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QuoteBob Knoss says in part:
Quote'Then why in the Hell won't you grill Lyle about the letter from Kenny? If Rataczak says it was so, then it was so. The man does not lie!!'
Simple. Because no such letter exists, nor did it EVER exist. I already asked Lyle about it. And Rataczak didn't even know Kenny was a suspect, or who he was until his interview with Porteous. Here's an excerpt from the Rataczak interview that appears in the book:
Porteous: We showed Florence the picture we have of Christiansen, and she said it resembled the hijacker more than any other photo she has seen.
Bill Rataczak: Is Christiansen the Northwest employee?
Porteous: Yes, Kenneth Christiansen. Did you know him? (Rataczak and Christiansen worked for Northwest Airlines at the same time, although they worked different routes.)
Bill Rataczak: No, I have no recollection of it.
And as you say, Bob. Rataczak never lies.
I said his son, not Bill. Look it up. I said he spoke of a letter that included a request to become a straw-man Cooper. Your quotation has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject and is true. You been drinkin'?? The letter first surfaced at the reading of the will. Has nothing to do with whether Rataczak ever knew Christiansen.
Jerry and Georger: This is where you can blow that %&*@$# book out of existence. Lyle to Porteous to Blevins. Sound familiar???
Ever play, "Pass it On?" Go back to the source.
Georger: McCoy was not Cooper. McCoy was about 29 then and Weber was the 45 year old Cooper. Give it up! No more fiction!! That may be the only thing she has gotten right. Let it go.
Geoger . I was on the phone with Vicki at the same time I was posting as a mater of fact I just hung up the phone. She can verify that you and I had no contact or discussed any of these posts. Jerry
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Here is your "clicky" for the forum you are describing.
http://sitcomsonline.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-177140.html
http://sitcomsonline.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-177140.html
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
So you continue to call me a liar and that is ridiculous.
If you understand the English langage the understand this:
I did NOT know who Dan Cooper was and would never have if I had not told a gentleman friend about the strange things Duane told me before he died. I told the man what Duane said "I'm Dan Cooper" and then the man asked me if I knew who D. B. Coopers was and yes, I did vaguely. A few weeks later I checked out the only book I could find on Cooper in my small area. This is when I found out who DAN Cooper was and until that moment I had NO idea who Dan Cooper was.
This was on the night of May 24 1996 and that is when I called the FBI. There was NO time for me to make anything up - I rattled off what he told me before he died and told them about the other things that had occured in our marriage.
This should ALL be in the FBI records. I would call them 2 other times that same night as I continued to read the book.
Yes, that book was fictional, but there were enough facts in the book that I understood what Duane had told me over a yr before when he was in the hospital.
Yes, you are right the only book I had read prior to contacting Himmelsbach was Max Gunther's book. I never said Duane marked pages. There was some handwriting in the margin on 2 pages I thought was his handwriting. The library had done away for the card signing and didn't have the old records so I was unable to find out if Duane had checked out the book.
Several individuals on this thread have studied the handwriting in the book versus Duane's handwriting and it is our opinion that it is probably NOT Duane's hand writing.
The rubber Ducky has NOTHING to do with Gunther's book - but Duane had buried our dog's rubber Ducky with the dog just a few months before Duane died. Since Duane had a bottle he took to the garage and spent some time along with the dog - I though maybe he buried something with Symba. Duane had told me the bottle contained his papers, but I found Symba's papers in his personal files.
I have made up NO stories and you know that - what is your problem - why don't you go out here and try to discredit others the way you do me.
You stated:
Excuse me - I have NEVER read the book on McCoy and I told the story about Duane's dream that 1st night on the phone with the FBI and later to Mr. H. The dream occured in 1978 in Littleton, Colorado. I took no story for anyone or any book.
I still to this date have NOT read the story on McCoy. Was that book published in 1978 or before 1978? You see there is little you really know about me.
I never said Duane had his fingerprints removed. I stated he kept an emory cloth in his pocket. Many thiefs used to do this to smooth off their prints in the early yrs...to avoid detection.
There was mention about his prints being changed in the Jefferson system because there were some other inmates who managed to do this during that same period of time.
I asked the FBI to give me a polygraph in the very beginning, but THEY did not. I think that is because there was little to be gained as it was obivous I believed the things I was saying.
(Go ask your expert) because you are only making yourself sound like an idiot.
I never looked for publicity and you know that - or I would have approached the media as soon as I discovered the things I did. It would be 2000 before I agreed to go public and that was ONLY because I had caught the FBI stating to me things I held in black and white government document at proved the FBI was deliberately lie to me or they had NOT investigated Duane's background. This is the McNeil file and the Army Records - which I still have.
What has damaged the Cooper Case is the FBI NOT connecting the dots in 1996-2000. At that time there were still people alive who may have come forward had the FBI had asked the public for help or if I had GONE public in 1996 instead of contacting the FBI - this could all have had a different outcome.
What the FBI needs to do is shut you up - you and you alone have cause a lot of damage to this case. I do not know if it is sheer ignorance or if you do this for attentions or to get people to write about you. There are news articles where you jump right onto the suspects - take the Taxi driver - you were all over that one...yet you have NEVER presented a suspect of your own.
