W artists: Tanya Tucker (1972), Hellen Reddy (1973), Bob Luman, Loretta Lynn, the Statler Brothers, Waylon Jennings, Kitty Wells, Dottie West, Teresa Brewer and Scott Walker.
So, which recording were you listening to?
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QuoteI was born in 1970.
coincidence that the song in the memory is from November of 1971?
WTF?
I said I wouldn't "Feed the troll," but here is some troll food.
"Delta Dawn" has been recorded by a number of C&W artists: Tanya Tucker (1972), Hellen Reddy (1973), Bob Luman, Loretta Lynn, the Statler Brothers, Waylon Jennings, Kitty Wells, Dottie West, Teresa Brewer and Scott Walker.
So, which recording were you listening to?
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QuoteJamieCooper said:
QuoteI was born in 1970.
coincidence that the song in the memory is from November of 1971?
WTF?
I said I wouldn't "Feed the troll," but here is some troll food.
"Delta Dawn" has been recorded by a number of C&W artists: Tanya Tucker (1972), Hellen Reddy (1973), Bob Luman, Loretta Lynn, the Statler Brothers, Waylon Jennings, Kitty Wells, Dottie West, Teresa Brewer and Scott Walker.
So, which recording were you listening to?
as was posted in the post you only partially quoted
presented here in it's original form
"according to Wikipedia,
The first recording of "Delta Dawn" was made by the song's composer Alex Harvey for his eponymous album released in November 1971.
I would have been a few months over a year old then.
lol I couldn't have been less than a year old.
I was born in 1970.
coincidence that the song in the memory is from November of 1971?
WTF?"
now why would you doctor a quote you claim is of my words, and call me a "Troll"?
truth requires no deception, why would you try to distort the truth like that?
RobertBlevins said:
Hmmmmm? I thought ALL airlines with "represented" [bargining unit/union] employees used the "Seniority/Bid" system of crew assignment. I guess NWA (Northwest Orient) was the one exception. Boy! You're sure good at this research stuff!
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QuoteNWA employees have repeatedly testified that flight crews often did not know each other, since NWA usually kept the same crews on the same routes.
Hmmmmm? I thought ALL airlines with "represented" [bargining unit/union] employees used the "Seniority/Bid" system of crew assignment. I guess NWA (Northwest Orient) was the one exception. Boy! You're sure good at this research stuff!
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QuoteNo, I'm not sure, in fact I'm sure they aren't correct. I was in a hurry and wrote it on a napkin. What I wrote on the napkin was 47-deg, it should have been 45. Sorry about that.
Now I have to read the 100 or so post that have been made since I left. I guess Galen "stirred something up." I'm anxious to read what all have to say.
if by "stirred something up" you mean altering FBI sketches to support his DB Cooper theory, and then posting them all over the web, misleading and distorting the truth to millions of people. then yeah, you hit the nail right on the head.
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QuoteNo, I'm not sure, in fact I'm sure they aren't correct. I was in a hurry and wrote it on a napkin. What I wrote on the napkin was 47-deg, it should have been 45. Sorry about that.
Now I have to read the 100 or so post that have been made since I left. I guess Galen "stirred something up." I'm anxious to read what all have to say.
47-deg vs 45-deg .... what? What is this about?
I must have missed this. Has something to do
with the money?
Farenheit or Centigrade?
MW = ~ 1,000,000
examples: hevea braziliensis (rubber band!)
Tg = -70C
Mp = 68F
You secretive guys with special info are driving me mashuganah!
But its Post Holiday Monday.
Where is my staff! Heads will role....
The bug control guy just left ... hasnt been here in a
year and is billing us monthly .... what is up wth that!? Now the VP is screaming "Get that SOB outta here! (bug control guy)". Why hasnt he been here in a year if we are paying him monthly??? Must have something to do with Knoss?
45 degrees what!?
47 degrees what?
Yes, some dna will fold at those temps.
Why does it matter? Will somebody answer their phone!!!!??? Where's my STAFF! ?
Next question!?
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And this last conclusion is supported by .....
Robert Nicholson
Gurny came through.
"And this last conclusion is supported by some of the people you have apparently mentioned above."
What would you expect? Full disclosure?? 'Crazy" would be a natural response, wouldn't it. It is self-defense in the simplest form. I'm probably a 'druggie' and on release from the padded cell also. I am just laying out the facts as they exist. These are fairly well-known facts that nobody cares to talk about. I'm not saying anything new, just grouping things in the real column. The book writers group the fiction stuff in their 'let's pretend' books. It is only fair to the true enthusiast to contrast a little truth to keep the interest peeked.
