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Johnny Ray grew up around Salem Ore. He was a Boy Scout and attended a scout Jamboree near the Dalles. He had brown eyes. Look at his photo, he's at least a good an FBI DBC sketch match as Duane Weber. His famous rendition of "Just Walkin in the Rain" was a preview of his planned egress from the Norjack landing area.

"Just walking in the rain
Getting soaking wet
Torturing my heart
By trying to forget."

Jo, prove he was not DB Cooper.

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You are talking about my sweet heart there - Johnny Ray was my idol - I have coveted LP's with NO scratches on them - but, no longer have anything to play them on. They were never handled with bare hands...except what the Baby sitter got hold of after she was told NOT to handle the albums and to NEVER move the needle arm manually - to let the entire album play thru. But she was a teenager - and so things happen...fortunately Johnny Ray was NOT one of her favorites.

Cry, Little White Cloud, Wild is the Wind, It's Not for Me to Say, Chances Are, Call Me, You're Nobody 'til Somebody Loves You,
and of course Yes Tonight Josephine.

Now do you really want me to prove Johnnie Ray was NOT Cooper?

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Recall: Jo said Duane told her to STOP! Implored her to STOP! And "let it die with me!".

Georger get it straight.
Duane said "Oh, F--- Let it die with me". After I questioned his jumping out of a plane and ONLY AFTER I did NOT understand what he was talking about - after he tried to tell me what he was talking about - the Dumb Blonde Sydrome was holding on hard.

He never IMPLORED me to STOP.
NOT one time. He was very frustrated I didn't understand what he was talking about.

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For some reason this one makes me want to Cry

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Makes you want to Cry? I thought it was gruesome - because you do know Weber claimed to have known Dorthy Killgallen and told me she did NOT kill herself.

Supposedly she stayed in a place he worked at. When she was a guest she wanted her paper delivered to her door. She did NOT want them to leave it outside of the door, but to knock on the door and hand it to her.

If my memory serves me right he was a doorman in this hotel, but I do not really know which one. It could have been one of 2 in CO or in New Orleans. How many other jobs Weber held in Hotels and their locations is unknown to me. He told me which Hotel, but time has taken its toll on some of my memory. I want to say it was the Broadmore or Bourbon New Orleans, but uncertainty leaves me to say "I don't know, anymore".

So many individuals who have died strange deaths and all of them seemed to be linked to each other.

Oswald was supposedly connected to Davie Ferrie.

According to members of Duane's extended family he knew Davie Ferrie and they spent a couple of weeks in an apt. he owned when Weber was on the run from the FBI. I believe I had a problem making the yrs work on this story - but, then again time is robbing my memory.

One of the individuals who told me this story was only 14 when they stayed in New Orleans. She also told me she knew Weber was Cooper and then within a few months she met the same fate as Dorthy Killgallen.

Just more co-incidences! Or are they fabrications? Did this person tell me a lie? She had NO reason to lie. I did not know who Davie Ferrie was when she told me the story. I only learned who Ferrie was since this thread started.

You see there are things I too do not talk about because they seem so far fetched NO ONE would ever believe them - but, most of this story I can prove.

If anyone of you had walked in my shoes for the last 15 yrs and talked to the people I have talked to and been told the stories I have been told - you would either be running scared or fighting the system. I chose to stand up and fight .

Why I have just told this story in its entirety. I did NOT solicit the story the girl told me. I did NOT make the facts fit....they just did.
I do not know if she even realized the story she told me would eventually fit pieces of the puzzle together. I do not know the extent of her education and if she really knew who Ferrie was at that time...one thing for sure I didn't know who Ferrie was when she told me that story.

If none of you ever remember anything I have ever told you - remember this story. I do NOT know what the significance is - but it is NOT very comforting.

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Recall: Jo said Duane told her to STOP! Implored her to STOP! And "let it die with me!".

Georger get it straight.
Duane said "Oh, F--- Let it die with me". After I questioned his jumping out of a plane and ONLY AFTER I did NOT understand what he was talking about - after he tried to tell me what he was talking about - the Dumb Blonde Sydrome was holding on hard.