I still question WHY you attack and attempt to discredit me. What is your problem? I am not writing a book nor a movie nor am I out there in the public making wild claimes. My story does not change and I am only seeking some truths before I have to leave this earth.
You do NOT know that I have made it public knowledge in the thread and to the FBI and to others - that I have ONLY one wish. What that wish is you WILL not be a part of.
If I was the publicity whore monger you seem to call me - why haven't I commissioned a book or movie? I have certainly had the opportunity. If I am the despicalbale Liar you have made me out to be - why did I keep my trip to WA a secret to all but a couple of people.
Oh and by the way don't waste you money on an investigator.
You seemed to think the arrest in 1957 in FL contained some information you could ride on. Sorry Charlie there is nothing there. In that news article the suspect himself bragged about 6 yrs in Columbia. WELL, GUESS what - that is NOT true. If you will read the DETAILED San Quentin file - it WASHES this Columbia Warrant. I have the records on this Columbia incident. He was arrested and charged and it seems sentenced, but then the record goes POOF! They show NO discharge or escape date and offer NO explanations...by the way the are the same yrs - Weber was known to be in WA, Or and ID.
If you figure out the yrs from 1945 to 1949 you might actually solve the Cooper case - but don't look for Weber - look for Dusty...a nickname. This was all set- up by his family.
Anyone reading your ramblings knows you are encapable of comprehension of the written word. How many time HAVE I stated to you - that Duane HAS NO living Relatives. How many time do I have to state I am NOT interested in the publicity you clamor on and on about. You are the one who LOOKS for publicity.
I have turned things down for yrs. because I had a husband who needed me by his side - from 2002 until 2007 (he had terminal cancer). It was only after he died, I stepped up my efforts - NOT for publicity, but to FIND the truth. I have not invaded your life nor that of the witnesses. Now that I am down to the final stretch - I do NOT need to have SOMEONE like you in my face...and to tear apart the truths that do exist. I do not need someone to tear my words apart for their own selfish reasons...which comes down to you WANTING publicity. YOU have to be the ONE to solve this case. YOU have to destroy anyone who stands in your way.
Why aren't you out there looking for the truth instead of being fixated on destroying anything I might have. There is ONLY one answer for that. YOU KNOW I AM TELLING THE TRUTH andI AM THE ONLY THINGS THAT STANDS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR PRESENTING EVIDENCE I would NOT BE AROUND TO REFUTE, because I will be dead.
When I die - you will then come forward with what you found in the area I sent you to. This is the only logic I can derive from your constantly telling me the places I described to you did NOT exist. You were really upset when YOU found out I had been back out there in OCT of 2010 and that I actually found these places.
What was the MOST IMPORTANT thing I learned on my Trip to WA in Oct of 2010? I learned you lied to me and the film group and to everyone else. You even lied on this thread about the places and you continue to do so. If you guys cannot figure out WHY....well, wait a few months and see what happens!
WHY did you LIE to me about Lake LaCames and the Mt and the Park and the Washougal? Why didn't you go to property records like I asked you about a specific farm on the South side of LaCames Lake? Why do you distort what I have told? There are witnesses from 2001 who know this - one has died and the others are my age, but then you knew this.
Your kind preys on others to make themselves feel more powerful. You and your kind are what is wrong with this world today. Do your thing Jerry, but I do NOT do show downs...because I do NOT like to demean people the way you have force me to do in this post. I have had to sit on my hands to keep from saying these things - but it is TIME.
It's your Show now! I hope someone puts a hole in you boat before you start navigating the rapids.
ONE last word - If I was into this for the publicity - why have I quietly did research with a great bunch of guys on this thead and hoping I would glean enough to help me understand the jump itself...and actually loving all of the history and expertise these guys had to offer? You came here and made it into a chat room fit for a 12 yr old and left no time to actually do the explorations of suspects and any new information that would help anyone to understand the jump and the survivability.
I hope you are proud of your accomplishment in destroying the most valuable tool the Cooper case has ever had. The only accomplishment you sought was to destroy me and to discredit any information I have provide about Duane Weber. You want to be sure that the STORY YOU TELL is the only one that survives....
Have a GOOD life - I am going to eenjoy what is left of mine - and wt will not be arguing with a childish 12 yr. Old.
If you understand the English langage the understand this:
I did NOT know who Dan Cooper was and would never have if I had not told a gentleman friend about the strange things Duane told me before he died. I told the man what Duane said "I'm Dan Cooper" and then the man asked me if I knew who D. B. Coopers was and yes, I did vaguely. A few weeks later I checked out the only book I could find on Cooper in my small area. This is when I found out who DAN Cooper was and until that moment I had NO idea who Dan Cooper was.
This was on the night of May 24 1996 and that is when I called the FBI. There was NO time for me to make anything up - I rattled off what he told me before he died and told them about the other things that had occured in our marriage.
This should ALL be in the FBI records. I would call them 2 other times that same night as I continued to read the book.
Yes, that book was fictional, but there were enough facts in the book that I understood what Duane had told me over a yr before when he was in the hospital.
Yes, you are right the only book I had read prior to contacting Himmelsbach was Max Gunther's book. I never said Duane marked pages. There was some handwriting in the margin on 2 pages I thought was his handwriting. The library had done away for the card signing and didn't have the old records so I was unable to find out if Duane had checked out the book.
