DB Cooper

[georger 247]

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When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU5klWoMcK0

Time to get those creative juices flowing and craft a new cover for the anticipated Fourth Revision of ‘Into the Blast’. This appears to take a great deal of time and money so I thought I would invest a little of one and none of the other as a sort of sky geek exercise. I just give and give.

I felt the cover should have an instant impact on the target customer therefore limiting text or multisyllabic words combined with things that blowed up real good.

Additionally I wanted to convey a sense of well being with building stages of dread and fear as the truth is discovered. Parallel to that would be the story structure and how it has withstood time and ‘revised research’. I just hope I have come close to achieving these goals.

priceless.

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Georger - you haven't answered my question about these so called "things" - the FBI supposedly removed from the composite presented to the media.


Blevins - REMEMBER KC had Hazel eyes - you cannot make Coopers Dark Brown Piercing Eyes just GO Away - unless the FBI changes their description.

Survey survey survey ALL up and down the flight path - but which is the correct flight path? Witnesses and more witnesses all along the Flight path - ignored, liars or real sitings?

Too many different stories out there of she said and he said - time to air them in Public and I don't mean this forum.

I had told the FBI they needed to re-interview a certain person and they never did! for the FBI.

Georger:
I am waiting for your answer...you repeated something similar about information NOT available before. This last time you were SPECIFIC and we (perhaps only I) await your answer.

If you can make qualified statements like this - WHO are you REALLY and what is you level of access to the FBI Files? OR
are you pretending to have this authority when you have absolutely NO access to any information NOT available to the general public?

You know how to reach me on my private email and I do NOT mean the PM's in the thread. IF you can speak with so much authority and claim to know so much - IDENTIFY yourself and how you are connected to this old crime.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 247]

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Georger - you haven't answered my question about these so called "things" - the FBI supposedly removed from the composite presented to the media.


Blevins - REMEMBER KC had Hazel eyes - you cannot make Coopers Dark Brown Piercing Eyes just GO Away - unless the FBI changes their description.

Survey survey survey ALL up and down the flight path - but which is the correct flight path? Witnesses and more witnesses all along the Flight path - ignored, liars or real sitings?

Too many different stories out there of she said and he said - time to air them in Public and I don't mean this forum.

I had told the FBI they needed to re-interview a certain person and they never did! for the FBI.

Georger:
I am waiting for your answer...you repeated something similar about information NOT available before. This last time you were SPECIFIC and we (perhaps only I) await your answer.

If you can make qualified statements like this - WHO are you REALLY and what is you level of access to the FBI Files? OR
are you pretending to have this authority when you have absolutely NO access to any information NOT available to the general public?

You know how to reach me on my private email and I do NOT mean the PM's in the thread. IF you can speak with so much authority and claim to know so much - IDENTIFY yourself and how you are connected to this old crime.

STOP THE HARRASSMENT NOW.

Or this time I will do something about it and have you turned off.

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Georger - you haven't answered my question about these so called "things" - the FBI supposedly removed from the composite presented to the media.


Blevins - REMEMBER KC had Hazel eyes - you cannot make Coopers Dark Brown Piercing Eyes just GO Away - unless the FBI changes their description.

Survey survey survey ALL up and down the flight path - but which is the correct flight path? Witnesses and more witnesses all along the Flight path - ignored, liars or real sitings?

Too many different stories out there of she said and he said - time to air them in Public and I don't mean this forum.

I had told the FBI they needed to re-interview a certain person and they never did! for the FBI.

Georger:
I am waiting for your answer...you repeated something similar about information NOT available before. This last time you were SPECIFIC and we (perhaps only I) await your answer.

If you can make qualified statements like this - WHO are you REALLY and what is you level of access to the FBI Files? OR
are you pretending to have this authority when you have absolutely NO access to any information NOT available to the general public?

You know how to reach me on my private email and I do NOT mean the PM's in the thread. IF you can speak with so much authority and claim to know so much - IDENTIFY yourself and how you are connected to this old crime.

STOP THE HARRASSMENT NOW.

Or this time I will do something about it and have you turned off.

There is only one R in harassment. BTW, are you threatening her?

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

[georger 247]

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Georger - you haven't answered my question about these so called "things" - the FBI supposedly removed from the composite presented to the media.


Blevins - REMEMBER KC had Hazel eyes - you cannot make Coopers Dark Brown Piercing Eyes just GO Away - unless the FBI changes their description.

Survey survey survey ALL up and down the flight path - but which is the correct flight path? Witnesses and more witnesses all along the Flight path - ignored, liars or real sitings?

Too many different stories out there of she said and he said - time to air them in Public and I don't mean this forum.

I had told the FBI they needed to re-interview a certain person and they never did! for the FBI.

Georger:
I am waiting for your answer...you repeated something similar about information NOT available before. This last time you were SPECIFIC and we (perhaps only I) await your answer.

If you can make qualified statements like this - WHO are you REALLY and what is you level of access to the FBI Files? OR
are you pretending to have this authority when you have absolutely NO access to any information NOT available to the general public?

You know how to reach me on my private email and I do NOT mean the PM's in the thread. IF you can speak with so much authority and claim to know so much - IDENTIFY yourself and how you are connected to this old crime.

