georger 244 #20976 January 20, 2011 QuoteFair enough, we were getting sidetracked on the knife and cord stuff. Why didn't Cooper come aboard better equipped? He took a lot of time and effort to make a fake bomb, but as far as we know didnt carry anything aboard to secure the loot which was the most important item and the reason for the skyjack. 377 Once on the plane his primary concerns are escape and survival. He confirmed that in his comments to Tina which includes "I dont want it!" in reference to the money. He valued not being apprehended and survival over the money. Those core values on his part, may be one of the reasons he was never found, with or without any money. He apparently got his wish, by accident or by design. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #20977 January 20, 2011 QuoteThose core values on his part, may be one of the reasons he was never found, with or without any money. Interesting. If he REALLY didnt care about the money he may have abandoned it or stored it and never tapped it. The feds and the public were looking for an enriched Cooper, hoping to spot some guy with a big delta between earnings and spending or someone who was in real serious money trouble prior to the skyjack. Offering a bundle to Tina was really really odd. I mean he knows she cant accept it and that it is stolen money. Why offer it? To make Tina like him? Who would really appreciate getting an offer of stolen money? Did it really happen? Although not a perfect analogy its like a guy sticks up a 7-11 and tells the clerk, "here keep this" as he tosses back a few twenties. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #20978 January 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteThose core values on his part, may be one of the reasons he was never found, with or without any money. Interesting. If he REALLY didnt care about the money he may have abandoned it or stored it and never tapped it. The feds and the public were looking for an enriched Cooper, hoping to spot some guy with a big delta between earnings and spending or someone who was in real serious money trouble prior to the skyjack. Offering a bundle to Tina was really really odd. I mean he knows she cant accept it and that it is stolen money. Why offer it? To make Tina like him? Who would really appreciate getting an offer of stolen money? Did it really happen? 377 Whatever his motives were going into this I think once he was on the plane and time dragged out things changed in his mind _ a new motive set began to apply, which isnt uncomon but defines him. He was excited to see the money and surprised, "giddy", but more pressing concerns were in his mind and growing larger, exponentially. Survival and Freedom are powerful motivators .... for a certain class of crminals. This guy was in a huge bind now, on that plane, if he didnt have parachuting skills and luck. What good is money or a grudge if you're going to be dead in the next 20 minutes? His politeness may have been tantamount to a plea for mercy in the end, whatever politeness did to help control things earlier... think about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20979 January 20, 2011 QuoteThis guy was in a huge bind now, on that plane, if he didnt have parachuting skills and luck. What good is money or a grudge if you're going to be dead in the next 20 minutes? Except, of course, just because he accepted the parachutes and money didn't mean he HAD to use them in his escape. Up until the moment he steps into the void, he's still has 100% control over the situation. The crew thinks he has a bomb and virtually everyone is cooperating with him. He has virtually all night to decide what to do. I'm going to suggest that the giddy reaction to the money and his decision to quickly escape shortly after getting it means it was his motivation.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #20980 January 20, 2011 QuoteFair enough, we were getting sidetracked on the knife and cord stuff. Why didn't Cooper come aboard better equipped? He took a lot of time and effort to make a fake bomb, but as far as we know didnt carry anything aboard to secure the loot which was the most important item and the reason for the skyjack. The Tena Bar money tells Occam that whatever Cooper used as a secure container didn't work very well. 377 I think DB had on long handles under that suit... Just sayin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #20981 January 20, 2011 Cline, You know exactly what you are talking about and do have a lot of experience. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #20982 January 21, 2011 Actually there was pieces of money all over the area. The money was washed up on Tina's Bar the week it was found. This was verified by the fazio brothers and the Army Corps of Engineers. To Include the FBI. Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryThomas 0 #20983 January 21, 2011 Blevins why would he want the money to come in a back pack.He already had enough to strap on his back. Cooper didn't care how he got the money. He was shocked that he even got it.Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SKYWHUFFO 1 #20984 January 21, 2011 "These are good points, but remember: Cooper expected the money to come in either a knapsack or a backpack, NOT a canvas bag with a leather handle and a leather strap. (From Bill Rataczak) " This is an assumption not fact. Ratz is just like everyone else in this case. AN ASSUMPTION, not a fact based comment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #20985 January 21, 2011 QuoteActually there was pieces of money all over the area. The money was washed up on Tina's Bar the week it was found. This was verified by the fazio brothers and the Army Corps of Engineers. To Include the FBI. Jerry Jerry, Is the presence of a money fragment debris field present in any FBI or in the Palmer report? If it was there, doesnt it suggest that the loot was dredged? What is your current theory on ow the money got to Tena Bar? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo_Monster 0 #20986 January 21, 2011 Rataczak never laid eyes on Cooper. Neither did Scott or Anderson. They maybe (just maybe) could have seen the money as it was being loaded onto the AirStairs, but I doubt it. If Tina told me it was in a canvas bag with leather handles, I would believe it. But... the guy at the bank that packed it and the guy (in Alabama) who made it, said it was a "sack" with no handles and no closure. Who ya gonna believe? Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #20987 January 21, 2011 Scott never saw Cooper??? That is in conflict with page 27 of this document: http://www.adventurebooksofseattle.com/mediaonly/Blastpublicpreviewweb.pdf “Scott left the cockpit himself and headed to the rear of the plane to speak with Cooper. Several passengers turned their heads as he walked past. Scott pretended he was going to speak to a friend, so as not to alarm everyone. Taking a seat next to Cooper, he said quietly, “What’s this about a bomb?” Cooper let Scott glance into the briefcase for a split second. Scott got enough of a look to doubt the bomb was real, but he’d already been instructed to cooperate with the hijacker.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20988 January 21, 2011 Quote That is in conflict with page 27 of this document: http://www.adventurebooksofseattle.com/mediaonly/Blastpublicpreviewweb.pdf I guess that would be the first time one or another person has ever confabulated about DB Cooper then.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #20989 January 21, 2011 Thank you. I only use my 21 Years as a Paratrooper as the basis of my conclusions. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo_Monster 0 #20990 January 21, 2011 I found this on some guy named Sluggo’s web site: No one from the cockpit ever left it until they reached Reno. Authority: Table of Authorities #5 #5 – Transcript of Flight Crew Communications. This consists of information from a transcription of communication between Northwest Flight 305 and Northwest SEA Flight Ops, SEA Approach Control, SEA Ground Control, SEA Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), Oakland ARTCC and the Reno, NV Airport Traffic Control Center (ATCT). This transcript was supplied by the FBI. I don’t know if this Sluggo guy knows what he’s talking about or not, but that’s what he says. He said he talked to some guys at the FBI and they confirmed it, but who knows? As I said; “Who ya gonna believe? Web Page Blog NORJAK Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guru312 0 #20991 January 21, 2011 Quote Quote Quote That is in conflict with page 27 of this document: (Original version of book) I guess that would be the first time one or another person has ever confabulated about DB Cooper then. I think it's best if I stay away for a while. While you are away you could read up on how the Internet works. NOBODY violated your copyright!! What Sluggo did was include a link TO YOUR COMPANY WEBSITE where the document resides. Look at the original of what you chose to change: http://www.adventurebooksofseattle.com/...publicpreviewweb.pdf Again: He posted a link to YOUR COMPANY WEBSITE... You really must be hungry for crow a diet.Guru312 I am not DB