DB Cooper

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BS Jerry

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BS Jerry

No offense Jerry, but I always love it when people say it's their last response to this person or that person..or they are outta here for good.
Didn't take long for Jerry to respond to Jo. Now we have to see how long Blevins will stay gone.
It's like Pistachios. I have to actually close the bag and put it in the cabinet. Otherwise...my hand keeps gravitating towards the bag and the stack of empty, useless-except-for -compost shells keeps getting bigger.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Farflung, you literally made me laugh out loud.

I hate to break it to you but Tina has tossed her habit. I hope you won't lose interest in the case.

That Singing Nun was pretty hot, but why do you pursue the unattainable? If a nun gave in to you I bet she would lose her allure as soon as the habit hit the floor. Perhaps you'd ask her to keep it on.

You'd do a lot better at a bowling alley on womens' league night than you ever would at a convent... but you already know that.

Between your work and the unclaimed DORKZONE on YouTube we've seen some really creative and funny stuff here. Keep it coming Farflung!

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Farflung, you literally made me laugh out loud.

I hate to break it to you but Tina has tossed her habit. I hope you won't lose interest in the case.

That Singing Nun was pretty hot, but why do you pursue the unattainable? If a nun gave in to you I bet she would lose her allure as soon as the habit hit the floor. Perhaps you'd ask her to keep it on.

You'd do a lot better at a bowling alley on womens' league night than you ever would at a convent... but you already know that.

Between your work and the unclaimed DORKZONE on YouTube we've seen some really creative and funny stuff here. Keep it coming Farflung!

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Is Farflung a Clark Co. employee?
A Clark County employee did the DORKZONE
video? Listen to the video again.

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That actually wasn't a response. BS actually stands for Bad Story. All she did that week after the film crew left was get a map rent a car and drive around looking for things That she could make up new stories with.If you'll check her stories from day one they have changed and a lot of new info added as people gave her new ideas. She just tried to start a new one recently using some piece of jewelry she probably got off of eBay. Now this was a response.Jerry

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There is a story about a 20 dollar bill - but no one would believe it so I don't tell it - because in was in the months after Duane's death when I had no knowledge of who DAN COOPER was.

All right Jo, I'll bite. Tell us the 20 dollar bill story.

If you don't this will add another point to your tease count.

I hate to keep harping on the prison inmate smoke jumper issue but I akm trying to get you to see that your memory may be faulty and biased. I have done extensive searching and even corresponded with smoke jumper history experts. I dont think such a program ever existed and neither does anyone but you. To err is human. I think you erred.

I and everyone else have skewed facts when trying to recall past events. I think that's what happened with repect to the alleged prison inmate smoke jumper article. You have morphed some memory into an inaccurate account of what you saw. I saw MANY MANY articles on inmates working as ground fire fighters, but ZERO on prison inmate smoke jumpers. You may have a faulty memory that has fused or blended two different articles, one about inmate fire fighters and another about non inmate smoke jumpers.

Let's assume that Jerry DID mislead you about local geography. I don't know if he did or did not, but let's assume he did for the sake of this argument. It may have confused and angered you, and caused you to waste time, but the incident does nothing to prove that Duane was Cooper so why hammer away at it all the time?

The inscription on that medallion is very curious, but I can't see any link to Norjack.

I think your belief that Duane was Cooper is sincere, but wrong.

If you take another trip to WA and ID I hope it is productive. That last one seemed to both energize and exhaust you. If I were you I'd do something more fun. There a many DZs in FLA. Go do a tandem jump or shock us all and take an AFF course.

I wish you well and will never attack you, just disagree cordially. I wish others would do the same.

I've never threatened to leave here and I never will. It may eventually dwindle to just me and Quade, but barring a departure stall in a jumpship or an unsurvivable skydiving accident, I'll turn out the lights here.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I tell her about my research and what I am looking for and what I say is basically what I had been telling JT on the phone for 4 yrs but, he hammered at me over and over that we were on I-5 and the Columbia and that nothing else fit what I was telling him. I had only been to WA that one time in 1979 (contrary to his claim I had been to WA several times) and who was I to argue with the MAN on the ground? Plus I had no map that showed the body of water I was looking for.