Several individuals on this thread have studied the handwriting in the book versus Duane's handwriting and it is our opinion that it is probably NOT Duane's hand writing.
The rubber Ducky has NOTHING to do with Gunther's book - but Duane had buried our dog's rubber Ducky with the dog just a few months before Duane died. Since Duane had a bottle he took to the garage and spent some time along with the dog - I though maybe he buried something with Symba. Duane had told me the bottle contained his papers, but I found Symba's papers in his personal files.
I have made up NO stories and you know that - what is your problem - why don't you go out here and try to discredit others the way you do me.
You stated:
QuoteMy favorite one is Duane waking up in a cold sweat because he was worried about his finger prints on the stair well. You got that from the McCoy story.
Excuse me - I have NEVER read the book on McCoy and I told the story about Duane's dream that 1st night on the phone with the FBI and later to Mr. H. The dream occured in 1978 in Littleton, Colorado. I took no story for anyone or any book.
I still to this date have NOT read the story on McCoy. Was that book published in 1978 or before 1978? You see there is little you really know about me.
I never said Duane had his fingerprints removed. I stated he kept an emory cloth in his pocket. Many thiefs used to do this to smooth off their prints in the early yrs...to avoid detection.
There was mention about his prints being changed in the Jefferson system because there were some other inmates who managed to do this during that same period of time.
I asked the FBI to give me a polygraph in the very beginning, but THEY did not. I think that is because there was little to be gained as it was obivous I believed the things I was saying.
(Go ask your expert) because you are only making yourself sound like an idiot.
I never looked for publicity and you know that - or I would have approached the media as soon as I discovered the things I did. It would be 2000 before I agreed to go public and that was ONLY because I had caught the FBI stating to me things I held in black and white government document at proved the FBI was deliberately lie to me or they had NOT investigated Duane's background. This is the McNeil file and the Army Records - which I still have.
What has damaged the Cooper Case is the FBI NOT connecting the dots in 1996-2000. At that time there were still people alive who may have come forward had the FBI had asked the public for help or if I had GONE public in 1996 instead of contacting the FBI - this could all have had a different outcome.
What the FBI needs to do is shut you up - you and you alone have cause a lot of damage to this case. I do not know if it is sheer ignorance or if you do this for attentions or to get people to write about you. There are news articles where you jump right onto the suspects - take the Taxi driver - you were all over that one...yet you have NEVER presented a suspect of your own.
I still question WHY you attack and attempt to discredit me. What is your problem? I am not writing a book nor a movie nor am I out there in the public making wild claimes. My story does not change and I am only seeking some truths before I have to leave this earth.
You do NOT know that I have made it public knowledge in the thread and to the FBI and to others - that I have ONLY one wish. What that wish is you WILL not be a part of.
If I was the publicity whore monger you seem to call me - why haven't I commissioned a book or movie? I have certainly had the opportunity. If I am the despicalbale Liar you have made me out to be - why did I keep my trip to WA a secret to all but a couple of people.
Oh and by the way don't waste you money on an investigator.
You seemed to think the arrest in 1957 in FL contained some information you could ride on. Sorry Charlie there is nothing there. In that news article the suspect himself bragged about 6 yrs in Columbia. WELL, GUESS what - that is NOT true. If you will read the DETAILED San Quentin file - it WASHES this Columbia Warrant. I have the records on this Columbia incident. He was arrested and charged and it seems sentenced, but then the record goes POOF! They show NO discharge or escape date and offer NO explanations...by the way the are the same yrs - Weber was known to be in WA, Or and ID.
If you figure out the yrs from 1945 to 1949 you might actually solve the Cooper case - but don't look for Weber - look for Dusty...a nickname. This was all set- up by his family.
Anyone reading your ramblings knows you are encapable of comprehension of the written word. How many time HAVE I stated to you - that Duane HAS NO living Relatives. How many time do I have to state I am NOT interested in the publicity you clamor on and on about. You are the one who LOOKS for publicity.
I have turned things down for yrs. because I had a husband who needed me by his side - from 2002 until 2007 (he had terminal cancer). It was only after he died, I stepped up my efforts - NOT for publicity, but to FIND the truth. I have not invaded your life nor that of the witnesses. Now that I am down to the final stretch - I do NOT need to have SOMEONE like you in my face...and to tear apart the truths that do exist. I do not need someone to tear my words apart for their own selfish reasons...which comes down to you WANTING publicity. YOU have to be the ONE to solve this case. YOU have to destroy anyone who stands in your way.
Why aren't you out there looking for the truth instead of being fixated on destroying anything I might have. There is ONLY one answer for that. YOU KNOW I AM TELLING THE TRUTH andI AM THE ONLY THINGS THAT STANDS BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR PRESENTING EVIDENCE I would NOT BE AROUND TO REFUTE, because I will be dead.
When I die - you will then come forward with what you found in the area I sent you to. This is the only logic I can derive from your constantly telling me the places I described to you did NOT exist. You were really upset when YOU found out I had been back out there in OCT of 2010 and that I actually found these places.
What was the MOST IMPORTANT thing I learned on my Trip to WA in Oct of 2010? I learned you lied to me and the film group and to everyone else. You even lied on this thread about the places and you continue to do so. If you guys cannot figure out WHY....well, wait a few months and see what happens!
