DB Cooper

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Like you got every thing right. realy. What a farse.I think that could be a statement some people could make. Funny thing is that a statement you should have made. Oh! wait ! Only if you did a re right or a corected edition . If that happened maybe you new your book was fictional. Jerry

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Jo: Haven't seen the book you mention.

Before I took on this DB Cooper thing, I mostly read science fiction and true-life adventure, crime novels, and a few other genres. I'm pretty selective on what I read because I'm also pretty busy. I haven't read any of the DB Cooper books.

If the book “D.B. Cooper: The Real McCoy” is searched on Amazon, there is a single 2 star review that is quite interesting.

(See attachment: Adventure Books Review)

It looks like someone at Adventure Books of Seattle or perhaps a person posing as a person at the same, has taken it upon themselves to write a bad review about The Real McCoy.

RobertMBlevins states he has not read any DB Cooper books so it could not be him as he is so honest.

Someone needs to answer for this outrage and be soundly thrashed for such a blatant impropriety. An act which is best described as disingenuous.

Ohhh that is BAD! - that does not stand the credibility test does it? He even tried to talk his way out of this one, but maybe he has enough pull to get this expunged from the site.

How do you criticize a book you never read - I don't care what you say about it - good or bad - you have to READ the book to do a review and on top of that he has a competive book getting ready to go on the shelves....that is to say the least not only in bad taste is is TOTALLY wrong and probably unethical.

Doesn't the Writers Guild have a Code of Ethics. Most organization do have a Code of Ethics. Even the lowly insurance salesman has rules and regulation.

Real Estate has a Code of Ethics and a breach of those ethic can get your license taken away from you and/or a very stiff fine.

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Jo We all no you have read every book written on the Cooper case. It is very obvious. All we have to do is read your past post .The Most conflicted! of your stories mirror all your traveling accounts that are almost a correct Quote from the books you have read. Sorry I did not mean to bring up some of your past post that stated that duane told you that cooper had hid the money under the cowitz river bridge.or the post you made that you and duane drove up to tina Bar and he opened the trunk of the car,he took out a shovel and a bag. Then showed back up later why didn't you follow him? I realy don't want a answer All I want to Know is why You question all new comers to this case that chalenge you . and your claim.Jerry

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Jo We all no you have read every book written on the Cooper case. It is very obvious. All we have to do is read your past post .The Most conflicted! of your stories mirror all your traveling accounts that are almost a correct Quote from the books you have read. Sorry I did not mean to bring up some of your past post that stated that duane told you that cooper had hid the money under the cowitz river bridge.or the post you made that you and duane drove up to tina Bar and he opened the trunk of the car,he took out a shovel and a bag. Then showed back up later why didn't you follow him? I realy don't want a answer All I want to Know is why You question all new comers to this case that chalenge you . and your claim.Jerry

Jerry. I have already quoted the post I sent to the producer BEFORE I went to WA in 2001 explaining to her the places I described to you....YOU are the one who provided the names of the places - and because I didn't have a detailed map there was nothing I could do other than accept what you said.

I at least had one productive day before leaving WA in 2001 because some locals stepped into help me. Do you remember claiming you contacted the undercover cop who was with me on that last day? You didn't. Do you remember saying there was no one with me? Do you remember saying I rented a car in 2001 and you could prove it?

It might interest you to know that I spent 2 nights with those individuals while I was in WA. in Oct of 2010. I also found all, but one of the places I describe to you in 1996. I told you about them a few wks ago - and I even provide the names of some of the people. Unfortunately some are deceased now, but when I contacted you in 1996 several of the people were still alive. Your actions may have buried Cooper forever.

You do know there is a complete chapter about JT (encase you don't know that is you, Jerry Thomas) in Nuttall's book? Do you really think NO ONE here knows this? If you read it and you are proud of it then you had to have been wearing Rose colored glasses while smoking some of that MJ,

I challenge these "newcomers" to do some research by private email and Vickie went out and DID it. I challenged Jamie, but he did nothing, but make retorical comments we all knew could not be true. As for AL - I only found one part of his story to be true in the 11 yrs plus I talked to him - that Duane and his ex-wife were in MN for about 2 months.

These are hard facts Jerry and these folk don't come here to hear you call me a liar and for me to defend myself. I don't have to

No, I have not read all of the Cooper books, but I don't make reviews of books I have never read,

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A point of order was sent to me by Snowman. He said that the authors were actually sued because they named McCoy's wife as a possible participant in the Utah hijacking, not because McCoy wasn't the guy.

He's right, of course. He also said that even though the wife admitted to her involvement in court, she still won the case. I'll just take his word on that one I think.

Blevins, why dont you do some home study so
you dont have to be coached all the way to the
Nobel Prize?

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According to “D. B. Cooper: The Real McCoy” (Rhodes/Calame), on page 3:

“On 24 November 1971, a lone male Caucasian, using the name of Dan (misidentified by the press as D. B.) Cooper, hijacked Northwest Orient Airlines Flight 305 between Portland and Seattle and parachuted from the rear stairs that cold, rainy Thanksgiving Eve with $200,000 of the airline’s money.”

