DB Cooper

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did you see what credit cards they accept (last question)? Did you?

I did! If I had planned on using an American Express I would have been disappointed.

On a D.B. Cooper note, I was speaking with a lady at work today who was in the Navy in the early 50's. She remembers some of the veterans wearing parachutes and having minimal jump training when they were assigned to cargo loading.

Just a thought.

That is a page right of Larry Carr's book ... Im serious. Search here under
/cargo loader/.

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Here is the post Georger refers to:

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Intriguing that the profile targets loadmaster. There must be evidence or theories around that.

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/crime/2009/03/17/was_db_cooper_a_french-canadia.html

March 17, 2009 12:05 PM
Was D.B. Cooper a French-Canadian comic book hero?

Posted by John de Leon

Special Agent Larry Carr of the Seattle office of the FBI has developed some interesting theories in the case of the iconic skyjacker known as D.B. Cooper. Carr, who took over the case two years ago, believes it's possible Cooper took his name from the French-Canadian comic book character Dan Cooper. Carr says that's important because the books were never translated into English, and could mean he spent time overseas. This fits with Carr's theory that Cooper had been in the Air Force.

Carr has developed this profile of Cooper:

-- He served in the Air Force and at some point was stationed in Europe, where he may have become interested in the Dan Cooper comic books.

-- He worked as a cargo loader on planes, giving him knowledge and experience in the aviation industry, which was in its infancy in 1971.

-- Because his job required him to throw cargo out of planes, Cooper would have worn an emergency parachute in case he fell out. This would have provided him with working knowledge of parachutes but not necessarily the functional knowledge to survive the jump he made.

-- He may have come from the East Coast, but taken an aviation job in Seattle when he got out of the military. It's possible he lost his job during an economic downturn in the aviation industry in 1970-71. If he was a loner with little or no family, "nobody would have missed him" after he was gone.

To read more about the latest developments in the case, and to view a video, click http://www.fbi.gov/page2/march09/dbcooper031709.html

I am not sure what my Father's assignment was while he was in the Navy. But he was enlisted approximately 1943ish. I still am waiting for the Naval Training Certificate to be sent/scanned and emailed to me by my niece, but I am still waiting.......... The Navy responded back to my archive request and they cannot find a record of Melvin being in the Navy, that is with the limited information I have.

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It's possible he lost his job during an economic downturn in the aviation industry in 1970-71. If he was a loner with little or no family, "nobody would have missed him" after he was gone.

My Dad was missing two months prior to the hi-jacking. Again....it is hard to miss something that is already gone! If you want to say he lost his job....I guess that would be a clever way of putting it.

VW

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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If you watch the Unsolved Video....at 8:59 there is a copy of Melvin's Naval Certificate and his Naval pic.

I put them on a word document, but they are too big for DZ.

Jerry...I will e-mail to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpE1oyHWpG0

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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I hate to keep harping on the prison inmate smoke jumper issue - To err is human. I think you erred.

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Let's assume that Jerry DID mislead you about local geography. I don't know if he did or did not, but let's assume he did for the sake of this argument. It may have confused and angered you, and caused you to waste time, but the incident does nothing to prove that Duane was Cooper so why hammer away at it all the time?

I do not know if he did this deliberately or if Viet Nam screwed him up or if JT has been that way all of his life. If one drills you long enough - some personalities are weak and can be broken by the interogation to a certain degree. Only by the GRACE of Udell did I survive.

Will be really strange if JT comes up with something that belonged to Cooper - after I have left this world. When I was talking to him in the beginning he told me Cooper was WAY north and east of the location I described. Then on this thread he moves his search area to Washougal. You are an attorney - why would JT move his search area to that location?

Cooper (Duane Weber) landed north and east of Battleground. Jerry moved his area to Washougal...but then my trip this past Oct in 2011 - and driving it - only then did I realize the places where NOT close together, but spread out. Now I understand why my description didn't make sense to anyone when I was trying to compact it all into a much smaller area.

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All she did that week after the film crew left was get a map rent a car and drive around looking for things That she could make up new stories with.If you'll check her stories from day one they have changed and a lot of new info added as people gave her new ideas. She just tried to start a new one recently using some piece of jewelry she probably got off of eBay. Now this was a response.Jerry

YOU ain't nothin but a Hound Dog! Did you know Elvis left a long time ago.
YOU also know I have witnesses - 4 women (one who is deceased) and the undercover law enforcement officer. You know I didn't rent a car and drive myself around. That piece of jewelry has been here from day one...ask Sluggo?

This is the same crap I put up with on the phone for 4 yrs...constantly telling me that this was not here or there and that I was on The Columbian over and over and over. He not one time told me about Lake LaCames and if he did he neglected to tell me that body of water was the only body of water in the area that fit the description I gave him over and over and over.