WHY did you LIE to me about Lake LaCames and the Mt and the Park and the Washougal? Why didn't you go to property records like I asked you about a specific farm on the South side of LaCames Lake? Why do you distort what I have told? There are witnesses from 2001 who know this - one has died and the others are my age, but then you knew this.
Your kind preys on others to make themselves feel more powerful. You and your kind are what is wrong with this world today. Do your thing Jerry, but I do NOT do show downs...because I do NOT like to demean people the way you have force me to do in this post. I have had to sit on my hands to keep from saying these things - but it is TIME.
It's your Show now! I hope someone puts a hole in you boat before you start navigating the rapids.
ONE last word - If I was into this for the publicity - why have I quietly did research with a great bunch of guys on this thead and hoping I would glean enough to help me understand the jump itself...and actually loving all of the history and expertise these guys had to offer? You came here and made it into a chat room fit for a 12 yr old and left no time to actually do the explorations of suspects and any new information that would help anyone to understand the jump and the survivability.
I hope you are proud of your accomplishment in destroying the most valuable tool the Cooper case has ever had. The only accomplishment you sought was to destroy me and to discredit any information I have provide about Duane Weber. You want to be sure that the STORY YOU TELL is the only one that survives....
Have a GOOD life - I am going to eenjoy what is left of mine - and wt will not be arguing with a childish 12 yr. Old.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Thanks Vicki.Some day I'll Learn how to do that.Now If I could just figure out how to change colors so my writing looks as pretty as Blevens and Jo's I feel better. Jo click on that thing Vicki posted and read all the stories you wrote. Jerry
QuoteHere is your "clicky" for the forum you are describing.
http://sitcomsonline.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-177140.html
Be SURE when you guys read that PDF that you understand when it say MsOooper that all the wording under that caption is NOT me. I have the actually posts as they exisited on the forum. You have to understand that when it say MsCooper that 2 individuals are usually quoted there under.
Similar to the way we quote the reply first and then make a statement.
Also the way we do when stating the reply and then make a state ment and then add another reply.
The PDF is not explicit in who is talking - so before you rip into anything - give me the page number and I will try to match it to the exact copy of the live posting....
Maybe this is were some of you are quoting me and you are accutally quoting the question or other poster.
Oh by the way ALL of you know who AL Taker is in that forum.
I will take it to bed with me and highlight things that have changed but in just a glance I didn't see much....BUT, I saw where you guys are getting "she said" and if you have the actual posting it is someone posing a question about a post and I am replying. I found the PDF confusing even to me until I pulled the old thread as it was being posted.
This is when YOU have to be careful in saying "jo said this" when it is not...it is the other poster posing his question.
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Jo. / MS Cooper (2006) or JO Weber (2009) or your real name.You should not have made this post untill after you went back and read your old forum.It is clear that you have fabricated this story of Duane for your own personal glory and financial gain. You documented every new story by getting information from others and molding it into your new stories.It was brought to my atention that Duane had big elf like ears.Now what stewardess could miss that when making a composite drawing.All Duanes later pictures shows him wearing glases.So either Duane had to glue his ears back and get on the plane blind or it isn't him.The plane ticket, what is up with that fabrication. Not even you are Duane would hijack a aircraft and keep a plane ticket. The only reason you would keep a plane ticket is if it had to do with buisness ,like insurance salesmen often have and keep it for taxes. Oh I'm soory you couldn't have found a ticket in his tax info could you if it even existed at all.The money bag Get serious. You never even seen one like the one that was given to cooper except in pictures.The only evidence you have is in your dreams of a big book and movie deal. The finger prints That was a good one a 5yr old could see the deception behind that. Did you use to play CLUE allot some of your stories would indicate that you had and was probably good at it too.The FBI already has your number they know you fabricated this story of yours all they were doing was trying to be nice. You pushed way to far.No one has to call you a liar Jo. No need that would be a insult to you especialy when your one of the best deception writers around. Does Ralph know how bad you'vre put him down, why did you do that Jo after all he did for you.The stories that you made up about Duanes ex wife will come back to haunt you Jo look out Duanes real family may get very upset with you soon.I believe it was Mc Coys wife that won a 100,000 dollar law suit for some one trying to connect her and her family to the hijacking.But you have plenty of money.Now Quaid made a good sugestion. This show your going to be on why don't you take a polygraph live on the show or if i can get the FBI to give you one will you take it.You said you would when you did the interview with Doug Pasternek.The new ones can't be fooled they are very reliable.But you won't . You want that book and movie deal to much.Anyway Im going to send all the links that i have found doing my research to all that as been implicated in this case by you.I'm not done with every thing yet I will be soon and Duanes real family will be contacted and not just by me.Jerry
Jo thats not the only place you have posted and made coments on. You will not be able to explain this fabrication of yours away. Time for that polygraph to be taken. You know the one you promissed you would take when you did your interview with Doug Pasternek.More results of my research will be posted soon. Thanks again Blevins for the research complaint.Jerry
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QuoteGeoger . I was on the phone with Vicki at the same time I was posting as a mater of fact I just hung up the phone. She can verify that you and I had no contact or discussed any of these posts. Jerry
No problem. Call me tonight ... the coffee pot is
on.
Hope all is ok up there. Had family in all weekend
so wasnt available.
G.
Awsi Dooger is the one who stated McCoy was Cooper NOT me.