The FBI says:

http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/dbcooper.htm

“On November 24, 1971, an unknown subject….”

The site ‘Timeanddate’, displays 24 November 1971 as a Wednesday, the day BEFORE Thanksgiving.

http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1971&country=1


Adventure Books of Seattle points out in a review:

“McCoy was not in Washington on Thanksgiving, 1971…the date of the original Cooper hijacking.”

Ref: (Attachment- Adventure Books Information)


Those ‘authors’ Rhodes and Calame made a disingenuous choice by using the FBI for information and look like a pair of boobs under the withering critique of Adventure Books.

How much more of a pounding can Rhodes and Calame take???

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A point of order was sent to me by Snowman. He said that the authors were actually sued because they named McCoy's wife as a possible participant in the Utah hijacking, not because McCoy wasn't the guy.

He's right, of course. He also said that even though the wife admitted to her involvement in court, she still won the case. I'll just take his word on that one I think.

However, the bottom line still remains. McCoy was proven not to be D.B. Cooper, and that's why I posted up the review recommending people away from the book. No, I haven't read it. And I don't belong to the Writers' Guild.

I do have a membership with the Northwest Science Fiction Society, if that means anything. I sometimes get letters from Ursula K. LeGuin. If I didn't already have a mother, I would ask that sweet lady to adopt me in a heartbeat. She's way too cool.

I took a creative writing class from her at Portland State U back in the 1980's. Her book Always Coming Home was the required reading for the class. I have always enjoyed her books. Last year I "read" Lavinia while commuting to and fro from work.

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I don't want prizes. I just want to go camping and do some fishing at the lake. I actually crammed your suggestion about the testing into the ms at the very last second before I uploaded the modified book file to LSI. I would have used your name, but I don't know it, so I just referred to you as a friend. Hope you don't mind.

Northwest Laboratories has agreed to do the testing on the Kenny hidey-hole. They probably won't find a thing.

There you go. You're on your way ...

you have a PM.

[edit] you also need to nail down everything you
can about the $20's found on that property - who,
what, when, etc. What happened to the money
after it was found by "who". It's probably just a
coincidence but having the info is crucial to your
claims.

Personal request: STOP blasting people's books
etc. You have a lot on your plate, just concentrate
on it and move on and leave the philosophising
to others. You need to get down to business ...
and cease with all the speculations. That's just
good advice ...

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Does this have anything to say about d.b.Cooper

What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo

Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama

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Does this have anything to say about d.b.Cooper

which links to a youtube video of Rick Astley singing Never Gonna Give You Up.

I prefer the late Rick James over Rick Astley (the music, not the behavior). If Michael Jackson had Rick Jame's constitution he'd be alive today. Rick did amazing amounts of hard drugs for years and in the end was felled by pulmonary disease, not an OD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_James

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The start of the 1990s brought with it a string of bizarre and sometimes horrific incidents for Rick James. He was a known drug user, mainly addicted to crack cocaine, which he often smoked; he later admitted to spending about US$7,000 a week on drugs for five years straight. In 1991, a coked-up James assaulted music executive Mary Sauger, at the St. James Club and Hotel in West Hollywood. Sauger claims she met James and his future wife Tanya Hijazi for a business meeting, but claims the two kidnapped and beat her over a 20-hour period.

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In 2003, James was a part of a skit on Chappelle's Show called "Charlie Murphy's True Hollywood Stories". He, along with Charlie Murphy (brother of Eddie Murphy) recounted humorous stories of their experiences together during the early 1980s. During the skit, Rick James' character, played by Dave Chappelle, utters the now famous catchphrase "I'm Rick James, Bitch!" The skits were punctuated by James, as himself, explaining his past behavior with the phrase "Cocaine is a hell of a drug!".

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"On the morning of August 6, 2004, Rick James was found dead in his Burbank, California, home at the Oakwood apartment complex on Barham Boulevard by his caretaker....Through his autopsy it was discovered he was under the influence of alprazolam, diazepam, bupropion, citalopram, hydrocodone, digoxin, chlorpheniramine, methamphetamine and cocaine.[3] However the coroner would go on to say; "None of the drugs or drug combinations were found to be at levels that were life threatening in and of themselves. "[4] He was buried at Forest Lawn Cemetery in Buffalo.

If your point is that someone knows who Cooper is but is "never gonna give you up", then you are at the wrong place. Everyone is giving up Coopers here. We have at least half a dozen served up so far.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Blevins Stated"

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Come on, you're reaching. Is that the best you can do to knock my little review? Or are you saying that I was wrong and McCoy was actually in the Northwest when the hijacking occurred? If so, you should support the book by showing how wrong I was about that.

Mr. Blevins if one is going to do a review - READING the book is required. You posted as a review and NOT an opinion or fact and have STATED YOUR SOURCE.

I expect there many of us when YOUR book is made available will react in kind to your own disregard and disrespect for what is called a "review" regarding the efforts of other writers.

