skyjack71 0 #20301 January 4, 2011 Quote Let's assume Duane put three, or maybe up to six bundles of the ransom in a paper bag and tossed them off the old Columbia River bridge. I know where this is, since I lived in Vancouver for about two years back in the early 80's. There are a couple of problems with this scenario. One is that the weight of the bundles would almost certainly have damaged the bag if the money were dropped from so great a height. If you had lived in Vancouver in 1979 and had read my story about the money in the bag you would know this. That hotel sat on the water in Vancouver - there were some pilings and this is where he put the money in the water. He DID NOT throw the bag from the bridge...so NO great height was involved and also note the bag I mentioned was far more sturdy than the paper bags of today. Note. that when they built the new Hotel - the pilings where change and raised - one used to be able to walk out to the end of the pilings and they were not very high. ----------------------------- Quote Assuming that the bag managed to reach the water reletively undamaged, it would soon become soaked and probably fall apart within seconds after hitting the water. The bag was already floating out of site when I got out there - I was just barely able to see it, but he could still see it. ------------------------------ Quote Even if the bag holds together long after it hits the water, the paper is still going to fall apart completely at some point, and the distance between the bridge and Tena Bar is quite a few miles. Did you do a test? Note that Tena's bar is NOT very far in that river...someone at one time gave me the distance by water. ------------------------ Quote That is a fair amount of weight in a small paper bag to be dropping off a bridge without damage to the bag. I WILL REPEAT ONE MORE TIME - HE DID NOT THROW IT OFF A BRIDGE! The new Red Lion is on that location now and the piliings are much higher than the old pilings.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #20302 January 4, 2011 QuoteOkay...I have to put a big hole in the 'tossed the money off the bridge' story. Let's assume Duane put three, or maybe up to six bundles of the ransom in a paper bag and tossed them off the old Columbia River bridge. I know where this is, since I lived in Vancouver for about two years back in the early 80's. There are a couple of problems with this scenario. One is that the weight of the bundles would almost certainly have damaged the bag if the money were dropped from so great a height. Strike One. Assuming that the bag managed to reach the water reletively undamaged, it would soon become soaked and probably fall apart within seconds after hitting the water. Strike Two. Even if the bag holds together long after it hits the water, the paper is still going to fall apart completely at some point, and the distance between the bridge and Tena Bar is quite a few miles. In this case, the chances of all the bundles washing up in the exact same spot is rather limited. Not Strike Three...you get a ball on this one, but the umpire is going to watch the next pitch real close. Side Note: The approximate weight of 3 bundles of the ransom is 600 grams, at 6 bundles, 1200 grams. This means the paper bag would have to contain at LEAST one and a third pounds to two and two thirds pounds of currency. That is a fair amount of weight in a small paper bag to be dropping off a bridge without damage to the bag. (*US paper currency weighs about one gram per bill.) Using information from Wikipedia and Wiki.Answers, I have calculated the volume and weight of 10,000 US paper bills. The volume is almost exactly 0.40 cubic feet and the weight is 19.2 pounds. The volume is surprisingly small (at least to me) and it may have been possible to put all the money in Cooper's attache case. I have two Samsonite attache cases from the late 1960s and the largest one has an interior volume of 0.5 cubic feet. To put it another way, you could put many more bills than Cooper had in even the smallest milk can. The weight of the money, plus its carrying bag, would probably have been about 22 or 23 pounds. But the relatively small size of the whole package may mean that Cooper didn't have as much trouble tieing the money to himself as originally believed. Robert Nicholson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #20303 January 4, 2011 This is how mucked up the media gets - one journalist quoted me as say Duane threw the money in the river in a SOCK. Yes, you read that correctly - A SOCK! There was no Sock or sack thrown from a bridge! I really thought you would rise above something like that with the History Channel special coming up. NOW, if something like that regarding Duane is presented in this special on History Channel - I will not only ask, but DEMAND equal time to defend the truth. In fact I would take them to TASK in court on that one. When I posted the above I read the following apology you made and got a real chuckle out of it. Raking you over the coals like a Roasted Chicken! Had to come back and edit this post so everyone else could see what happens when we jump on things - but, I loved your reply so much I let the post stand. Now, I owe you an apology. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamieCooper 0 #20304 January 4, 2011 can a guy stream it online? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #20305 January 4, 2011 July 2, 1969 Where was Mr. Cooper (Jamie's father) - and why was he arrested or questioned about the case? What do the county documents state? Did Mr. Cooper leave the area for a while due to the embarrassment of his being questioned in the case....? Perhaps one of you super sleuths would like to DIG up the files - Who was questioned in regards to Willie's death and what the Bradford Township actually believed happened. Since Jamie thinks his father was Dan Cooper - this might be a worth while effort on someones behalf. Where is SNOWMMAN - we need him! ---------------------- Minnesota Cold Case Spotlight: Willie Vocks 1969 death of Bradford Township farmer unsolved Mike Durkin mike.durkin@foxtv.com BRADFORD TOWNSHIP, Minn. - On July 2, 1969, the body of farmer William “Willie” Vocks was found outside on his farmyard property in rural Bradford Township in Wilkin County. Vocks died as a result of gunshot wounds. Robbery was a possible motive in the case Anyone with information is asked to call the Minnesota BCA tipline at 1-877-996-6222.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20306 January 4, 2011 QuoteUsing information from Wikipedia and Wiki.Answers, I have calculated the volume and weight of 10,000 US paper bills. The volume is almost exactly 0.40 cubic feet and the weight is 19.2 pounds. I'd like to see your math/sources on that because by just about all accounts a dollar bill of any denomination weighs 1 gram. 10,000 x 1 = 10Kg = 22 pounds. Here's my source; http://www.moneyfactory.gov/faqlibrary.html Another way to look at it is they say there are 454 notes in a pound. 10,000 / 454 = 22.026317 pounds.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obelixtim 150 #20307 January 4, 2011 Well you didn't actually answer the question about which version you listened to. Specialists in cognitive development will clearly state that in humans, memory recall only develops after the age of 3.My computer beat me at chess, It was no match for me at kickboxing.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #20308 January 4, 2011 Quote Well you didn't actually answer the question about which version you listened to. Specialists in cognitive development will clearly state that in humans, memory recall only develops after the age of 3. I am going to go out on a limb here and propose something very different all together. Take this scenario: What if the child had grown up hearing - your father was D.B.Cooper. Perhaps just for the fun of it because their names were really Cooper. Now put a strange twist on this story - since the mother and father were NOT married for a long period of time and divorced after the child was born. There are many questions to be answered. Did young Cooper's father - have other children? His mother we know had 2 other children by someone else. Jamie has never stated if his father had other natural children he fathered. If Jamie was the only seed - then this become territorial. What we have been told of Jamie's life doesn't feel natural...such as when the father took Jamie and held onto him during a time of unsettlement and only relinquished him when the baby started to fret. This sound like a father fighting to keep the only thing he had that was his very own. Then we have a mother who after the fact uses the child as leverage - claiming to have secrets. This does not have the feel of a loving mother who wants to shield her child. I have even stated that if Jamie's father had been Cooper - the reward money would have offset any lost his mother might have suffered in child support. There is more to this story than what Jamie knows or was told. There is something beneath the surface only the mother and father knew. Perhaps Jamie needs to explore with an open mind the circumstances of his birth.....perhaps he need to check into his birth records with his eyes open and with an open heart, because this secret is eating away at his life. If there was someone who was supposed to expose a secret to Jamie at a later date - that person may have decided that the timing was not right and that he might be better off know knowing...a person making this decision would destroy the evidence - NOT hide it away. This being the basis of what he heard all of his life - that would create false memories. The biggest puzzle is why did these 2 parents chose to perpetuate the story about D.B. Cooper. Why was the wife so resentful and why did she use the child as leverage, which according to Jamie's story seems to be the case? This is the reason I have "badgered" him for lack of a better word about his knowledge regarding the facts that surrounded his birth. In 1970 -in some states if an underage girl gave birth to a child she could give the child to the other parent if the other parent was married and could provide a stable home. It did not even require adoption papers in most states in 1970. Where is the house attorney and where is our child psychologist?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #20309 January 4, 2011 QuoteOkay, I apologize for assuming the bag was actually thrown from the bridge. I think there have been a few references to it and they mention the bridge. Well, maybe your theory works. I don't know. It would help your story if you actually saw the money go into the bag, though. If I tried to put out a story like yours, Georger would rake me over the coals like a roast chicken. reply] In Jo's defense, I dont recall Jo saying "from a bridge". I do recall her saying ' from the base of the bridge'. It may have been Bruce Smith who started 'from on top of a bridge' and then people picked that up and used it, including 377. There are plenty of posts which use 'on top of a bridge', but I honestly dont recall Jo ever saying that. What Jo said was near the Red Lion in (or behind it), in a parking lot, near the base of a bridge, above the river (high up overlooking the river). So a drop of some kind was involved, and a projectile "throwing" was involved ... which goes to the physics you tried to eleborate, correctly. Jo's stories and different posts however do have inconsistencies, so at the end of this I will simply copy her different remarks over many posts, as they apply specifically to this matter... you can read them for yourself. Key points: The bills had already deteriorated (after being buried in a bucket and retrieved by Duane), Duane applied NEW rubber bands, placed bundles in a sack, and threw the sack into the river ... and in one account Jo arrives after the fact to see the 'sack' flowing down the river. The bills the Ingrams found did not have newly applied rubber bands on the deteriorated money. That's just a fact. In most posts Jo never saw Duane place whatever he placed in the bag - she just assumes it was the Cooper money. Jo openly says she does not know what was in the bag and in one posts says it was trash. The rubber bands are interesting, forensically. The bands are a collection of molecular and atomic clocks which can be seen running in 6 month increments.... as per thermal transition Tg, the glass transition Tg2, crystalline transition, all from the amorphous high entropy state they were in when Cooper received them. These bands tell a story which may or may not comport with Jo's story... but they are one of the clocks in the whole money story. Below are Jo's posts as I could find them: or I can just post a Word doc with her full posts on this matter if required - JAN 21 08: where he tossed something in the river - but this package was already in the car - I thought it was trash - I went to the restroom and when I returned he had already discarded this bag. June 4 08: As you know already I and others have explainations of how that money got into the Columbia. I have maintained that the money was stored in a bucket (probably plastic paint bucket) in the ground not too far from the Columbia. That part of it was found in 1979 and thrown into the Columbia around late Sept or Oct of that yr. June 04 08: He also left me in the Car on the WA side of the river West of the airport and went down to the river and that we stopped before we left the area at the Red Lion ( on the WA side at the main bridge to Portland) where he threw into the Columbia a paper sack he said had trash in it. Oct 3 08: Just before I 5 goes acrass the river was a Red Lion Inn on the river. We went to the bakc of the river - I heard there is lost of construcion there now. It was park like in 1971 and you could walk way out. on the ground West of the bridge about a food ball fields lenght. The area was raised above the water. That is where he thru the package into the water. It was floating down the river by the time I got out to there (I made a necessary trip before going out for R&R before we left.) Was a brown paper bag - medium weight bout 6 to 8 inches long and maybe 12 inched deep - the top was rolled over and it had a band around it. This was Sept. and at the lastes mid Oct. and the money was found in Jan or Feb of 1980. Hope that helps. Oct 4 08 – Snowman: It's also important to understand that most of the decomposition happened before Duane threw the money in the river. There was too much for it to happen in just the 3-4 months between Duane's throw-in and discovery... This was then tossed in the river. The paper bag and rubber band were apparently new in '79, provided by Duane. Nov 12 06: (reply to Snowman above): The rubber band was ONLY suggested by me as a way of securing the bag - we had them in the car. He could just as well have tripled the top over and threw it that way. He was watching it go down stream when I got there. … Dec 17 08: I do not know how many bundles could have been in that paper sack Duane threw into the Columbia at the old bridge in down town Vancouver. Large enough for 3 to 6 bundles. I am sure he would have bundled them within the package in groups of 2's or 3's. - (just going on what I knew about him). He secured the bag some way with what he had in the car - it was rolled over several times but I didn't see him actually throw it into the water. We kept clips and rubberbands in the car in our travel kit (for work as we sold insurance (on the road) and always had a portable office with us). Who knows what was in that bag? But the money was found just down the river only 6 months or so later. I have to estimate we where there in Sept...because I questioned what kind of clothes to take - it was warm enough 5 days prior to the river incident to wear short on the way to Salt Lake from Ft. Collins, Co. but fall weather the rest of the trip. Dec 18 08: (in reply to Tom Kaye): I do not know what was in that bag (I can only speculate), but it was a very odd thing to do. The fact that he turned in his resignation the day after the article appeared in the paper in Ft. Collins Co. about the money being found seems suspect (I was unaware of that until some else made a connection between the dates recently)…. I am open to how the money got in the Columbia - but the things he told me and the things he showed me -that is not open to discussion at all. Those are things I know. What his little trips meant and what he did on that trip are my recalling the trip. They are strange events for a man who supposedly never lived in WA or worked there. May 13 09: It was the Red Lion in Vancouver - I don't know if it is still there or what it is called now. It as at the foot of the bridge and I call it the Sentimental Journey. Sept 7 010: In 1979 is when Duane and I went to WA and when he threw a paper bag into the Columbia from the back of the Red Lion Inn at the foot of the I-5 bridge from the Vancouver side. NO one has ever substantiated to me that the money found had actually been in a paper bag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CaretakerAl 0 #20310 January 4, 2011 "Who knows what was in that bag? But the money was found just down the river only 6 months or so later." (Jo) "An undisclosed number of shards of twenties were found in the vicinity, some pieces as deep as three feet down, and others as far as 100 feet away from the main stack of three. Some bits were discovered at the very upper reach of flood tides, perhaps 50-100 feet inland." (Jerry Thomas) And you want people to believe all of the deterioration on those bills the FBI photographed occurred in only 6 months??? Go back to the records of the area and find when that area was flooded after 1971, the BIG one, and you will find the level of degradation/duration to be more in the realm of plausibility. "Upper reach of flood tides." Milk cans float when submerged. They seal tightly until tipped over. Pop up just like a casket in La. Try one, it's fun! Come on, this is simple stuff. I don't understand why we are going down this 'throwing cash away' road. You did not see cash. What is your objective? I know the local property owners don't want a hoard of gophers invading the bar, but let's be factual here. Look it up. I didn't videotape the milk can history in slow-mo. It is, at best, incidental to the case in chief. Just a source for a display of greed. It has no real probative value unless you want to trespass and prospect for mush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #20311 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteUsing information from Wikipedia and Wiki.Answers, I have calculated the volume and weight of 10,000 US paper bills. The volume is almost exactly 0.40 cubic feet and the weight is 19.2 pounds. I'd like to see your math/sources on that because by just about all accounts a dollar bill of any denomination weighs 1 gram. 10,000 x 1 = 10Kg = 22 pounds. Here's my source; http://www.moneyfactory.gov/faqlibrary.html Another way to look at it is they say there are 454 notes in a pound. 10,000 / 454 = 22.026317 pounds. Quade, First the volume. Wiki.Answers gives the dimensions of a dollar bill (and all other US currency bills) as 6.14 inches wide, 2.61 inches high, and 0.0043 inches thick. Multiplying those numbers together gives a volume of 0.06890922 cubic inches per bill. For 10,000 bills, the volume is 689.0922 cubic inches or 0.398780208 cubic feet. I rounded this number off to 0.40 cubic feet. Now the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. It is not stated if the weight of the ink is included in the above weights. So to be conservative, assume a weight of 1 gram for paper plus ink per bill, as does Wiki.Answers. This gives 10,000 grams or 22.026 pounds for the bills. Another pound or two should be added for the bank bag. Further questions? Robert Nicholson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JamieCooper 0 #20312 January 4, 2011 Quote Well you didn't actually answer the question about which version you listened to. Specialists in cognitive development will clearly state that in humans, memory recall only develops after the age of 3. "specialists" aren't always right. for example. I remember moving into the home I grew up in in 1973. and because I turned 3 that year, "specialists" won't debate it. however I also remember living other places before that, and remember people I knew in various other cities before 1973, and have never seen or heard from again. my earliest memory of being in the car listening to "Delta Dawn" have a pinkish/Orangish hue. and while some are sure these memories couldn't have occurred in the time frame Im saying. I have discussed them with medical professionals over my lifetime. shrinks and MD's. the hazy hue isn't from the memory being fragmented, but it is that as well. it's because my eyes weren't done developing yet. in fact most if not all children at that age see the world with this same hue I remember seeing until their eyes finish developing. at least thats what Dr's have told me. I didn't answer the question about which version of the song I heard because, first