DB Cooper

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I said, "More than likely they're simply people that don't recognize subtext or satire. My studies show that a full 30% of the population is afflicted by this.."

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Quade, You're on! "Gullible" is actually a word in the dictionary, at least the English dictionary.

I rest my case.

Quade, Read your previous post! You actually said that "gullible" was not a word in the dictionary! Your case needs to be "unrested".

Robert Nicholson

OK, I got this first time
Quade, are you sure about that 30% number? Judging by this thread I think the 30% refers to the people who do recognise satire, not those who don't!!!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Hell the world already thinks I am this delusional old woman claiming her husband was D.B. Cooper - and sitting at her keyboard actually thinking the FBI has time or motivation to dig up this old case and actually solve it.

Well, Jo, it has been made as plain as day to you many times that they don't. I am at a loss as to why you were thinking that in the first place. You know, sometimes you just have to accept things that are staring you in the face.

I saw a week or so ago they (feds) arrested over 100 Mafioso in NY. I'm sure most American taxpayers think that is a far better use of their funds than DB Cooper. As someone who pays taxes there, what do you think? Better to hunt down 100 live criminals involved in murder, drugs, sex trafficking, racketeering etc now, or try solve a 40-year old crime where no-one was hurt and where everyone who has a vested interest won't accept it even if you do solve it and it's not their pet theory?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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The problem child is NOT Cook, it is the common denominator, Porteous who is a consistent confirmed hoaxer, even though he seems to have a paved road to Rataczak. Can you figure THAT one out? Grey gets thrown under the bus when he tries that road. Must be a perspective issue? How about an answer on KC's will?? Fab one up for that. We are all ears. Anyone care to do some REAL work? The truth is there for the taking.....

I dont know anything about KC's will.

And wont spend 2 seconds looking into it.

Why? I dont care about that.

Georger, don't feed the trolls, please.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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The penalty for getting things wrong was slightly more punitive in the past. This of course has fostered a byzantine love affair with certifications, credentials, rubber stamps, sealing wax along with general butt covering and double speaks as a language.

Where did this all go so very wrong?

Way back when, some group of aimless affluent decided to check out the rest of the planet to see if there was anything worthwhile (code for hot women) going after. There was an aristocratic subculture of explorers (code for horndogs) who were willing to brave the wilds and return to Queen and country with as of yet, unknown treasure for all to enjoy (code for just the Queen). But how would they get there?

In a word, blown. Yes, these Argonauts would travel the vast expanses of water with nothing but basic physics, meteorology and mythology to guide them (just like today). They would be supplied with the finest of maps which were created by the best cartographers who had never been farther than four or five miles from whence they departed their mother’s womb. It all makes total sense.

Oddly these mapmakers were held responsible for any errors in their works. As in they were ‘drawn and quartered’ if a ship ran aground or was lost due to bad data. Sure, I like the idea of personal responsibility manifesting in a red hot poker up the jacksie as much as the next guy. So what is one to do?

You Bullshit of course, it is not like there is any way to validate what is being claimed. So go with what you know and fill in the blanks with steaming heaps of unverifiable lore. Besides everyone likes a little mystery and whimsy, so give the people what they want.

Make a map with a compass rose to lend an air of scientific legitimacy. Place the ‘Royal’ stamp on it to indicate someone with an awesomely, big ass title has funded this project. The prevailing winds are good along with the basic course of rivers and the direction of flow. Hey, this is going to be great. Now for all the unknowns and open areas.

Put a big hairy creature in the woods and make him stink. Ewwwwww, no self respecting conquistador would dare set foot in such a riparian zone. Next are all those uncharted waters to the west. Fawk, how can anyone devise a way around that?

The solution is as elegant as it is universal – MONSTERS. Depict the most repugnant, revolting and angst inducing creature you can imagine. Gaping jaws filled with horrendous rows of predatory teeth will do nothing but amplify the effect the leathery, scaly and mottled skin has already produced. In the likely event that some ship should run afoul, you can simply point to the abomination on the map and say ‘they were warned to stay away’.

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rofmao.
CYA....the more things change, the more they remain the same.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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"Georger, don't feed the trolls, please."
"40-year old crime where no-one was hurt..."

And Tina doesn't count? Column 2.

Next?

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Farlung wrote:

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The solution is as elegant as it is universal – MONSTERS. Depict the most repugnant, revolting and angst inducing creature you can imagine. Gaping jaws filled with horrendous rows of predatory teeth will do nothing but amplify the effect the leathery, scaly and mottled skin has already produced. In the likely event that some ship should run afoul, you can simply point to the abomination on the map and say ‘they were warned to stay away’.

What if Sirens (mythical songstresses of great beauty and attractive force) are depicted behind the Monsters? Do you go or do you stay?

Cooper left his Siren on the plane and chose instead to face the monsters of the Death Woods. It wasn't a tough choice. Another hour with Tina and 25 to life in prison or take your chances in the Maelstrom with the possibility of freedom and riches.

Is the Cooper story more like Shakespeare's work or Homer's? Your opinion Farflung? Nietzche is not an option nor is Ken Kesey or Snowmman's choice: Hunter Thompson.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Farflung 0]

This should complement the post about mapmakers and their skill sets. It is about the direction water flows and with the astonishing regularity it finds its own level. Really.

Water will find and follow the path of least resistance up to and including being forced through a pump and sprayed in the air as some sort of enchanting display along Las Vegas Blvd, under the guise of being classy. There is nothing more awe inspiring than watching dolphins leap over natural gas flames in a man-made grotto before strolling into a glass pyramid for a plate of Yellowfin. We truly must be the masters of our universe. So what up? Why do we insist upon getting on our intellectual knees and screwing the pooch over the simple stuff?

I’ll begin with this colossal myth that the fairer gender have created and conspired about in group meetings in their bathrooms where a toilet can actually ‘back up’. As if there is some force upon receipt of a lily fresh, flush of water which randomly revolts and actually pushes debris into the bowl which was NOT there before. So as a man, I accept the description of the gravity defying waters and go to the garage for the plunger, a beer and a tearless cry. I silently carry out the task at hand never giving quarter to the consideration that the ‘little lady’ actually thinks I believed her tale of runaway effluents. I blame myself for the continuation of this particular element of hydrological myth.

Every creek, river and wash has a direction known as downstream. The waters drip, trickle and collect into larger and larger amorphous forms and continue their journey until they are released back into the ocean to spawn and lay eggs during storms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCOoATNBb7s

A simple rule when reading maps is to follow the little blue lines to the bigger ones until they reach a body of water or in some rare cases a caustic dry wash. The attached map (Ref: Whats the Point) illustrates such a condition with Paradise Point State Park, complete with Airstream trailer serving as centroid. The little blue line on the lower, right of the chart has green chevrons, one way signs, soldiers and dogs pointing in the direction of natural flow. This river meets another past I-5 which has a European one way sign and Native American helping in showing the direction of travel. This river joins the Big Kahuna, El Numero Uno, the Head Honcho, Mr Big, aka The Columbia which enjoys the addition of Epic Sunglasses Guy and Ronald McDonald pointing the way somewhere beyond the sea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZoCrD88RP4&feature=related

Some forces of nature simply can’t be altered no matter how much we may wish for them. I thought fixing the toilet came with an “It’s OK You Left the Seat Up” pass…. Wrong again.

Cooper’s actions are more emblematic of Homer to be sure.

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Perhaps a co-authored novel of Joseph Heller and Henry Miller? Starring Helen Thomas and Terry Thomas with Over and Under in the cockpit? Peter Sellers as all of the FBI Inspectors. And the milk can plays itself.

Theme song: Bing Crosby, "Bob-Bob-Bobbin' Along." As sung by the can.

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Blevins wrote:

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Farflung, you should write a comedy book. No, I'm not poking fun at your posts. I actually MEAN this.

Agree!

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[BobKnoss 0]

Agree!

Good as Far Side. (Gary Larson)

[Guru312 0]

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Blevins wrote:

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Farflung, you should write a comedy book. No, I'm not poking fun at your posts. I actually MEAN this.

Agree!

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Holy crap! I agree with Blevins AGAIN. And 377. And...

Your stuff could be flung far, Farflung. I have no clue what you do for a living but your stuff on here is a pleasure to read.

Nice work...keep it up until Quade does his "off topic thing"...

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

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Farflung, you should write a comedy book. No, I'm not poking fun at your posts. I actually MEAN this. And when you finish the ms submit it to AB. We will take a look, no kidding.

I think he should also!!!!!! He makes me smile. Cooper (keeping it on topic) is convivial.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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Georger, don't feed the trolls, please.

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Have you considered that Tina is perfectly fine, but just doesn't want to be pestered about something she really doesn't have a lot to say about?

Believe it or not, some people don't want to be in the spotlight and just want to go about their lives.

I'm pretty sure you'd get pissed if complete strangers kept pestering you about something that happened 40 years ago.

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Yes, Quade, I have considered that Tina is perfectly fine and just doesn't want to deal with pesky guys like me. However, after considering all the information available about Tina, I don't think she is perfectly fine. In one YouTube video of a film clip made shortly after the skyjacking, Tina displays a remarkable ease in front of the camera and a deep, genuine concern of how her passengers fared during the skyjacking. Where has that ease and concern gone? No one is able to tell me, and hence I continue to search.