Your desperation is apparent when you offer to send complimentary copies of the lastest revision to newpaper reporters! When they question all of your revisions you get your back up and refuse to make good on your offer.

After reading what you say in this forum and what comes down thru the "grapevine" - you are destroying any credibility you may have had. You are sounding like a very desperate individual. This is not stated to sound ugly, but for you to stop and think about the persona you are projecting.

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I don't share Jo's dark view of Blevins. He is just a writer who pursued a KC=DBC theory and publshed a book about it. I don't agree with his KC=DBC thesis but I am glad he got some major DBC publicity through the MytHistory Channel video.

Jo keeps all these secrets, often teases and posts theories just as speculative as anything Blevins has posted or published.

Blevins never claimed to be able to prove that KC=DBC. Jo has, in the past, claimed that she could prove that DW=DBC but has never delivered the proof.

I am glad both of them post here. No need to take shots at each other.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I don't share Jo's dark view of Blevins. He is just a writer who pursued a KC=DBC theory and publshed a book about it. I don't agree with his KC=DBC thesis but I am glad he got some major DBC publicity through the MytHistory Channel video.

Jo keeps all these secrets, often teases and posts theories just as speculative as anything Blevins has posted or published.

Blevins never claimed to be able to prove that KC=DBC. Jo has, in the past, claimed that she could prove that DW=DBC but has never delivered the proof.

I am glad both of them post here. No need to take shots at each other.

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But, if he is going to opin about a book and give a "review", then he should at least have read the book and know what it says and have done some background work?

That was clearly not the case.

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I don't share Jo's dark view of Blevins.

I don't have a"dark" view of him just pointing out he is NOT helping himself with his actions or recent. I am not taking shots at him only mirroring exactly what others state in and off of this thread.

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Jo keeps all these secrets, often teases and posts theories just as speculative as anything Blevins has posted or published.

In my defense - I AM NOT writing a book, nor have I put a book out on the shelves...I am posting to a forum...I am having a discussion with people who have the same interest I have and I contribute what information I can. When my information involves names and other people - I do have to be guarded in what I say here.

I have also been a victim of he said, she said - so I try to make sure I have a valid reason for stepping on a boundary where other people are involved.

When one has a personal investment in their research be it time, money or a personal conviction some things do have to remain private until the Deed is done and/or the assignment completed.

That is odd: I just made an expression - that prior to coming to this thread I had only heard come out of the mouth of Duane Weber. "The Deed is Done". Is that just a common expression or does it orginate from - Geographics, Heritage, Military, CIA, FBI, Coverts, Thieves, Prisons or is use of the express just normal. (I have lived a sheltered life).

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[skyjack71 0]

It is eeriely quiet in here tonight!
I have been trying to access the site for Petersen book and NOW I lost the site url.

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On or about December of 2007
This was posted by Safecrack:
I have not read through it, but the reason I am posting this is because I want to see HOW much of this has change in over 3 yrs of my posting. In fact I do not even know when I started to post in the DZ.

I am going to put a emotioncon if I think it is something that has changed or may have been incorrect - please do not attack this as I am going to be putting Duane to rest very soon and I just want to get somethings straight for the record.


Summary of Weber: VERY LONG

I realize there are countless people out there with hundreds of theories regarding Cooper; who he was, whether he lived or not, and how he got away with it (or didn't).

Since this thread was started by Skyjack71 to assist her of finding evidence that would help point to Duane or point away from Duane, I will start here. A similar effort could be made for all the top suspects and for yet unknown suspects, but in my opinion, Duane continues to be the strongest suspect for reasons outlined below.

First, Duane actually confessed to the crime and confessed to being Dan Cooper. False confessions have happened and continue to happen everyday around the world, but they are generally coerced or an attempt to bring the confessor into some glory. Countless people made various confessions to the FBI about being Cooper.

What separates Duane from almost all of these false confessors is that Duane waited until the very last moments of his life to make the confession, and he confessed only to his wife. He signed over his living will to his doctors, basically signing his own death certificate stating that he was to remain off of kidney treatments. He was expected to die within 5 days. Once the paper work was completed, the nurses left him alone with his wife. Skyjack71 didn't know who Dan Cooper was, but she can clearly remember the name because he pronounced it in a peculiar way. When she continued to challenge Duane on the confession (telling him that his story was non-sense), Duane cursed loudly. Having heard Duane getting upset and thinking he was having trouble dealing with his pain and the idea of his ultimate death, the nurses rushed in and immediately gave him a shot of morphine.

No other top suspect that I'm aware of, has ever confessed to being Dan Cooper, and if they did, I highly doubt they would do it at such a serious time in their life. Facing your own death is not the time for fun and games! This is a very serious matter that I'd believe most people would find humbling and would want to speak their mind as honestly as possible.

When I spoke to my grandfather for the last time, while he was on his deathbed, part of me knew it would be final time we’d ever speak. This was not a time for practical jokes or flippant behavior; this was a time to tell him that I loved him and to leave him with what could very well be my final words.