Duane floated some trash down the river to see where the money floated off to...simple. That won't work today. What the kid found is indicative of where the other $160K is, or floated past... The human intervention was the flooding. Nobody messed with the money. Mother Nature got it.
What would you expect? Full disclosure?? 'Crazy" would be a natural response, wouldn't it. It is self-defense in the simplest form. I'm probably a 'druggie' and on release from the padded cell also. I am just laying out the facts as they exist. These are fairly well-known facts that nobody cares to talk about. I'm not saying anything new, just grouping things in the real column. The book writers group the fiction stuff in their 'let's pretend' books. It is only fair to the true enthusiast to contrast a little truth to keep the interest peeked.
Duane floated some trash down the river to see where the money floated off to...simple. That won't work today. What the kid found is indicative of where the other $160K is, or floated past... The human intervention was the flooding. Nobody messed with the money. Mother Nature got it.
"I didn't say HOW crew members were assigned. I said that once they were, they often worked with the same people for a long period of time and often remained on the same route(s)."
Flights were posted and you could sign up or trade, but it was normally based on seniority as I heard it. Right? Holiday flights were not a flight of choice, so anyone with any seniority could easily swap to get one, particularly on milk-runs.
Flights were posted and you could sign up or trade, but it was normally based on seniority as I heard it. Right? Holiday flights were not a flight of choice, so anyone with any seniority could easily swap to get one, particularly on milk-runs.
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Found by Snowmman, after I searched in vain.
I had never heard of parachutists using fighters as jumpships. Few fighters had any extra room in the cockpit much less a means for someone to get out without jettisoning the canopy.
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I had never heard of parachutists using fighters as jumpships. Few fighters had any extra room in the cockpit much less a means for someone to get out without jettisoning the canopy.
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Blevins said..
QuoteBut the most ridiculous picture is also the most accurate. It's the one at the Coast to Coast Radio AM site showing Gossett at his own military retirement only 18 months after the hijacking. Shows a fat, old guy with hairy arms who looks NOTHING like the sketch. Don't take my word for it, go see for yourself.
It's the picture marked 'DB Cooper Suspect IV'
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/album/d-b-cooper-suspect
Regardless of the other merits (or lack) of Gossett being Cooper or matching the composite sketch, unless you have a picture of Gossett on November 24, your "hairy porker" argument doesn't hold a lot of water.
#1 - he had on a jacket so who knows what his arms looked like
#2. It is fairly easy to gain weight in a very short period of time. 18 months is a no-brainer. Trust me on this one.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
Caretaker stated to one of the posters:
QuoteWho are you that I should spend the effort to give you a free-bee?
Dan Pasternak, Peter Jennings, Brit Hume and others held a round-table that was televised, discussing whether or not this story should be released. They concluded NOT. Hume stated he had verified the McCoy situation with George Tenant, but he did not mention Mac by name.
No such meeting televised or otherwise ever occured.
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Duane floated some trash down the river to see where the money floated off to...simple. That won't work today. What the kid found is indicative of where the other $160K is, or floated past... The human intervention was the flooding. Nobody messed with the money. Mother Nature got it.
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Duane Weber did NO float test. When we left the area he threw the bag into the Columbia in Vancouver we crossed the river and took a ride along the South side of the Columbia in Oregon.
This drive along the Oregon side of the river ended when we turned around East of a point we could see Wahougal and the tressle on the opposite shore line. I do not remember how far we went beyond this point other than his mentioning a road that went to Mt.Hood.
My impression between the trip in 1979 and my recent trip in 2010 is that the Highway as it is today had not been completed at these points in 1979.
If this Constituted a "test" - what would have been the purpose of this if we were on our way to Tahoe? Please don't bother to answer, because the answer is "It didn't Happen".Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
BECAUSE as I have explained before THE BAG was not there when he left me in the car when he went DOWN to the shoreline. Straight down as his body just disapppeared with the head being the last thing I saw. He opened the trunk before he went down and after he returned. We made another stop at a big green tank along the river...when we got back into the car is when noticed the paper sack in the floor board...he had placed it there after going down to the river.
This man and I worked together and we traveled together. I mentioned that I had NOT see the sack before and he made a comment it was just some trash he was going to throw away. I always cleaned out the front seat and back seat...I am a NEAT FREAK. I like everything in its place - our cars where always clean as a whistle.
A sack in our car was NOT the norm...and very much out of place.
He made a point to direct me to the facilities and to the snack machines and told me he would be in the back. When I got out there - he was standing on the sea-wall and I asked what he was doing. He said "Watching that bag floating down the river".
I got MAD - because I never allowed my children to litter and he didn't. I even checked the trash barrels which had already been emptied by the clean up crews...because I just could NOT believe he would do that.
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