Later on this man explaines why he thinks McCoy was Cooper.
6-16-2006
7-14-06
dbcooperchatcher won't reveal his suspect. In retrospect I think this man is Galen Cook.
They teach me how to scan photos and post them
Popeye must have seen every Doc I did.
06-29-2006
At this time I am under the impression that Pyramid Life underwrote the policy for N.W.
I would later find this NOT to be true.
6-19-2006 02:38AM
I tell about the DREAM Duane had in 1978 during the 1st 6 months of our marriage. Creaming boody murder that he was gong to die and theat he left his prints on the aft stairs.
Tell about Ft. Benning and the dupelx and his telling me had lived there and said that was where they used to jump. (ileft out he word over there).
I state I am MAD beceuse someone threatened my life over this - that was the name all you guys make fun of but the man really did exist.
06-19-2006
Now I am learning some things as I was unaware of a MLK connections made by 60 minutes in 1978. I explain I had never mentioned CIA, but possibly Coverts using ex-cons...who bought their way out of prison doing things no one else would do.
The ex-wife had told me about Jame Earl Ray being in prison with Duane, but I had not found this alarming. Now, I am upset to learn of this 60 minutes connection because of to MLK.
06-19-2006
I tell them I had not talked about what the ex told me because I didn't want people to think I was crazy and felt it would hurt my cause and mission to find the truth.
06-20-2006
I am alking about Tena's bar. I tell about the crew taking me there and I insist it is not the right place. The place was EAST of there. I tell about the ANGEL Udell but I call her Odell in the post. I do NOT bash JT because I had stop communications with him in 2001 after I got back from WA. So far everything is just as I have told in this thread.
I tell them in 1980 that Duane tell me "It was Worthless" when I mention the article in the paper - that puzzles them and me. They couldn't understand that even if I didn't get to watcht the special that there would have been something in the paper. The one paper there was some thng in I never got to read. He was the one who bought the papers. We had the Sunday paper delivered and if he wanted one he went and got it during the wk. Sometime read it but I really had too much going on with a teenage daughter and our work to pay much attention to newpapers...I just didn't take time to read papers in those yrs.
06-22-2006
I get blasted because for some reason some one miss understood me and though i didn't know where Duane was from 1968 to 1972. I explain I have the tax records - so yes I know the addresses and employers. Finally they get it and realize the help I need is putting Duane in a chute.
06-23-2006
I give them what chronological information I had at that time/ I had speculated Duene knew OR and WA from the late 40's but have no proof of this. I tell about that Sunday we went to a Hotel/Bar in the lower mountians of Co. and the man shouting at Duane to never come back there.
That I never knew what this was about.
So far I haven't found any gross discrepancies between what I say now and what I was saying in 2006.
Later on this man explaines why he thinks McCoy was Cooper.
6-16-2006
7-14-06
dbcooperchatcher won't reveal his suspect. In retrospect I think this man is Galen Cook.
They teach me how to scan photos and post them
Popeye must have seen every Doc I did.
06-29-2006
At this time I am under the impression that Pyramid Life underwrote the policy for N.W.
I would later find this NOT to be true.
6-19-2006 02:38AM
I tell about the DREAM Duane had in 1978 during the 1st 6 months of our marriage. Creaming boody murder that he was gong to die and theat he left his prints on the aft stairs.
Tell about Ft. Benning and the dupelx and his telling me had lived there and said that was where they used to jump. (ileft out he word over there).
I state I am MAD beceuse someone threatened my life over this - that was the name all you guys make fun of but the man really did exist.
06-19-2006
Now I am learning some things as I was unaware of a MLK connections made by 60 minutes in 1978. I explain I had never mentioned CIA, but possibly Coverts using ex-cons...who bought their way out of prison doing things no one else would do.
The ex-wife had told me about Jame Earl Ray being in prison with Duane, but I had not found this alarming. Now, I am upset to learn of this 60 minutes connection because of to MLK.
06-19-2006
I tell them I had not talked about what the ex told me because I didn't want people to think I was crazy and felt it would hurt my cause and mission to find the truth.
06-20-2006
I am alking about Tena's bar. I tell about the crew taking me there and I insist it is not the right place. The place was EAST of there. I tell about the ANGEL Udell but I call her Odell in the post. I do NOT bash JT because I had stop communications with him in 2001 after I got back from WA. So far everything is just as I have told in this thread.
I tell them in 1980 that Duane tell me "It was Worthless" when I mention the article in the paper - that puzzles them and me. They couldn't understand that even if I didn't get to watcht the special that there would have been something in the paper. The one paper there was some thng in I never got to read. He was the one who bought the papers. We had the Sunday paper delivered and if he wanted one he went and got it during the wk. Sometime read it but I really had too much going on with a teenage daughter and our work to pay much attention to newpapers...I just didn't take time to read papers in those yrs.
06-22-2006
I get blasted because for some reason some one miss understood me and though i didn't know where Duane was from 1968 to 1972. I explain I have the tax records - so yes I know the addresses and employers. Finally they get it and realize the help I need is putting Duane in a chute.
06-23-2006
I give them what chronological information I had at that time/ I had speculated Duene knew OR and WA from the late 40's but have no proof of this. I tell about that Sunday we went to a Hotel/Bar in the lower mountians of Co. and the man shouting at Duane to never come back there.