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You are ALWAYS WRONG, Jerry. Everything you post is an untruth.
I understand your objective. It is a retarded approach with me. You are funny guy. I know where you get your marching orders, from Cap. You always have acted as his gopher, you are one in the same. I believe NOTHING you say, so no sense even posting. I have your number. If you say. "No!" The truth of the matter is probably, "Yes". It's the old dyslexia game again. You are just another Jamie Cooper TROLL. Only your claimed knowledge is less than Jamies. And I really believe that you might even know the truth, under all that flounder.

Bob, that's enough. You're taking a 4 week vacation.

Cya.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Thanks Vicki. Got the Info as a fote note Ive always searched the washougal area every since 1988. In 1989 I found some Items I thought may be part of the case I took these Items to the Richland Washington FBI office. It is a mater of record. He told me to contact Ralph.Ralph was already retired. The Agent called the Seattle Office to see if there was any one that could help me locate Ralph. Answer you guesed it. All I got was where he used to live. So a couple weeks later I was in portland looked in a phone book found a number called it and his daughter answered the phone . The rest is history. The Items were found In a Mine of the North Fork Of the washougal River. In 1996 Richard Seven from the Seattle Times did a news paper article on me. The story was on the front page with my picture standing in front of that same mine.The article also makes mention of that find at that mine.Now what does that sound like. No one gave me any Idea of where to search if anyone claims they have. Then they lied to benifit themselves or to make up a very far fetched story. Jerry

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McCoy was an experienced jumper. I've seen no evidence that Duane EVER made a jump.

Bet Jerry has NEVER seen this photo!

Remember the magazine that Duane left in a safe deposit box, the one I had NO knowledge of and the one in which he left only one thing. A 1994 Soldier of Fortune Magazine. The article that stood out was this Article and I bet Jerry doesn't even know about this.

So I will post 2 pictures.

Since JERRY is SO SURE COOPER could NOT jump with that bag - maybe he needs to see this and MAYBE he needs to read the article of DuBop 1967. The Day Nam Went Nuclear!

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did you see what credit cards they accept (last question)? Did you?

I did! If I had planned on using an American Express I would have been disappointed.

On a D.B. Cooper note, I was speaking with a lady at work today who was in the Navy in the early 50's. She remembers some of the veterans wearing parachutes and having minimal jump training when they were assigned to cargo loading.

Just a thought.

We have explored the Cargo Master before, but these guys have short memories. Maybe they are bending the elbow a little too much tonight - it is Friday. Hell, I don't know, all day Thursday I thought it was Friday - had a little spell during the night and it left me confuse most of the next day.

At any rate they know Duane was in the ARMY and that the FBI claimed Duane was NEVER in the Army. One of the mistakes the FBI made and I was holding the Army papers in my hands...with an entry date but NO discharge date. Strange how the FBI finally looked at that in 2000 and then created or got a discharge date.
Chemical Warfare - 3 months per the FBI .

He was in the Navy for several months, but don't remember all of this without pulling the files and just not up to that tonight.

He was also involved in something that went on near Canon City Prison in Co...1960 - as an inmate and for some time afterwards to approx 1964 - but the FBI won't look at this....This was one of the training grounds for some covert actions. Again I can't pull names out of my head tonight.

That episode the other night must have done some damage, because I am still in a fog.

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Bob. You forget Cap had brain damage and believed any thing you told him. Hell he let you talk to him thats proof enough and the both of you considered casper the friendly ghost as your best friend. Hows that working out for you anyway? Jerry

Bill R. was the co-pilot of the 727 and the Cap, Knoss refers to. The co-pilot did NOT and does not have a brain injury and I had a couple of conversation with him last summer. There was absolutely NO indication of brain damage.

Who told you that Bill had a Brain injury? NOT SO.

Jerry, You are repeating gossip and rumors....that is sad!

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Vicki,

Did you ever find your dad's ss# from his arrest records or military service and do a search of SS death index by ss #?

With his crimes involving forgery, it seems likely that he would use a fake ID and SS # once he jumped bail, ....but on the other hand, he was imprisoned and married twice under the same identity while committing more forgeries and counterfeiting - so maybe he stayed with what he knew.

Just wondering - couldn't remember if the ss# issue was ever resolved.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Here is the post Georger refers to:

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Intriguing that the profile targets loadmaster. There must be evidence or theories around that.

http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/crime/2009/03/17/was_db_cooper_a_french-canadia.html

March 17, 2009 12:05 PM
Was D.B. Cooper a French-Canadian comic book hero?

Posted by John de Leon

Special Agent Larry Carr of the Seattle office of the FBI has developed some interesting theories in the case of the iconic skyjacker known as D.B. Cooper. Carr, who took over the case two years ago, believes it's possible Cooper took his name from the French-Canadian comic book character Dan Cooper. Carr says that's important because the books were never translated into English, and could mean he spent time overseas. This fits with Carr's theory that Cooper had been in the Air Force.