of all the question was designed specifically with the purpose to mislead, deliberately omitting the original 1971 version from the question. and the 2nd reason is because I'm not sure which version it was. it wasn't a woman singer and I haven't been able to find a version that matches the one I heard perfectly yet. this could be in part because my mother was singing with the radio? I'm not sure? another factor is how memories are encoded and stored. we don't store perfect images as much as we tend to think. we store emotions, how it felt, sounds, and partial images. so here is most of this early age memory, omitting some of which was previously posted out of laziness. my emotions = confused, fun, then confused but interested in the lights. how it felt = fun, confusing. sounds = Delta Dawn (part of why I remember then name is because my older sister is named Dawn, and my fathers name is Don, as is my real name), muffled other sounds I can't make out partial images = the lights at night, the sun, the roof of the car, leaves moving playfully, chrome speaker grill, chain link fence around a power station, a big waterfall, trees, a bridge made of large angle iron. a wooden bridge that we couldn't go over, a farm? or country home with 3 or 4 small buildings in a row, and a girl who lived there who had a doll named "miss beasley". ultamatly what is the relevance of anything about my early memories? this is a DB Cooper thread after all. we were waiting for My father to come, I don't actually remember him coming. I don't remember seeing him at all in the memory, I remember feeling as though the sun was my father, which may have some relevance but I don't actually remember him being there. going to pick him up had to be in 1971 because their relationship fell apart by 1972, and their divorce became final in 1972 as public records verify. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #20313 January 4, 2011 Quote"Who knows what was in that bag? But the money was found just down the river only 6 months or so later." (Jo) "An undisclosed number of shards of twenties were found in the vicinity, some pieces as deep as three feet down, and others as far as 100 feet away from the main stack of three. Some bits were discovered at the very upper reach of flood tides, perhaps 50-100 feet inland." (Jerry Thomas) And you want people to believe all of the deterioration on those bills the FBI photographed occurred in only 6 months??? Go back to the records of the area and find when that area was flooded after 1971, the BIG one, and you will find the level of degradation/duration to be more in the realm of plausibility. "Upper reach of flood tides." Milk cans float when submerged. They seal tightly until tipped over. Pop up just like a casket in La. Try one, it's fun! Come on, this is simple stuff. I don't understand why we are going down this 'throwing cash away' road. You did not see cash. What is your objective? I know the local property owners don't want a hoard of gophers invading the bar, but let's be factual here. Look it up. I didn't videotape the milk can history in slow-mo. It is, at best, incidental to the case in chief. Just a source for a display of greed. It has no real probative value unless you want to trespass and prospect for mush. Al, You state that "Milk cans float when submerged." Please elaborate. No satire intended. Robert Nicholson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites smokin99 0 #20314 January 4, 2011 Quote.... or country home with 3 or 4 small buildings in a row, and a girl who lived there who had a doll named "miss beasley". Detour down memory lane - Miss Beazley. was Buffy's doll on Family Affair, a late sixties sitcom. I imagine they sold the doll so all little girls could be just like Buffy. Sad child star outcome that was if I recall correctly. End of detour.but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JamieCooper 0 #20315 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuote.... or country home with 3 or 4 small buildings in a row, and a girl who lived there who had a doll named "miss beasley". Detour down memory lane - Miss Beazley. was Buffy's doll on Family Affair, a late sixties sitcom. I imagine they sold the doll so all little girls could be just like Buffy. Sad child star outcome that was if I recall correctly. End of detour. it would be interesting to find out what time of the day family affair" aired on tv in the Ariel area, in November of 1971. I'm wondering if what I'm remembering about the farm is TV, and if we would have been there to see what else was on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #20316 January 4, 2011 QuoteNow the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. Which is why I almost always question a person doing even the most trivial of calculations if they haven't shown their sources or work.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mark 107 #20317 January 4, 2011 QuoteWiki.Answers gives the dimensions of a dollar bill (and all other US currency bills) as 6.14 inches wide, 2.61 inches high, and 0.0043 inches thick. Multiplying those numbers together gives a volume of 0.06890922 cubic inches per bill. For 10,000 bills, the volume is 689.0922 cubic inches or 0.398780208 cubic feet. I rounded this number off to 0.40 cubic feet. Now the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. It is not stated if the weight of the ink is included in the above weights. So to be conservative, assume a weight of 1 gram for paper plus ink per bill, as does Wiki.Answers. This gives 10,000 grams or 22.026 pounds for the bills. Another pound or two should be added for the bank bag. Further questions? Robert Nicholson Yeah. I have a question. How do you get accuracy to 5 significant digits when the original number is accurate only to 1? Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #20318 January 4, 2011 Quote Quote Wiki.Answers gives the dimensions of a dollar bill (and all other US currency bills) as 6.14 inches wide, 2.61 inches high, and 0.0043 inches thick. Multiplying those numbers together gives a volume of 0.06890922 cubic inches per bill. For 10,000 bills, the volume is 689.0922 cubic inches or 0.398780208 cubic feet. I rounded this number off to 0.40 cubic feet. Now the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. It is not stated if the weight of the ink is included in the above weights. So to be conservative, assume a weight of 1 gram for paper plus ink per bill, as does Wiki.Answers. This gives 10,000 grams or 22.026 pounds for the bills. Another pound or two should be added for the bank bag. Further questions? Robert Nicholson Yeah. I have a question. How do you get accuracy to 5 significant digits when the original number is accurate only to 1? Mark 0! = 1 0! twice = 2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #20319 January 4, 2011 Quote Caretaker Al writes: Quote Who are you that I should spend the effort to give you a free-bee? ....Who are you to deserve the time? We are just curious commoners who dare to question members of the Cooper royal family. Why act superior when someone politely asks you for some objective evidence to back up your extraordinary story? 