That I never knew what this was about.
So far I haven't found any gross discrepancies between what I say now and what I was saying in 2006.
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Jo your entire story is made up why do you continue this.Take a polygraph and prove to everyone what we both know.Then appoligize for your deception and be done with it.This is your only option.If not, its only going to get worse. My research has proven that you have made this story up from the very beginning.Oh almost forgot when I say ruber duckey it is refering too your actions on the video your fake crying, yes it was that obvious even to the crew that was there with you. And the fact that you knew exactly where that dog was buried. You also knew there was no ticket in that box. I still do not understand why you chose to use a ticket for evidence. and stop these stories about places you had been when on vacation in washington. There is know proof you were even here. Funny how you come up with places after you were out here in 2001.It is very clear on the tape when you insisted that you came accross the I 5 bridge (You even told the film crew that).and Duane pointed out to you where DB Cooper buried the money as you crossed the Cowltz river bridge.( the part you took out of Max Gunthers book. Now show some proof a gas receipt a hamburger receipt that you even made that trip.Be carefull I know a secret.I have one more thing left to do that is take a polygraph and prove every thing I have said about the info on the tapes is fact and not fiction and that it was not altered in anyway then make it make it public.I'm trying to schedule this with the Sherrif Dept Now.Jerry
Where would I get new information to fabricate my story for glory and financial gain? These things YOU claim to have found - only VERIFY that I have been telling the SAME story for yrs and yrs.
Jerry States:
It was brought to my atention that Duane had big elf like ears.
Well, Jerry you have not seen all the photos of Duane L. Weber - there are only 2 photo that make his ears look large and none of other photos have that look.
You can dispute the plane ticket all you want - but it is what it is - my word....and I know I cannot prove it. But, I also didn't imagine it.
Ditto for the Money bag
The finger prints - Well, Jerry explain how they sent Duane Weber to prison in 1966 as John Collins and commuted him as John Collins if they truely had the Duane L. Weber fingerprints? Even the FBI can't explain that one.
I have never put Ralph down. He told me all he could tell me as an agent....and as a retired agent he is still bound by the law. Knowing you - and because you twist things - you tell him a bunch of crap just like you tell about me on this thread.
All of your ranting and raving and accusations are only going to come back to haunt you. Haven't you realized by now the written world is difficult to change.
All these attacks on me only come right back at you making you look really stupid.
I put the FBI down after 2000 and that had NOTHING to do with Himmelsbach. Had it not been for Himmelsbach - the FBI would not know who Weber was.
Didn't you just recently state that Himmelsbach told you this or that and that you are like a son to him and that he has ALL of the FBI files in his home. You have told a lot of things that are not true right here in this thread.
Do you honestly think he condones your actions in this thread toward me? Didn't he tell you to lay off several months ago?
Jerry said:
The stories that you made up about Duanes ex wife will come back to haunt you Jo look out Duanes real family may get very upset with you soon.
Anything the ex-wife told me is in my notes and on tape.
I made up nothing...and the fact that she had a drinking problem meant I could not always depend on what she told me...and took it with a grain of salt.
So now you want to scare me off with threats of a law-suit because you think I have lots of money!
Oh, that is funny......You think i am rich because I flew to WA and spent 5K. I thought you got more than that out of your Gold mine every wk. TIS TIS. Yet, everyone calls you on their nickel. TIS TIS I am an old lady on SS...trying to unravel the background of her husband.
Jerry you have worn the polygraph thing out - give it up. I agreed to a polygraph yrs ago, but the FBI didn't do it. So hang it up! After 15 yrs - a polygraph means nothing.
Jerry states:
You want that book and movie deal to much
What movie or book deal? sound like you are afraid someone is actually going to make an offer and you won't have a cut of it. Sound MORE like that Jerry has an offer or he is afraid of being outed.
You don't need to send me links - I have every last word in print. AND how many times to I have to tell you to call 999 2Heaven if you want to speak to Duane's family. Just how dense is your skull anyway?
If Duane was alive he would 87 yrs old, his brother was 12 yrs old and his sister was 6 yrs older.
Parents are deceased. Bother had no children and the sister had 3 and 2 of them are deceased. They never knew their Uncle. Duane's family disowned him in 1957. Duane Weber really had NO family other than his sister he connected with after he and I got married, but he didn't do that until 1985. That was the first time he ever GOT a Christmast Card from his isister. It was the first time he felt SAVE enough to provide her with an address.
Jerry States:
It was brought to my atention that Duane had big elf like ears.
Well, Jerry you have not seen all the photos of Duane L. Weber - there are only 2 photo that make his ears look large and none of other photos have that look.
You can dispute the plane ticket all you want - but it is what it is - my word....and I know I cannot prove it. But, I also didn't imagine it.
Ditto for the Money bag
The finger prints - Well, Jerry explain how they sent Duane Weber to prison in 1966 as John Collins and commuted him as John Collins if they truely had the Duane L. Weber fingerprints? Even the FBI can't explain that one.
I have never put Ralph down. He told me all he could tell me as an agent....and as a retired agent he is still bound by the law. Knowing you - and because you twist things - you tell him a bunch of crap just like you tell about me on this thread.
All of your ranting and raving and accusations are only going to come back to haunt you. Haven't you realized by now the written world is difficult to change.
