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Jo you mean the hill you found on GOOGLE maps and made up a story about years later. As I said before that storie didn't exist untill years later You even made up the story that you told me about it this is easily proven through Ralph. Jerry



Jerry the hill I told you about and Ralph about from get go - from day one. YOU KNOW exactly what I am talking about because I told you about it after I got back from WA this last time. YOU didn't want to talk about it. WHY?

That hill has been part of the story since DAY ONE. The hill where Duane said he used to know a man who owned some property at the very point we turned. The hill that wound around and around with a very narrow road and there were branchs down and I was afraid because of the steep sides. The hill with the clearing like an old homestead with very large dead trees on top of it and large rocks - The one I said looked like a cemetery. There was a wooden gate and a wire fence. This was the point that Duane told me about the creek that was the same creek that we went across on the road that he said was where Cooper walked out of the woods. The same place he told me that the power lines and the pipe lines all crossed and before the undergrowth you could walk for miles and miles and miles.

Then he points in another direction and tells how they all intersect with the pipeline and how easly it was to follow this all the way to the Columbia and guess where all of that comes out on the Columbia at that Marina I told about where the boat came up missing. This is in the same area as the farm where he knew people.

This description was sent to Himmelsbach and related to you over and over and over. It is in tapes and letters to the FBI...all of this dating from get go...1997.
This was why Mr. H involved you - because he thought you would know where it was. YOU also told me there was NO way the WASHOUGAL river could be on my left unless I was going NORTH. YOU were wrong about that also....because when I followed Udell's direction...she stopped at the bridge and told me if I had ever been there I would know my way from that point.

She was right - as soon as we crossed that bridge I asked the driver to turn left and the I asked what was on our left thru the trees - guess what the Washougal. Then as we went on down the road I told him to make a turn - and he then told me if we had not turned there the road would have dead-ended about a mile down the road. Then when we turned and head North there was the pasture lands I kept telling you about. And the when we got to a certain n point I started to scream turn turn turn. He was going a normal speed. He told me that unless we turned there - there was no other body of water that would have met my description.

He was like you - he was focusing on a river...it was a lake I thought was a river and Duane did NOT correct me. He asked me why I said turn turn at that point. I saw a sign - a street sign - it was the only road sign I remembered from the trip in 1979. I remembered it only because of the unusal things that Duane showed and told me and made a mental note to remember the next road sign I saw. I couldn't remember it when I spoke with you, but when I saw the sign - it was there in front of me..I have visual recall.

I found alll of the stuff you said did not exist and I have told you this now since 2001...but you called me a liar - so I shut down ALL communications with you after that - I TRUSTED YOU NO MORE. You never expected me to be able to go back in 2010 and find this even with all of the deveLopment. You didn't realize I was raised on a farm and had very good sense of direction. I never got lost in the woods. NOT once. I always found my way out.

This is the area you told the thread was a Wal-Mart - it is in this thread - read it. There was no Wal-Mart there...even in this thread when I made as vivid a description as I just did above you still claimed it was NOT there, but it was and it still is.

You claimed it was property your wife parents owned at one time.

So JUST how TRUTHFUL are you Mr T. JUST how SMART are you Mr T. These are the things YOU have to SHUT ME UP about because YOU KNOW they make you look sound like a DO DO Bird. You know these very things are the reason you HAVE to shut me up. You Mr. T did this yourself in this thread. If you knew this area WHY didn't you KNOW I was talking about a LAKE and not a RIVER? WHY did you insist Duane TURNED me around and took me back to the Columbia. I told YOU IT WAS NOT THE COLUMBIA - I argued with you till I was sick.

We doubled back and then he takes me to the Washougal, but he goes to far. He talks about a Cabin he helped build on the river. He has gone too far and missed his turn, but I told him I saw 2 roads behind us - we turn around and there was mobil homes or double wides I could see (again something you told me was NOT there in 1979. We turn around at that point and go South to what I now know to be Coffee Road and he tells me about another cemetary besides the 1st one we went to before we went to the Lake. The other one was in Washougal and behind it used to be an old camp along the river. .

I tried to tell you all of this was before WE went to 500 and that we turned NORTH off of 500 and went to the woods where the clearing where and the tower that was no longer there - I had no concept of distance because I was not driving - I thought all of this stuff was close but it was not.
This was the same location he talked about the train track and the cart and that he mentioned Battleground Lake and a place they stored the carts and a gravel pit.