Carr has developed this profile of Cooper:

-- He served in the Air Force and at some point was stationed in Europe, where he may have become interested in the Dan Cooper comic books.

-- He worked as a cargo loader on planes, giving him knowledge and experience in the aviation industry, which was in its infancy in 1971.

-- Because his job required him to throw cargo out of planes, Cooper would have worn an emergency parachute in case he fell out. This would have provided him with working knowledge of parachutes but not necessarily the functional knowledge to survive the jump he made.

-- He may have come from the East Coast, but taken an aviation job in Seattle when he got out of the military. It's possible he lost his job during an economic downturn in the aviation industry in 1970-71. If he was a loner with little or no family, "nobody would have missed him" after he was gone.

To read more about the latest developments in the case, and to view a video, click http://www.fbi.gov/page2/march09/dbcooper031709.html

I am not sure what my Father's assignment was while he was in the Navy. But he was enlisted approximately 1943ish. I still am waiting for the Naval Training Certificate to be sent/scanned and emailed to me by my niece, but I am still waiting.......... The Navy responded back to my archive request and they cannot find a record of Melvin being in the Navy, that is with the limited information I have.

EDIT: I also find this interesting:

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It's possible he lost his job during an economic downturn in the aviation industry in 1970-71. If he was a loner with little or no family, "nobody would have missed him" after he was gone.

My Dad was missing two months prior to the hi-jacking. Again....it is hard to miss something that is already gone! If you want to say he lost his job....I guess that would be a clever way of putting it.

VW

Good find. What Larry basically did
was compose several estimates of skills and
behavioral traits, and matched those against a
data bank of occupational titles which break down
into sets of skills & behavioral elements. (There
is an FBI class on this and there is a section of the
FBI which does nothing but process analytical work
like this, with a vast actuarial data base).

The core of the technique uses something called
the Dictionary of Occupational Titles, developed
first for use by the military at the beginning of
WWII and began being used by the US-DHHS
in the 1950s.

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McCoy was an experienced jumper. I've seen no evidence that Duane EVER made a jump.

Bet Jerry has NEVER seen this photo!

Remember the magazine that Duane left in a safe deposit box, the one I had NO knowledge of and the one in which he left only one thing. A 1994 Soldier of Fortune Magazine. The article that stood out was this Article and I bet Jerry doesn't even know about this.

So I will post 2 pictures.

Since JERRY is SO SURE COOPER could NOT jump with that bag - maybe he needs to see this and MAYBE he needs to read the article of DuBop 1967. The Day Nam Went Nuclear!

Jerry has seen these photos before. You seem to
forget. Jerry and other military people examined
these photos as per your 'teases and claims'.
Every person in the photos was identified.

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I think Duane was in the army, not the navy, but who really knows. At 200-80=120, not 170. Just going by Google information. Look it up.

Good grief Bob. You just keep digging a deeper hole. Your equation gives groundspeed not airspeed. If you think groundspeed has anything to do with opening shock or freefall stability you are woefully ignorant. You are out of your league on parachuting stuff. It's painfully obvious that you just make stuff up as you go. Stick to govt. conspiracies. You do OK there.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377. DTV's Radar indicates it may be snowing in your area is it. La looks like they may wake up to a we bit of white stuff.Natures snow not actors snow. What about you quade is it going to snow in your area. It just droped below zero here at my house at 10pm its 7degrees downtown Baker City Oregon.Strange weather across the nation.When it snows in key west Florida then we will be in trouble. Jerry

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Orange,

I am trying to get us back to DB Cooper. Can you see the slow turn or is it just my imagination?

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(sigh) you keep trying to argue logically with people who are not interested in rational, logical argument. all they want is for people to accept their irrational, illogical proposition. your intentions as always are noble... but so far i don't see much turn

I'd love to see more work done researching Vicki's dad.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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377. DTV's Radar indicates it may be snowing in your area is it. La looks like they may wake up to a we bit of white stuff.Natures snow not actors snow. What about you quade is it going to snow in your area. It just droped below zero here at my house at 10pm its 7degrees downtown Baker City Oregon.Strange weather across the nation.When it snows in key west Florida then we will be in trouble. Jerry

I see the radar too, but no snow in the flatlands yet. Snowmman may be doing weather modification. He has numerous towers with huge antennas fed by very powerful transmitters. It's allegedly all for ham radio but I wonder. I can talk around the world on a small rooftop antenna that Snow designed and built. Why does he keep putting up more huge antennas?