Cooper Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guru312 0 #20992 January 21, 2011 QuoteDon't presume to tell me the rules about US copyrights. I'm quite familiar with them. I will presume that you don't know anything about how the Internet works. The following link takes you...or anyone else in the world!!...to your company webstie. Give it a try. It works for me. http://www.adventurebooksofseattle.com/mediaonly/Blastpublicpreviewweb.pdfGuru312 I am not DB Cooper Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guru312 0 #20993 January 21, 2011 Quote It's a link to a PDF. That's why the file name ends in P-D-F. It doesn't go to any website. But then I forgot...you're the internet expert, right? Uh, maybe not. One thing I found encouraging. It only shows the first 31 pages of the book. That was the short public preview. It's people like you that made us decide NOT to give the Revised Edition away free this time. Uh, maybe! Internet primer for you, copyright expert person: The link goes to your company website: adventurebooksofseattle.com It points to the directory: "/mediaonly" And it points to the file name. You did get one part correct: Blastpublicpreviewweb.pdf The file is a P-D-F. Grab your plate of crow and dig in...Guru312 I am not DB Cooper Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20994 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteDon't presume to tell me the rules about US copyrights. I'm quite familiar with them. QuoteI will presume that you don't know anything about how the Internet works. The following link takes you...or anyone else in the world!!...to your company webstie. Give it a try. It works for me. It's a link to a PDF. That's why the file name ends in P-D-F. It doesn't go to any website. But then I forgot...you're the internet expert, right? Uh, maybe not. One thing I found encouraging. It only shows the first 31 pages of the book. That was the short public preview. EDIT: Since it is only the first 31 pages being shown, I think I will let it stand if Quade wants to. Doesn't matter. The Revised Edition is completely different anyway. I completely cancelled that book a couple of months ago in favor of the new one. I was considering doing the same thing as last time, that is, making the entire book available free for two weeks, but after this, I would never do it. Someone from Dropzone would just post it up for distribution. So it's either the paperback or the DRM'd Kindle version. That's it. As far as I can tell it's a legit link to a company web site and if you want to talk to somebody about a Copyright violation, you really should be talking to Adventure Books for keeping the material on it. The material has NOT been uploaded though dropzone.com, however, in the interest of calming your nerves a bit I will disable the links here. You REALLY need to talk to Adventure Books though. They're the ones hosting it. If their security to a folder named "mediaonly" is as simple as linking to it, then they have an issue.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #20995 January 21, 2011 QuoteHaving trouble navigating around the website by using the link? mediaonly is a file storage name, not a webpage. The entire name, AB of Seattle and all, is a file name, not a location. I would pluck the feathers before you eat the crow. Goes down better that way. I'm not that pissed off anymore anyway. It was only the 31 page preview, and it's from the old book. Still a violation, but since that book is no longer for sale, I don't really care. It's people like you that helped me finalize my decision not to do the freebie this time. Sometimes we would do this, make a new release available free from a download at the site for a couple of weeks. The reason is because sometimes when people get to check the PDF, they go on to purchase the actual book. We will pass on this idea from now on. Sir, Calm Down. In the world of the internet "mediaonly" IS a location. It's a file folder on a web site. The name of the web site is "http://www.adventurebooksofseattle.com". On that web site, there is a FOLDER named "mediaonly". If it was a SECURE folder, we wouldn't be having this conversation. In that folder is a .pdf which is a named "Blastpublicpreviewweb.pdf". It is NOT a Copyright violation for somebody to link to that and especially when it was perfectly legal for them to do so. No break-in occurred. Nothing was stolen. It's an unsecured folder. I assume the link was for a preview as you've said, but it's perfectly clear to me the issue you have about the material still being available needs to be taken up with Adventure Books.