Then I told you he took me to a thing on the other side of Battleground that he called a HAT. and then we went back to 500 and along 5 hundred he pointed up a road and said it went to Dollar Corner Tavern and he used to know a man there.
Then we went up I-5 and going up I-5 yes he points out another covert type thing and talkes about a park on the left the guys used to go to and then he mentions all the power lines going paralle and intersecting. Then further on up I-5 the mentions another cemetary and St Helens and that he used to know a woman who had a store there and then we are in Longview and another town and he mentions a place the guys used to eat at. He also around Lewis river he mention some places over on the coast line - more parks.


Almost ALL of the above was communicated to you and to Ralph in 1996 and 1997 and 1998 and 1999....I have copies of letters I sent and I made tapes. The tapes won't prove anything to anyone - they could have been recorded at anytime during all of this - but dated letter are a different animals.

Please crawl back under the rock you have been under - I don't like snakes.
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Geoger this site clinche's it on Jo's contact with Tina. I highly recommend all read this forum. Research is a wonderfull thing. Thank you. I realy apreciate it. According to this Jo state's they were writing her orbituary in 2002 this seems to be the ploy she uses for info to build her story. Its the same in all the sites. Jerry

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Geoger this site clinche's it on Jo's contact with Tina. I highly recommend all read this forum. Research is a wonderfull thing. Thank you. I realy apreciate it. According to this Jo state's they were writing her orbituary in 2002 this seems to be the ploy she uses for info to build her story. Its the same in all the sites. Jerry



Yes, Jerry I have had some very serious health problems - over the yrs...and I have the medical bills to prove it. Remember that in 2000 I had a VERY serious auto accident that left me with some serious problems to complicate the other health problems. Imade my trip to WA on a cane and was so bad with the other problem on 3 different days during those 15 day I was able to do very little.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Geoger Your right responding to Jo is fruitless taking action is what I will continue to do.Now back to Cooper Research.Nuttall has a question for Robert 99. Nuttall can't run a computer.and robert 99 can't talk on the phone. These questions are important to this case and has bearing on the flight path so I think the best way to work this is through the PM system. what do you think.Jerry



Finally!! Some intelligent research! I can add to that also. There were some unregistered radio towers in the mountains, one of which was used for an identification fix to help locate the jump location. You also need to look at the MONTREAL CONVENTION and its relationship to Project Norjak. This was the focus of the entire operation and the reason the hijacking was allowed to proceed. Review the timeline. It is the backbone of solving the case.

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Knoss. Sorry Bob no towers for this jump. All como was done by another means. There were towers in the area but they were guarded by Duane Weber wantabees siting around campfires sewing little parachutes together and printing plane tickets.But I thought your research already showed that.Jerry

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I spent the weekend researching Cooper by doing my own private investigation which was not intended for public dissemination of known facts by people who have said this many times before and after the time I spent as a DB researcher.

I went into the airport restroom, not to use it but just to relax and collect my thoughts (as you do). I randomly selected a stall and there were hundreds and hundreds of little bi-fold, toilet tissues scattered on the floor. I’ve NEVER seen this before and knew it was some sort of coded message warning me that I’m too close to the truth which is all I’ve ever cared about in the first place since I’m so noble and hunky.

Why would a person litter the floor with 287 little toilet papers if not as some desperate act of communication? What were they trying to tell me? How did they know I would choose this stall? That’s too much to just explain away as coincidence and many people will agree with me on that so the information has been finely filtered.

As I was sitting there minding my own business and seeking the truth, another person enters an adjacent stall but showed no signs of using the convenience. I think that sicko was in there just to watch or shadow me so I said “I know exactly what you’re doing in there and I’m notifying security.” It’s always best to reveal your intentions before acting on them as a way to intimidate mean, dishonest people.