All these attacks on me only come right back at you making you look really stupid.
I put the FBI down after 2000 and that had NOTHING to do with Himmelsbach. Had it not been for Himmelsbach - the FBI would not know who Weber was.
Didn't you just recently state that Himmelsbach told you this or that and that you are like a son to him and that he has ALL of the FBI files in his home. You have told a lot of things that are not true right here in this thread.
Do you honestly think he condones your actions in this thread toward me? Didn't he tell you to lay off several months ago?
Jerry said:
The stories that you made up about Duanes ex wife will come back to haunt you Jo look out Duanes real family may get very upset with you soon.
Anything the ex-wife told me is in my notes and on tape.
I made up nothing...and the fact that she had a drinking problem meant I could not always depend on what she told me...and took it with a grain of salt.
So now you want to scare me off with threats of a law-suit because you think I have lots of money!
Oh, that is funny......You think i am rich because I flew to WA and spent 5K. I thought you got more than that out of your Gold mine every wk. TIS TIS. Yet, everyone calls you on their nickel. TIS TIS I am an old lady on SS...trying to unravel the background of her husband.
Jerry you have worn the polygraph thing out - give it up. I agreed to a polygraph yrs ago, but the FBI didn't do it. So hang it up! After 15 yrs - a polygraph means nothing.
Jerry states:
You want that book and movie deal to much
What movie or book deal? sound like you are afraid someone is actually going to make an offer and you won't have a cut of it. Sound MORE like that Jerry has an offer or he is afraid of being outed.
You don't need to send me links - I have every last word in print. AND how many times to I have to tell you to call 999 2Heaven if you want to speak to Duane's family. Just how dense is your skull anyway?
If Duane was alive he would 87 yrs old, his brother was 12 yrs old and his sister was 6 yrs older.
Parents are deceased. Bother had no children and the sister had 3 and 2 of them are deceased. They never knew their Uncle. Duane's family disowned him in 1957. Duane Weber really had NO family other than his sister he connected with after he and I got married, but he didn't do that until 1985. That was the first time he ever GOT a Christmast Card from his isister. It was the first time he felt SAVE enough to provide her with an address.
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Jo You can't prove anything. As for why you make stuff up you know the answer to that. Also it doesn't matter what some one says, you find a way to try and make up a story to connect to that . You just tried it with George Nuttall. Something about a mafia conection . You even called Vicki and tried to make a connection with Duane and her father.Why? only you know. Yes that info also came from research. Oh! how do you change colors on you sentences.Jerry Ref: Duanes family How many times was he married. Are you sure he has no living relatives you have already stated you didn't no much about his past. So what is it JO you knew him are you didn't. The polygraph thats just your way of saying if you took it you couldn't pass it.That is self admitance of guilt I tried to get you to take one after the ruber duckey incident you refused to do it then.
Quoteappoligize for your deception and be done with it.This is your only option.
If not, its only going to get worse.
Jerry you are very very sick - get some help.
QuoteMy research has proven that you have made this story up from the very beginning.
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As for the Rubber Duck - I remember sitting on that porch and being told to use the names of the place you told me to use even thought I told them that I did not feel like they were right after I got back for WA. I was told to use the names you gave me - the ONE mistake I made - it was the one time I didn't follow my gut and as far as I am concern one of the few mistakes I have made. I felt beholden to them about diggiing the dog up and did as I was told.
Jerry Threaten:
and stop these stories about places you had been when on vacation in washington. There is know proof you were even here. Funny how you come up with places after you were out here in 2001.
I have 5k worth of receipts for 2010. There are people on this thread and who met with me while I was out there...one even helped me find a place YOU have insisted since in 1996 did NOT exist. WHY would you do that? WHY did you LIE? WHY did you DECEIVE?
As for the body of water, any IDIOT would have know I was describing Lake LaCames and yet you told me there was NO such BODY of WATER...but I found that in 2001 after the crew left and you have the name of the dective who was with me. (Oh, that's right you told me he didn't exist either). One of the women has died, but 2 other are still alive, BUT NO ONE wants to TALK to you because they ALL think you are DANGEROUS. YOU Scare them and you try to scare me - you don't know how to treat anyone with respect.
You can disagree without intimidating, but you would rather continue on this path until the thread is shut down.
Jerry rants:
Tape are fact and not fiction and that it was not altered in anyway then make it make it public.I'm trying to schedule this with the Sherrif Dept Now.Jerry
Jerry BE SURE:
Be sure to tell the Sheriff the tapes were made in 1997 and tell him to check with Fla Law on this in 1997 I have requested you make me a copy of these TAPES so I can HEAR for myself what you are claiming I said.
You coerced me and kept telling me that what I described did NOT exist and that it had to be this or that. You had me over a barrel and I had NO choice, but to believe WHAT you told me and use the NAMES of the places you gave to me. REMEMBER that as soon as I had a free rein on WA soil in 2001 I refuted in public what you told me and I made it public you lied to me, but I could not understand your motive.
Your motive is multiple choice.
