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Over 3 years and 587 pages. Are you guys any closer to finding DB?

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Bernie Geestman and his wife:.

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The government can take down Bin Ladin, but in 40 yrs they couldn't find Cooper! This is laughable and it makes the FBI look really bad...especially when they have known for yrs who Cooper really was. The government let their trained hunting dogs out to provide false information to anyone who had actually picked up the trail of Cooper.

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Wow. I find this post kind of offensive. Jo, you must be the only person in the US who thinks the FBI should rather have been wasting time on Cooper than trying to find a terrorist who killed thousands of people and was planning on killing more.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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The government can take down Bin Ladin, but in 40 yrs they couldn't find Cooper! This is laughable and it makes the FBI look really bad...especially when they have known for yrs who Cooper really was. The government let their trained hunting dogs out to provide false information to anyone who had actually picked up the trail of Cooper.

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Wow. I find this post kind of offensive. Jo, you must be the only person in the US who thinks the FBI should rather have been wasting time on Cooper than trying to find a terrorist who killed thousands of people and was planning on killing more.

No offense meant.

Did NOT mean they should have been chasing Cooper after 9/11, but they had several good yrs when the leads were not cold and there were witnesses still alive, but they did NOT interview them properly and most they never even talked to. Perhaps they should have requested the sister and ex-wife to have taken lie detector test. Perhaps they should have interviewed the Step daughter without her mother around. Perhaps they should have gone where I have been.

Even when the correct information was placed at their feet they didn't look. The Secret was in Coure d alene, ID and Crook County, OR - I put it on a silver plate for them, but they didn't look. Oh, and I forgot - Spokane.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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This is laughable and it makes the FBI look really bad...especially when they have known for yrs who Cooper really was. The government let their trained hunting dogs out to provide false information to anyone who had actually picked up the trail of Cooper.

This site might interest you.

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

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Over 3 years and 587 pages. Are you guys any closer to finding DB?

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I am.

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I have always known.

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

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I will attempt to answer Georger's questions below by pasting over his message in bold and giving my answers in plain text:

Both Bernie and his wife state they think Kenny was Cooper.

Bernie does. And so did Dawn J. Bernie's sister. So did Helen Jones, after she saw the evidence. She also added she was surprised back in 72 when the FBI didnt check them out. She thought they would. Margie won't admit it for sure one way or another.

When did they think this, going back how far, why
did they think this, were they together and did each
think it separately or together, and any proof they
thought Kenny was Cooper clear back in the early
years - before the present tense?

First, remember that Skipp and I believe that both Bernie and Margie Geestman know everything, although we believe Margie didn't find out until after the fact. This is tough to answer, though, because we're dealing with people who may have been involved. Margie was in denial about KC for all five interviews, until she sent AB of Seattle that weird letter saying that even if Kenny was on Flight 305, he was only doing his job anyway. She has said repeatedly that she thought her ex was involved, although she kept trying to name other people as the hijacker besides Kenny. None of them were even close. She has an unreasonable fear of both the FBI and her ex. To ask whether they thought back in 71/72 if KC was the guy doesn't matter, because they aren't going to say that if they were involved.

Margie and Bernie have been divorced since 1994. We know for sure that Bernie broke into her ranch house in Twisp about six weeks after KC died and stole the logbook and some photo albums. I was frankly surprised when Bernie said on Decoded he thought Kenny was the hijacker. When I interviewed him, he was in complete denial and told several lies.

Who did the Geestmans share their thoughts with, perhaps someone totally out of the loop who didnt even know Kenny? (everyone has someone they talk to and confide in).

And why would they do that if they were involved? If they did, I never found out who they confided in. It would be extremely risky for them to do this.

Did Kenny ever say anything to Lyle that made Lyle think Kenny had done something (noteworthy)?

Lyle says that after the date of the hijacking that Kenny seldom wrote home anymore, although before that time he often did. To answer your question, no...he never hinted to Lyle he was Cooper. Again, no one in their right mind would admit to a capital crime. You could refer to the deathbed statement, but without KC actually saying what 'there is something you should know about me...' really meant, it is little to go on. Our first thought was that KC meant his sexuality, but several of KC's family members, including Lyle, said they already knew that from when KC was a kid.

Its long after the fact, but Kenny had to have
someone unrelated to these people he could confide
in and talk to (about personal matters). Maybe
someone he grew up with back in Minnesota? Some
woman he knew completely out of the circle of these
people, his socalled friends? A priest or minister, a
confident ... maybe a fellow NWA employee?

