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quade,
You have two confirmed kills today, and a lot of day left. Trouble is brewing between Jo and Jerry, Do I see a Hat trick coming today?? HA!

It's not like an aerial dogfight where skill counts. The 5th one won't make him an ace in my eyes. All Q has to do is pull the trigger and it's a guaranteed hit. This is more like the role of a judge, a "hangin judge" at that.

When asking Quade to go easy on Snow or Jamie I feel like I did when I was a law student helping indigent prisoners write petitions for Habeus Corpus or appealing parole revocations. Not even one was granted. There is no court of appeals here, Q is the police, judge, jury, supreme court and and executioner.

To be fair to Q, he does give warnings and he did defend us vigorously when the dropzone DBC forum haters censor-gang tried to clobber us.

I tried to counsel Jamie to "nice it up" a bit, but to no avail. Snow can't be "managed", I dont even try.

As for Al asking to be banned, it makes as much sense as anything else he has posted.

Al's totally implausible story about the front chute (Cossey's X marked practice reserve) being somehow used as a back chute that Cooper deployed for the jump gave a clue as to how much the alleged Nojack official record keeper really knew.

Al appears, from other Internet postings, to be a very experienced mold maker and he has put a HUGE engine into a Mazda Miata. Can't see anything that would make him attactive to a 3 letter agency as a participant in such a risky operation as a govt orchestrated skyjacking.

I dont believe any of Al's Project Norjack story, but wonder a lot about why he does what he does. No money, no fame, no groupies. What's in it for him?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Unfortunately, Jerry passed away. You knew that.[CaretakerAl]

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Jamie but as a kid from the farm I'm sure you knew that. Jerry

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I dont believe any of Al's Project Norjack story, but wonder a lot about why he does what he does. No money, no fame, no groupies. What's in it for him?

Same thing as for so many UFO abductees I would suppose; a compelling enough story that somebody will sit and listen to them for a few moments, because otherwise, they truly have nothing else to say.

Years ago I was fascinated with the Art Bell program. Well, not so much the Art Bell program itself as the people that would call in with their wild stories of abductions and such. Sure, there absolutely were those that were in it for the buck; clearly Art Bell himself had found a niche in opening up the lines and letting people ramble. Then there were the book authors and guys pitching movies to Hollywood and all sorts of "true believers", but the folks that fascinated me the most where the ones who weaved a story you knew was utter BS, but did so simply to have something to say and, for however brief a moment, listen to them.

It gave them a sense of purpose, meaning and "respect" in their universe.

Taken to its extreme, I see it as a form of Münchausen syndrome.

I assume the same holds true in the DB Cooper case.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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I'll wait for your usual paraphrasing and warping off my post to massage your ego.[JamieCooper]

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power tripping and abusing banning rights to enable you to take cheap shots at whomever is your whipping boy o the day are obvious traits of yours.[JamieCooper]

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the folks that fascinated me the most where the ones who weaved a story you knew was utter BS, but did so simply to have something to say and, for however brief a moment, listen to them.

It gave them a sense of purpose, meaning and "respect" in their universe.[quade]

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I dont believe any of Al's Project Norjack story, but wonder a lot about why he does what he does. No money, no fame, no groupies. What's in it for him?

Same thing as for so many UFO abductees I would suppose; a compelling enough story that somebody will sit and listen to them for a few moments, because otherwise, they truly have nothing else to say.

Years ago I was fascinated with the Art Bell program. Well, not so much the Art Bell program itself as the people that would call in with their wild stories of abductions and such. Sure, there absolutely were those that were in it for the buck; clearly Art Bell himself had found a niche in opening up the lines and letting people ramble. Then there were the book authors and guys pitching movies to Hollywood and all sorts of "true believers", but the folks that fascinated me the most where the ones who weaved a story you knew was utter BS, but did so simply to have something to say and, for however brief a moment, listen to them.

It gave them a sense of purpose, meaning and "respect" in their universe.

Taken to its extreme, I see it as a form of Münchausen syndrome.

I assume the same holds true in the DB Cooper case.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3111050#3111050 Two years back...

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I'll wait for your usual paraphrasing and warping off my post to massage your ego.[JamieCooper]

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power tripping and abusing banning rights to enable you to take cheap shots at whomever is your whipping boy o the day are obvious traits of yours.[JamieCooper]

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the folks that fascinated me the most where the ones who weaved a story you knew was utter BS, but did so simply to have something to say and, for however brief a moment, listen to them.