He never IMPLORED me to STOP.
NOT one time. He was very frustrated I didn't understand what he was talking about.

correction noted -

mole comes off too -

ears stay the same - genetic.

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For some reason this one makes me want to Cry

me too -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Kilgallen

and of course there is this:

http://www.jfkresearch.com/morningstar/killgallen.
htm

Blevins needs to give up on KC and concentrate on
Killgallen instead.

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Bob and I went to Lake Washington High School today, and here are my preliminary findings.

Librarian Mary Mason showed us three year books, 1963, 64 and 65. Pictures of Sheridan L. Peterson were in all three and Bob confirmed that they were of the guy who had lived with him for a month in 1961.

Mary is one tough librarian. When she saw the 1964 header for SLP, which listed Petey's former occupations as (M)marine, smoke jumper, logger, writer, editor of various newspapers, and technical writer for Boeing, she said, "What a load of b....t"

It does seem incredulous that Petey could do all of that stuff. Curiously, he doesn't tout his three kids or his time as a Bubbleator op.

LWHS did not have any color photos of Petey, so eye color is still unconfirmed.

However, Petey was half-bald! Just a whiff on top and the sides. Nuttin' on the front half, so if he's Danny Boy, he had to be wearing one sharp toupee on November 24th.

Plus, he must have really worked out physically between '64 and '71, cause he looks old in the pix.

I will endeavor to procure a scanner of our pix and have them available to you guys on the DZ.

Mary gave me half a dozen names of colleagues of Petey who are still alive and in the Kirkland-Redmond area. That's on the list of things to do.

Nevertheless, the pix I saw today seemed reasonably similar to the pix that Snowmman had provided of Petey - the pix from the University of Missouri, a yearbook, I believe.

Also, Bob says that a friend of his researched Marine Corps records and found no trace of a Sheridan L. Peterson having served in WWII.

Bob and I had an interesting conversation as we drove from Seattle to Kirkland. Could DB have played tag with Flight 305 across America Nov 24, loading jumping gear into the overhead bins, let's say on the first leg at Washington DC that morning, then catch a cross-country flight to beat 305 to Portland, where he rejoined 305? This way he could have had lots of gear on board for the jump. I have never heard anyone discuss this angle.

Has it been considered?

Lastly, another weird Cooper-esque factoid popped up at LWHS. The school nickname is the "Kangaroos." Bob and I were flabbergasted to see kangaroo statuary and pix all over the place.

"I guess folks in this place like to jump," Bob dead-panned. It was priceless.

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'Why does it takes 5 days (or more) to hijack
305, right in your own back yard? At least Teddy
Mayfield got home fast in time to call Himmelsbach.
Wouldn't vanishing for 5+ days raise suspicions?

If Geestman's wife investigated enough to find out
Geestman was with Kenny for the missing 5+ days,
why did she fail to ask Kenny where they were and
what they were doing, and jump immediately
to "Kenny was Cooper!" ?'

It would help if you would keep it to a few questions at a time.

I will try to answer the ones above, though.

Margie Geestman probably didn't find out about the hijacking until some time afterward, if KC and Bernie were involved. Even today, she doesn't want to admit KC did it, although she consistently points to Bernie as being involved. There are two reasons. First, she liked Kenny quite a bit. They were friends for almost thirty years. Second, she has an unreasonable fear of the FBI. That was obvious. You can't convince her that the statute has run out. I tried. Howver, you could tell (during her interviews) that she knew everything, but she was unwilling to drop the dime on Kenny. (Have to ask: have you read the Revised edition of the book yet? Many of these answers are there.)

Vanishing for days DID create some suspicion. Helen Jones said she was certain that KC and Bernie would be investigated by the FBI, and was surprised they never did. Bernie's own sister admitted that she thought Kenny was the hijacker right from the beginning. She is also the lady who ID'd the photo of the tie as one belonging to Kenny, testified he sometimes wore a toupee (but not after November 71), and freely admitted receiving $5,000 in cash in April of 1972 from Kenny. The money was physically delivered to her home by Bernie...who also put Kenny onto the Bonney Lake home via his friend Joe Grimes. Even Bernie admitted all of this was true.