No one in Minnesota. He lived in Bonney Lake from before the hijacking until his death. A good guess on the two people who knew he was Cooper, (besides the Geestmans?) I would say these two:

Kenneth 'Mac' McWilliams, the guy who cared for Kenny while he was dying, and the person who was left the adjoining lot out back after Kenny died. Ever since the NYM article came out, he has been moving from place to place around Washington state and dodging both the media and Porteous. He's even quit jobs and abandoned apartments in the last two years doing this. Porteous and I ask why he keeps doing this if he has nothing to hide.

And this person probably knows: Robin Powell, (picture attached) who lived with Kenny from about 1992 until Kenny's death. He was with his former wife at the time, Carolyn Powell (now Tyner). He met her AFTER he moved in with Kenny, and they married and set up housekeeping with KC. Carolyn Tyner says that Robin and Kenny never told her anything, and that KC was quite secretive...and that Robin physically abused her on a regular basis, and that's why she divorced him. After Kenny died and left them the house and the main lot, they sold it and moved to Nevada. She divorced him there, and later remarried a Boulder, CO police officer. She is with the police officer today, and much happier. Robin Powell is known as an unsavory sort. He's currently in prison, and it's not the first time. The previous time...it was for an attempted murder charge on his own mother, according to Carolyn Tyner.

When did the bulk of his coin and stamp
transactions occur and with whom, where?
Before 1971, after, short period of time following
1971 or stretched out over years beginning and
ending when?

Good question. Dawn J testified that Kenny had a modest collection BEFORE the hijacking. A few sheets of stamps and a few coins. But the year following the hijacking, after Kenny moved up to Bonney Lake, he opened a PO box back down in Sumner and started receiving coin orders from there, even though the Post Office in Bonney Lake was much closer. The value of the final collection (in 1994 dollars) that was left to Lyle was approximately $400,000. Putting that up against Kenny's tax returns and known income from 71 until his death, it is hard to explain.

Who did Kenny confide in about his war experiences and his parachuting history? Did he comment to anyone about parachuting after 1971?

Dawn J was surprised to hear KC was in WW2 as a paratrooper. She met him in 68 and said he never mentioned it ever. We know KC NEVER spoke of his experiences after the date of the hijacking. Bernie and Margie knew his whole history, though, and they never spoke of it, either.

What trips did he take prior to and after 1971?

Mostly he hung around Bonney Lake when he wasn't going out to the Far East with Northwest. He did take one trip up to Twisp about six months before he died, to visit Margie Geestman. Their picture together from this trip is in the book. Seven months later is when Bernie broke into the house.

Good answers. Appreciated, Robert. Robin Powell
might be worth a visit and interview, in or out of
prison.

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Over 3 years and 587 pages. Are you guys any closer to finding DB?

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So Sparks - whadda ya know?

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'Note this:
Blevin's book title: "Into the Blast," sounds very familiar. There was a book writen by a Seattle author called "Into Thin Air".'

Jon Krakauer's book is about climbers dying on Mount Everest during an expedition that went very badly south.

I thought that was an excellent book. So was "Learning to breathe" by Andy Cave. Mountain climbers and skydivers seem to have a lot of the same drivers.

Btw I attended a couple of lectures on behavioral finance/economics today. Some of it made me think of some posters on this thread :)

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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'Note this:
Blevin's book title: "Into the Blast," sounds very familiar. There was a book writen by a Seattle author called "Into Thin Air".'

Jon Krakauer's book is about climbers dying on Mount Everest during an expedition that went very badly south.

I thought that was an excellent book. So was "Learning to breathe" by Andy Cave. Mountain climbers and skydivers seem to have a lot of the same drivers.

Btw I attended a couple of lectures on behavioral finance/economics today. Some of it made me think of some posters on this thread :)

Orange, Please elaborate on what you call "behavioral finance/economics". Some of us are not always hip to these modern terms.