1. You are deranged or crazy.
2. You re part of cover-up.
3. You have to be the one to find Cooper
4. You found something and want me out of the way or dead.
5. You are delusional.
6. You don't understand what a lie is.
7. You are a bully.
8. You couldn't understand my descriptions.
9. You made an honest mistake
or
10. NO one is going to find Cooper but you.
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Jo. Sick could be. Only my Doctor knows for sure. Your stories are all fiction. I will see it published.I have no more responses for you with out repeating my self.Ive proven my point, now its time for action. I'm sure the public will see it the way I and many others do.Jerry
QuoteJo. Sick could be. Only my Doctor knows for sure. Your stories are all fiction. I will see it published.I have no more responses for you with out repeating my self.Ive proven my point, now its time for action. I'm sure the public will see it the way I and many others do.Jerry
You ARE A VERY SICK PERSON.
VERY SICK. When every post I have ever made disputes you - you still can't let go. You did everything you could to brainwash me, BUT did NOT work...just temporarily - that is why you were SO UPSET when you found out I had spent 15 days in WA...and still claimed my hill didn't exist.
YOU FAILED YOUR MISSION.
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Lied Jo. No I did not You hadn't made up all thse stories when you first talked to me. That stuff came later after you got your first taste of fame and was proven deceptive then . The FBI proved you wrong and decieving. Your grasping for straws and trying to save face. Give it up.Now I haven't out right called you a lier.like you have me. Why Quade hasn't bared you from this forum I do not know. I do remember that when I called you a lier one time i was bared, Geoger has been bared all because of you and your deception abilitys. Jerry
I have letters and black and white doucuments that say the same thing from day one. Including the FBI also has tapes of the conversations. I have copies of tapes and letters and things that are dated prior to 2001 that state the same things over and over. Doug Pasternac also has his notes and research.
There are friends and family who will vouch the story did not change (but, I have enough written documentation to prove the story did NOT change - it improved, but that was a learning process - such as finding out YOU lied to ME. WHY?
I am too tired to deal with you.
I promised myself last night I would NOT reply to your post, but YOU will NOT leave me alone...I have asked NOT to attack me me - but you cannot leave it be.
There are friends and family who will vouch the story did not change (but, I have enough written documentation to prove the story did NOT change - it improved, but that was a learning process - such as finding out YOU lied to ME. WHY?
I am too tired to deal with you.
I promised myself last night I would NOT reply to your post, but YOU will NOT leave me alone...I have asked NOT to attack me me - but you cannot leave it be.
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Jo you mean the hill you found on GOOGLE maps and made up a story about years later. As I said before that storie didn't exist untill years later You even made up the story that you told me about it this is easily proven through Ralph. What am I doing ? All your going to do is make stories after stories then make up stories to even back them up thats all you do. Every one on drop zone already knows this to be true.your not worth any more response's. So continue you practice on your fiction writing skills No one believes you anyway. Jerry
georger 244
... the story did NOT change - it improved,
Oh it improved alright! Like an acorn becomes
an oak forest, of bad loans.
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The polygraph .
Here is what you asked for - attached.
The link no longer works.
G
Geoger Your right responding to Jo is fruitless taking action is what I will continue to do.Now back to Cooper Research.Nuttall has a question for Robert 99. Nuttall can't run a computer.and robert 99 can't talk on the phone. These questions are important to this case and has bearing on the flight path so I think the best way to work this is through the PM system. what do you think.Jerry
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QuoteGeoger Your right responding to Jo is fruitless taking action is what I will continue to do.Now back to Cooper Research.Nuttall has a question for Robert 99. Nuttall can't run a computer.and robert 99 can't talk on the phone. These questions are important to this case and has bearing on the flight path so I think the best way to work this is through the PM system. what do you think.Jerry
George can pass anything to you then I will
pass directly to R99 or you can. Or, George
can call me and I will pass directly to R99.
Either way. Whatever works.
You have R99's email. George could email
R99 directly. I am sure R99 would not care.
Give George my regards. He has my number
but not my email.
Thanks Jerry.
G.
i HAVENT ALTERED A DAMNED THING!
TRY YOUR TACXTICAL BULLSHIT ON SOMEONE ELSE.
Your words are:
"If Duane was not Cooper he sure as Hell knew who was".
I have said that since day one - it is in the communications I had with Doug Pasternac and with Ralph H. All it does is explain the items I held in my hands - the airline ticket, the stub and the bag. "
If Duane "sure as Hell knew who was". , then who
did he know of, check out, and drove by his house,
pointed out to you in the car etc. ... who had been
alleged by some to be Cooper? You know the
answer as well as I do.
The reason you will not admit to this is: you want
Duane to have been Cooper. You morphed the
myth. And I have solid reason to believe you
have told people about this through the years.
And you definately said: "If Duane was not Cooper he sure as Hell knew who was".
It had nothing to do with supposed evidence
you claim you were holding in your hands. It
has to do with you and Duane looking McCoy's
house up and driving by it (numerous times?).
The whole world knew McCoy might have been
Cooper. It was in every newspaper for years.
It was common knowledge at Virginia Beach,
and there is no way to deny that. Duane and
you loved 'impersonation' and you still do!
You slipped up Jo. Thats what happens when
your tactics run ahead of your truth (of which you
have none - no evidence, just claims).
BY THE BY -
That Jerry Thomas and I happen to be posting
simultaneously about this is pure coincidence.
We come from totally different directions - we
have not discussed our posts or communicated
in any way. Its just two people approaching Jo's
stories from totally different directions, each
from his own experience.
That should be obvious to anyone (but Jo Weber).
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