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Geoger How do I find this video. Jerry

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Geoger How do I find this video. Jerry

I have no idea - go back to the original post I
guess. Its way old news. Have no idea why anyone
is still talking about it. Bored I guess. Maybe Sluggo
will repost the link if it still exists.

But the narrator says he's a county employee.
Safecracking is a Clark Co. employee. Safecracking
likes making junk videos ... 2+2 = 59854836332634

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV40OIFQmIw

enjoy!

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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You'd do a lot better at a bowling alley on womens' league night than you ever would at a convent... but you already know that.

HEY!!! Wait there a second. I bowl.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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Watch this one too Jerry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrqdmXxBZjI&NR=1

You'll be surprised at how gently the C9s deploy on a 727 exit (no sleeves, just S/L deployed). I'd guess the speed at 160 knots. You'll see a turboprop modded Twin Beech flying chase and keeping position in formation, so it couldnt have been too fast.

I'd have expected a horrible slammer opening. I've got over a hundred jumps on C9s, all with sleeves and some of them were pretty rough.

Nope, not what I expected at all. Pretty gentle openings on a 727 jet exit. If Cooper knew this he'd have no worries about doing a hop and pop out of the airliner, provided he could keep the speed down, and the flaps command assured that he would.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Vicki. When the weather clears get with. Orange One 377,quade. for sum summer fun advice on Jump locations in your area> I bet they know some folks that will give you a couple of free jumps. If your not already jumped qualified Jerry

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If your not already jumped qualified Jerry

I actually have exited a plane and landed safely once. Does that make me jump qualified? You know that silver threshold by the door how it sticks up a little bit? Then clumsy me. When I hit the ground I skinned my knee and elbow.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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377. Looks smooth but cooper did'nt use a static line jump. And he had a 25lb money bag tied to him that threw him into a spin right away. He honestly didn't have time to stabilize and orient himself. Only the most experienced jumper might have been able to stailize him self and only with a chute he was familiar with.Still time permiting even for the most experienced jumper.Jerry

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I'm not so sure it would be that hard a jump Jerry. If you pulled right off the stairs you might start spinning when your body hit the airstream and a bag made you aymmetrical, but so what?

In about 3 seconds youd be hanging under a clean C9. Even if you spun up the lines a bit, rounds usually easy to untwist and many times if you just hang there the lines will untwist theselves.

If Cooper did a delayed opening then you are 100% right, it could be a nightmare spin, but if he knew about the CIA 727 junmps he'd just pull right off the stairs.

The MA1 and similar spring loaded pilot chutes in military bailout rigs launch pretty vigorously. I've jumped from a DC 9 jet airliner. I think I could tie a 25 lb money bag to me and pull right out the door and be OK.

Landing safely, surviving the night and evading capture is another story.

Amazon. We need your opinion too.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Orange,

I am trying to get us back to DB Cooper. Can you see the slow turn or is it just my imagination?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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If your not already jumped qualified Jerry

I actually have exited a plane and landed safely once. Does that make me jump qualified? You know that silver threshold by the door how it sticks up a little bit? Then clumsy me. When I hit the ground I skinned my knee and elbow.

We'll just call it an AFF level 1 pass. I've seen worse.

Ready for your next jump Vicki?

You really should try it. It is a life changing experience even if you only jump once.

Smart people dont need to play the same record over and over again, but we skydivers just like the song... a LOT.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I'm not so sure it would be that hard a jump Jerry. If you pulled right off the stairs you might start spinning when your body hit the airstream and a bag made you aymmetrical, but so what?

In about 3 seconds youd be hanging under a clean C9. Even if you spun up the lines a bit, rounds usually easy to untwist and many times if you just hang there the lines will untwist theselves.

If Cooper did a delayed opening then you are 100% right, it could be a nightmare spin, but if he knew about the CIA 727 junmps he'd just pull right off the stairs.

The MA1 and similar spring loaded pilot chutes in military bailout rigs launch pretty vigorously. I've jumped from a DC 9 jet airliner. I think I could tie a 25 lb money bag to me and pull right out the door and be OK.

Landing safely, surviving the night and evading capture is another story.

Amazon. We need your opinion too.