It gave them a sense of purpose, meaning and "respect" in their universe.[quade]

Hi Jamie!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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Funny Quade, all that paranormal stuff fascinates me as well even though I am positive that it is all delusion, lies, misperception or illusion.

What interests me is how people, even highly educated and intelligent people, can be so positive that they (or others) have experienced an event that I am certain did not occur. How can I be certain? Well, I believe in physics and think that events which purport to violate basic laws of physics are highly unlikely to have really happened. There is nothing better than engineering training to kill your sense of wonder and openness to the truly fantastic.

Now just about every cell phone can take pictures but the number of UFO photos hasn't risen proportionally with cell phone adoption, whcih tells you a lot.

I've listened to my share of Coast to Coast AM and similar shows and have read countless books on the paranormal ranging from first person accounts to critical debunker texts and serious sceintific inquiries.

Look at the late John Mack MD, Harvard Med School cum laude, Pulitzer Prize winner, etc. Although he always carefully hedged when asked if he thought aliens had really abducted his study subjects, if you read his book it's clear (to me) that he did think the abductions were real.

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In an undated interview, Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove stated that Mack seemed "inclined to take these [abduction] reports at face value". Mack replied by saying "Face value I wouldn't say. I take them seriously. I don't have a way to account for them." [3] Similarly, the BBC quoted Mack as saying, "I would never say, yes, there are aliens taking people. [But] I would say there is a compelling powerful phenomenon here that I can't account for in any other way, that's mysterious..."

If Al wanted attention he sure chose an obscure way to get it. UFOs get a lot more attention than DBC.

Art Bell was a ham radio operator, just as so many of the participants in this forum are. Odd... I wish I could figure out the correlation. Maybe the common thread is a desire to ccommunicate, but I dont think it's that simple.

Your Münchausen syndrome analogy is compelling. Both involve a person claiming something that isnt real, but is dramatic and draws attention and intervention. Some Münchausen sufferers actually die from being X rayed too much. Your body cannot take 100 CAT scans without damage. Fortunately there is no analogous problem encountered by those suffering from whatever ails UFO abductees etc.

I'd just like the Cooper case solved and I remain optimistic that it eventually will be.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Ever play Whack-a-Mole?

That’s like reading this thread.

Up pops two of the worse trolls I think I have ever seen on the Inter-Tube, Quade (the one with the thankless job) whacks them, I breathe a sigh of relief, sure that it is now safe to go back into the water, and then Jerry and Jo start their bickering again.

Does it ever end?

What happened to the good ole days? The Amboy chute find, Brian Ingram selling his “DB Bucks”. Even, making fun of the NatGeo piece about the money traveling upriver?




I challenge each an every poster to post one “new or never-published” factoid about NORJAK and get at least three posters to comment on it without making derogatory statements. If you guys won’t or can’t do this, I’m gonna go and sit in some church basement, drink coffee, and say:

Sluggo: “Hello… my name is Sluggo and I’m a Cooperholic.”

Group: “Hello Sluggo”

Sluggo: I haven’t posted anything new on DZ.com is 6-months.”

Bob: “That’s bullshit Sluggo… You posted last week using a sock-puppet account!”

Sarah: “Yeah Sluggo… you are fat, ugly, and if you brain was in a J-Bird it would fly backwards”.

Jim: “You’re lying and mentally unstable. Why don’t you just piss up a rope?”

Sluggo: Oh! My! Gawd! I can’t escape! This has to be hell……..

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For those of us just starting to follow this intriguing drama series. Could all of those claiming to be DBC or know DBC please summaries the previous seasons storyline.

The best summary of the case, suspects, mthys and truths is on Sluggo's website. He has a link in his sigline.
It's probably the best single site for the Cooper case.

All the information is here in the thread, but it's buried deep among the crap, infighting, bad info, false presumtions and general silliness.

Good to see you back Sluggo.
And Sluggo - My understanding is that most of the "Church Basement" types are very nice, welcoming and supportive. Even if you can't stay away from here, they'll still tell you that it gets better, keep trying and keep coming back.

It's here that you get the bickering, manipulation, name calling, and general BS that we've seen recently (Thanks Quade).

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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And I thought I was the only one thinking this. I believe that is a good call. Jerry

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Jo stop your attacks Please. Shelly was contacted by someone long before you called me I don't no what is wrong with your memory but you were told this. I also informed you that our conversations were to be kept too your health isue's. Not your trip out here in October, the one you said that you did for memory reason's. But if you are correct about memory of identification on Vicki father's pictures. Then you can't be sure about anything yo say you have seen in october. One more thing to Qoute your coversation yesterday Nothing you have ever seen or found can prove Duane was Cooper. Your exact words. Now my comments are my belief's. Most have been proven. So enjoy your memorys that you say you have. Jerry

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And I thought I was the only one thinking this. I believe that is a good call. Jerry

Well, when people create new accounts in attempts to get around bans, it's generally obvious from their posting style. It's also against the rules and reason for another ban, so, I'm never really certain why they do it.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[quade 4]

Jerry, your best strategy here is to simply ignore.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Paul I agree. My temper does get the best of me.I do apoligize for that.Your advice will be taken.Jerry

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Münchausen syndrome

It was always my understanding this syndrome involved a mother making her child ill in order to get attention.

I contacted Jerry because something needed to be done about Knoss after I found he had communicated with the McCoy grand Children. The woman who emailed me said one individual was very disturbed by what Knoss did. I told her I would try to do something about it.

Since Knoss claimed Jerry was dead and we all knew he wasn't I enlisted his aid and told him what Knoss was claiming. I don't know what I thought Jerry could do. I expect no one can do much to stop Knoss contacting anyone who will read his site or goes to his site by keying in a family members name. .

I asked Jerry to NOT call me a liar, or teller of fantasy stories nor harass me in anyway. I did inform him I made a trip out there in Oct and found the things he told me DID not exist. I had a witness with me on one important find - the one Jerry harassed me about many times. If necessary I will find the woman who made the radio program tape before I went to WA in 2001...and take her out there and show her the places.
Places Jerry claimed did not exist in subsequent conversations with me.

Everyone of you know that I produced emails and the Radio interview that contradicted what he claimed I had told him. This was all about the time he claimed a TV program had paid my phone bill - NO ONE ever paid my phone bill and if so please produce the proof. My emails to the woman who developed the documentary and handled the trip had my emailed description information before I went to WA and I did NOT change it...it contradicts Jerry's claims. This is hard dated copies of communications.

Jerry is the one who instructed them where to take me - he made sure it was NO where near the places Duane had taken me to. He was aware I didn't know the names of the places and all I could do was describe them - this is why I contacted him in the first place - to help locate the places...he was the one and the only one who claimed I was on the OR side of the river - I repeatedly told him NO - that was not until the return trip on our way to Tahoe.

Needless to repeat this again.

In his first posts upon returning recently he kept slipping things into his posts all of you knew were directed at me and I addressed that. All of you know I had black and white's on Knoss I quoted to prove I did NOT say the things Knoss claimed. The documents are available to anyone who wants to spend the time and money to come and view them...it is massive and in chronological order because I didn't know how to save all my material when I first bought a computer in 2000. The recent yrs are on disk and some of the old records are on disk.

I was instructed to use the names Jerry provide for these places - I told the camera men I did NOT have a detailed map of the area and did NOT feel they were right. I did as I was instructed...BUT in doing so I got frustrated because I had not received the maps promised to me while I was in WA.

I don't interview well and I only had my memory - only an old map of 1/2 of the USA and a state map. No way I got details from these. I never changed my descriptions - and the places the crew took me were NOT right. Yet, I found them MYSELF upon my return trip in Oct of 2010 this past fall.

In 2001 I had one day of discovery with 3 other ladies and the nephew of one..who was in law enforcement. I still do NOT see the reasons for my being taken everywhere, but the right places...Jerry had been asked to be the quide - the crew had one story and Jerry had another about that.

So there was the discovery in 2001 that drove me to go back in 2010 - something Jerry nor anyone else including myself ever thought I would do.

Note: Jerry was extremely concerned about how I could afford such a trip (the one in Oct of 2010) - I guess he thought someone else had paid for it.
All of you know I have NOT taken any money for interviews and the only thing someone else ever paid for - was my room and food and airline ticket for the first trip in 2001 when I did the documentary that went so badly.

When I tried to tell Jerry about my trip he wanted to know nothing about it - I guess he thinks I made that one up too.
He wants to call me a liar and story teller, but he didn't want to know about what I found because it disputes his story. I told him I found the farm he claimed didn't exist. The man had 2 sons about Duane's age and the property was in the son's name. One of the men I was looking for was deceased and the other in a nursing home.