Beginning with the confession, there's plenty of evidence to support the confession being real and not some prank that Duane decided to play on his wife just following the serious matter of handing over his living will to his doctors.

1. Skyjack71 witnessed Duane having an intense nightmare (1977) where Duane said "I left fingerprints on the aft stairs, I'm going to die, (loud scream)" I think most of us would remember witnessing our spouse having such a nightmare. She remembers asking him what aft stairs were and he said stairs from jail or something to that effect.

2. In Fall of 1979, Duane took Skyjack71 to the NW for a sentimental journey. This journey is chalk full of circumstantial evidence that supports his confession some 15 years later. First, he "had to do something" one morning while just outside of Portland. He left very early and came back several hours later all dirty. Second, he drove Skyjack71 to an area near LaCamas lake and actually said the words "that's where Cooper came out of the woods" and when Skyjack71 asked him how he would know, he replied "maybe I was the one on the ground". Later on that trip, Duane appeared to be looking for a tower and mentioned that he had buried something behind a shed at a tower nearby. Third, they stopped near the river for an extended period of time and he made Skyjack71 stay in the car. He took something out of the trunk and went into a wooded area down near the water. No one knows why and no one knows for how long. Fourth, they stopped by a hotel adjacent to the I-5 and Columbia river just before leaving. Duane had a paper sack with him that he claimed had trash in it. Within 5 months of this sentimental journey, Brian Ingram found four bundles of money close to the water's edge just downriver from each of these two points.

While traveling in Seattle, Duane took an unnecessary detour, heading over to the Sea Tac airport. He drove around the airport and to the backside (west) of it. When questioned why they were doing this, Duane said it was a shortcut to a company function they attended. Skyjack71, pulling out the map, could see clearly that a detour into the SeaTac/Burien area is no shortcut to downtown Seattle.

Throughout the entire trip to the Northwest, Duane never used a map. In fact, he continually pointed out odd points of interest, such as an out of sight dollar corner store that Skyjack71 was able to confirm 21 years later.

3. In Feb 1980 when the money was found, Skyjack71 was reading the newspaper article to Duane. Referring to the money that had been unearthed, Duane simply said, “it’s worthless.”

4. Shortly thereafter, a television special came out on DB Cooper and the money that had recently been found. Skyjack71 remarked to Duane that she was eager to watch the special, but as it turned out, something “came up” that night that prevented her from seeing it. Duane made arrangements for them to go out with another couple which was something they had never done on a week day. During the dinner conversation, Skyjack71 spoke to the other woman and commented on the fact that they never went out this way on weeknights. This is how she recollects the incident so well. It turned out that throughout their 17 year marriage, this would be the first and only time Duane made such dinner arrangements without consulting Skyjack71 first. Further, they never socialized with other couples unless it was through his work or was business related.

5. Shortly after the television special aired, Duane told Skyjack71 that his company was reducing his territory and assigning it to someone else. He promptly moved to Alabama, leaving his family behind for a few months. After Duane died, Skyjack71 discovered an old resume and a letter of resignation written to his boss in early 1980. The explanation he had stated to his boss in this letter of resignation was that he was resigning because Skyjack71 and her daughter wanted to “move back to the South.” This, of course, was patently false because Skyjack71 and her daughter (who was still in school at the time), loved living in the Colorado suburb of Fort Collins. Duane completely resigned from his company, moved to Alabama, and began working for a familiar company he had worked for previously. The new job was for a fledgling company trying to stay in business, and Duane was well aware that the company may not remain in business long.

6.In short, Duane had told Skyjack71 that his employer in Colorado was taking away his territory which turned out to be a lie. Duane had actually resigned even though he was making substantial money at the time.

(mistake)6. In the 1960s, Duane worked for the insurance company that funded the Cooper ransom. The dollar amount on the insurance policy just so happened to be $200,000.

7. Skyjack71 can only recall Duane reading one book during their 17 year marriage. Duane bought a copy of Norjack and he sat in his favorite chair and read it cover to cover. Skyjack71 asked him what it was about and he said it was about a hijacking. Skyjack71 told him it sounded interesting and to let her read it when he was finished. He agreed, but then days later when Skyjack71 asked him about the book, he claimed someone from work borrowed it from him. The book was never seen again.

What’s more is that in the following weeks after reading the book, Duane grew out his hair and took on a full mustache.

8. In 1990, Skyjack71 actually did see a book amongst Duane's possessions. It was during a brief separation due to his emotional stress of becoming dependent on kidney machines. This may have been a similar stress he would have felt in 1971 when he first was told he had kidney disease, a condition he’d seen his mother suffer through until her death.

We did finally sort this out and do not believe the handwriting was Webers.Skyjack71 happened to notice a book in Duane’s trailer that he lived in during this time. 6 years later, she saw the book once again.... she had checked it out from the library. In some of the margins, she noticed Duane's handwritten notes. The book turned out to be about DB Cooper. Skyjack71 immediately called the FBI the night she read the first few pages of this book and learned for the first time about some of the details of the crime.