Robert Nicholson

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Orange, Please elaborate on what you call "behavioral finance/economics". Some of us are not always hip to these modern terms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_economics


There was some discussion of cognitive bias, confirmation bias, anchoring etc which is what I was thinking of here... I think these factors have been mentioned in this thread before... Can find descriptions of all these on wiki too

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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This is a fun introduction to the subject. I saw the author speak last year; excellent.

http://www.amazon.com/Predictably-Irrational-Hidden-Forces-Decisions/dp/006135323X

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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This is a fun introduction to the subject. I saw the author speak last year; excellent.

http://www.amazon.com/Predictably-Irrational-Hidden-Forces-Decisions/dp/006135323X

Orange, After visiting the above link, I see your point and it is certainly correct when applied to this thread.

Robert Nicholson

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http://www.policeone.com/federal-law-enforcement/articles/3651922-FBI-nabs-Puerto-Rican-man-for-historic-robbery/

Not sure what HE knows, but it looks like the FBI DOES investigate and solve old crimes!

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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http://www.policeone.com/federal-law-enforcement/articles/3651922-FBI-nabs-Puerto-Rican-man-for-historic-robbery/

Not sure what HE knows, but it looks like the FBI DOES investigate and solve old crimes!

One of my all time favorite movie quotes.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eSl3X0brZU

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Jon Krakauer also wrote "Into the Wild," which was made into a movie. Seems Mr. Blevins likes these best-selling "Into the..." books from famous Seattle authors.

Mr Blevins needs to wake-up to the fact there is more to selling a book than the title. Is there such a thing as Title infringement?

On June 18th - a collage of photos will be posted - and NONE of them are of Weber. Duane's birthday is June 18th and the pictures you will see are going to shock you - something NONE of you ever expected.

You guys will actually be in more shock than I was when I received an item in the mail a couple of months ago. This will explain my mental disconnect to Blevins and certain individuals who only want to classify me as some repressed individual or obsessive delusional personality.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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(laugh) anyone who buys books surely knows there are often more than one book with the same title. In fact ' learning to breathe' is an example. I didn't think 'into the wild' was anywhere near as good as 'into thin air'. Read both of them a very long time ago.
Blevins I am surprised you were surprised considering you are in the industry!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Blevins just how in the world did you extract the statement below for the state I made>


Blevins stated:
About your letter: If you are saying that someone wrote you a bad letter, I am sorry for that. Wasn't me, of course. I'm not into the poison pen thing. My letters are always nice, except the ones I occasionally write to politicians in our district.

The statement that I (Jo Weber made).

On June 18th - a collage of photos will be posted - and NONE of them are of Weber. Duane's birthday is June 18th and the pictures you will see are going to shock you - something NONE of you ever expected.

You guys will actually be in more shock than I was when I received an item in the mail a couple of months ago. This will explain my mental disconnect to Blevins and certain individuals who only want to classify me a repressed obsessive delusional individual or personality.


Explain yourself Blevins:

Note: I did NOT say it was a BAD letter nor did I say anything that would indicate you sent this information. Is THIS the same way you hear, read, record and make reports on your interviews with witness?

I do not mean to attack you, but I think it is time someone made a point on this issue. You expect the public to believe every interview per your word and your interpretation of the interviews to make your case that K.C. may have been Cooper. Your interpertation of one statement on my part is so far out it is unbelieveable - glad your book is NOT about Weber and exactly WHY I chose NOT go forward with a book yrs ago. All too often - What the writer hears and what he says is nothing like what the person stated or tried to state or explain.

P.S. What I got in the mail was a GOOD surprise NOT a bad one - NOTHING I said in the statement would indicate a negative.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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She was caught in a family situation. History also reminded her that her book interview had been voice-recorded, which is another reason she couldn't retract. She had forgotten that, I guess. But as I said, she did admit that Bernie Geestman had called her and asked her to deny everything, and this is an important point.

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This has nothing to do with Cooper, but it does show that the FBI isnt squeaky clean. In a case brought by the ACLU challenging FBI domestic survellance of Muslims, the FBI "blatantly lied" to a federal judge (Cormac J. Carney) about whether certain documents existed. The excuse for lieing to the judge was that the FBI was "protecting national security". The angry judge said BS and last week ordered production of the previously concealed documents for his review.

The judge tacitly acknowledged the FBI's right to "mislead" FOIA requesters by withholding info under section 552 (c), but said it was an entirely different matter for the FBI to conclude that it could lie to a federal judge. To be fair to the FBI SAs, the lies were made by FBI lawyers, not working agents.

Jo will say "I told you so", and she did.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Blevins just how in the world did you extract the statement below from the statement I made?