377 We have seen various responses in return to requests for objective evidence here: - superiority - verbally attacking the questioner - ignoring the question - changing the subject to one that evokes pity for the writer and diverts attention from the question Occasionally we have a Blevins, who at least tries to offer a (fairly) logically constructed argument. But the one thing none of these posters have given us is ... objective evidence. The most likely reason is, none of their favoured subjects are Cooper. Like someone else said, Jamie, get us a Cooper $20 out of that briefcase Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #20320 January 4, 2011 Quote NOW, if something like that regarding Duane is presented in this special on History Channel - I will not only ask, but DEMAND equal time to defend the truth. In fact I would take them to TASK in court on that one. Oh, I hope they do Jo. Can we then hold you to the above? Maybe then you'll finally see 377's points about litigation.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #20321 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuote Well you didn't actually answer the question about which version you listened to. Specialists in cognitive development will clearly state that in humans, memory recall only develops after the age of 3. I am going to go out on a limb here and propose something very different all together. Take this scenario: What if the child had grown up hearing - your father was D.B.Cooper. Perhaps just for the fun of it because their names were really Cooper. Now put a strange twist on this story - since the mother and father were NOT married for a long period of time and divorced after the child was born. There are many questions to be answered. Did young Cooper's father - have other children? His mother we know had 2 other children by someone else. Jamie has never stated if his father had other natural children he fathered. If Jamie was the only seed - then this become territorial. What we have been told of Jamie's life doesn't feel natural...such as when the father took Jamie and held onto him during a time of unsettlement and only relinquished him when the baby started to fret. This sound like a father fighting to keep the only thing he had that was his very own. Then we have a mother who after the fact uses the child as leverage - claiming to have secrets. This does not have the feel of a loving mother who wants to shield her child. I have even stated that if Jamie's father had been Cooper - the reward money would have offset any lost his mother might have suffered in child support. There is more to this story than what Jamie knows or was told. There is something beneath the surface only the mother and father knew. Perhaps Jamie needs to explore with an open mind the circumstances of his birth.....perhaps he need to check into his birth records with his eyes open and with an open heart, because this secret is eating away at his life. If there was someone who was supposed to expose a secret to Jamie at a later date - that person may have decided that the timing was not right and that he might be better off know knowing...a person making this decision would destroy the evidence - NOT hide it away. This being the basis of what he heard all of his life - that would create false memories. The biggest puzzle is why did these 2 parents chose to perpetuate the story about D.B. Cooper. Why was the wife so resentful and why did she use the child as leverage, which according to Jamie's story seems to be the case? This is the reason I have "badgered" him for lack of a better word about his knowledge regarding the facts that surrounded his birth. In 1970 -in some states if an underage girl gave birth to a child she could give the child to the other parent if the other parent was married and could provide a stable home. It did not even require adoption papers in most states in 1970. Where is the house attorney and where is our child psychologist? JO, WHY CAN YOU NOT SEE HOW UTTERLY SICK YOU ARE BEING HERE? Who the HELL do you think you are? You lambaste Carr for releasing PUBLICLY AVAILABLE stuff about your CRIMINAL husband, but you think it is OK to keep on with this nasty, smutty line of questioning despite Jamie's answers? Just because YOUR CRIMINAL HUSBAND may have been involved in utterly distasteful stuff like you mention does not mean any child born in 1970 becomes your target. Then again it's a nice diversion from actually having to provide ANYTHING at all to substantiate your claims, isn't it?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #20322 January 4, 2011 Jo wrote: Quote NOW, if something like that regarding Duane is presented in this special on History Channel - I will not only ask, but DEMAND equal time to defend the truth. In fact I would take them to TASK in court on that one. Come on Jo, cut out the legal threats... and lose that silly copyright notice on your posts. Nobody else attempts to copyright their forum posts here. Are you really going to sue someone who reprints or copies one of your posts without your permission? What about all the noise you were making a while back about something big going on and implying that there would soon be news? Seems like the same old same old to me. I do wonder what happened to Tom K. Last I saw of him was on a TV news video casting a budle of bills into the Columbia on a fishing line. Was he trolling for lawyers?3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #20323 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteNow the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. Which is why I almost always question a person doing even the most trivial of calculations if they haven't shown their sources or work. Quade, The mistake I made in the original post was in multiplying 90 grams by the number of bills, which is 96.72 per square meter, rather than dividing the 90 by the number of bills. I hit the wrong button on my hand held calculator. The 80 gram calculations were correct in the original. Robert Nicholson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #20324 January 4, 2011 Orange, that will be enough of the name calling. Seriously guys. I would think we all know what this leads to.