Also, I think Tina has a lot to say about the skyjacking. At the very least, she is the definitive authority on how DB Cooper looked and acted. Reviewing photos of suspects is not asking too much of someone who cherishes her privacy, in my opinion. Perhaps she could make herself available to the pesky mimions once a year? Maybe NWO would share their publicicst and field questions?

Unless of course, the experience of doing any of that is too unnerving, and if that is the case, then we are back at square one: Is Tina really okay, and can my investigation of what really happened to her be of any help to her in assuaging the residual fears or emotional discord?

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Actually, Orange, having just returned to WA from my three months in NY, I can tell you that there is great consternation there regarding the arrests of 94 mafiosi. The central theme seems to be: who will make sure the roads get plowed if all the Dons are in the joint?

For most New Yorkers it's a question of priorities - roads-plowed-and-life-goes-on or some effort at morality via the judicial system. As we all know, waiting to be called as a juror in the latter instance is maddening, and that's where DB Cooper comes in. Guys in the trenches need something to talk about that's not trial-related. As a result, I have a huge potential audience, as does Geoff Gray, who is already tapping into it with his many writings for New York Magazine.

Wish me well; remember, I need a job....

Also. I called Mom today to see how she made out in the latest snow storm. She was taking a bath and seemed unconcerned with the latest record-setting blast from Mother Nature.

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Have you considered that Tina is perfectly fine, but just doesn't want to be pestered about something she really doesn't have a lot to say about?

Believe it or not, some people don't want to be in the spotlight and just want to go about their lives.

I'm pretty sure you'd get pissed if complete strangers kept pestering you about something that happened 40 years ago.

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Yes, Quade, I have considered that Tina is perfectly fine and just doesn't want to deal with pesky guys like me. However, after considering all the information available about Tina, I don't think she is perfectly fine. In one YouTube video of a film clip made shortly after the skyjacking, Tina displays a remarkable ease in front of the camera and a deep, genuine concern of how her passengers fared during the skyjacking. Where has that ease and concern gone? No one is able to tell me, and hence I continue to search.

Also, I think Tina has a lot to say about the skyjacking. At the very least, she is the definitive authority on how DB Cooper looked and acted. Reviewing photos of suspects is not asking too much of someone who cherishes her privacy, in my opinion. Perhaps she could make herself available to the pesky mimions once a year? Maybe NWO would share their publicicst and field questions?

Unless of course, the experience of doing any of that is too unnerving, and if that is the case, then we are back at square one: Is Tina really okay, and can my investigation of what really happened to her be of any help to her in assuaging the residual fears or emotional discord?

and who shall cleans who and inform who of
MKULTRA in thy tabernacle?

for it is written:

40 And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean, and inform me of thy secrets. 41 And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean. 42 And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed. 43 And he straitly charged him, and forthwith sent him away; 44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
45 But he went out, and began to publish it much, and to blaze abroad the matter, insomuch that Jesus could no more openly enter into the city, but was without in desert places: and they came to him from every quarter but found him not because of these minions in search of themselves...

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Blevins wrote:

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Hey, speaking of stews...my first well, uh...experience was with a stew. It's a cute story, and NWA has a bit part in it: 'Your First Time is Always Memorable - and Here's Mine'. (insert evil laugh here)

http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/...memorable-heres-mine

Remember the days of Coffee, Tea or Me? Robert sure does.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Look, I kind of know what the deal is with Tina Mucklow. You can believe me or not, it's up to you. But before you decide if I'm right, consider this:

I may have been wrong on some things occasionally, but I don't make up stuff regarding the Cooper case. Not intentionally, anyway.

The True Tina Deal As Far As I Know It:
Even if you could see her now, she would tell you she remembers little from the night of the hijacking.

She's had 'issues' over the years. To a degree, you could call them psychological issues. She's NOT crazy. She is doing okay now. And you won't be able to get a single thing out of her. Remember, she's about 62 years old now and a bit different from the wide-eyed stew who dallied with Cooper. There have been changes to her personality and she's a little fragile. This is why her family protects her. And that's all you're getting out of me about it. I have all of this on very good information. You can take it or leave it as you like.

It's a true bummer, since she was the best witness.

Hey, speaking of stews...my first well, uh...experience was with a stew. It's a cute story, and NWA has a bit part in it: 'Your First Time is Always Memorable - and Here's Mine'. (insert evil laugh here)

http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/_news/2011/01/26/5923241-your-first-time-is-always-memorable-heres-mine

Blevins you have said a lot of dumb things in
this forum: This below is the best so far.