I fill out a report with airport security which is supposed to be confidential and not to be released to the general public as it is my right to privacy, besides I only wanted to let that person know that two could play that sort of game. But the security people whose job it is to take reports on such incidents and keep them private and not make them public and known to average people who do not have a right to know what I reported took too long investigating and he got away. I don’t know if I’ll live long enough to see an end to this and have taken measures to ensure that my efforts will be recognized by ALL media outlets in broadcast and printed in black and white on pieces of paper or glossy covered magazines featured at grocery check-outs between the Tic-Tacs and cellophane wrapped silk roses. If my story is NOT released to the public for all the known facts to be finally known by everyone looking for the truth about the known and unknown facts then the cover up will continue and I can simply do no more. I’m just too tired of being virtuous and honest and doing what others would not do or try to do as I have done many times in the past with multiple witnesses who will verify my activities from 3 June 1978 and 24 October 2006 when this all started to get weird. You can ask anyone who has seen what I have done that has asked to be kept out of this and I respect their wishes by keeping their names out of the public and keep it private and that is what I will keep doing since I’m so honorable and trustworthy with information which is private and not meant for anyone to know about which I don’t appreciate being spread after I tell them in a private phone conversation which several people heard at the time.

The airport security asked me about all the paper on the floor in the stall I occupied. Well I wasn’t about to do their job for them and just give away the fact that those 287 personal hygiene expendables on the floor were a virtual confession to the Cooper hijacking. Not on your life, I’ve worked too hard and long seeking the truth to just ‘give it away’, so I told them to do their own investigation since that is what they get paid to do. I don’t have time to answer their questions AND complete an honest and open query into Flight 305.

So they respond in typical Fascist, bully-boy fashion by issuing ME (remember I MADE THE COMPLAINT!) a citation for the destruction of public property. Just another example of how deep the roots are in the conspiracy to impede my research on of all things President’s Day. I honestly don’t know why I even try anymore.

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If Dante had known about this thread he would have had a 10th circle.



We always knew there was a 10th circle - just
could not prove it. What of an 11th and 12th?

And the amazing thing is, admission is cheap!
Only $100. The value Jo set for Tina's contact
info.

Porteous charged Lyle what? $500? $700?

USNews presumably paid Pasternak ?

. . .

Who pays Tina? Does Tina ever get paid!?

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I’m just too tired of being virtuous and honest...



I know its a huge burden Farflung, but hang in there. Virtue and honesty are increasingly rare qualities here.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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ok, i'm confused by the van gogh reference. and aren't there supposed to be crows in that one? something looks edited but not nearly enough of an expert to know



well, my point is Tina's Story may very easily be
worth what a vanGogh, Picasso, Klimt, or even that
hoary Pollock Ive been looking at here all these
years is worth ... ?

and some "piker" comes along and offers $100?

Is that a reflexion of the actual world economy
or just a reflexion of the person making the offer
and is the person's offer also a reflexion of what
the person knows 'her story' is worth ? .... $100,
discounted to $35 at the starving artist Cooper
table along I5 near the bridge? Does the seller
even have a permit to buy and sell ? Has her
fish been inspected as safe to consume and
sell!?

That $100 offer may reflect what actually is
going on inside that 10th Level in Hell ?

Maybe you have to be a physicist to see this?

Values tend to float on the 'underlying
undisclosed assessed value' a person has,
which only that person knows! People offering
$100 for a property worth far more are not
likely to have great value in their own collections?
People tend to offer values based on their own
true worth? (newtonian mechanics)

Jo offering $100 for Tina's contact info, is either
an insult or an absurdity. It reflects Jo's
assessment of the value of her own story.

Who would have sold Tina's contact info to Jo
for $100 when they could call almost any
major medium and get $1000-$5000 without
even trying?

:)

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Good point and excelent research.Will the Investigation on Vicki's father is in its second week. Im going to call today and check on it along with other things.Just had a conversation with a friend that has a production company in London he wants to discuss show Ideas. He's the one that did the documentary called It Happened here. for the Entertainment channel in 2001.He's interested in the 40th Birthday Of this case.All of you should schedule a visit to Aerial Washington this year. Its going to have a lot of people from around the world. Celeb's too.Research Says. Jerry

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Good point and excelent research.Will the Investigation on Vicki's father is in its second week. Im going to call today and check on it along with other things.Just had a conversation with a friend that has a production company in London he wants to discuss show Ideas. He's the one that did the documentary called It Happened here. for the intertainment channel in 2001.He's interested in the 40th Birthday Of this case.All of you should schedule a visit to Aerial Washington this year. Its going to have a lot of people from around the world. Celeb's too.Research Says. Jerry



well . . . I am less ambitious, as you know.

a journey of a 100ft begins with a single step.

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Good point and excelent research.Will the Investigation on Vicki's father is in its second week. Im going to call today and check on it along with other things.Just had a conversation with a friend that has a production company in London he wants to discuss show Ideas. He's the one that did the documentary called It Happened here. for the intertainment channel in 2001.He's interested in the 40th Birthday Of this case.All of you should schedule a visit to Aerial Washington this year. Its going to have a lot of people from around the world. Celeb's too.Research Says. Jerry



Are you going "in-cog-neat-o? Your are banned there, you know!

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Knoss. Sorry Bob no towers for this jump. All como was done by another means. There were towers in the area but they were guarded by Duane Weber wantabees siting around campfires sewing little parachutes together and printing plane tickets.But I thought your research already showed that.Jerry



Cap discussed it, maybe he didn't use them, but he said he would. Anybody can change their mind, I guess. I don't research the wannabes, I just chuckle when you guys tell me about them. Now those little parachutes could be collectible if Kenny actually signed them. We all used to make them as kids. Little lead Cooper's, four strings tied to the corners of a silk handkerchief. Roll 'em up and throw them in the air.... "Geronimo!" Fuel for the campfires must have been those "Blast" books, but he wants to recycle, now. Now if Blevins stuck one of those signed parachutes inside each cover, he might get rid of his stock before the Boy Scouts come. I called them for him. Next Tuesday they said.

Were the guys who were making the tickets from Stalag 17? They made some good stuff. That little Brit. A master ticket maker.

Who do you know who likes poetry, is dyslexic, favorite movie, "The High and the Mighty," made a black and white movie about a hijacker, smoked Lucky Strikes, made high altitude parachute jumps, was a instructor level rigger, has a squadron jacket with a silver F86? and a parachute in a circle painted on the back, Wore a jump suit with the name (withheld) over the left breast pocket, gave everybody a nick-name, always drove klunkers and kept them running, a blue? van at the time, usually ducked going through doorways, has a hard time with computers, threatens people, helps drunk pilots, and is friends with Ralph? He was the guy I watched train Duane Weber.;) Could have been anybody, except for the name on the military jump suit.....

What's the big problem with just coughing up the whole story? Watergate scare you guys? Come on, this is different. Everybody loves to get a hand in the crotch before boarding. Right? Go for it!

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Are you going "in-cog-neat-o? Your are banned there, you know!



Thats nonsense. You obviously havent talked
to Donna recently! You dont even live in Washington - how in hell would you know?

Jerry's friend, George Nuttall said Jerry was banned by Donna in the Ariel Bar. What, did Donna lift the ban?? It's a really small World. Met an old girlfriend walking down a street in Barre, Italy. Met another old girlfriend camping in the next campsite at Grand Canyon. Haven't seen Squeeky Fromme in a coon's age, however. Now that she's out, who knows?

And, no, I am not dumb enough to say that unless I could prove it if I had to....... I don't tell you everything, Jo taught me to always keep a few secrets in reserve so you can play, "gotcha!" You just can't use fake stories because somebody will quote your erroneous info. Keep it all truthful. Squeeky had a continuing problem with micro-crustacea.B|

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Haven't seen Squeeky Fromme in a coon's age, however. Now that she's out, who knows?



RFK, JFK, MLK and now Charley Manson?

I don't know what gives you more Norjack info, a sectional chart with the Victor Airways or a Hollywood star map?

I don't know any stars. Can I still play?

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Bob wrote:

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Haven't seen Squeeky Fromme in a coon's age, however. Now that she's out, who knows?



RFK, JFK, MLK and now Charley Manson?

I don't know what gives you more Norjack info, a sectional chart with the Victor Airways or a Hollywood star map?

I don't know any stars. Can I still play?

377




I never met Manson, JFK, RFK, MLK, or Jesus. Never met PeeWee, thank God! I've been most fortunate meeting many well known good people as well as a few not so nice famous ones. It would be considered seeking fame if I discussed it, so I will not. Mac liked that stuff. Fame was important to him. He knew tons of big names. They would be a pain in the ass to me. Alice never gave me that chance.
People in California run into famous people everyday. It's normal.

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