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Robert99 50 #20325 January 4, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Wiki.Answers gives the dimensions of a dollar bill (and all other US currency bills) as 6.14 inches wide, 2.61 inches high, and 0.0043 inches thick. Multiplying those numbers together gives a volume of 0.06890922 cubic inches per bill. For 10,000 bills, the volume is 689.0922 cubic inches or 0.398780208 cubic feet. I rounded this number off to 0.40 cubic feet. Now the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. It is not stated if the weight of the ink is included in the above weights. So to be conservative, assume a weight of 1 gram for paper plus ink per bill, as does Wiki.Answers. This gives 10,000 grams or 22.026 pounds for the bills. Another pound or two should be added for the bank bag. Further questions? Robert Nicholson Yeah. I have a question. How do you get accuracy to 5 significant digits when the original number is accurate only to 1? Mark 0! = 1 0! twice = 2. Mark, Let me say up front that I am not going to argue with Georger on this! To make a full disclosure, I am an engineer rather than a mathematician. And in the following I rely heavily on a small mathematics dictionary that I found on my book shelf. The 6.14 and 2.61 dimensions of the bills each have three significant digits. The 0.0043 dimension has five significant digits based on the two leading zeros to the right of the decimal point being significant as well as the "trailing zero" to the left of the decimal point being significant since there are significant numbers to the right of the decimal point. I don't see what you are talking about when you state that the original number is accurate to only 1 significant digit. Would you care to elaborate? In any event, I will be happy to call the weight of the money "22 pounds" and let it go at that. Robert Nicholson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 Next Page 813 of 2570 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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CaretakerAl 0 #20310 January 4, 2011 "Who knows what was in that bag? But the money was found just down the river only 6 months or so later." (Jo) "An undisclosed number of shards of twenties were found in the vicinity, some pieces as deep as three feet down, and others as far as 100 feet away from the main stack of three. Some bits were discovered at the very upper reach of flood tides, perhaps 50-100 feet inland." (Jerry Thomas) And you want people to believe all of the deterioration on those bills the FBI photographed occurred in only 6 months??? Go back to the records of the area and find when that area was flooded after 1971, the BIG one, and you will find the level of degradation/duration to be more in the realm of plausibility. "Upper reach of flood tides." Milk cans float when submerged. They seal tightly until tipped over. Pop up just like a casket in La. Try one, it's fun! Come on, this is simple stuff. I don't understand why we are going down this 'throwing cash away' road. You did not see cash. What is your objective? I know the local property owners don't want a hoard of gophers invading the bar, but let's be factual here. Look it up. I didn't videotape the milk can history in slow-mo. It is, at best, incidental to the case in chief. Just a source for a display of greed. It has no real probative value unless you want to trespass and prospect for mush. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #20311 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteUsing information from Wikipedia and Wiki.Answers, I have calculated the volume and weight of 10,000 US paper bills. The volume is almost exactly 0.40 cubic feet and the weight is 19.2 pounds. I'd like to see your math/sources on that because by just about all accounts a dollar bill of any denomination weighs 1 gram. 10,000 x 1 = 10Kg = 22 pounds. Here's my source; http://www.moneyfactory.gov/faqlibrary.html Another way to look at it is they say there are 454 notes in a pound. 10,000 / 454 = 22.026317 pounds. Quade, First the volume. Wiki.Answers gives the dimensions of a dollar bill (and all other US currency bills) as 6.14 inches wide, 2.61 inches high, and 0.0043 inches thick. Multiplying those numbers together gives a volume of 0.06890922 cubic inches per bill. For 10,000 bills, the volume is 689.0922 cubic inches or 0.398780208 cubic feet. I rounded this number off to 0.40 cubic feet. Now the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. It is not stated if the weight of the ink is included in the above weights. So to be conservative, assume a weight of 1 gram for paper plus ink per bill, as does Wiki.Answers. This gives 10,000 grams or 22.026 pounds for the bills. Another pound or two should be added for the bank bag. Further questions? Robert Nicholson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamieCooper 0 #20312 January 4, 2011 Quote Well you didn't actually answer the question about which version you listened to. Specialists in cognitive development will clearly state that in humans, memory recall only develops after the age of 3. "specialists" aren't always right. for example. I remember moving into the home I grew up in in 1973. and because I turned 3 that year, "specialists" won't debate it. however I also remember living other places before that, and remember people I knew in various other cities before 1973, and have never seen or heard from again. my earliest memory of being in the car listening to "Delta Dawn" have a pinkish/Orangish hue. and while some are sure these memories couldn't have occurred in the time frame Im saying. I have discussed them with medical professionals over my lifetime. shrinks and MD's. the hazy hue isn't from the memory being fragmented, but it is that as well. it's because my eyes weren't done developing yet. in fact most if not all children at that age see the world with this same hue I remember seeing until their eyes finish developing. at least thats what Dr's have told me. I didn't answer the question about which version of the song I heard because, first of all the question was designed specifically with the purpose to mislead, deliberately omitting the original 1971 version from the question. and the 2nd reason is because I'm not sure which version it was. it wasn't a woman singer and I haven't been able to find a version that matches the one I heard perfectly yet. this could be in part because my mother was singing with the radio? I'm not sure? another factor is how memories are encoded and stored. we don't store perfect images as much as we tend to think. we store emotions, how it felt, sounds, and partial images. so here is most of this early age memory, omitting some of which was previously posted out of laziness. my emotions = confused, fun, then confused but interested in the lights. how it felt = fun, confusing. sounds = Delta Dawn (part of why I remember then name is because my older sister is named Dawn, and my fathers name is Don, as is my real name), muffled other sounds I can't make out partial images = the lights at night, the sun, the roof of the car, leaves moving playfully, chrome speaker grill, chain link fence around a power station, a big waterfall, trees, a bridge made of large angle iron. a wooden bridge that we couldn't go over, a farm? or country home with 3 or 4 small buildings in a row, and a girl who lived there who had a doll named "miss beasley". ultamatly what is the relevance of anything about my early memories? this is a DB Cooper thread after all. we were waiting for My father to come, I don't actually remember him coming. I don't remember seeing him at all in the memory, I remember feeling as though the sun was my father, which may have some relevance but I don't actually remember him being there. going to pick him up had to be in 1971 because their relationship fell apart by 1972, and their divorce became final in 1972 as public records verify. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #20313 January 4, 2011 Quote"Who knows what was in that bag? But the money was found just down the river only 6 months or so later." (Jo) "An undisclosed number of shards of twenties were found in the vicinity, some pieces as deep as three feet down, and others as far as 100 feet away from the main stack of three. Some bits were discovered at the very upper reach of flood tides, perhaps 50-100 feet inland." (Jerry Thomas) And you want people to believe all of the deterioration on those bills the FBI photographed occurred in only 6 months??? Go back to the records of the area and find when that area was flooded after 1971, the BIG one, and you will find the level of degradation/duration to be more in the realm of plausibility. "Upper reach of flood tides." Milk cans float when submerged. They seal tightly until tipped over. Pop up just like a casket in La. Try one, it's fun! Come on, this is simple stuff. I don't understand why we are going down this 'throwing cash away' road. You did not see cash. What is your objective? I know the local property owners don't want a hoard of gophers invading the bar, but let's be factual here. Look it up. I didn't videotape the milk can history in slow-mo. It is, at best, incidental to the case in chief. Just a source for a display of greed. It has no real probative value unless you want to trespass and prospect for mush. Al, You state that "Milk cans float when submerged." Please elaborate. No satire intended. Robert Nicholson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #20314 January 4, 2011 Quote.... or country home with 3 or 4 small buildings in a row, and a girl who lived there who had a doll named "miss beasley". Detour down memory lane - Miss Beazley. was Buffy's doll on Family Affair, a late sixties sitcom. I imagine they sold the doll so all little girls could be just like Buffy. Sad child star outcome that was if I recall correctly. End of detour.but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JamieCooper 0 #20315 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuote.... or country home with 3 or 4 small buildings in a row, and a girl who lived there who had a doll named "miss beasley". Detour down memory lane - Miss Beazley. was Buffy's doll on Family Affair, a late sixties sitcom. I imagine they sold the doll so all little girls could be just like Buffy. Sad child star outcome that was if I recall correctly. End of detour. it would be interesting to find out what time of the day family affair" aired on tv in the Ariel area, in November of 1971. I'm wondering if what I'm remembering about the farm is TV, and if we would have been there to see what else was on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20316 January 4, 2011 QuoteNow the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. Which is why I almost always question a person doing even the most trivial of calculations if they haven't shown their sources or work.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark 107 #20317 January 4, 2011 QuoteWiki.Answers gives the dimensions of a dollar bill (and all other US currency bills) as 6.14 inches wide, 2.61 inches high, and 0.0043 inches thick. Multiplying those numbers together gives a volume of 0.06890922 cubic inches per bill. For 10,000 bills, the volume is 689.0922 cubic inches or 0.398780208 cubic feet. I rounded this number off to 0.40 cubic feet. Now the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. It is not stated if the weight of the ink is included in the above weights. So to be conservative, assume a weight of 1 gram for paper plus ink per bill, as does Wiki.Answers. This gives 10,000 grams or 22.026 pounds for the bills. Another pound or two should be added for the bank bag. Further questions? Robert Nicholson Yeah. I have a question. How do you get accuracy to 5 significant digits when the original number is accurate only to 1? Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #20318 January 4, 2011 Quote Quote Wiki.Answers gives the dimensions of a dollar bill (and all other US currency bills) as 6.14 inches wide, 2.61 inches high, and 0.0043 inches thick. Multiplying those numbers together gives a volume of 0.06890922 cubic inches per bill. For 10,000 bills, the volume is 689.0922 cubic inches or 0.398780208 cubic feet. I rounded this number off to 0.40 cubic feet. Now the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. It is not stated if the weight of the ink is included in the above weights. So to be conservative, assume a weight of 1 gram for paper plus ink per bill, as does Wiki.Answers. This gives 10,000 grams or 22.026 pounds for the bills. Another pound or two should be added for the bank bag. Further questions? Robert Nicholson Yeah. I have a question. How do you get accuracy to 5 significant digits when the original number is accurate only to 1? Mark 0! = 1 0! twice = 2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #20319 January 4, 2011 Quote Caretaker Al writes: Quote Who are you that I should spend the effort to give you a free-bee? ....Who are you to deserve the time? We are just curious commoners who dare to question members of the Cooper royal family. Why act superior when someone politely asks you for some objective evidence to back up your extraordinary story? 377 We have seen various responses in return to requests for objective evidence here: - superiority - verbally attacking the questioner - ignoring the question - changing the subject to one that evokes pity for the writer and diverts attention from the question Occasionally we have a Blevins, who at least tries to offer a (fairly) logically constructed argument. But the one thing none of these posters have given us is ... objective evidence. The most likely reason is, none of their favoured subjects are Cooper. Like someone else said, Jamie, get us a Cooper $20 out of that briefcase Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #20320 January 4, 2011 Quote NOW, if something like that regarding Duane is presented in this special on History Channel - I will not only ask, but DEMAND equal time to defend the truth. In fact I would take them to TASK in court on that one. Oh, I hope they do Jo. Can we then hold you to the above? Maybe then you'll finally see 377's points about litigation.