Five days? There are a few easy scenarios here. Maybe it took a few days for the hijacker to find his way back to the freeway. Maybe he got lost for a while. Perhaps they decided to cool it at Paradise Point State Park while half the cops in Washington and the Army guys were tearing the countryside apart looking for Cooper. Who knows?

BTW: I think I mentioned that Skipp Porteous has an advance galley copy of Geoff Gray's new book. Porteous says that Gray talks about all the suspects, but it was obvious WHY Gray and Crown Books pulled it from last year's Summer Catalog and instead set it up for an August 2011 release. He had to rewrite the parts about Kenny. Porteous says that its also obvious that Gray favors KC as the guy, although he talks about all the major suspects and doesn't specifically state that he believes KC did it.

Remember...Gray was the guy who did the NYM article, and he was fairly convinced at that time that KC might have had something to do with it. Perhaps once he saw Blast, and the pictures, and the documents, and the witness testimony....

You say all of these people consistently thought
KC was the hijacker and Geestman was
involved. But what brought these people to that
conclusion? They sound like a bunch of lunatics
and conspiracy theory makers to me ? And Margie
Geestman is affraid of the FBI? ???

From what I have read including your notes, none
of these people said a word about their suspicions
over the years. It was Lyle Christiansen who
according to Gray and you etal, first named Kenny
as being Cooper, with Lyle looking for a movie
contract in New York City. That is what brought him
to Porteous and eventually to you. No proof, just
the accusation. And a meeting with a movie producer!
In the meantime all of these folks in Washington
are mum! So in a very real sense these folks in WA
are all late-comers ... with a story to suddenly tell.
You wander in and suddenly there are "witnesses"
galore who all knew Kenny was Cooper. And Kenny is
gone unable to say a word. How convenient for
everyone!

Did any of these good-people bother to inform
Kenny while he was alive, including his own brother?

Why didnt Lyle go straight to the FBI vs a movie
producer ? (The unibomber's brother did!)

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Old posts from Jo which sadly show what this really is all about now ... and why no amount of proof is actually going to change her mind (or conversely that any proof will just be dismissed with another conspiracy theory).

Nov 26 2006:
I would like to think he changed for me - he walked away from a life of crime because he knew how I had been raised and what my standards were.
(and yet you later told us how you were with him when he stole coats...so even this is of little comfort)

Jan 6 2007 (probably the saddest post and the one that most explains the inability to fae the truth – and we are more than 4 years later now):
....I need to know that these 12 yrs of research and my 17 yrs of marriage to this man were not totally invain.

Similarly from Apr 15 2007:
If the FBI has such evidence don't you think it would be in good conscience to share it with someone who has used up the prime of her life


Jo, I really wish you would let this go and enjoy the rest of your years. You can never prove Weber was Cooper and will not accept any evidence to the contrary (you will find some argument like you did with the lack of DNA evidence to match Weber's) so why not just let it all go and remove this huge burden? Accept Duane was a crook, that there is no "hero caper" to justify it or make it better in your eyes, and move on.

On another tack...
Georger, apart from the ears, if you look at Jo’s frankenweber composite, it seems to me the cheekbones are very different? Could it look that way from smiling or is this a fundamental bone structure thing?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Something that has always puzzled me about the Cooper case is why the ticket agent would have remembered an arbitrary customer well enough to describe him in detail. Was there something noticeable about him - a bad limp, a bad stammer, a very noticeable tic? Ideas?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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On another tack...
Georger, apart from the ears, if you look at Jo’s frankenweber composite, it seems to me the cheekbones are very different? Could it look that way from smiling or is this a fundamental bone structure thing?

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Hey Orange1,

Here is an article about the ticket agent. Someone had posted this article earlier to this thread.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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Hey Orange1,

Here is an article about the ticket agent. Someone had posted this article earlier to this thread.

Thanks Vicki - I must have missed that. Interesting from another angle too - in other stuff there has been discrepancy about whether he was wearing black or brown on some items (I forget which).
How are things going with your investigation?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Thanks Vicki - I must have missed that. Interesting from another angle too - in other stuff there has been discrepancy about whether he was wearing black or brown on some items (I forget which).
How are things going with your investigation?

I spoke with an agent from Seattle, gave him the FBI# I found on the back of Mel's mugshot. We spoke of the Unsolved Mystery video. He asked me the "the reasons" why I thought my father could be Dan Cooper. (it sounded like he has asked that question before, it was so automatic). I emailed him some pictures, the Unsolved Mysteries link and a video of old 8mm film we had taken in 1969 - 71.

I have not spoke to him since...it is in their hands now.

I finished my last final last night!! (YAY) My daughter and I have planned a trip to San Francisco to see my sister over Memorial Weekend. Life goes on........

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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well done on finishing finals!! and enjoy SF.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Hey Orange1,

Here is an article about the ticket agent. Someone had posted this article earlier to this thread.

lol..couldn't resist... "profiling" men in black....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxkdDRF3Zn4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYctbbWWzzo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=353vlb3VfAU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdz_-06wGqc

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Well the 60’s were certainly a dangerous time for a certain group of people who shared information, struggles for power and bodily fluids in an endeavor to improve our lives. But 1971 has arrived with a scant three survivors from that sinister filtration.

26. Those include,

27. Johnnie Ray and the equally sexually ambiguous

28. Roswell Aliens along with the Senator from Massachusetts

29. Ted Kennedy who had rededicated his life to

30. public service.

31. All of that would change when some unknown person managed to fool the entire government by pulling one of the most hare brained stunts and get away Scot free. This would serve as inspiration for a third Kennedy to ascend the political ladder in a bid for the Office of the President. Except that Ted forgot that no one knew who Cooper was and the fact that no one was killed during the hijacking of 305. Fortunately there were challenges that would be far more fulfilling than being president.

32. Like taking your nephew out for a little

34. male bonding where men of great accomplishment can toast their station in life with some libations and perhaps

35. some alleged acts of rape on the beach.

32. So the nephew calls

33. Uncle Ted who immediately

34a. puts a plan in action but forgets what that plan is and calls

36. his attorney who crafts the perfect

37. defense which lifts

38. another burden off of Ted’s shoulders so he can get back to

39. being an awesome senator. At least until

40. another relative brings some news that he too has been accused of killing a woman.

41. This event distracts Ted again forcing him to

42. craft the most cunning defense in his legal career. After a few kamikazes’, boiler makers, shots of Jaeger, Long Island Iced Teas, Hurricanes, Salted Margaritas, Unsalted Margaritas, Blended Margaritas, Margaritas on the Rocks and some single malt Scotch; I was able to see the genius in his defense.

43. Michael was just minding his own business in a tree which just happened to be on the Moxley’s property and facing Martha’s bedroom window. Once perched way high up in that tree he became extremely excited about his manly man adventure and did what anyone would have done lest they cast the first load. While Michael was in deep introspection in this high class neighborhood there was some less than honorable activities about to take place in the Moxley home.

44. Some stranger who was probably not very wealthy broke into the Skakel home and stole a golf club then snuck over to Martha’s house and killed her with what most killers choose as a weapon. Just like all golf club killers

45. he carried the body out of the home and across the expansive; estate sized lawn and then placed her on the very spot where Michael had just finished celebrating, twice. So you can see it is all just a misunderstanding about something that everyone on the jury could easily relate to.

46. Not this jury apparently. You would think out of twelve, that one of the former tree squatting self pleasers would have said to themselves ‘there but for the grace of god…’ but no.

47. Ted reminds the country that an innocent man is going to jail and

48. he returns to being a senator with even more gusto.

49. Putting in many late hours till exhaustion has him watching his 70 inch, HD TV with a rerun of the

50. ‘Anna Nicole Show’ which Ted somehow interprets as

51. the ghost of Marilyn Monroe mocking him.

52. Fresh from the sting of the Skakel trial, Ted decided to use

53. the super secret government people to make sure that Anna Monroe… whatever…

54. would be found in bed dead from an overdose of pills.

55. When informed that Anna Nicole just wanted to be like Marilyn Monroe but was NOT the same person; a nonplused Ted said he was

56. only thinking about getting back to his legislative duties.

57. Thus leaving the last remnant of the pre Cooper era as a glaring beacon pointing precisely to who DB Cooper is. There is no argument about the validity of the path taken to this point. All the facts are documented, certified and re-verified by organizations foreign and domestic. There simply is no room left for speculation or ambiguity.

Next DB Cooper will be revealed with the same devastating logic which has no fear of the profound implications which lay on the near horizon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc-P8oDuS0Q

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Bob and I had an interesting conversation as we drove from Seattle to Kirkland. Could DB have played tag with Flight 305 across America Nov 24, loading jumping gear into the overhead bins, let's say on the first leg at Washington DC that morning, then catch a cross-country flight to beat 305 to Portland, where he rejoined 305? This way he could have had lots of gear on board for the jump. I have never heard anyone discuss this angle.

Intersting angle, but back then nobody cared what you brought aboard as long as it fit. It would have been very easy to board the Norjack flight with a chute in a bag and put it in the overhead. No need for a cross country subterfuge.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Mary is one tough librarian. When she saw the 1964 header for SLP, which listed Petey's former occupations as (M)marine, smoke jumper, logger, writer, editor of various newspapers, and technical writer for Boeing, she said, "What a load of b....t"

Mary gave me half a dozen names of colleagues of Petey who are still alive and in the Kirkland-Redmond area. That's on the list of things to do.

Nevertheless, the pix I saw today seemed reasonably similar to the pix that Snowmman had provided of Petey - the pix from the University of Missouri, a yearbook, I believe.

Also, Bob says that a friend of his researched Marine Corps records and found no trace of a Sheridan L. Peterson having served in WWII.

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I think Sheridan joined the USMC either at the end of WW2 or after it and did not see WW2 combat. I'd bet good odds that he is not lying about USMC service. I havent found him to be untruthful in anything he wrote. Some of his claimed extreme skydiving accomplishments (like home made bat wing jumps) raised some skeptical doubt in me but they checked out.

I've offered to buy Pete a tandem jump at Lodi but he wont answer my enmails. I think he would do fine on a solo jump with a round chute, but nobody uses that gear any more at modern DZs. He avoids contact with DB Cooper nuts, which probably proves his present sanity and good judgment.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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If you examine Sheridan's bio and political leanings youd conclude that he is deeply interested in what is going on in Libya. If he had the means I'll bet he'd jump into Misrata tomorrow. He loves peace, hates war but also realizes that Qadaffi is a psychopathic war ciminal who needs to be taken down ASAP. I'll bet he'd be on the front lines even at his age.

I bet he is reading this too, but he no longer posts on dropzone. I keep trying to entice him but he doesnt bite.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Where did YOU get that photo of Duane Weber. I DO NOT remember posting it in this thread.

Please send me to the post I displayed that picture in.

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Remember...Gray was the guy who did the NYM article, and he was fairly convinced at that time that KC might have had something to do with it. Perhaps once he saw Blast, and the pictures, and the documents, and the witness testimony....

You, MR. Blevin are an out and out FRAUD.. Gray and Porteous talked LONG LONG before you became part of the picture.

When Gray did his N.Y. Article - if you were in the picture it was behind the scenes, Gray was supposed to do the book but CHOSE - NOT to do so. He learned more about Christiansen AFTER he did the article and did NOT want to do the book on Christiansen.

Instead he CHOSE to write about the things he learned in the process...of his own investigation.

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On another tack...
Georger, apart from the ears, if you look at Jo’s frankenweber composite, it seems to me the cheekbones are very different? Could it look that way from smiling or is this a fundamental bone structure thing?

I have explained before how I did that. I used a photo of Duane (his head was slghtly turned - he liked to be posed for photos and did NOT want me to make Straight on pictures).

The composite was straight on.
Yes the angulation of the avatar seems different and the face more narrow due to combining a straight on Composite with an head turned photo.

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