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the silk part = canopy? What silk part? What silk canopy?
Oh! The silk Amboy canopy you keep insisting was the Cooper chute.
Just slip that through the back door and it will become commonly accepted fact?

I think most people will fall in line?

Yep, we can add another one to that list.

Sometimes I'm in awe of how funny simple irony can be.

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What would account for the intact stacks of 20s ending up in the same general location as the debris field of currency shards that the Fazios have reported?

Georger?

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What would account for the intact stacks of 20s ending up in the same general location as the debris field of currency shards that the Fazios have reported?

Georger?

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The stacks being a part of an
original deposit.

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Why would the FBI cover up the truth about the Amboy chute in 2010?

Coverup, massive govt. conspiracy and BS are synonyms in my DBC thesaurus.

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'Don't give up reaching for the stars...
just build yourself a bigger ladder.'

Don't give up leaking at the bars...
just build yourself a bigger bladder.

What happened to Galen Cook? Did Blevins scare him off?

Why can't anyone produce a new DBC serialed 20? Just one is all I ask. Jamie? Galen? Vicki? Jo? Anyone?

If the money shards did exist at Tena Bar I sure wish the debris field had been surveryed with an eye towards estimating the amount of currency that was shredded.

Were the shards just on the surface, or distributed through some depth of sand?

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Snowmman is schooling me about govt conspiracies. and coverups. First MK Ultra and now this. Bruce and Bob, I may be headed for the dark side. Occam is just naive.

None of this proves anything about Norjack, but it shows that the govt is a lot dirtier and sneakier and downright diabolical than this Polyanna likes to believe. I still don't think Norjack was a govt conspiracy, but if anyone had told me about MK Ultra or Project 112 I'd have put it in the BS bin, and I'd have been dead wrong. The info on Project 112 claims all the subjects were volunteers, but in the military a call for volunteers isnt exactly a free will, no pressure, informed consent kind of deal.

Bruce, were you aware of Project 112? MK Ultra hired CIA selected hookers to interact with the test subjects. Who got the hookers in project 112? Generals I bet. Probably a budget line item for "staff assistants."

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Project 112 was a biological and chemical weapons experimentation project conducted by the US Army from 1962 to 1973

The existence of the project (along with the related Project SHAD) was categorically denied by the military until May 2000,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_112

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgewood_Arsenal_experiments

Thus, between 1950 and 1975, about 6,720 soldiers took part in experiments involving exposures to 254 different chemicals,
conducted at U.S. Army Laboratories at Edgewood Arsenal

About 260 subjects were experimentally exposed to various psychochemicals including phencyclidine (PCP), and 10 related
synthetic analogs of the active ingredient of cannabis (NRC 1984). The NRC report also mentions human experiments involving
exposure of 741 soldiers to LSD (NRC 1984).

This video is from a doctor who administered LSD tests at Edgewood Arsenal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWHNf4p7zdE

confirmation here
http://fhp.osd.mil/CBexposures/cwfieldtesting.jsp


A multi-phase field test (Project Dork) involving the dissemination of the hallucinogen BZ was conducted at Dugway Proving
Ground in 1964. The purposes of Project Dork were to test the effective dosage of BZ when disseminated in the open and to
collect treatment on BZ-induced delirium.

Summary

During the period September 1958 to November 1964, a series of field tests involving the use of LSD and in one instance the
use of agent BZ on human volunteers, were conducted at various military installations. Approximately 309 individuals were
involved in LSD testing and 10 in BZ testing. Not all these individuals were administered hallucinogenic agents. Some were
controls and given a placebo.


While the Medical Research Volunteer Program conducted at Edgewood Arsenal collected information on the effects of
psychochemicals (hallucinogenic drugs) on individuals, there was no information on how these drugs would affect groups of
people. Specifically, would they produce disorganizing and disruptive effects on military units? In order to gather the
required information, personnel from Edgewood Arsenal conducted field testing of LSD at Fort Bragg (1958) and Fort Benning
(1960). All personnel involved in the testing were volunteers and medical personnel closely monitored their condition.