"wide-eyed stew who dallied with Cooper."

Dallied with Cooper? Wide-eyed stew?

Your knowledge of Tina Muckow surpasses
Bruces', surpasses the FBIs', surpasses the
Smithsonians', surpasses Jennifer Anniston's.

As you "dally" here with us stuck between space
and time and the Men's Room.

The telling point which totally escapes you in
life, is Tina Mucklow does not post here, never
has and never will, but you do!

What does that tell you?

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It tells me that Blevins has finally put an honest paragraph together. He has spoken to people who have truth on their tongues, human beings, as it were. He is telling 'the other half of the story' as Paul Harvey used to say.

Listen to the man, Georger, or move to column 3. He is practicing what the Bible really means. Amen.

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'The telling point which totally escapes you in
life, is Tina Mucklow does not post here, never
has and never will, but you do!

What does that tell you?'

I don't know. Skipp Porteous investigated her thoroughly and spoke to some family members. I have spoken to one of Tina's nieces. The whole thing is messed up, and that's too bad. Really. She's the best witness, IMHO. I get bummed thinking about it. That stuff I said previously was true. She should go public with something, if she can, but the truth is I don't know IF SHE CAN.

What precisely, in your opinion, could Tina give
now she didnt already give long ago (several
times over in successive interviws with the FBI)?

What do you know & see that is unique?

What does Tina know now she didnt know before?

What could Tina do today she didnt already do
or could not do before?

Does she have Cooper's dna?

Does she have the Palmer Report?

Does she have the flight path and drop time?

Does she have forensics on the money?

Is Tina dying to have coffee tea and me, with
you!?

Does Tina need your psycholpogical insight/
therapy?

Does Tina need a book from AB?

Does AB need a photo and signature from Tina?

Does anything you and Porteous have about
Tina make any significant contribution to the
Cooper case?

What else is at stake that makes you post about
Tina incessantly that I fail to see?

Will Bruce solve his personal problms through
Tina?

Will Tina make some one some money?

What is it?

[BobKnoss 0]

What is it?

[BobKnoss 0]

Why was the term "PROJECT" used by the FBI? Why was the first edition of Ralph's book called "PROJECT Norjak"? Now the cover just reads, "NORJAK". Perhaps it has to do with the meaning of the word???


From Webster's 'Improved' Dictionary:

Project noun (Pro'-jekt) (pra'-jekt)

1. any piece of work that is undertaken or attempted; he prepared
for great undertakings;
2. a planned undertaking
3. a Government term for a secret planned exercise

Norjak noun (Nor'-jak)

1. a Government abbreviation for Northwest air piracy of Flight 305
issued in April, 1968, by the FBI in conjunction with the FAA.

(See Project Norjak, hijacking, air piracy, kidnapping, Nov. 24,
1971, Duane Weber, et. al.)

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NOTE: At the expense of sounding like some others who post here, I am going to begin with “I have it on good authority (and no, I can’t tell you who).” I hope my critics can understand why it has to be this way.

I have it on good authority (and no, I can’t tell you who) that NWA followed employees and former employees well after the hijack and/or their termination (up to eight years), if they had any contact with the media. I have held the proof in my hands. In my opinion, they were obsessed with controlling all information about the hijacking. Internal memos flew back and forth anytime there was a radio-show or print article that involved an employee (including former employees).

It is not a stretch (for me) to see NWA management putting pressure (BIG pressure) on the witnesses that were or had been in their employ. This would explain certain changes in witness accounts from Rataczak and others. It also explains behaviors from Tina, Flo, Anderson, and Hancock better than just assuming they are exhibiting “media avoidance.”

I have long stated that I think a wealth of information resides at MWA/Delta archives. Why don’t one of you “investigators” try to get the new management (Delta) to allow you access?

Just my two cents worth.

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NORJAK Forum

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"I have long stated that I think a wealth of information resides at NWA/Delta archives."

First intelligent post in a long time. But there are far better sources, as you know. They can't speak for fear of incrimination by Judicial definition. FBI definition is a whole 'nuther can of worms. "We just don't see it that way!"

"As some fierce creature replete with too much rage, so I , for the fear of fault, am slowed to speak." "My most true mind thus maketh mine own mind untrue." Sonnets~ Shakespeare. And so they fabricate. Ferbearacate. Fakit. Aw, they just make stuff up. Buffalo 'em in backward technical stuff and bury 'em in BS. Flood 'em with pages of documents and tons of suspects. What a waste of valuable time. "Just pull the brown cord over there, Sweetie, the one with the red tag on it.... You can go now. Thank you."