9. Discovery channel's Unsolved History did a story on the Cooper case. As part of their story, they took the 1972 composite sketch of Cooper and fed it into the FRS of a Vegas Casino. They added several pictures to the database, including a handful of the top suspects, such as McCoy and Duane, and then ran a search amongst the entire database against the composite sketch. Of everyone in the database and all the top suspects, Duane's photo came up as the top biometric match.

10. When Skyjack71 pursued Duane's ex-wife (whom he was married to at the time of the heist) regarding Cooper, his ex-wife was reticent. She told Skyjack71 to "leave the past behind". At no time did she ever deny the allegation that Duane was Cooper and she remained reticent about the topic. She was deliberate and adamant that they were separated from October 1971 until February 1972 and she did not have any contact with Duane during that time. His sister also wanted to leave the past in the past and the ex-wife seemed afraid to talk about the past.

11. Years later, this ex-wife was preparing to move into assisted living. With no prompting, she sent Skyjack71 some old original photos (not reprints) of Duane. Amongst the photos was one of the ex-wife and not Duane. It wasn’t as though the widow and the ex-wife had been close, and therefore this picture seemed a little out of place. As she examined this particular photo, it happened to have an unusual object in the foreground... some wrap around sunglasses. Why the ex-wife sent these pictures and also included this photo will always be a mystery as the ex-wife has since died.

12. This ex-wife had a daughter who once told Skyjack71, “I know that Duane was Cooper,” and made some type of elaboration that Skyjack71 has never mentioned. She says the FBI knows what was said because she had called them to interview this daughter who has since passed away.

13. At some point in 1990, Skyjack71 happened to come across a ticket stub of some kind with the SeaTac or Sea-Tac printed on it. It was sitting on his desk in his shop and she saw it there and thought it peculiar.

14. In 1994, Duane had broken his leg. The shop had been closed for years, and there were some boxes with tax information in it. Skyjack71 decided to clean and organize a box from 1990 that had been packed when they closed the shop and she did this despite Duane’s protest. She dumped out the box and began to sort the box from the 1990 tax year. She began throwing some items away and then filing others. One of the items she picked up was an old airline ticket from the year 1971. According to her memory, the ticket was a Portland to Seattle ticket. She remembered this because this was the year she had flown for the first time. Seeing the old ticket, she went to ask Duane about it, and he said that it used to mean something, “but now it doesn’t” and instructed her to throw it away. She then placed it in the garbage bag with all the other non-relevant papers and items she threw away from that box.

Later on that day, he asked her what she did with the old ticket. She replied that she threw it away as per his instructions and that it was in a garbage bag in the garage. She then grabbed another old box out of his closet and he again told her not to sift through his things and that he would do it later. She left the second box alone.

That night, she went out to the garage and sifted through the garbage bag and did not see the ticket.

A few weeks later, Skyjack71 folded up Duane’s clothing and went to put away his socks and undergarments like she always did. This time, Duane told her not to and that he’d put them away himself. Ignoring his comments, she went to his drawer as she frequently did to put away his garments. Upon opening one of the drawers, she saw the old airline ticket lying in the drawer. At this point, she knew Duane well enough not to ask him about the ticket.

15. In the late fall of 1994, the same year as the above incidents, the Webers held a garage sale. Duane had gotten to the point where she had to drive him to and pick him up from dialysis. Amongst the items that would be sold were some false books; the kind that you could hide items in. When Skyjack71 went to pick up Duane from dialysis, there was a young woman who was helping her with the garage sale. The helper asked both of them what to do with one of these false books. Duane instructed her to put it aside and that he’d take care of it. Later that evening, Duane instructed Skyjack71 to retrieve the book for him and she was unable to find it. Many of the items for sale that day were old items from the shop that they had closed. Skyjack71 then called the helper and the helper told Skyjack71 there were old papers and such in the false book and claimed “it should be there.”

A weakened Duane was so upset about the lost book that Skyjack71 felt it was important to search through the garage until late at night to find it. Duane finally told her that he would search for himself later on when he could muster the strength.

Two years later, Skyjack71 contacted this helper, who may have suffered from addiction, and the helper claimed no recollection of the events or the false book. Skyjack71 happened to find this odd because this helper purposely came in and asked what to do with it and they contacted her later to ask her about it.

Incidentally, the old ticket was never seen after 1994. It may or may not have been in the false book.

16. There was a second garage sale after Duane's death. One item was something Duane had kept in his desk. Skyjack71 had no idea what it was, but someone who visited the garage sale purchased it because he collected these sorts of things and told her that it was part of a parachute.

17. On Duane's deathbed, he instructed Skyjack71 to check his van and told her specifically what to check, but Skyjack71’s focus was to comfort him and really wasn’t listening to him. This was during his confession and she thought he was talking non-sense. Skyjack71 just told him she’d take care of it and not to worry. Skyjack71 wound up selling the van. Later, the new owner contacted Skyjack71 and gave her a wallet that only contained some peculiar identification. It was a military ID and some other ID of Duane's under various names. The returned wallet appeared to have held many more items at one time in its life. The purchasers of the van told Skyjack71 about the wallet on the phone there was a license and papers in it and when she arrived they told her they never opened it and could not comment on the contents. Skyjack71 maintains a belief that there may have been more items in the van, but cannot nor will not say for sure. It was by the new owner subsequently torn apart from top to bottom for “rebuilding purposes.”