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #20996 January 21, 2011 QuoteEDIT: Since it is only the first 31 pages being shown, I think I will let it stand if Quade wants to. Doesn't matter. The Revised Edition is completely different anyway. I completely cancelled that book a couple of months ago in favor of the new one. I was considering doing the same thing as last time, that is, making the entire book available free for two weeks, but after this, I would never do it. Someone from Dropzone would just post it up for distribution. So it's either the paperback or the DRM'd Kindle version. That's it. Groovy. I'm going to reactivate the links then. Edited to add Hopefully the links are back up, if not, somebody can just repost it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guru312 0 #20997 January 21, 2011 Quote.... somebody can just repost it. Me, me!!! Here is a link to the material in case you missed it: http://www.adventurebooksofseattle.com/mediaonly/Blastpublicpreviewweb.pdfGuru312 I am not DB Cooper Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #20998 January 21, 2011 EDIT: I called Skipp Porteous and since that quote about Captain Scott supposedly going back to check with Cooper came from him, I asked him to verify his source. He says he thinks Sluggo is wrong, but I have to admit I wondered about it myself. Skipp says he will check on it (from his files, etc) when he goes to the office tomorrow and let me know. If it is inaccurate, I will correct it and reload the print file. This only takes a few minutes. If it IS correct, then I'm going to quote a source, along with the statement. I will have to check to see if we even put that in the revised edition. Not sure. verbatum: (plane landed Reno at 11:02) "11:08 PM PST 305 Ok uh, I’ll tell you what – stand by just a moment – We’re uh, We’re gonna look back here and see what’s going on. RNO LC Ok. 11:09 PM PST 305 Ah Ground uh or Reno? Stand by for just a few moments please. We will be back with ya. RNO LC 305 Roger. 11:11 PM PST RNO LC 30 Northwest 305. Tower. Northwest 305 Reno Tower. 11:12 PM PST RNO LC Northwest 305. Tower. Northwest 305? Reno Tower. 11:13 PM PST*** RNO LC Northwest 305. Reno Tower. DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING ABOARD THE AIRCRAFT. EXIT THE AIRCRAFT FROM THE FRONT. DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING ABOARD THE AIRCRAFT AND EXIT FROM THE FRONT. 305 AE Reno this is Northwest uh 305. RNO LC Northwest 305. Reno tower. 305 OK SIR. BE ADVISED THAT UH WE APPARENTLY UH.. OUR PASSENGER TOOK LEAVE OF US SOMEWHERE UH .. BETWEEN HERE AND SEATTLE. WE HAVE MADE A RATHER ‘CURSORY’ EXAMINATION OF THE AIRCRAFT FOR THE UH, BRIEF CASE AND UH, WE ARE UNABLE TO DO THIS, WE WOULD LIKE TO SECURE THE AIRCRAFT. WE’LL LEAVE THE BEACON ON. WE’RE GOING TO, WELL FACT OF THE MATTER, IS WE’RE GOING TO SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN. WE’RE GOING TO TAKE LEAVE OF THE AIRCRAFT. WE WOULD REQUEST THAT UH WE HAVE GROUND TRANSPORTATION IF YA WOULD. AH WE DON’T NEED THE FUELERS. WE CERTAINLY THANK THEM FOR STANDING BY AND EVERYONE ELSE WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT AND HELP WE GOT AND IF WE COULD GET SOME UH TRANSPORTATION INTO, AH WELL AH I THINK UNITED HAS AN OPERATIONS AK DEPARTMENT HERE DO THEY NOT? 11:14 PM PST RNO LC 305 Affirmative. Do not touch anything on the aircraft. Depart the aircraft from The front entrance. Do not touch anything on it. Just depart it from the front. We Will have transportation available. . . . " What you are saying Blevins is that Rataczak's purported NEW evidence given to Porteous trumps the PI Transcripts ? This would obviously mean the PI Transcripts leaked to the PI were redacted. Yes or No? BTW: Its a distinct pleasure to help you write, edit, and manage your and AB's books? Do we get honorable mention? Is Rataczak being paid a commission? Why wont he talk to anyone else!? You do realise you and Gayla and Porteous have now put Rataczak's reputation on the line notto mention the reputations and former testimonies of others . . . not that it matters at all! Ckret posted on this matter: Ckret PM Friend Jumps License In sport : : : Dec 16, 2007, 11:35 AM Post #693 of 1694 (1684 views) Copy Shortcut Registered: Sep 7, 2007 Posts: 522 Re: [NickDG] Video of Cooper Evidence [In reply to] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one from the cockpit ever left it until they reached Reno. We may never know whether he jumped with the dummy chute or not. But if he went through the bother of throwing out the dummy, why not the second back chute and the one he took apart. The statements made by the witnesses indicate he tied the