All things he could have found while the men where still alive and healthy...and could have provided some answers.

Just today he has been on emails with another party making his usual claims about me. I am not attacking him - I am defending myself and it is sad that I have to do this.

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That is Münchhausen by Proxy.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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Well, I figure most of you have seen the Decoded episode on Cooper, but in case you missed it, they're running it again tonight (Thursday, Jan 13) at 9PM/8 Central.

Sales on the book are only average at Amazon right now, although wholesalers are picking up fairly large numbers of copies through Ingram. We might end up breaking even, but it will probably be at least a year before we recoup all the expenses.

It was fun...but I don't want to do this anymore. (*laughs*) Too much work, too much travel, too much free time eaten up when I should have been goofing off out in the woods with my .45 and the hand-held cannon.

(That is not me in the video. It's just a vid of the same weapon being fired)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-AVr7gNmrU

The program depicts an east-path as the path
305 flew. Why?

(Go back to the graphic of flight path they showed)

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And I thought I was the only one thinking this. I believe that is a good call. Jerry

Well, when people create new accounts in attempts to get around bans, it's generally obvious from their posting style. It's also against the rules and reason for another ban, so, I'm never really certain why they do it.

really youre that stupid?
the reason people go around your bullshit, are because you abuse your position and unjustly abuse people.
this is the same reason rape victims sometimes kill their attackers.
you proverbially gag them and proverbially rape them, by posting lies, and slandering them.
then you permaban to proverbially kill and silence your victim.
you routinely break site rules at will then get your underwear in a knot when called out on your double standards.
you basically think you operate in a consequence free area of the internet, somehow outside and above the laws of the land.
quite frankly, you "Quade" are the impetuous and primary cause of drama, and hostilities on this site, not the unbiased moderator who maintains civility at all.

so why should anyone respect you or your site rules when you don't either?

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How many computers do you have. Why! are you doing this.You've only been ask to tone it down. Then you made comments unbecoming.Now this. Whats the deal with you didn't you get your candy today or have a nap. Jerry

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How many computers do you have. Why! are you doing this.You've only been ask to tone it down. Then you made comments unbecoming.Now this. Whats the deal with you didn't you get your candy today or have a nap. Jerry

Jerry ... think
twice. Dont want to lose you here.

Like GURU says: we are guests here.

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'The program depicts an east-path as the path 305 flew. Why?'

They probably went with Bill Rataczak's version of events. Who knows? I only did a couple of interviews for the show. The rest of the time I was interviewing Geestman's ex up in Twisp, or doing the interviews with Helen.

They do a lot of stuff in post-production. (shrugs)

I see Jamie Cooper is back under a slightly different name. Don't worry, Jamie. Quade won't figure it out. Adding that '187' to the end of your name will fool him for sure. (*laughs*)

Do you know if the producer(s) interviewed Rat?

Its not meant as criticism but the graph they
put up doesnt match any flight path except for
being east-ish (far from PDX crossing the
Columbia). Sort of reminds me of the PI map
of the money find showing Tina Bar close to
Troutdale, which was funny. That and a few basic errors of fact made me wonder how well the priducers researched any of this .......... you
spoke so highly of them before?

Dont take any of this personally Robt. Im just
making observations ....

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Wasn't that cooper posting again or am I confused.Jerry

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Wasn't that cooper posting again or am I confused.Jerry

I thought yours was
directed at Jo! Sorry. Im confused too. I should mind my own business... Call if you want. Im
up.... trying to get lines to wrap right in this ...

[quade 4]

It takes you a few more minutes longer than it does for me to keep banning.

Let's see how long it takes this time.

quade -
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But if you are correct about memory of identification on Vicki father's pictures

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I have NO idea what you are talking about other than to ask you if you had seen the photo Vicki posted of her father. I may have said I didn't think he looked like Cooper. What does that have to do with my memory?

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Then you can't be sure about anything you say you have seen in october.

I am very sure of everything I saw and found in WA and OR in October of 2011 - WHY WOULD YOU EVEN QUESTION THAT?

Do you really think I would make that trip and visit all those senior centers and museums and spend all of that money NOT to record my trip and obtain facts...and spent hours upon hours after I got home communicating with the people who I interviewed and who share their memories with me.

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