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Its good to see you guys talking
again. Just thot Id say it-

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Geoger. Still don't you think that the loose bag and low altitude along with the weather conditions would have made that jump imposible to have survived. There is one sure way to find out. That is One us duplicate that jump in the same conditions same time of year same location and same time of day. or as close as possible.The key word here is one not "us". So one would think that should be you. I'm not that brave any more or should I have said crazy.Jerry

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Geoger. Still don't you think that the loose bag and low altitude along with the weather conditions would have made that jump imposible to have survived. There is one sure way to find out. That is One us duplicate that jump in the same conditions same time of year same location and same time of day. or as close as possible.The key word here is one not "us". So one would think that should be you. I'm not that brave any more or should I have said crazy.Jerry

Jerry. I have huge faithe in skydivers.
As a group worldwide, skydivers have already
duplicated not only Cooper's jump, but every
other peremutation of Cooper's jump, multiple
times ... with various results. Think about this.

Cooper's jump never need to be duplicated.
Skydivers had already duplicated it many times,
under all kindsof conditions. From 1971 forward
skydivers would duplicate Cooper's jump more...

The net result is most skydivers survived, at
least I think stats show that result?

This is half the reason we are here - to discuss
such things.

It was good for the FBI and NWA to test 305
the next day. That test was specific and avoided
classified issues. But we (and they) already knew
the 727 had been used for jumps and cargo
drop deliveries many times, in the Vietnam theatre.
So there was no real mystery in the (Boeing)
knowledge base about the 727's capabilities.
Still it was good for the FBI to do their test. It
just confirmed what was already known...

Thats my answer pending new-better information.

Thanks for hanging in there. I know it hasnt
been fun. Get some sleep tonight. Shelly I will get to the bottom of what we talked
about. I already have a trip planned for March
... its on the calendar and will happen! I promise.

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Here is an idea Jerry. Lets get Amazon to do it. I wonder how much we'd have to raise? Maybe a TV show would foot the bill as such a show properly spun would have some audience appeal: DID HE SURVIVE? The DB COOPER JUMP, re-enacted.

I am sure I could do the jump OK even with a bag tied to me... but I am not at all confident about survival and egress in the winter. Snow is confident but I am not as young or tough as he is.

Doesnt really have to be a jet and that would keep the costs down. A Skyvan or a CASA 212 at full throttle with an open tailgate would be close enough and a hell of a lot cheaper than chartering a jet.

I really dont know what to believe about the ground survival issues. There was a BASE jumper a few years back who died overnight from hypothermia is FAR better conditions than Cooper faced. Jerry says Cooper faced deadly conditions but Snow and Amazon disagree. I just don't know.

I do think if Cooper pulled right off the steps, even with a 25 lb money bag and the resulting aerodynamic assymetry, he ended up under a good chute. After that I am really out of my area of expertise.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Geoger. Off the record I received a sugar test machine today and I tested a 296 do you think that machine is missed up. All of you may be interested in this info. Today the US Mint released for sale the 2011 Medal of Honor Commemorative Coin.This is the first of its kind.The proof silver dollar is $54.95 The $5 proof gold coin is $454.95.There buitifull coins.Any way only 350 thousand of these coins are being minted. If you want one call the US Mint.Jerry

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I do think if Cooper pulled right off the steps, even with a 25 lb money bag and the resulting aerodynamic assymetry, he ended up under a good chute. After that I am really out of my area of expertise.

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His instructions were to count to "one-thousand-ten" (ten seconds) and pull. I'm sure he followed those instructions.

Duane had had survival training in the service. "Wasn't bad, but I didn't like eating that xxxxx stuff."

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"Here is an idea Jerry. Lets get Amazon to do it. I wonder how much we'd have to raise? Maybe a TV show would foot the bill as such a show properly spun would have some audience appeal: DID HE SURVIVE? The DB COOPER JUMP, re-enacted."

McCoy already did it. Enough said.

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377 suggested:

“You’d do a lot better at a bowling alley on women’s league night than you ever would at a convent….”

I had never considered attending a woman’s bowling tourney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nxzzBXVJzs

Time to plan a trip to Fabulous Lancaster, Ohio, home of:

http://www.tikilanes.com/general_information.htm

That’s right, you’re not dreaming and did you see what credit cards they accept (last question)? Did you?

This place must be a cool magnet and I’m the refrigerator door.