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Georger, you teased about the tie and we will not just let that go. What do you know and when did you know it? Inquiring minds want to know.
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You're a smart guy. Where did Cooper travel
on that airplane with his tie on ? When did he take
the tie off? Where did he place the tie? Where had
he been with the tie on from the time he first
appeared_at the airport? Whre had the tie been
before that? And: What did he do in the bathroom
with his tie on_or off?
You people have been spinning your wheels for
three years here . . .
Do I really have to spell this out!?
Why are you being so coy about what has been
100% obvious for 37+ years?
In addition, you need to take what I said about
FBI reporting protocols _very seriously. It took me
some time to back up and come up to speed with
this, until someone mentioned it. But, it is crucial
to an historical understanding of this case, I think.
People were managing this case and making
decisions based on reports they were receiving.
This goes straight into the evidentiary file in this
case. You cannot build a vita of this case without
coming to understand how (and why) the system
worked as it did - early. And the "system" is people.
People making decisions at many different levels in
different places. That IS the historical record. . .
Safecracking could have a field day with this!
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Yes, you need to spell it out. I am so acclimated to wheel spinning that I dont know how to get traction any more.
Tom did once tell me that ties are the one article of clothing that you never wash. I've seen a few jumpsuits that might be an exception to that rule.
So the tie has something on it from Cooper's life, but what?
I loved to play with my kids when they were babies, always gave then a hug and kiss goodbye before I left for work. So I am in federal court, my case is called for a motion hearing. The judge, a kindly old woman, says "Counsel, do you have a young baby at home?" "Why yes, I do you honor", I replied. She said, "I am going to take a very brief recess as I have a call to make and you need to wipe your baby's little burp up mess off your tie."
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Tom did once tell me that ties are the one article of clothing that you never wash. I've seen a few jumpsuits that might be an exception to that rule.
So the tie has something on it from Cooper's life, but what?
I loved to play with my kids when they were babies, always gave then a hug and kiss goodbye before I left for work. So I am in federal court, my case is called for a motion hearing. The judge, a kindly old woman, says "Counsel, do you have a young baby at home?" "Why yes, I do you honor", I replied. She said, "I am going to take a very brief recess as I have a call to make and you need to wipe your baby's little burp up mess off your tie."
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georger 247
I loved to play with my kids when they were babies, always gave then a hug and kiss goodbye before I left for work. So I am in federal court, my case is called for a motion hearing. The judge, a kindly old woman, says "Counsel, do you have a young baby at home?" "Why yes, I do you honor", I replied. She said, "I am going to take a very brief recess as I have a call to make and you need to wipe your baby's little burp up mess off your tie."
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precisely. swab the chutes and cut lines also.
I am not going to say anything further about
cigarette buts just to get Jo off my back. But
swabs from other items of evidence might be in
order to.
Hell let's just do a full chemsitry workup on
everything! That is my recommendation.
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You're a smart guy.
Thank you Georger. I return the compliment.
Where did Cooper travel
on that airplane with his tie on ?
Not certain, along the aisle, around his seat, maybe in the restroom.
When did he take
the tie off?
Not certain, probably before he stated messing with the chutes. Certainly before he exited.
Where did he place the tie?
On the seat back in front of where he sat.
Where had
he been with the tie on from the time he first
appeared_at the airport?
Who knows? JC Pennys, his home, his job, perhaps church, his boarding location.
Where had the tie been
before that?
Not sure.
And: What did he do in the bathroom
with his tie on_or off?
That remains a puzzler. I'd like to think he checked his walkie talkie, got out his jump boots, rope and carabiners. Maybe he removed contact lenses or took a wig off.
You people have been spinning your wheels for
three years here . . .
Anything that starts with "you people" is suspect.
I've admitted spinning my wheels. I have a 409 mill but no positraction rear end.
Do I really have to spell this out!?
Yes, I am afraid you do.
Why are you being so coy about what has been
100% obvious for 37+ years?
May be obvious to you but not to me. I am not being coy. my bewilderment in genuine. I am willing to take a polygraph on that point.
In addition, you need to take what I said about
FBI reporting protocols _very seriously. It took me
some time to back up and come up to speed with
this, until someone mentioned it. But, it is crucial
to an historical understanding of this case, I think.
People were managing this case and making
decisions based on reports they were receiving.
This goes straight into the evidentiary file in this
case. You cannot build a vita of this case without
coming to understand how (and why) the system
worked as it did - early. And the "system" is people.
People making decisions at many different levels in
different places. That IS the historical record. . .
well, I've gathered from several diverse sources, that for some reason the FBI only reports positive not negative findings or something like that. Could that be true? Are they that dumb? I doubt it.
Safecracking could have a field day with this
Indeed and I hope he does.
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Thank you Georger. I return the compliment.
Where did Cooper travel
on that airplane with his tie on ?
Not certain, along the aisle, around his seat, maybe in the restroom.
When did he take
the tie off?
Not certain, probably before he stated messing with the chutes. Certainly before he exited.
Where did he place the tie?
On the seat back in front of where he sat.
Where had
he been with the tie on from the time he first
appeared_at the airport?
Who knows? JC Pennys, his home, his job, perhaps church, his boarding location.
Where had the tie been
before that?
Not sure.
And: What did he do in the bathroom
with his tie on_or off?
That remains a puzzler. I'd like to think he checked his walkie talkie, got out his jump boots, rope and carabiners. Maybe he removed contact lenses or took a wig off.
You people have been spinning your wheels for
three years here . . .
Anything that starts with "you people" is suspect.
I've admitted spinning my wheels. I have a 409 mill but no positraction rear end.
Do I really have to spell this out!?
Yes, I am afraid you do.
Why are you being so coy about what has been
100% obvious for 37+ years?
May be obvious to you but not to me. I am not being coy. my bewilderment in genuine. I am willing to take a polygraph on that point.
In addition, you need to take what I said about
FBI reporting protocols _very seriously. It took me
some time to back up and come up to speed with
this, until someone mentioned it. But, it is crucial
to an historical understanding of this case, I think.
People were managing this case and making
decisions based on reports they were receiving.
This goes straight into the evidentiary file in this
case. You cannot build a vita of this case without
coming to understand how (and why) the system
worked as it did - early. And the "system" is people.
People making decisions at many different levels in
different places. That IS the historical record. . .
well, I've gathered from several diverse sources, that for some reason the FBI only reports positive not negative findings or something like that. Could that be true? Are they that dumb? I doubt it.
Safecracking could have a field day with this
Indeed and I hope he does.
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QuoteHell let's just do a full chemsitry workup on everything!
Great idea. We should focus INTENSELY on real Cooper evidence. We know he smoked some cigs, drank from a glass, opened a rig, cut some suspension lines, etc etc. If the tie is his it could have some traces of material that could help ID him.
The money should be analysed to the ends of the Earth too.
Its nuts to spend so much time speculating about hypotheticals. We have some real tangible evidence linked tio Cooper and I agree that it needs to be the subject of exhaustive analysis.
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Farflung 0
When the ‘Dude’ wanted to know what the ‘Man’ was doing to find those that violated his ’73 Ford Torino, he was offered these encouraging words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9CynvMlFyo&feature=related
Now they don’t teach this in school, but sometimes a crime gets wicked low priorities. That is why one can often observe some guberment lackey’s talking head on the flat screen jabbering about ‘finite resources’ like they invented the phrase. Attention Earth: All resources are finite.
Or when asked about a suspect like Michael Skakel, they will throw down the ‘presumption of innocence’ card before rolling out the devastatingly brilliant and still unique “Masturbating in a Tree” defense.
So with the above to guide my expectations in life, the thought that Cooper’s potential DNA may languish in some file cabinet is not all that vexing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9CynvMlFyo&feature=related
Now they don’t teach this in school, but sometimes a crime gets wicked low priorities. That is why one can often observe some guberment lackey’s talking head on the flat screen jabbering about ‘finite resources’ like they invented the phrase. Attention Earth: All resources are finite.
Or when asked about a suspect like Michael Skakel, they will throw down the ‘presumption of innocence’ card before rolling out the devastatingly brilliant and still unique “Masturbating in a Tree” defense.
So with the above to guide my expectations in life, the thought that Cooper’s potential DNA may languish in some file cabinet is not all that vexing.
FYI
Skyjack: The Hunt for D. B. Cooper
Written by Geoffrey Gray
Hardcover
$25.00
On Sale: August 09, 2011
Pages: 352 | ISBN: 978-0-307-45129-3
Random House Audio Unabridged Compact Disc
$35.00
On Sale: August 09, 2011
ISBN: 978-0-307-73579-9
Unabridged Audiobook Download
$20.00
On Sale: August 09, 2011
ISBN: 978-0-307-73580-5
Download from: Audible.com; eMusic; iTunes; Borders; & Simply Audiobooks
More Info:
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Skyjack: The Hunt for D. B. Cooper
Written by Geoffrey Gray
Hardcover
$25.00
On Sale: August 09, 2011
Pages: 352 | ISBN: 978-0-307-45129-3
Random House Audio Unabridged Compact Disc
$35.00
On Sale: August 09, 2011
ISBN: 978-0-307-73579-9
Unabridged Audiobook Download
$20.00
On Sale: August 09, 2011
ISBN: 978-0-307-73580-5
Download from: Audible.com; eMusic; iTunes; Borders; & Simply Audiobooks
More Info:
Skyjack: The Hunt for D. B. Cooper
Web Page
Blog
NORJAK Forum
georger 247
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FYI
Skyjack: The Hunt for D. B. Cooper
Written by Geoffrey Gray
Hardcover
$25.00
On Sale: August 09, 2011
Pages: 352 | ISBN: 978-0-307-45129-3
Random House Audio Unabridged Compact Disc
$35.00
On Sale: August 09, 2011
ISBN: 978-0-307-73579-9
Unabridged Audiobook Download
$20.00
On Sale: August 09, 2011
ISBN: 978-0-307-73580-5
Download from: Audible.com; eMusic; iTunes; Borders; & Simply Audiobooks
More Info:
Skyjack: The Hunt for D. B. Cooper
Whew! Saved by the book fairy!
A review a day: The Further Adventures of D. B. Cooper
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/09/24/a-review-a-day-james-heffrons-comics/
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Well, looks like I may have been wrong in my prediction that nobody wold make any serious money off of DBC. The early book reviews from credible authors look promising, but who knows how those kudos are arranged.
I am totally out of touch with Gray. Who does he think DBC was?
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I am totally out of touch with Gray. Who does he think DBC was?
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QuoteWell, looks like I may have been wrong in my prediction that nobody wold make any serious money off of DBC. The early book reviews from credible authors look promising, but who knows how those kudos are arranged.
I am totally out of touch with Gray. Who does he think DBC was?
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Me too.
And I echo your response to Georger re the tie issue... come on Georger, pretend it's elementary school and not graduate school - spoonfeed us
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
georger 247
QuoteQuoteWell, looks like I may have been wrong in my prediction that nobody wold make any serious money off of DBC. The early book reviews from credible authors look promising, but who knows how those kudos are arranged.
I am totally out of touch with Gray. Who does he think DBC was?
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Me too.
And I echo your response to Georger re the tie issue... come on Georger, pretend it's elementary school and not graduate school - spoonfeed us
Ok. But later. Its busy right now. Im surprised Im
having to do this ... much has already been said
previously on this topic in this thread, but I can go
over it again - no problem just a bit later.
As to Geof: so far as I know he does not endorse
any candidate and was more interested in the
history of the investigation ... but that is just my
reading and certainly NOT AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT.
later.
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I’m a pattern recognition kinda guy and not the most ‘book learned smart’ person you are likely to meet. Therefore I tuned into what I thought was a common theme the reviewers mentioned about the ‘DB Cooper’ book.
Now perhaps this is an ‘in depth’ (you can’t overuse that phrase) study from an objective source with some research and writing skills where the primary subject is DB Cooper. I just didn’t get that from reading the reviews anymore than I got the feeling that anyone is going to be ‘endorsed’ as the ‘World’s Tallest Midget’ regarding a Cooper solution.
Nope, but then; I could be wrong.
Now perhaps this is an ‘in depth’ (you can’t overuse that phrase) study from an objective source with some research and writing skills where the primary subject is DB Cooper. I just didn’t get that from reading the reviews anymore than I got the feeling that anyone is going to be ‘endorsed’ as the ‘World’s Tallest Midget’ regarding a Cooper solution.
Nope, but then; I could be wrong.
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Keep those posters coming Farflung. I've got a few of the better ones held up with refrigerator magnets.
You've strayed from lesbians and nuns though. Is there a reason?
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You've strayed from lesbians and nuns though. Is there a reason?
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
I am totally out of touch with Gray. Who does he think DBC was?
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Me too.
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Me three. The last time I spoke with Geoff - Ariel, '08 - he said that he didn't think Kenny was Danny Boy. Nor Barb, even though he extensively researched her.
Geoff, kind of, has indicated to me that his book is now a more comprehensive cultural, over view than a suspect selection-type-of-thing, which is where I'm heading, too. Last we talked on the phone, he was asking for references to libraries in Cooper Country and looking for "colorful" stories from locals.
Getting copious amounts of information out of Geoff is about as tough as finding Tina or discovering the identity of what's his name? - ya know the guy who jumped out of a plane in the rain. But not in Spain, but on the way to good ol' Mey-he-co.
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Vicki has gone silent.
What's the latest Vicki?
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What's the latest Vicki?
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QuoteWell, looks like I may have been wrong in my prediction that nobody wold make any serious money off of DBC. The early book reviews from credible authors look promising, but who knows how those kudos are arranged.
I am totally out of touch with Gray. Who does he think DBC was?
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Gray is actually Jo under an assumed name
So she believes it is Weber. 
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.
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377 pondered:
“You’ve strayed from lesbians and nuns though. Is there a reason?”
I suppose one may consider the introduction of a re-education program today as a reason along with serving as a blazingly incontrovertible testament to the fact, that nuns and lesbians remain firmly fixed as an offset aim point in my personal bomb run of compassion and caring. I just give and give.
It is a program officially called “Ten I’s to See” or better known in a ‘Silicon Valley-esque’ version of 10-IC. This voluntary process begins with the induction of individuals (read hot nuns) to this revolutionary concept. This may be too complex for some to comprehend which is why I’m the only faculty member and also why I selected a remote location away from the distraction of phones, roads and several vague laws.
In celebration of the Ten I’s, I have declared today’s date be changed from the first to the Eye of April. Beware the Eye of April.
“You’ve strayed from lesbians and nuns though. Is there a reason?”
I suppose one may consider the introduction of a re-education program today as a reason along with serving as a blazingly incontrovertible testament to the fact, that nuns and lesbians remain firmly fixed as an offset aim point in my personal bomb run of compassion and caring. I just give and give.
It is a program officially called “Ten I’s to See” or better known in a ‘Silicon Valley-esque’ version of 10-IC. This voluntary process begins with the induction of individuals (read hot nuns) to this revolutionary concept. This may be too complex for some to comprehend which is why I’m the only faculty member and also why I selected a remote location away from the distraction of phones, roads and several vague laws.
In celebration of the Ten I’s, I have declared today’s date be changed from the first to the Eye of April. Beware the Eye of April.
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This post is from Bob and Jane. The report of Bruce is almost correct and I would like to make some corrections: I was not a Mechanical Engineer at Boeing but had my degree in Electrical Engineering. When Dan (short for Sheridan and easy to remember) was with us for one month, it was before the 727 was delivered. In fact, the first flight was one to two years later. However, Avation Week had the info about the Aft Airstair that Dan was asking me about. We had been working with Lufthansa for an order when the 737 came into being, for an Aft Airstair (but out the aft starboard side). Dan was only interested in the 727. Bruce quoted us as giving Sheridan's whole name. We only knew him by Sheridan Peterson. He went on to be the Operator of the Bubbleator not the emcee as Bruce reported. We saw Dan in his space suit and in the Bubbleator doing his job there. I told FBI Agent White that I knew why he was asking about Sheridan, that he did the Skyjack, looks just like the sketch, had olive skin color, and was very calm cool and collected. The Agent said "yes, he is one of our suspects". The FBI were looking at all Smoke Jumpers and Dan was just one of the group.
Ckret hasnt responded and neither has Tom. Both read this forum. I dont have enough TV exposure perhaps. Larry and Tom had a lot. I should have tried to get a spot on Blevins Decoded episode.
I know zero about DNA, PCR etc, but I am tight wioth some folks who can definitely do the job.
Georger, you teased about the tie and we will not just let that go. What do you know and when did you know it? Inquiring minds want to know.
I could use another dose of Farflung humor. He is probably too busy with that new job as night watchman at the Convent.
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