Additional testing of LSD occurred at Fort McClellan (1959-1960) and Dugway Proving Ground (1959). The personnel tested at
Fort McClellan were volunteers from the Chemical School. After exposure to LSD, these volunteers performed various military
and non-military tasks. Little information relating to LSD testing at Dugway Proving Ground is available today. The test
apparently involved four officers who were administered LSD and then required to teach a class.

A multi-phase field test (Project Dork) involving the dissemination of the hallucinogen BZ was conducted at Dugway Proving
Ground in 1964. The purposes of Project Dork were to test the effective dosage of BZ when disseminated in the open and to
collect treatment on BZ-induced delirium.

Some wild claims here including the use of subs and planes to do bio attacks on US subjects: http://www.project-112shad-fdn.com/News_95.htm

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Nice how you twisted around that little phrase I invented to try and inspire people. Funny, though.

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'What happened to Galen Cook? Did Blevins scare him off?'

I'm hard on Cook. I had respect for him at one time, but that was when I thought he was a serious investigator. Once he supported the Janet story and went public with it, even speculating that the FBI threatened her because it would divert search efforts away from Merwin Lake...I lost all respect for the guy.

If I tried to push off a ridiculous story like that one around Dropzone, I would be blasted to pieces by other forum members. Couldn't believe some of you actually swallowed that story.

I think Galen took a big misstep on Janet's story, but he isnt the idiot that youd have us believe. I wish he'd explain why he republished Janets claims about seeing a person on the 727 steps as it flew over her residence. Janet's claims about FBI MIBs threatening her made no sense either.

Maybe Galen had cabin fever, all alone up there in AK. In my vinteractions with Galen I always found him to be a rational guy, open to the possibility that his suspect might not be DBC and a critical thinker. The Janet debacle is puzzling.

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Snowmman is schooling me about govt conspiracies. and coverups. First MK Ultra and now this. Bruce and Bob, I may be headed for the dark side. Occam is just naive.

On the other hand . . . since you KNOW about it now (and quite frankly I'm surprised you didn't, it's kind of common knowledge), then what could possibly be the government's reason for keeping the DB Cooper story secret?

Think about it. They're willing to admit to all sorts of truly heinous acts in the past and you can find some really gruesome stuff if you dig or even some insanely wacky stuff like the First Earth Battalion, but DB Cooper they'd keep secret?

Why?

Even assassination plots to kill Castro have been made public. What reason would there be to keep something as trivial as a parachuting exercise secret after all these years?

There wouldn't be.

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I agree with you Quade, when large numbers of people get involved in these kinds of clandestine ops they eventually come to public view, e.g Pentagon Papers. The Internet has greatly accelerated the process.

I can actually see the logic in the military's interest in the use and effects of psychotropic chemicals as weapons. I just can't see the logic in the govt staging Norjack.

I am doomed to like Coast to Coast AM and to be cynically sceptical of every wild claim I hear on it.

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Nice how you twisted around that little phrase I invented to try and inspire people. Funny, though.

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'What happened to Galen Cook? Did Blevins scare him off?'

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I'm hard on Cook. I had respect for him at one time, but that was when I thought he was a serious investigator. Once he supported the Janet story and went public with it, even speculating that the FBI threatened her because it would divert search efforts away from Merwin Lake...I lost all respect for the guy.

If I tried to push off a ridiculous story like that one around Dropzone, I would be blasted to pieces by other forum members. Couldn't believe some of you actually swallowed that story.

That is an Extremely Ungrateful thing to say:

Listen the only reason you have not put a lot of the same kind of things out on the racks is because of "jerks" like me and the rest of the crew (everyone who has actual knowledge of facts and has spoke to the crew and other principals and/or studies the technical issues and probabilities and last, but not least the skyjumpers with actual working experience on this forum)....

If it was not for this thread you would have a piece of garbage hitting the shelves regarding FACTS. As for your suspect - well, I think you are out in left field, but that is my BIAS opinion and it doesn't mean S---


Feeling every emotion we have in the emotioncons other than angelic. We should have let you go to press with all of YOUR errors that you blame on Porteous.

Everyone here knows we have had to hold your hand and walk you thru the technicals and the facts yet you don't acknowlege this to these people and you will never admit this in public on a radio program or a tv program that your book was full of factual and technical mistakes until the DZ stepped in.

Everyone here has tried to keep you on track with the facts just because we care about the distortions that have continued for yrs in the media regarding facts, NOT because we support your subject and the least you could do is NOT make fun of other writers and those who have other suspects - because the rear-end of a Jack Ass might be staring you in the face before all of this is over....I will leave that to the imagination of all.

You discrediting someone else's research! Where would your research be if not for the thread?Galen did not have 100's of people providing him with and feeding him the things you have been tutored thu on this thread.

Yes, Galen gets a little off on something and he jumps when he should sit still. Both Galen and myself have a Passion for the subject that you cannot hold a candle to....you are only into this to make a name for yourself and for the money!

Christiansen was NOT Cooper and Christiansen was in no way involved in the only Unsolved Skyjacking in history.

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And yet...that chute hasn't a hole in it, even though it was buried (if you believe the FBI version) since 1945/46. That is 63 years.

Source please.



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Bill says neither he, Scotty, or H.E. Anderson went to the back of the cabin.

Kudos to you Robert. I believe in giving credit where credit is due, you are doing the right thing. Also, kudos for some of the “eating crow” statements you made a while back. Again, you did the right thing and retracted incorrect statements. I’ll buy you a beer at the Ariel Store Event next year.



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The Seattle FBI mostly relied on Cossey regarding the Amboy chute. Okay, fine. But then you have Ralph Himmelsbach saying that Cossey is a nice guy but that sometimes he gets things wrong. Maybe he was wrong this time too.

Ever consider that Himmelsbach might be wrong? One is a retired FBI Agent, certainly an expert in his field (in this case NORJAK). The other is an expert skydiver, rigger, with a grunge of experience and the guy who packed (and owned) Cooper’s chute. He is certainly an expert in regard to Cooper’s chute. Maybe we could arrange to have “The Battle of the Experts”. Anybody know a good promoter?



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If I tried to push off a ridiculous story like that one around Dropzone, I would be blasted to pieces by other forum members. Couldn't believe some of you actually swallowed that story.

I communicate with Galen frequently and I have criticized him for two major things. Going on CTC AM and posting about “The Janet Story”. I think it hurts his credibility. But, what he has said and done, is fundamentally the same things as you have said and done. Both of you have drawn the curve, then plotted the points that fit, while discarding those that don’t. Neither of you have my vote for “Scientific Investigator of the Year”. I’m not qualified to vote for “Book Seller of the Year”, so I can’t speak to that.


What happened here (on this thread) last night?

I made couple of post about Scott not ever going back to talk to Cooper and the next thing I know there are a bunch of posts retracted and edited with one referencing some link I posted.

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What Sluggo did was include a link TO YOUR COMPANY WEBSITE where the document resides.

I don’t recall posting any links (yesterday).

Then there was a string of post that didn’t make a whole lot of sense.

Anyway it’s good to know that all is normal in the “tiny kingdom”.

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Bill says neither he, Scotty, . . .

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Bill. Scotty?
Shorty. "The Scott". "Peaches". ?

Beam me up, Scotty.

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Snowmman is schooling me about govt conspiracies. and coverups. First MK Ultra and now this. Bruce and Bob, I may be headed for the dark side. Occam is just naive.

On the other hand . . . since you KNOW about it now (and quite frankly I'm surprised you didn't, it's kind of common knowledge), then what could possibly be the government's reason for keeping the DB Cooper story secret?

Think about it. They're willing to admit to all sorts of truly heinous acts in the past and you can find some really gruesome stuff if you dig or even some insanely wacky stuff like the First Earth Battalion, but DB Cooper they'd keep secret?

Why?

Even assassination plots to kill Castro have been made public. What reason would there be to keep something as trivial as a parachuting exercise secret after all these years?

There wouldn't be.

Agreed. Even I, on the southern tip of Africa and literally half a world away, am aware of these things in the internet age. And 377's point about conspiracies not staying secret is spot on, as we have seen time and time again. This is precisely why all the conspiracy theories around this case are hogwash. We know about MKUltra, etc etc. We know about all sorts of stuff the CIA did in all sorts of places. For a country whose democratic and free press systems allow all this to be known, allow all sorts of dirty deeds like engineering coups and assasinations to be known, hell even allow its own president to be brought down (in other countries I can think of woodward and bernstein would have been 'mysteriously' killed or disappeared and the washington post shut down) ... never mind Occam, any rational person would battle to see anything that important that it would still be hidden today.

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Nice how you twisted around that little phrase I invented to try and inspire people. Funny, though.

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'What happened to Galen Cook? Did Blevins scare him off?'

I'm hard on Cook. I had respect for him at one time, but that was when I thought he was a serious investigator. Once he supported the Janet story and went public with it, even speculating that the FBI threatened her because it would divert search efforts away from Merwin Lake...I lost all respect for the guy.

If I tried to push off a ridiculous story like that one around Dropzone, I would be blasted to pieces by other forum members. Couldn't believe some of you actually swallowed that story.

Raise your hand if you did...say no if you thought it was hogwash.

... which proves you havent read this thread.
Galen received a big shot of cactus for the Janet
story, and then it was dropped.

Galen inherited the Janet story from Tosaw. You
may disagree but I have communicated with Galen.
Galenand Tosaw were close. I think Galen put out
the Janet story out of a sense of duty to Tosaw,
his friend. And of course for any sense of intrinsic
merit he was wondering about - the story had.
Galen wanted opinions, simple as that?

What's the object of your Jehad against Galen?

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And yet...that chute hasn't a hole in it, even though it was buried (if you believe the FBI version) since 1945/46. That is 63 years.

Source please.


No... I mean where did you get the idea that the chute had been burred for 63 years. I don't know of anyone who has made such a statement.

Were talking about kids finding an item uncovered when Dad was gradeing a driveway, not archeology.

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This is the only sticky part of the situation. The parachute is old, but no one knows how long it was actually buried. The only way to find out is to interview the family, but the FBI hasn't revealed their names. You might be able to determine how long it was there by knowing how long the people have owned the property and how long the ground had been previously left undisturbed.

I'd be willing to bet if someone goes down to Amboy and starts asking enough questions, they are going to find out who unearthed the chute. Amboy is a REALLY small town. About 2,100 people.

I say Bruce Smith should go. Seriously. Not a joke.

If the Amboy parachute isn't the DB Cooper parachute (and we know it's not; right?), then who gives a rats ass?

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This is the only sticky part of the situation. The parachute is old, but no one knows how long it was actually buried. The only way to find out is to interview the family, but the FBI hasn't revealed their names. You might be able to determine how long it was there by knowing how long the people have owned the property and how long the ground had been previously left undisturbed.

I'd be willing to bet if someone goes down to Amboy and starts asking enough questions, they are going to find out who unearthed the chute. Amboy is a REALLY small town. About 2,100 people.

I say Bruce Smith should go. Seriously. Not a joke.

If the Amboy parachute isn't the DB Cooper parachute (and we know it's not; right?), then who gives a rats ass?

He blames the FBI for not publishing the names
and forgets the PRESS hasnt either?

I wonder why.....

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So what you are also saying is that you are convinced the Amboy chute is no-way Cooper's. Not a chance, nada, not happening, negatory. I'm not convinced it is either, but I do have questions about it.

Absolutely, 100%, NOT one of the DB Cooper parachutes.

I dunno if you've ever seen this;
http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/archives/135556.asp

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Jerry posted this back some time ago:

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Georger the Bag was a normal canvas bank bag.With no ties. According to the bank and the FBI and the stewardess and Ralph.Thats what was delivered to Cooper.I think this will be my last post for awhile you know how to contact me if you need too. Jerry

D.B.Cooper - Exposed

I understand they dedicated a complete chapter to JT and decided he was a nut case at the end of it. I haven't read the book, but one is on the way.
Might explain Jerry excusing himself for a while...as he created the same chaos for Harry and George as he did for me. In my case what I saw didn't exist per Jerry - yet, I found all but one of the sites. Had Jerry have been the expert he claimed to be - and had actually have listened and gone to the places - this thing could have been over 10 yrs ago.

As for Galen Cook it is very evident he attempted to retrace Tosaw's investigation. I don't know if the book talks about Galen and Tosaw. I will say that Galen has been at this for a long time...and so have I. We both hurt our credibility at times - because we think OUT LOUD. I will attest to the problems that causes.

I was told the Nuttall's book mentions Government Island and many things I have stated and tried to tell since May 25, 1996 - I didn't even have a map of the state when I made that phone call, just a book that was mostly fiction. I knew zero about Cooper other than what was in that book and yet the things I told the FBI in those calls that evening and the ensueing conversations with Himmelsbach - are the very things I related to the FBI and others in regards to Weber with NO prior knowledge of the case.

Blevins again came out with his long defensive list of why Christiansen was Cooper, yet I have those SAME kind of records regarding Duane Weber. Blevins has NOTHING on Christiansen I do not have on Weber other than he can put him in a chute.
Plus Duane confessed to being Cooper and told me he hurt his leg jumping out of a plane - I just did NOT understand what he was talking about even when he said "I'm Dan Cooooper"!

In the last few days something POPPED up I did NOT expect, but something I have been curious about...something Duane told me. I cannot discuss this in the thread at this time, but will when I find out the WHY and the FACTS. Georger, I need to SPEAK with you, because you might have an explanation for what I have run into...but it is NOT for public info at this time.

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Blevins again came out with his long defensive list of why Christiansen was Cooper, yet I have those SAME kind of records regarding Duane Weber. Blevins has NOTHING on Christiansen I do not have on Weber other than he can put him in a chute.

You say "other than he can put him in a chute" as though it's meaningless. Do you remember your first post here on dz.com, Jo? That is supposedly what you have spent all these years on here trying to do. So Blevins is not just one up on your case then, but a very significant one up, judged on your own basis.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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The FBI has no right to keep the chute if the finders want it returned. Blevins could ask them to request it's return and then have it examined by independent experts.

Cosseys rigger log has the SN of every emergency canopy he has packed. If he says the Amboy canopy isn't the Cooper chute I believe him. If it were the Cooper chute it would belong to Cossey and be worth thousands of dollars. Why would he pass up the opportunity?

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The FBI has no right to keep the chute if the finders want it returned. Blevins could ask them to request it's return and then have it examined by independent experts.

Cosseys rigger log has the SN of every emergency canopy he has packed. If he says the Amboy canopy isn't the Cooper chute I believe him. If it were the Cooper chute it would belong to Cossey and be worth thousands of dollars. Why would he pass up the opportunity?

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Evidence pertaining to an on going investigation in an open case?

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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Nice to know that Bill was able to ‘verify’ that no one from the cockpit went to the back of the plane. This is in alignment with long established information.

Now there is that pesky matter of how a null set managed to materialize into an extremely detailed account of Captain Scott meeting and interacting with DB Cooper. Where did this come from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J834KH43YgE&feature=related

After the boundless talk about investigating skills and interviewing prowess with digital (not analog) recorders and certifications of the same; where did this fail? How did this happen? Who is responsible for missing the verification, cross check and allowing publication?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNjPgE1muTM&feature=related

I guess this will go to the same place that the Dan Cooper comic book being seen on Shemya in the 50’s and simply be ignored or suddenly portrayed as not that significant in the first place. So getting it completely wrong is not worth any consideration. A strange research technique to be sure, but it never seems to impeach a source so it must be a worthy behavior to repeatedly employ.

At least the price of admission is right for the “Lamest Show on Earth”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0&feature=related

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Remember...these guys (the Feds) are the same people who swore the hijacker was McCoy. They were sure of it.

Robert, this is why people (like me) do not give credence to your claims. It is not that we don’t like you (some do, some don’t) nor is it that we hate authors trying to hawk books on a forum (you can deny it, but no one will believe you because you have no credence). It is because you “play fast and loose” with the facts. Take a look at your quote above and dissect it. You say:

The feds:
I assume you mean the FBI, but you could be talking about the FAA, CIA, DOT, DOE, DoD, Dept. of Agriculture or any agency), but for now let’s assume you mean the FBI.

Swore:
That is usually testimony under oath, but you could be using a less formal definition and mean that they “stated adamantly”.

They:
Again a reference to an arm or collective of the government, again, we’ll assume you mean the FBI.

Were sure:
That means convinced “beyond a doubt”.

So what you have said is: The FBI stated adamantly that the hijacker was McCoy.

This is patently absurd. Only an author (not a dirty word, exactly) Bernie Road-Kill (Author) assisted by Russ Calamine-Lotion (Contributor) has made any statement anywhere near your assertion. They quoted the agent who killed McCoy (Agent Nicholas O'Hara) as supposedly saying, "When I shot Richard McCoy, I shot D. B. Cooper at the same time." Calamine-Lotion was retired FBI, NOT the FBI, he didn’t represent the Bureau or any other government agency. He just fed info to an author who wanted to sell books. (The BYU Medallion claim has been thoroughly discredited, so how can you believe anything else in the book?)

If the FBI thought Cooper was killed in a shootout 36-years ago why would the case be open to this day?

Some free and unsolicited advice (so it’s worth what you paid for it); Establish your credibility THEN publish a book. Not the other way around. We all know the questions you asked the “experts” when you started “Blast”. My!... You have come a long way… NOT!



Farflung,

You always make me smile (oh… that sounds soooo gay).

Two of the You-Tube videos you posted made me laugh and remember.

The Laurel & Hardy Museum (250 North Louisville Street, Harlem, GA 30814-6012, (706) 556-0401) is located about 20 miles from where I am living (here in Augusta). I tried to visit one day, but they have very limited hours.

The trio from Julius Fucik’s “Entry Of The Gladiators” (begins at 1:27) was my high school’s cross-town rival’s fight song. I haven’t heard it in about 45-years. (They were the East Rome Gladiators, we were the West Rome Chieftains).

Anyway, you made me chuckle and smile (now it doesn’t seem nearly so gay).

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Remember...these guys (the Feds) are the same people who swore the hijacker was McCoy. They were sure of it.

Robert, this is why people (like me) do not give credence to your claims.

And people like me.

Not only did you post 4-5 posts of total nonsense regarding copyright and Internet operation, you then removed the material so readers would not be able to see how ridiculous your statements were. That is sad.

Not only did you remove your incorrect rants, you also removed the very material that you were ranting about when I pointed out to you that the material had no attribution for the photo that you used.

It puzzles me why you didn't use a proof reader who knew something about the material to review it before publication. By your own words, only 75% of the material was correct.

I read on the Internet that any fifth grader knows more about parachutes, parachute material, the qualities of suspension line and the difficulty one may have tying a package to a harness. Matter of fact, I read that some fifth graders have more knowledge than a Senior Parachute Rigger with 40 years of experience.

I have been thinking about what word I would use to describe your presentations and postings here on DropZone.com. The best one that I have so far is disingenuous. en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disingenuous

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