We did read earlier on this thread that the new owners began to fly every other weekend to south Florida right after purchasing the van. Whether or not this happened to be related to them purchasing the van, we’ll never know and at best could only speculate. They may have inherited money or won the state lottery or just enjoyed prosperous sales in their flea market endeavors… we do not know.

18. In 1990, around the same time that Skyjack71 saw the ticket stub with SeaTac printed on it, Skyjack71 and Duane were in his van. He left her in the van to go grab something out of the shop. On the console, Skyjack71 happened to notice a grayish money bag. From her recollection, it had printing on one side of it, but she did not pull the bag out of the console all the way because Duane was coming back to the van. This was a very trying time of their marriage (he was staying in the trailer) and she didn’t want to get him upset.

Duane had been arrest when he attempted to obtain a fraudulent driver's license. Among his possessions was a new, or barely used, hand gun.

In his paranoia, Duane blamed Skyjack71 for the arrest thinking she ratted him out. She actually saved him from more serious charges because her and his doctor pleaded with authorities and told them Duane only attempted this because of his illness. The real reason Duane attempted to obtain a fraudulent driver’s license is unknown.

19. In 1971/early 72, a Reno newspaper received a letter or note of some kind from someone claiming to be Cooper. There were several of these received by various news outlets at the time, but this one in Reno had been postmarked in a suburb of one of Duane's family member's.

20. According to his ex-wife, Duane was unaccounted for in the fall of 1971 through February of 1972. In February of 1972, Duane got back together with his wife. Further, his employer at the time was unaware of his whereabouts. In February of 1972, Duane returned to work and claimed he was injured when he fell out of a tree in his yard. He told them he had been trimming the tree. Skyjack71 later got the ex-wife to confess that there was no tree in their yard at the time.

21. Duane and his wife made very little money in 1972. Their tax return, however, shows that they claimed a significant portion of their income from selling things they already owned. From what I've heard, this wasn't filed on any capital gain or investment schedule. Do most people who hold a garage sale claim 25% of their income from items they sold around the house? Why was Duane and his wife so eager to claim income that could never be traced?

22. In June of 1972, according to the ex-wife’s daughter, Duane and the ex-wife had recently purchased two brand new cars. The daughter vividly remembered this because she helped her mother move to Kansas and she had the privilege of driving the new car.

23. Shortly before Duane passed away, in March of 1995, Skyjack71 was helping him get dressed since he was injured with a broken arm and several broken fingers. She was attempting to help him put on long johns when she asked him if he was ever going to disclose how he had hurt his leg. He didn’t have trouble with the leg, but due to scarring and/or deformity, it was apparent to Skyjack71 that he had once injured it fairly severely. She had asked him about it before but he never disclosed the cause of his injury.

Duane’s response was that he had injured his leg jumping out of a plane once. Skyjack71 immediately laughed at his answer because she found it funny. Duane later reiterated this story during his confession.

24. At various points throughout their marriage, but only beginning in the very late 1980s, Duane would tell Skyjack71 that a famous invention was named after him. Time and time again, she'd say Weber grill. She even once made a sarcastic reply saying "Weber Bread". Every time she made one of her guesses, Duane just gave her a childlike grin and would say "you'll never know".

We don't know of any invention named specifically after Duane Weber. We do know, however, that an invention was named after Dan Cooper, and it was called The Cooper Vane.

25. In 1987, Duane and Skyjack71 were on a commercial airliner in Miami. They were either boarding or exiting, and Duane pointed at a door with a wheel on it as they walked by. He mentioned to Skyjack71 that if a person were to turn that wheel that stairs would lower from the belly of the plane.

26. Skyjack71 just made a post about Duane serving time in McNeil prison. This prison is located in Tacoma. According to Ckret, Cooper stated that McCord "is only 20 minutes from Tacoma. It shouldn't take that long."

I have included some photos of Duane along side some composite sketches of Cooper.

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I don't share Jo's dark view of Blevins. ....

No need to take shots at each other.

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And yet they will. Most of this forum these days consists of people taking swipes at each other's "credibility" (as if anyone has any left) leading to continual back-and-forth arguments, accusations and finger-pointing.... and not very much actual Cooper stuff. Those who don't have a pet Cooper either sit back quietly, or attempt to keep the peace (that would be 377). It's rather wearisome.

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I don't have a"dark" view of him just pointing out he is NOT helping himself with his actions or recent. I am not taking shots at him only mirroring exactly what others state in and off of this thread.

How stupid do you think the rest of us are, Jo? See right through that one. Sorry.

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377 said: Jo keeps all these secrets, often teases and posts theories just as speculative as anything Blevins has posted or published.