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #20321 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuote Well you didn't actually answer the question about which version you listened to. Specialists in cognitive development will clearly state that in humans, memory recall only develops after the age of 3. I am going to go out on a limb here and propose something very different all together. Take this scenario: What if the child had grown up hearing - your father was D.B.Cooper. Perhaps just for the fun of it because their names were really Cooper. Now put a strange twist on this story - since the mother and father were NOT married for a long period of time and divorced after the child was born. There are many questions to be answered. Did young Cooper's father - have other children? His mother we know had 2 other children by someone else. Jamie has never stated if his father had other natural children he fathered. If Jamie was the only seed - then this become territorial. What we have been told of Jamie's life doesn't feel natural...such as when the father took Jamie and held onto him during a time of unsettlement and only relinquished him when the baby started to fret. This sound like a father fighting to keep the only thing he had that was his very own. Then we have a mother who after the fact uses the child as leverage - claiming to have secrets. This does not have the feel of a loving mother who wants to shield her child. I have even stated that if Jamie's father had been Cooper - the reward money would have offset any lost his mother might have suffered in child support. There is more to this story than what Jamie knows or was told. There is something beneath the surface only the mother and father knew. Perhaps Jamie needs to explore with an open mind the circumstances of his birth.....perhaps he need to check into his birth records with his eyes open and with an open heart, because this secret is eating away at his life. If there was someone who was supposed to expose a secret to Jamie at a later date - that person may have decided that the timing was not right and that he might be better off know knowing...a person making this decision would destroy the evidence - NOT hide it away. This being the basis of what he heard all of his life - that would create false memories. The biggest puzzle is why did these 2 parents chose to perpetuate the story about D.B. Cooper. Why was the wife so resentful and why did she use the child as leverage, which according to Jamie's story seems to be the case? This is the reason I have "badgered" him for lack of a better word about his knowledge regarding the facts that surrounded his birth. In 1970 -in some states if an underage girl gave birth to a child she could give the child to the other parent if the other parent was married and could provide a stable home. It did not even require adoption papers in most states in 1970. Where is the house attorney and where is our child psychologist? JO, WHY CAN YOU NOT SEE HOW UTTERLY SICK YOU ARE BEING HERE? Who the HELL do you think you are? You lambaste Carr for releasing PUBLICLY AVAILABLE stuff about your CRIMINAL husband, but you think it is OK to keep on with this nasty, smutty line of questioning despite Jamie's answers? Just because YOUR CRIMINAL HUSBAND may have been involved in utterly distasteful stuff like you mention does not mean any child born in 1970 becomes your target. Then again it's a nice diversion from actually having to provide ANYTHING at all to substantiate your claims, isn't it?Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #20322 January 4, 2011 Jo wrote: Quote NOW, if something like that regarding Duane is presented in this special on History Channel - I will not only ask, but DEMAND equal time to defend the truth. In fact I would take them to TASK in court on that one. Come on Jo, cut out the legal threats... and lose that silly copyright notice on your posts. Nobody else attempts to copyright their forum posts here. Are you really going to sue someone who reprints or copies one of your posts without your permission? What about all the noise you were making a while back about something big going on and implying that there would soon be news? Seems like the same old same old to me. I do wonder what happened to Tom K. Last I saw of him was on a TV news video casting a budle of bills into the Columbia on a fishing line. Was he trolling for lawyers?3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #20323 January 4, 2011 QuoteQuoteNow the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. Which is why I almost always question a person doing even the most trivial of calculations if they haven't shown their sources or work. Quade, The mistake I made in the original post was in multiplying 90 grams by the number of bills, which is 96.72 per square meter, rather than dividing the 90 by the number of bills. I hit the wrong button on my hand held calculator. The 80 gram calculations were correct in the original. Robert Nicholson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20324 January 4, 2011 Orange, that will be enough of the name calling. Seriously guys. I would think we all know what this leads to.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 50 #20325 January 4, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Wiki.Answers gives the dimensions of a dollar bill (and all other US currency bills) as 6.14 inches wide, 2.61 inches high, and 0.0043 inches thick. Multiplying those numbers together gives a volume of 0.06890922 cubic inches per bill. For 10,000 bills, the volume is 689.0922 cubic inches or 0.398780208 cubic feet. I rounded this number off to 0.40 cubic feet. Now the weight. One source on Wikipedia states that American currency is printed on paper that weighs between 80 and 90 grams per square meter. Using the previously mentioned bill dimensions and on the average, 96.72 bills can be printed per square meter of paper. This gives a weight of 0.82712 to 0.93052 grams per bill. For 10,000 bills this is 8271.2 to 9305.2 grams. Using the larger of these values and converting to pounds gives 20.496 pounds for the weight of the bills. This also means that I made a math error in the previous post. It is not stated if the weight of the ink is included in the above weights. So to be conservative, assume a weight of 1 gram for paper plus ink per bill, as does Wiki.Answers. This gives 10,000 grams or 22.026 pounds for the bills. Another pound or two should be added for the bank bag. Further questions? Robert Nicholson Yeah. I have a question. How do you get accuracy to 5 significant digits when the original number is accurate only to 1? Mark 0! = 1 0! twice = 2. Mark, Let me say up front that I am not going to argue with Georger on this! To make a full disclosure, I am an engineer rather than a mathematician. And in the following I rely heavily on a small mathematics dictionary that I found on my book shelf. The 6.14 and 2.61 dimensions of the bills each have three significant digits. The 0.0043 dimension has five significant digits based on the two leading zeros to the right of the decimal point being significant as well as the "trailing zero" to the left of the decimal point being significant since there are significant numbers to the right of the decimal point. I don't see what you are talking about when you state that the original number is accurate to only 1 significant digit. Would you care to elaborate? In any event, I will be happy to call the weight of the money "22 pounds" and let it go at that. Robert Nicholson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