Blevins stated:
About your letter: If you are saying that someone wrote you a bad letter, I am sorry for that. Wasn't me, of course. I'm not into the poison pen thing. My letters are always nice, except the ones I occasionally write to politicians in our district.

The statement that I (Jo Weber made).

On June 18th - a collage of photos will be posted - and NONE of them are of Weber. Duane's birthday is June 18th and the pictures you will see are going to shock you - something NONE of you ever expected.

You guys will actually be in more shock than I was when I received an item in the mail a couple of months ago. This will explain my mental disconnect to Blevins and certain individuals who only want to classify me a repressed obsessive delusional individual or personality.


Explain yourself Blevins:

Note: I did NOT say it was a BAD letter nor did I say anything that would indicate you sent this information. Is THIS the same way you hear, read, record and make reports on your interviews with witness?

I do not mean to attack you, but I think it is time someone made a point on this issue. You expect the public to believe every interview per your word and your interpretation of the interviews to make your case that K.C. may have been Cooper. Your interpretation of one statement on my part is so far out it is unbelieveable - glad your book is NOT about Weber and exactly WHY I chose NOT go forward with a book yrs ago. All too often - What the writer hears and what he says is nothing like what the person stated or tried to state or explain.

P.S. What I got in the mail was a GOOD surprise NOT a bad one - NOTHING I said in the statement would indicate a negative.

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Tapes and Records I am sure the witnesses will soon claim were co-erced from them by Blevins' suggestive remarks and questions. Wonder if he recorded his own questions and statements so NOTHING could be taken out of context?

A good attorney or detective knows how to lead a witness - at least until they get called down about it. Some successfully get their point across before the judge catches what they are doing.

Bernie Geestman requesting the witness deny everything - was simply because he could foresee what was in the future and not how he wanted to spend his last days on this earth. It is the same thing as buyers remorse.

In our area one of our music teachers was accused of inappropriate touching of a 10 yr old and he was charged with Child Molestation. Within 2 wks her story destroyed his career and his life as he knew it. She has now admitted she lied because she wanted to change classes.

New books coming out and I know that I was interviewed during the course of one book and wonder how I will be portrayed. Will it be factual and will it be what I actually said or how he interpreted what I tried to say? Will I be made to appear delusional and did he bite into a claim about Weber which I was adamant in this thread and to him, was NOT true? Will he use my ploys to extract truths from this individual and other individuals contacting me with "stories" they contocted and wanting me to bite into?

Out of self-defense I had to "play" games with some of these individuals to explore their story and see if there was any basis for a connection to Weber. I have tried in these 15 yrs to leave NO stone unturned even if it discredited me in doing so. All I wanted was the truth about Duane Weber and the story he told me - I wanted to know who I was married to for 17 yrs! I wanted to know who this man was I fell in love with!

If the FBI had nothing to hide about the past of Weber (they would have been forthcoming in a personal and explanatory letter to me yrs ago). They did NOT do this as all of you well know.

I don't have to worry about any of this any more - I have crossed over the mountain and now it will be a fast trip down the other side - maybe too fast!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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I was on the Google homepage (because that’s what hunky people do) and was deeply engaged in some research on a surplus NB-6 rig I was wearing in my garage. Well I couldn’t get my leg straps to hold any tension and the webbing would simply slide freely through the hardware.

Now I’m on the Google page to research and typed as far as “Why won’t my para….” when the search suggestion application told me all I needed to know about DB Cooper and his minions.

I can’t even complete some simple research without the government placing millions of ‘bots’ which hinder what must be my encroachment on the one true answer. Whatever you do, you must not attempt this search lest you become another target for the FBI.

It is better that they only know about me. Being heroic and dauntless come at a very steep price and I’m no stranger to dauntlessnessly heroics.

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Well I couldn’t get my leg straps to hold any tension and the webbing would simply slide freely through the hardware

In between being hunky and dauntless kindly post a photo showing how your straps are threaded through the hardware. The NB6 leg straps shouldn't be slipping.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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When he jumped off the airstairs of that 727, it wasn't the FIRST time he had used a parachute. Nobody in their right mind would even plan such a thing without at least a minimum of experience.

That is logical, but it may not be what happened. Snow posted info about other successful jet skyjack jumps and at least one of the guys had no prior parachute experience as I recall.

I suspect Cooper knew a lot about 727s and about parachuting too. His orders about flap angles and altitude tell me he was well informed.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.