Jo answered: In my defense - I AM NOT writing a book, nor have I put a book out on the shelves...I am posting to a forum...

How is that a defense? You've been posting teasers to the forum for years now. How many of these have actually led to anything substantive? (From what I can see the answer is: zero.) Aren't you lucky Blevins came along so that after years of not really having an answer to these types of questions you now have the "excuse" of not writing a book? well.. about as substantive an excuse as any of the Duane arguments are.

Edit: now I'm doing it too. Someone give me an idea I can go research please

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I made some minor changes, and I would like to clean it up just a little bit more - and then it is all done and said. This was posted in the OLD thread that was closed, but I opened it up again and you guys will know why in the near futher. I just want to clean this summary up and perhaps add some details and address anything that may have been forgotten by Safecrack or myself...

It is obvious the story has been relative consistent....and I am very tired....

I would like to insert Duane's financial and work records into this prior to our marriage. Also anything you guys can think of that might be important. No, I am not writing a book - more like a farewell or obituary.

If you are going to make a negative response - just say NOTHING, please. I am having a really hard time right now emotionally with this. I spent the day making copies of all of the pictures - some I have used and some I haven't.

March 27th is our anniversary - I married him 33 yrs ago. March 28 he will have been deceased for 16 yrs and it is time to say good-bye. In 2003 on March 27th the FBI picked up his DNA and on Mar 28th 2008 they returned the DNA.

I don't think this March 2011 will be a good time for me - and if the truth is ever know it will come too late for me....to do what has to be done. I tried to tell his story and I have failed, but I gave it all I had.

Duane Weber was successful in what he did with his life during his last 17 yrs on this earth. He may not have been perfect, but considering the background I have learned he had - he was very successful. In fact, regardless of what anyone wants to believe...after spending most of his adult life in several prisons, he is at the very least an inspiration to other troubled young men and excons around the world that they CAN change who and WHAT they are.

Granted, in order for others to do this - some changes have to made in the laws to allow men and women who have made mistakes to erase those mistakes and to expunge their records so they can have the kind of life Duane had. They have to be trained and allowed to have jobs not normally accessible to ex-cons (such as insurances salesmen, real estate salemen, mtg brokers, bankers, accountants, teachers and even lawyers). The only way this will happen is to change the law so the ex-cons actually have a new and respectible life - not to be condemned to dig ditches and do manual labor.

It had been my hope to create a foundation to accomplish this or at least get it started and I understand there are similar programs on a small scale scattered around - I am just not familiar with them. The purging of their past lives - has eluded most ex-cons. Perhaps Webers’ success in leaving his old life behind will encourage others to change their lives. It is the only good I can see to come out of all of this.

Cooper's Law would have entitled certain qualifying excons to receive an education and work at jobs not available to them in today's society. Hopefully something called the Cooper Vane would have purged their old criminal files making sure they never had to "bail-out" again.

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I said I didn't want any debates;
The answers to all of your questions are in the 2 threads.

I will say this - Why would he not have called himself Dan Cooooper? Because that is the name he used when he bought the ticket.


I just came back to add this after I actually read you post rather than just the end and felt id deserved an answer.

Blevin you said:

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I think it's come to a point that you have to either put up the evidence, whatever it is you have, or forget about it. Duane either was, or he wasn't. It's either the truth or it isn't. I'm sure you want to know one way or another.

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I've put up a lot more evidence on the possibility that KC MIGHT be the guy, while you really have little to offer regarding Duane.

You think so huh! Don't bet on it. Duane was the only one who ever confess and said "I'm Dan Cooper" and the only lies he ever told me were by omission. Sure, ALL I have is my word, but I will meet the Creator knowing I did the best I could. Plus, I lived with this man for 17 yrs. You never met Christiansen and the only story you have is weaker than the story about Duane Weber - I just did NOT know How to do it.

14 yrs ago - lots of individuals where still alive....but, the FBI kept my story under wraps for 5 yrs before I realized they were NOT doing anything and I didn't have the mean to hire someone to go interview the ex-wife, the step-daughter, Duane's old friend in Pensacola, his old employers who were still alive,
his 2 step-sons, his sister, his brother, finding the woman he met in FL - whose name was still in the address book when the FBI came to my house, the weird number he was supposed to call if he needed help, the credit card record about the airline ticket would still have been available in 1996 (the FBI didn't look at it),
the saftey deposit box ( I wasn't and still can't find that with out the help of the FBI - because I can't prove my husband was John Collins.

I didn't have the money to hire someone to do these things, and those who claimed they wanted to help were only interested in a story - and not the truth - just like you.

Don't you get it - I do. I have lived it. You are NOT emotionally invested in your subject. You don't know your subject and some of the things you have done are the VERY reasons I put a stop to his contract., plus he had NO means with which to do the investiations from one part of the US to the Other.

Have to go lie down, very tired.

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How is that a defense? You've been posting teasers to the forum for years now. How many of these have actually led to anything substantive? (From what I can see the answer is: zero.) Aren't you lucky Blevins came along so that after years of not really having an answer to these types of questions you now have the "excuse" of not writing a book? well.. about as substantive an excuse as any of the Duane arguments are.

I will repeat - Blevins is NOT a reason for my doing anything because if he does as I told him - the FBI will tell him that Kenny Christiansen WAS NOT Cooper...I know this for a fact.

I was not by any mean looking for something to debate, nor am I offering any excuses... I am simply explaining that I am TOO tired to continue and that I am unable to continue.

NO one was an excuse for not writing a book - Do you really think I had the ability to WRITE a book?. ALL I have ever wanted was the truth - now out of necessity that will have to be in the hands of others - but, I won't be around to read it....nor to get the facts correct and to get the things about Duane correct. That is why I have hung in here for so long - so someone can get it right.

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Between being cool and hunky, I manage to find some time to be analytical. This is not one of those times, however I felt this posting may be of deep value.

I notice there is a pattern (oft repeated phrases for one) of information which has been deemed ‘about Cooper’ or not, by some ‘Star Chamber’ certification body. So I got into my Time Machine (read drank a six pack) and went on a journey back to 1971.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN2VNFpiGWo

(Warning: White people are dancing)

Flying as a form of travel had not evolved into the combination of Attica prison riot and trailer park experiences that it has today. People tended to dress a little better and behave like they still had an opposable thumb.

What was the process that delivered Cooper to the last row of seats in the aircraft? Where is his boarding pass, was one issued? It seems like there should have been another person for Cooper to interact with aside from the agent selling the ticket. Was there a smoking section in 1971? The FAA didn’t mandate such a section till 1973 but that would not prevent an airline from creating one. Northwest Orient was the first airline to ban smoking on their aircraft. Were they just as proactive in creating a smoking section?

Cooper’s bag is described as 4x12x14 inches in size. What sort of bag is that?

Cooper is also described as wearing brown shoes. Brown shoes with a black suit??? (Ref: 0:28 -0:34 in video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_6yWi6YBYY

(Warning: White people are smoking and drinking)

Much of the lexicon is polluted with phrases which have been long forgotten and molested with the generous input of those un-sourced claims on the internet. The phrase “That is an ‘E’ ticket ride” is from the mid 15th century where such tickets were given out closest to the gallows (source: somewhere on the internets).

I actually did a search on the ‘Deadliest ride in Disneyland’ and found several sources with databases listing dates and the name of the ride. I thought they were mistaken (see –Tickets).

Now let’s get back to proving that Cooper was Shirley MacLaine, who would have worn brown shoes to throw the police off her trail.

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Here is a series of photographs with a 727 (guess who) in various stages of use and disuse.

‘Portland 1968’ features the Cooper plane in gleaming splendor three years before the hijacking and three years after manufacture. Anachronistically a C-131 taxis in the background with a 707’s aft hatch open as a display of the only rear exit on that plane.

‘Piedmont N383N’ is the same aircraft with a new registration, owner and paint job. The aft stairs are deployed as if to mock the fuel truck which is vapor locked.

‘Key Air N29KA’ has the earmarks of a Faded Rose. The Matterhorn White paint has that chalky patina that says deferred maintenance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nYJcxhDtT0

‘End of the Line’ with various parts removed and given the final dignity of a blind fold before being thrown into the smelter to be reborn as a screen door, lawn chair or some other ignoble item.

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What was the process that delivered Cooper to the last row of seats in the aircraft? Where is his boarding pass, was one issued? It seems like there should have been another person for Cooper to interact with aside from the agent selling the ticket. Was there a smoking section in 1971? The FAA didn’t mandate such a section till 1973 but that would not prevent an airline from creating one.

In the 1970's I did fly and I was a smoker. I honestly do not remember if we were required to seat in the Aft compartments, but I always sat there because it was "cheaper".

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Cooper’s bag is described as 4x12x14 inches in size. What sort of bag is that?

Are you sure that is NOT the description I made of a bag I told Himmelsbach about which was in the possession of Duane Weber. I do NOT recall the size of the bag Cooper carried on being discussed other than ON the forums. I know that over the yrs it went from being called a sachel to a brief case...I had asked Himmelsbach about this and I don't remember the answer he gave me - but, it is all in my notes from 1996.

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Cooper is also described as wearing brown shoes. Brown shoes with a black suit??? (Ref: 0:28 -0:34 in video)

Dark Brown shoes - very dark rich brown...my description of a pair of ankle shoes/boots Duane had that had a zipper on them. A pair I finally got him to get rid of because he never wore them. Since they were some kind of expensive grained leather I assumed that was why he wanted to keep them.

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Now let’s get back to proving that Cooper was Shirley MacLaine, who would have worn brown shoes to throw the police off her trail.

Speaking of Shirley MacLaine - I only recently disposed of her book Out On A Limb. Kooky kind of woman with a kooky twist on life back in the days...she was the beginning of an era.

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Flying as a form of travel had not evolved into the combination of Attica prison riot and trailer park experiences that it has today. People tended to dress a little better and behave like they still had an opposable thumb.

Oh you are classic. YOU should be writing a book.

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