My kid lives in China. The govt there has major weather modification programs. Farms in the areas around Beijing have govt supplied cannons and silver iodide shells. The govt issues automated cell phone calls to the farmers when they want them to fire into clouds to create nucleation sites for raindrops. The cannons are welded so that they can only fire vertically. Those officials don't want to give a bunch of peasant farmers artillery that could be used to target the govt.

Vicki, do you have any hair strands from your Dad or anything that might be used for a DNA sample? Old hairbrushes are good sources if any of his are still around.

I really doubt the reliability of the FBIs Cooper tie DNA, but they seem very confident about the tie evidence. They must know something I don't. They are not idiots.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Bet Blevins exit wasn't as he represented it. I think Gayla finished the accounting, saw how much money AB had lost on all things Cooper and put parental Internet access controls on his computers preventing access to dropzone.com. She understands male pride and let him make that last post to give the impression that it's all voluntary and under his control.

It's OK Robert. We understand. If you get a chance to use the computers at the public library say hello once in a while.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377 He'll be back with a new book.Jerry

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McCoy was an experienced jumper. I've seen no evidence that Duane EVER made a jump.

Bet Jerry has NEVER seen this photo!

Remember the magazine that Duane left in a safe deposit box, the one I had NO knowledge of and the one in which he left only one thing. A 1994 Soldier of Fortune Magazine. The article that stood out was this Article and I bet Jerry doesn't even know about this.

So I will post 2 pictures.

Since JERRY is SO SURE COOPER could NOT jump with that bag - maybe he needs to see this and MAYBE he needs to read the article of DuBop 1967. The Day Nam Went Nuclear!

Jerry has seen these photos before. You seem to
forget. Jerry and other military people examined
these photos as per your 'teases and claims'.
Every person in the photos was identified.

NO ONE ever told me their Identites. When and where did this happen. Name them as the appear in the photo. I only knew who 2 of them where.

If Jerry said you couldn't jump with 21 lbs - does he know these guy carried almost 3 times that - What was it 58lbs to 65lbs.

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McCoy was an experienced jumper. I've seen no evidence that Duane EVER made a jump.

Bet Jerry has NEVER seen this photo!

Remember the magazine that Duane left in a safe deposit box, the one I had NO knowledge of and the one in which he left only one thing. A 1994 Soldier of Fortune Magazine. The article that stood out was this Article and I bet Jerry doesn't even know about this.

So I will post 2 pictures.

Since JERRY is SO SURE COOPER could NOT jump with that bag - maybe he needs to see this and MAYBE he needs to read the article of DuBop 1967. The Day Nam Went Nuclear!

Jerry has seen these photos before. You seem to
forget. Jerry and other military people examined
these photos as per your 'teases and claims'.
Every person in the photos was identified.

NO ONE ever told me their Identites. When and where did this happen. Name them as the appear in the photo. I only knew who 2 of them where.

If Jerry said you couldn't jump with 21 lbs - does he know these guy carried almost 3 times that - What was it 58lbs to 65lbs.

No one is under any obligation to TELL YOU
their identities. Do you own research on your own
nickle?

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Vicki,

Did you ever find your dad's ss# from his arrest records or military service and do a search of SS death index by ss #?

No. Nobody has his SS#. I did FOIA requests with FBI, US Marshal and Military Archives. I received the canned response of - Information cannot be released without a Death Certificate.

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Vicki, do you have any hair strands from your Dad or anything that might be used for a DNA sample? Old hairbrushes are good sources if any of his are still around.

My brother may have a letter our Father wrote to him from 1971. He recalls it may be in an envelope, but does not know if it was sealed. He thinks it is in storage in his lower level, but is just not sure exactly where. I do not recall having anything he may have left and my Mom tossed his personal belongings ofter he left.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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Vicki was able the break the code through her powers of observation. I wonder if anyone else took their eyes off the ball and what the reason could have possibly been.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PUZyDycj1M&feature=related

Fortunately real life is not filled with such distractions or individuals possessing asymmetric intentions or goals. Everything will turn out just fine as long as you do your own ‘homework’.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjuVvluaPEI&feature=related

This is a society where everyone takes and abuses extremely high titles in the most banal ways. Credit cards begin at silver rather than tin or antimony. There are no ‘Pauper-sized’ beds or restaurants called ‘Burger Peasant’ or ‘Dairy Serf’, this is America and we are all winners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xxQs34UMx4

It is for that very reason that everyone should take some time to enjoy the products of our gross national kitsch. Be it through Googie architecture or ‘Lesbian Alien, Disco-Tiki, Night’ bowling.

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Vicki back when your father was in the service they were Identified by service number not SSN numbers. They were given these #s when they enlisted for obvious reasons. Jerry

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This is the reason for wanting a copy of that certificate. Just playing the waiting game. Until I get it the military can not find his records as I do not have anything but his name and birthdate.

Vicki

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs