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With all due respect I think this line of reasoning is ridiculous. I just don't see anyone's livelihood or privacy being overtly affected by the legitimate particulars of this 40 yr old case unless they want it to be.



I think it is a matter of privacy for a couple of them - who do NOT want to be contacted by anyone and that includes the media and the FBI.

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As far as the FBI questioning old witnesses, I don't see why they should hesitate to question someone if they thought there was any reason to

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I think the new FBI if they have not already spoke with the living witnesses should UPDATE the interviews if they have not already done so. No one is getting any younger.


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The Anglin brothers teamed up with one Frank Morris to escape from Alcatraz around 1962. BTW....they were never found either and some people think at least one of em made it.

Hmmmmm...Frank Morris (apparently the brains of the bunch) was around 35 yrs old in 1962...lets see he would have been about 44-45 in 1971. You know they also met in an Atlanta prison. Shoot,... I think I might be on to something. ;):)



Hmmmmm that sounds amazingly like Florence's response when she ID'd suspects.
Seriously find some pictures of these guys and the stories - sounds like a possibility. Right age and I haven't heard anything in the media about these guys in yrs. Let's get a picture up on the forum...curiosity killed the cat and solved a few crimes.
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http://www.alcatrazhistory.com/alcesc1.htm

and another...........oops he has been found, but did not confess to be Cooper.


http://mafiatoday.com/general-breaking-news/breaking-news-frank-morris-alcatraz-escapee-found-living-in-ireland/
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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lol...I saw this hoax a while ago. Someone's playing on the internet again. Folks just can't resist having fun with old mysteries. :)
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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I understand the reluctance of the FBI not to re-interview the witnesses, but it has been rumored within the last yr - certain witnesses have been re-nterviewed. The lively hood and privacy of individuals is what you are over looking...but to come to a conclusion after 40 yrs...the FBI needs to do these interview if they have NOT already done so.



With all due respect I think this line of reasoning is ridiculous. I just don't see anyone's livelihood or privacy being overtly affected by the legitimate particulars of this 40 yr old case unless they want it to be. Those that don't seek it out may be inconvenienced, might even feel harassed by some, but except for that, seems that those people that get dragged into this case appear to either have nothing to hide or they could give a rat's tail about it or they get a little kick out of seeing their name in print.



It sounds good in theory. In practice it can be a
whole other bag of worms - not to mention some
people are just plain paranoid in the first place
(especially these days).

Here's a concrete example. (keep in mind I have
no position of authority at all. I have to hope people
will talk and if they won't there is nothing I can do
except demur as politely as possible. I have to try
and protect everyone in the whole transaction
including myself, and some information I must keep
private or I risk complications which would undermine
the very privacy Im seeking to preserve. It is a very
sticky business at times. While I enjoy talking to
people, sometimes it does backfire with unintended
consequences, especially when the topic shift to ...
DB Cooper. The mere mention of Cooper tends to
set sterotypes spinning, especially with people in the
State of Washington.)

A potentially valuable witness died in 1997. My task
is to find close associates of that person who will
talk freely. It takes forever to identify one such
person with whom, the original witness 'might have'
confided. I finally work up the courage to call that
person and no sooner do I identify myself the
subject retorts, "Oh! You are related to THAT side
of the family." and the lady hangs up.

A series of calls follows from me to people who
might be able to explain (untangle) exactly what the
lady is referring to. After three long weeks of
screwing around it turns out there was some secret
prior marraige' which my witness thinks I am related
through (but I'm not!), so I call the woman back and
make a fumbling attempt to coinvince her, "No.
I'm not related to 4th degree Aunt Maggie. I'm call
about Margie who you knew before she died in
1997".

My potemtial witness replies, "Well let me talk to
my husband about this before I say anything".
The next day I get this (secret) phone with someone
I cant even identify saying: "If you are who you say
you are call Harry and he will talk to you". But I have
no idea who Harry is! WHO IN HELL IS HARRY?

That was two months ago and I'm still sitting
here scratching my head wondering what to do next,
or if this issue is even worth the monumental effort
I'm having to expend just to get to some body to
call me back anonymously saying, "Call Harry if you
want to know about Aunt Edith!

HARRY WHO !?

And this can happen over and over again ...

It's no wonder it took Blevins 2 years to nail down
just the few suppositions he relies on, if he
encountered anything like I have encountered,
almost routinely. Interviewing can be exceedingly
difficult.

I hate interviewing people!

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...My potemtial witness replies, "Well let me talk to
my husband about this before I say anything".
The next day I get this (secret) phone with someone
I cant even identify saying: "If you are who you say
you are call Harry and he will talk to you". But I have
no idea who Harry is! WHO IN HELL IS HARRY?

That was two months ago and I'm still sitting
here scratching my head wondering what to do next,
or if this issue is even worth the monumental effort
I'm having to expend just to get to some body to
call me back anonymously saying, "Call Harry if you
want to know about Aunt Edith!

HARRY WHO !?

And this can happen over and over again ...

It's no wonder it took Blevins 2 years to nail down
just the few suppositions he relies on, if he
encountered anything like I have encountered,
almost routinely. Interviewing can be exceedingly
difficult.

I hate interviewing people!



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I empathize, G.

Going back a few posts or so, do you have any names or specifics on who did what from the Vancouver FBI office on the evidence retrieval down at Tina's Bar? It sounds like you have a very comprehensive grasp on the subject.

On a somewhat related part of the case, do you know what Tina was doing across the river in Gresham at this time - or just before? Do you have any information on why Tina left the area, and did the money find have anything to do with her departure? Any wacky rumors from that wonderfully loquacious family of yours?

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It sounds good in theory. In practice it can be a
whole other bag of worms - not to mention some
people are just plain paranoid in the first place
(especially these days).

Here's a concrete example. (keep in mind I have
no position of authority at all. I have to hope people
will talk and if they won't there is nothing I can do
except demur as politely as possible. I have to try
and protect everyone in the whole transaction
including myself, and some information I must keep
private or I risk complications which would undermine
the very privacy Im seeking to preserve. It is a very
sticky business at times. While I enjoy talking to
people, sometimes it does backfire with unintended
consequences, especially when the topic shift to ...
DB Cooper. The mere mention of Cooper tends to
set sterotypes spinning, especially with people in the
State of Washington.)

A potentially valuable witness died in 1997. My task
is to find close associates of that person who will
talk freely. It takes forever to identify one such
person with whom, the original witness 'might have'
confided. I finally work up the courage to call that
person and no sooner do I identify myself the
subject retorts, "Oh! You are related to THAT side
of the family." and the lady hangs up.

A series of calls follows from me to people who
might be able to explain (untangle) exactly what the
lady is referring to. After three long weeks of
screwing around it turns out there was some secret
prior marraige' which my witness thinks I am related
through (but I'm not!), so I call the woman back and
make a fumbling attempt to coinvince her, "No.
I'm not related to 4th degree Aunt Maggie. I'm call
about Margie who you knew before she died in
1997".

My potemtial witness replies, "Well let me talk to
my husband about this before I say anything".
The next day I get this (secret) phone with someone
I cant even identify saying: "If you are who you say
you are call Harry and he will talk to you". But I have
no idea who Harry is! WHO IN HELL IS HARRY?

That was two months ago and I'm still sitting
here scratching my head wondering what to do next,
or if this issue is even worth the monumental effort
I'm having to expend just to get to some body to
call me back anonymously saying, "Call Harry if you
want to know about Aunt Edith!

HARRY WHO !?

And this can happen over and over again ...

It's no wonder it took Blevins 2 years to nail down
just the few suppositions he relies on, if he
encountered anything like I have encountered,
almost routinely. Interviewing can be exceedingly
difficult.

I hate interviewing people!



Who wrote that post Georger - it does NOT sound anything like you? Harry used to live in Castle Rock, Colorado.:ph34r: Another similar name lives in MO. How many Harry's are there - too many?

The small towns are the worse to snoop around in - like Biggs and Rufus and Hood River. The Dalles was no problem at all except I was there when they were preparing for Voting - certain places where closed. I just didn't mention Cooper most times. I was just looking for someone who might remember the Boy in the pictures and / or his family - not using any pics Cooper related or Duane as an older person.

I had pictures of Cooper in the back part of the book along with pictures of Duane as an older person, but those were only used 2 or 3 times while I was in WA and OR.

Goldendale was loaded with nice people, but no one who was able to relate much. Just wish I had made it to Spokane and Coure d' Alene and some even smaller places around there.

I needed to get to Bend, OR but there was just too much to do and I was only good for about 5 hours a day. Ate a lot of meals at the Senior Centers as this was where it was easier to find seniors in groups of the right age category.
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I empathize, G.

Going back a few posts or so, do you have any names or specifics on who did what from the Vancouver FBI office on the evidence retrieval down at Tina's Bar? It sounds like you have a very comprehensive grasp on the subject.

On a somewhat related part of the case, do you know what Tina was doing across the river in Gresham at this time - or just before? Do you have any information on why Tina left the area, and did the money find have anything to do with her departure? Any wacky rumors from that wonderfully loquacious family of yours?



and I sympathise Bruce. Im a rat saying this to you
in particular because very early you helped me out
with one lead and I have yet to pay you back with
something worthwhile. I owe you. That said I still
must demur. I gave you a few hints along the way
that were worthwhile. Maybe we can discuss this in
PMs? Its your call ... but I recognise my debt to you.

As for the 'Tina was in Rome the day before the
discovery' story. I know the tale Its been repeated
here several times. Im surprised Blevins didnt make
hay out of that - actually expected he would? Oh
well. All I will say is "correlation is not causation"
especially in this particular instance. Tina might as
well have been on Saturn in terms of the money
at Tina Bar. That is my (and other people's) firm
opinion. who have studied the matter.

PM me and we will discuss more. Have a good
holiday. Convince Blevins he is on the wrong
track and has omitted vital social facts! Read
Farflung's post(s) and take them seriously.

Thanks. ;)
G.

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On a somewhat related part of the case, do you know what Tina was doing across the river in Gresham at this time - or just before? Do you have any information on why Tina left the area, and did the money find have anything to do with her departure? Any wacky rumors from that wonderfully loquacious family of yours?



I myself along with Doug Pasternak found numbers for the name I was looking for Tina under yrs and yrs ago. All of this during the time the FBI was supposedly investigating...pre 1998. We found 2 numbers but neither of them panned out and Mr. Himmelsbach said she had never lived in those areas, but recently I have learned that one of those number may have been a contact number for her.

The first one I called the people had been there for a while and the second one was a business of sorts, but now I know may have been connected to Tina. I did later make contact with her, but in an altogether different location. She moved out of the Gresham area right after the money find if the information was indeed her contact number. Himmelsbach denied any knowledge of this back many yrs ago and said he had never interviewed her. Strangely enough - Gresham was part of the area Duane talked about on our way to Tahoe. This haunted me then and still does.

Himmelsbach and I had talked about this in 1998 and I have recently asked him about this only to get the same answer I got 13 yrs ago. "I never interviewed Tina" and denied any knowledge of her location in 1980. The records we found where 1979 and 1980.

Recently others have found this same information with the search criterior we used. I believe Tina was in Gresham in 1980 when the money was found. In those early yrs of my search I decided it was just someone with the same initials and last name since the phone belonged to a business. Also Himmelsbach had denied her existence in the area.

I just filed all of that away in my logs with all of the other stuff until recent knowledge someone else found the same thing we did...and was able to do even more indept research than I was capable of doing in 1998.

I asked Mr. Himmelsbach if her home was broke into and if that was why she fled Gresham - but then again he denied her existence in the area and told me again he had never interviewed her. Later the ex-wife told me she worked for a credit card company in the same county and state Tina obtained her divorce while living with her sister. Again my mind went click click click and I was sure the ex and Duane had stayed intouch with each other...that was theory just from my conversations with her after Duane died and after I was able to locate her. It took me a long time to win her confidence after the FBI paid her a visit.

When I remarried in 2002 I refused to give her my phone number and address, but did contact her on a regular basis. (She had been a heavy drinker and would call me at mid-night her time which was 2 AM my time and I was working back then) and my husband would never have tolerated the 2 AM phone calls.

The last time I talked to her she begged me for my address as she had something to send me.
Two months later I call and she had died 2 hours before...the nurse I got on the phone was the one with her when she died.
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One of Ed Huran (who ever he was) and the 2 Anglin brother, West the one who stayed behind and the brains. I can't get these pics to load. Can anyone compare the 2 brothers against this Ed Huran?

Too late and my medication is kicking in. I couldn't read the profiles to see the height on the 2 brothers, but seems like they have BLUE eyes....just never give up trying to find that blue eyed ED - the key to Duane's past, who ever he was.
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I never interviewed Tina's ex husband. I don't know what you are talking about.



She's talking about a post you made identifying Tina's ex where you subsequently realized you erred and retracted. Who knows why that is relevant.

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Re: Tom Kaye:
Remember... Those that are talking don't know and those that know aren't talking.



Sluggo - This is the part that I don't get. I mean why? It's a 40 year old case, the perpetrator is either dead or an eighty-ish year old man, the remaining money is probably gone forever in whatever form. Regardless of all this, it's seems likely to be largely unprosecutable (or at least non-convictable) anyway.

I get that the FBI doesn't like this case going down as unsolved, but frankly, the majority of people paying 4 - 5$ a gallon for gas couldn't care less. Many of them had probably either forgotten or never heard of the case until the FBI brought it back into the limelight.

So....other than the reasons from folks who believe all that they see in M. Night Shyamalan movies, the only reason I can think of for people who know stuff not just putting everything out there is for hopes of monetary gain or momentary fame. I'm really not trying to be facetious - What am I missing here?


Smokin99, You are not missing anything.


Since there is nothing much happening I thought having nigel99, replying to Robert99 who replied to Smokin99 would be entertaining:)
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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Since there is nothing much happening I thought having nigel99, replying to Robert99 who replied to Smokin99 would be entertaining:)



Darn. I chose the wrong number >:(. Now I will sit and sulk cos I'm feeling left out :P
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Consider this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vummKd6VF4

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Or would this have been more apropos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C4uTEEOJlM

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+ Orange1, etc.

Or would this have been more apropos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C4uTEEOJlM



lol....I resemble that remark.


I often wonder...in your creative brain...which comes first....the video clip or the concept? Does that make sense?
Like do you think "this reminds me of the scene in X" or do you think of the theme/concept then search for a video that fits?
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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It's like being on Groundhog Day around here.

I pretty much gave up on people around here after I posted up the '25 Best Reasons We Believe Ken Christiansen was DB Cooper' post...and it was completely ignored. No one really addressed a single point. All they did was dismiss the post in its entirety.



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That’s right, I’ve taken the plunge and joined the ranks of ‘Print On Demand’ delusionals and obtained a Lightning Source account along with a dozen ISBNs and UPCs. Yeah you got it, in spite of the economy and Borders’ going Tango Uniform I’ve bravely started Farflung’s Sophisticated Book Publishing For People Who Don’t Suck Or Read.

Editing is already complete and this will be offered in hardback only so generations can enjoy this tome for many decades to come. There is no Kindle edition because there is some Byzantine requirement for a word and page count being greater than zero, so I bravely rebuked that product line while maintaining my integrity.

I realize this book has nothing to do with DB Cooper, but neither has any other so where is the foul here? Expect a mid to late November (read 25th) release and feel free to leave any glowing, positive or impossibly exuberant reviews of my opus magnum premier.

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Excuse me, but you must not have been reading the thread - or you were out to lunch. Those 25 remarks were discussed with you and by Georger and myself and many others....several times.

You came back with the same evasive rhetoric such as the last posts regarding the 25 points.

:D:)
The producers go around doing
Movie Options to tie up a story so if they decide to move forward they have something already tied up in a nice little bundle so they don't have to pay the big bucks when the book starts to catch on. That is just how they operate. A movie Option is nothing to get exited about. They may never exercise that option.

Through the Cooper Grapevine I have heard more about the "Bing Crosby" version of Cooper (I think I am the one who started calling it the "Bing Crosby Look-alike" and it just caught on). The "Bing Crosby" version of Cooper was not correct. THIS is why the FBI produced the 1972 "Composite B" rendering. Several of the books used the "Bing Crosby" version even though the writers were aware the old composite was not correct - wonder WHY?

Seems like if someone is writing a book to catch a criminal - they would use any and all composites.

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Farflung says in part:

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'That’s right, I’ve taken the plunge and joined the ranks of ‘Print On Demand’ delusionals and obtained a Lightning Source account along with a dozen ISBNs and UPCs. Yeah you got it, in spite of the economy and Borders’ going Tango Uniform I’ve bravely started Farflung’s Sophisticated Book Publishing For People Who Don’t Suck Or Read...'


I meant a REAL manuscript. That's a book cover.
Lightning Source? How little you know. They are the printers and distributors for Ingram, the biggest database for book titles in the world, not a second-rate outfit like iUniverse, for example. Or that ridiculous place they call Lulu Dot Com. College and university presses use LSI, as well as thousands of publishers worldwide. They do short run, POD, eBooks, and make it possible for publishers to release titles at 55% off the retail and still make a profit. Try doing that at Lulu. (*laughs*)

On a side note, Print on Demand is rapidly being adopted by the big publishers as well. All of the big boys in the trade now have accounts at LSI so they can keep titles in stock without having to fill up their warehouses. It's cost-effective.

I really like you, Farflung. This is the first time I've ever seen you look uninformed on something. And I still want to see a manuscript from you. Forget about Cooper. I have an idea you have things to say on a number of subjects. Whatever you come up with, I'm sure it would be good. You and Rebecca Latyntseva are the only two people we've ever made an open offer to. (Rebecca is the author of the controversial time-travel story 'Red Monkeys,' which is included in our new sci-fi release)



You pride yourself on being "informed". And don't
hesitate to let us know you are "informed". Your
arrogance is well-known and established.

How could an 'infomed' person omit the central fact
that KC was gay? And that at least some of his
relationships and events in his life were because he
was gay, in a setting where being gay was perhaps
frowned upon? How could you mistake a 'rendevouis'
for a weekend with another gentleman as a plot to
hijack an airplane - the fanous DB Cooper hijacking
no less ?

That's what I want to know.

A person with your self proclaimed 'informed'
background does not make such a choice without
a reason. What is the reason or the facts you have
so far refused to disclose, after months of avoiding
the issue while also claiming we are ignorant
(compared to you) ?

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Sluggo - This is the part that I don't get. I mean why? It's a 40 year old case, the perpetrator is either dead or an eighty-ish year old man, the remaining money is probably gone forever in whatever form. Regardless of all this, it's seems likely to be largely unprosecutable (or at least non-convictable) anyway.

I get that the FBI doesn't like this case going down as unsolved, but frankly, the majority of people paying 4 - 5$ a gallon for gas couldn't care less. Many of them had probably either forgotten or never heard of the case until the FBI brought it back into the limelight.

So....other than the reasons from folks who believe all that they see in M. Night Shyamalan movies, the only reason I can think of for people who know stuff not just putting everything out there is for hopes of monetary gain or momentary fame. I'm really not trying to be facetious - What am I missing here?



What I am implying is... There is still some (not much) science going on. The individuals conducting that research (real research) will not publish anything until they are ready (i. e. the work is complete). Jo said: Tom Kaye dropped out (or something like that)". Jo doesn't know anything about Tom Kaye or his activities. The phrase: "Those that are talking, don't know and those that know, aren't talking," is something left over from my days at the "Super-secret Guv'ment Laboratory. I say it to Jo all the time to try to help her understand that those who constantly run there mouths most likely don't know what they are talking about.


BTW: Did you hear me blow my horn when I came by your house today? (Well about 13 miles away). I always honk, but you never wave. Maybe I should get closer. :)

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What I am implying is... There is still some (not much) science going on. The individuals conducting that research (real research) will not publish anything until they are ready (i. e. the work is complete). Jo said: Tom Kaye dropped out (or something like that)". Jo doesn't know anything about Tom Kaye or his activities. The phrase: "Those that are talking, don't know and those that know, aren't talking," is something left over from my days at the "Super-secret Guv'ment Laboratory. I say it to Jo all the time to try to help her understand that those who constantly run there mouths most likely don't know what they are talking about.



That makes sense. Thanks.

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BTW: Did you hear me blow my horn when I came by your house today? (Well about 13 miles away). I always honk, but you never wave. Maybe I should get closer. :)



Lol....drop by anytime - just watch out fer the south Ga rednecks :). They put secret guv'ment workers in about the same category as dentists. They ain't got no use fer em. :) :)j/k....we're real urbanized round here...we got our own Walmart and everthing.
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Why is the picture of Clarence Anglin driving me NUTs or nuttier than I am?

Is it because he was increditably handsome. Those eyes - I feel like I know those eyes. They are blue and I don't think this guy looks like Huran, Hurand, Horan, Horand. I just can't get that picture of Clarence out of my mind. I have sat and stared at it and keep trying to figure out who or what or why.

Floyd or Lloyd. A man at a FL flea market. He was a little younger than Duane and his hair was white - but, those eyes...they are haunting - pehaps just hauntingly beautiful.

Why would a guy who looked like that be a criminal - he could have been a movie star? I guess my image of criminals back in the day was nasty rough looking men - not drop dead gorgeous.:|[:)

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Some of you guys give the impression you have some sort of secret Clearance with the FBI and have access to privileged information which I just do NOT believe.


Exactly what was Tom Kaye's educational creditials? What degrees does he have and in what subjects and when and where did he obtain these degrees. If this man truely had something to offer that might help solve this crime he would already have publicized it. It would open doors for him never opened before.


Sluggo is a good RECORD keeper or so I though... He did a good job categorizing the NORJAK file to the public but, it needs to be on a site that we can all read - even the dummies like me. Most people interested in this subject have some age on them. I STILL cannot open the pictures or the articles. So what is the secret to being able to use Sluggo's site?

I guess it is all how someone words what they have to say. The use of technical language and "wise" remarks make one look and sound knowledgeable, but that is just a "tease" and not unlike the Tease you guys accuse me of being.

I like Sluggo, but he closed his mind and some doors - doors that have been re-opened. For example - his opinion of the knife and the fragment within it.
What if that fragment contained the very same pores or pollen removed from other samples?
What if that thread matched the threads of the chute that was cut?

Not picking on Sluggo. Just Saying.

Doesn't Mueller retire in Sept?
What does this case do for his reputation?

NO explanation of why the FBI went to Colorado AFTER Duane was released from Jefferson and had gone back to working under the name of Duane Weber. NO explanation of why they did NOT continue to persue him in N.O., but then maybe they did - he was hiding in Plain site.

Was Duane hiding in N.O. and AL or was he on assignment? - Keeping his part of the deal!
Perhaps this little assignment in N.O. and AL brought harm to his family? Maybe he was playing with the BIG boys - dangerous ones? Who was he running to or from? What harm did this little assignment cause his family?

The scars suffered forever altered the lives of innocents - and for those I shed tears and the thought renders my heart to the breaking point. When I think about the story I was told by not one but 2 surviors - the tears stream down my face...and I wish I could make it all go away. This is something I cannot talk about, but it may well have been Cooper's motive.

You will never know if you don't know now!

Weber had the motives and the causes and the experience to make the jump. It didn't take a Green Beret or a Smokejumper to make that jump. Someone with just enough knowledge and motive to do it. Survival was NOT important...he had to do it!
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Weber had the motives and the causes and the experience to make the jump



Dunno about motives and causes, but Jo please tell us what experience you are referring to.

You've yet to prove Duane made even one jump. No, you don't have to be a Green Beret or smoke jumper to make a night jump from a 727, but your chances of surviving it as your first jump are low.

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