money to his waist. ibid: Scott speech `1997 Az Aero Club - Scott does not mention going back and sitting with Cooper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #20999 January 21, 2011 Quote I think DB had on long handles under that suit... Just sayin I spoke with Mitchell, the college student who sat across the isle from Cooper. I had 2 conversation with Mitchell and the contact was orginated with a family member. Without going back to my notes, he didn't pay much attention to Cooper and was the last person to reluctantly move forward, because he was studying. He didn't really pay much attention to the man. What he said "There was something sticking out from under his pants." I asked if it was socks and he didn't think so because the man had on Dark pants and socks don't hang down so he felt it was LONG UNDERWEAR. He told this to the FBI. He said he was a college student at the time and it had been too many yrs to remember what Cooper looked like. As for the photos I had at that time of Duane - he thought the ears might be too large, but it was his only negative comment and it had just been too many yrs for him to say that a photo of anyone was Cooper. He was young and just went on with his life - and that he truely did not remember what the man looked like. This is the same with any of the witnesses if they are being truthful. If you were on a plane in 1971 and 30 yrs later (I talked to Mitchell about 10 yrs ago) even though there was a commotion about this man - would you be able to identify a photo of Cooper after 30 yrs. I frankly do not believe there is anyone who could do that. It was Mitchell's opinion that Cooper was wearing long John's and that is the ONLY thing he really remembers regarding Cooper.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #21000 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteThis guy was in a huge bind now, on that plane, if he didnt have parachuting skills and luck. What good is money or a grudge if you're going to be dead in the next 20 minutes? Except, of course, just because he accepted the parachutes and money didn't mean he HAD to use them in his escape. Up until the moment he steps into the void, he's still has 100% control over the situation. The crew thinks he has a bomb and virtually everyone is cooperating with him. He has virtually all night to decide what to do. I'm going to suggest that the giddy reaction to the money and his decision to quickly escape shortly after getting it means it was his motivation. Or, that his bailout shortly? after receiving the money indicates his giddy reaction was a cathartic event bringing him out of a malaise (which had set in due to long hours waiting) to get to a decisive point - and he had decisions to make if he was going ahead with the plan, and he did. "Up until the moment he steps into the void, he's still has 100% control over the situation", except that he has just hijacked a plane and nothing to do except perhaps minimise it by giving up - your 100% control? Control over what? Ten years in prison no matter what at that point? It depends on how you define the game and the rational player. A rational player does not hijack in the first place and once done what defines rational becomes a variable ? Contrast all of this with McCoy. McCoy exercised far more control (strict controls) on the plane, chose a hijacking situation with far more variables for something going wrong, and screwed up both in the execution and in the landing. Correct? McCoy shot his mouth off and got caught. Cooper chose a very tightly restricted situation by comparison, less people to control, a smaller area to act in, remained polite, and bailed... Whcih one is the rational player in a hijacking scenario? Can you compare them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 Next Page 840 of 2570 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 50 50
quade 4 #20995 January 21, 2011 QuoteHaving trouble navigating around the website by using the link? mediaonly is a file storage name, not a webpage. The entire name, AB of Seattle and all, is a file name, not a location. I would pluck the feathers before you eat the crow. Goes down better that way. I'm not that pissed off anymore anyway. It was only the 31 page preview, and it's from the old book. Still a violation, but since that book is no longer for sale, I don't really care. It's people like you that helped me finalize my decision not to do the freebie this time. Sometimes we would do this, make a new release available free from a download at the site for a couple of weeks. The reason is because sometimes when people get to check the PDF, they go on to purchase the actual book. We will pass on this idea from now on. Sir, Calm Down. In the world of the internet "mediaonly" IS a location. It's a file folder on a web site. The name of the web site is "http://www.adventurebooksofseattle.com". On that web site, there is a FOLDER named "mediaonly". If it was a SECURE folder, we wouldn't be having this conversation. In that folder is a .pdf which is a named "Blastpublicpreviewweb.pdf". It is NOT a Copyright violation for somebody to link to that and especially when it was perfectly legal for them to do so. No break-in occurred. Nothing was stolen. It's an unsecured folder. I assume the link was for a preview as you've said, but it's perfectly clear to me the issue you have about the material still being available needs to be taken up with Adventure Books.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20996 January 21, 2011 QuoteEDIT: Since it is only the first 31 pages being shown, I think I will let it stand if Quade wants to. Doesn't matter. The Revised Edition is completely different anyway. I completely cancelled that book a couple of months ago in favor of the new one. I was considering doing the same thing as last time, that is, making the entire book available free for two weeks, but after this, I would never do it. Someone from Dropzone would just post it up for distribution. So it's either the paperback or the DRM'd Kindle version. That's it. Groovy. I'm going to reactivate the links then. Edited to add Hopefully the links are back up, if not, somebody can just repost it.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guru312 0 #20997 January 21, 2011 Quote.... somebody can just repost it. Me, me!!! Here is a link to the material in case you missed it: http://www.adventurebooksofseattle.com/mediaonly/Blastpublicpreviewweb.pdfGuru312 I am not DB Cooper Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #20998 January 21, 2011 EDIT: I called Skipp Porteous and since that quote about Captain Scott supposedly going back to check with Cooper came from him, I asked him to verify his source. He says he thinks Sluggo is wrong, but I have to admit I wondered about it myself. Skipp says he will check on it (from his files, etc) when he goes to the office tomorrow and let me know. If it is inaccurate, I will correct it and reload the print file. This only takes a few minutes. If it IS correct, then I'm going to quote a source, along with the statement. I will have to check to see if we even put that in the revised edition. Not sure. verbatum: (plane landed Reno at 11:02) "11:08 PM PST 305 Ok uh, I’ll tell you what – stand by just a moment – We’re uh, We’re gonna look back here and see what’s going on. RNO LC Ok. 11:09 PM PST 305 Ah Ground uh or Reno? Stand by for just a few moments please. We will be back with ya. RNO LC 305 Roger. 11:11 PM PST RNO LC 30 Northwest 305. Tower. Northwest 305 Reno Tower. 11:12 PM PST RNO LC Northwest 305. Tower. Northwest 305? Reno Tower. 11:13 PM PST*** RNO LC Northwest 305. Reno Tower. DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING ABOARD THE AIRCRAFT. EXIT THE AIRCRAFT FROM THE FRONT. DO NOT TOUCH ANYTHING ABOARD THE AIRCRAFT AND EXIT FROM THE FRONT. 305 AE Reno this is Northwest uh 305. RNO LC Northwest 305. Reno tower. 305 OK SIR. BE ADVISED THAT UH WE APPARENTLY UH.. OUR PASSENGER TOOK LEAVE OF US SOMEWHERE UH .. BETWEEN HERE AND SEATTLE. WE HAVE MADE A RATHER ‘CURSORY’ EXAMINATION OF THE AIRCRAFT FOR THE UH, BRIEF CASE AND UH, WE ARE UNABLE TO DO THIS, WE WOULD LIKE TO SECURE THE AIRCRAFT. WE’LL LEAVE THE BEACON ON. WE’RE GOING TO, WELL FACT OF THE MATTER, IS WE’RE GOING TO SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN. WE’RE GOING TO TAKE LEAVE OF THE AIRCRAFT. WE WOULD REQUEST THAT UH WE HAVE GROUND TRANSPORTATION IF YA WOULD. AH WE DON’T NEED THE FUELERS. WE CERTAINLY THANK THEM FOR STANDING BY AND EVERYONE ELSE WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT AND HELP WE GOT AND IF WE COULD GET SOME UH TRANSPORTATION INTO, AH WELL AH I THINK UNITED HAS AN OPERATIONS AK DEPARTMENT HERE DO THEY NOT? 11:14 PM PST RNO LC 305 Affirmative. Do not touch anything on the aircraft. Depart the aircraft from The front entrance. Do not touch anything on it. Just depart it from the front. We Will have transportation available. . . . " What you are saying Blevins is that Rataczak's purported NEW evidence given to Porteous trumps the PI Transcripts ? This would obviously mean the PI Transcripts leaked to the PI were redacted. Yes or No? BTW: Its a distinct pleasure to help you write, edit, and manage your and AB's books? Do we get honorable mention? Is Rataczak being paid a commission? Why wont he talk to anyone else!? You do realise you and Gayla and Porteous have now put Rataczak's reputation on the line notto mention the reputations and former testimonies of others . . . not that it matters at all! Ckret posted on this matter: Ckret PM Friend Jumps License In sport : : : Dec 16, 2007, 11:35 AM Post #693 of 1694 (1684 views) Copy Shortcut Registered: Sep 7, 2007 Posts: 522 Re: [NickDG] Video of Cooper Evidence [In reply to] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No one from the cockpit ever left it until they reached Reno. We may never know whether he jumped with the dummy chute or not. But if he went through the bother of throwing out the dummy, why not the second back chute and the one he took apart. The statements made by the witnesses indicate he tied the money to his waist. ibid: Scott speech `1997 Az Aero Club - Scott does not mention going back and sitting with Cooper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #20999 January 21, 2011 Quote I think DB had on long handles under that suit... Just sayin I spoke with Mitchell, the college student who sat across the isle from Cooper. I had 2 conversation with Mitchell and the contact was orginated with a family member. Without going back to my notes, he didn't pay much attention to Cooper and was the last person to reluctantly move forward, because he was studying. He didn't really pay much attention to the man. What he said "There was something sticking out from under his pants." I asked if it was socks and he didn't think so because the man had on Dark pants and socks don't hang down so he felt it was LONG UNDERWEAR. He told this to the FBI. He said he was a college student at the time and it had been too many yrs to remember what Cooper looked like. As for the photos I had at that time of Duane - he thought the ears might be too large, but it was his only negative comment and it had just been too many yrs for him to say that a photo of anyone was Cooper. He was young and just went on with his life - and that he truely did not remember what the man looked like. This is the same with any of the witnesses if they are being truthful. If you were on a plane in 1971 and 30 yrs later (I talked to Mitchell about 10 yrs ago) even though there was a commotion about this man - would you be able to identify a photo of Cooper after 30 yrs. I frankly do not believe there is anyone who could do that. It was Mitchell's opinion that Cooper was wearing long John's and that is the ONLY thing he really remembers regarding Cooper.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #21000 January 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteThis guy was in a huge bind now, on that plane, if he didnt have parachuting skills and luck. What good is money or a grudge if you're going to be dead in the next 20 minutes? Except, of course, just because he accepted the parachutes and money didn't mean he HAD to use them in his escape. Up until the moment he steps into the void, he's still has 100% control over the situation. The crew thinks he has a bomb and virtually everyone is cooperating with him. He has virtually all night to decide what to do. I'm going to suggest that the giddy reaction to the money and his decision to quickly escape shortly after getting it means it was his motivation. Or, that his bailout shortly? after receiving the money indicates his giddy reaction was a cathartic event bringing him out of a malaise (which had set in due to long hours waiting) to get to a decisive point - and he had decisions to make if he was going ahead with the plan, and he did. "Up until the moment he steps into the void, he's still has 100% control over the situation", except that he has just hijacked a plane and nothing to do except perhaps minimise it by giving up - your 100% control? Control over what? Ten years in prison no matter what at that point? It depends on how you define the game and the rational player. A rational player does not hijack in the first place and once done what defines rational becomes a variable ? Contrast all of this with McCoy. McCoy exercised far more control (strict controls) on the plane, chose a hijacking situation with far more variables for something going wrong, and screwed up both in the execution and in the landing. Correct? McCoy shot his mouth off and got caught. Cooper chose a very tightly restricted situation by comparison, less people to control, a smaller area to act in, remained polite, and bailed... Whcih one is the rational player in a hijacking scenario? Can you compare them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