STOP THE HARRASSMENT NOW.

Or this time I will do something about it and have you turned off.

There is only one R in harassment. BTW, are you threatening her?

Where ya been hiding, atom man?

I knew when you surfaced and offered to help Jo
you would be stirring her up. Your role here is well
known ... and documented.

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Georger - you haven't answered my question about these so called "things" - the FBI supposedly removed from the composite presented to the media.


Blevins - REMEMBER KC had Hazel eyes - you cannot make Coopers Dark Brown Piercing Eyes just GO Away - unless the FBI changes their description.

Survey survey survey ALL up and down the flight path - but which is the correct flight path? Witnesses and more witnesses all along the Flight path - ignored, liars or real sitings?

Too many different stories out there of she said and he said - time to air them in Public and I don't mean this forum.

I had told the FBI they needed to re-interview a certain person and they never did! for the FBI.

Georger:
I am waiting for your answer...you repeated something similar about information NOT available before. This last time you were SPECIFIC and we (perhaps only I) await your answer.

If you can make qualified statements like this - WHO are you REALLY and what is you level of access to the FBI Files? OR
are you pretending to have this authority when you have absolutely NO access to any information NOT available to the general public?

You know how to reach me on my private email and I do NOT mean the PM's in the thread. IF you can speak with so much authority and claim to know so much - IDENTIFY yourself and how you are connected to this old crime.

STOP THE HARRASSMENT NOW.

Or this time I will do something about it and have you turned off.

There is only one R in harassment. BTW, are you threatening her?

I knew when you offered to help her you would be stirring her up. Your role here is well known ...
and documented.

Leave her alone. What the hell is the matter with you? My role? WTF? Have me "turned off" along with Mrs. Weber. Just push that big button....

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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Georger - you haven't answered my question about these so called "things" - the FBI supposedly removed from the composite presented to the media.


Blevins - REMEMBER KC had Hazel eyes - you cannot make Coopers Dark Brown Piercing Eyes just GO Away - unless the FBI changes their description.

Survey survey survey ALL up and down the flight path - but which is the correct flight path? Witnesses and more witnesses all along the Flight path - ignored, liars or real sitings?

Too many different stories out there of she said and he said - time to air them in Public and I don't mean this forum.

I had told the FBI they needed to re-interview a certain person and they never did! for the FBI.

Georger:
I am waiting for your answer...you repeated something similar about information NOT available before. This last time you were SPECIFIC and we (perhaps only I) await your answer.

If you can make qualified statements like this - WHO are you REALLY and what is you level of access to the FBI Files? OR
are you pretending to have this authority when you have absolutely NO access to any information NOT available to the general public?

You know how to reach me on my private email and I do NOT mean the PM's in the thread. IF you can speak with so much authority and claim to know so much - IDENTIFY yourself and how you are connected to this old crime.

STOP THE HARRASSMENT NOW.

Or this time I will do something about it and have you turned off.

There is only one R in harassment. BTW, are you threatening her?

I knew when you offered to help her you would be stirring her up. Your role here is well known ...
and documented.

Leave her alone. What the hell is the matter with you? My role? WTF? Have me "turned off" along with Mrs. Weber. Just push that big button....

Is that a threat?

Nobody is bothering Jo Weber but herself and you.

And this is the end of this bullshit, Bob Knoss, or
whatever clone of Knoss you are.

[airtwardo 7]

Or this time I will do something about it and have you turned off.

Waiter....check please!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Farflung 0]

Face it 377, no one’s going to admit ‘it’ so you have to take an active role in guiding (manipulating) people’s decisions. I prefer to call it (parse) sharing the dream. The air of a BBQ is filled with the sweet aroma of the main course and works as the ultimate appetizer, so I would hold a meeting at the Hiller Aviation Museum where there happens to be a DC-3 in their hangar.

Add a little music into the mix to build a feeling of anticipation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N5M_E56pvE&feature=related

Yeah, that’s right. Assault those senses to the edge of sensory overload and hold ‘em there.

This means it is time to cue the tug to pull the DC-3 into full view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQXbtlbQX70&feature=related

Next is to appeal at the noble aspect of ‘Fallin Angels’ regarding the survival of these mighty aircraft with a little nostalgia (0:22-0:26).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is5ofSHZWTM

That was a true slice of Americana pie. “Watchin’ all the planes go by, some live, and others DIE” (0:40-0:47) and he wonders…… wah, wah, wah, wah, wonders……. Why?

This is where you set the hook. You directly infer that as a 1%ER they don’t have to let this plane die since you have the power of fractional ownership. Then just let them mill around the plane for a while with a little more mood music. Nothing subliminal cause that’s illegal and stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZqyJxf35U

You know, let them think without any pressure or influence as they tour that gleaming, sleek, big round engined, classic beauty that dominated the skies. Is she too much to handle for some?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crrS2YcqtEg&feature=related

Now you just collect the signed pledges and $999 while helping your fellow man more than they will ever admit. Jumping after hijacking the household account for that amount of money will make them feel just like DB Cooper. Who’s the victim here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKI91FtrhmA&feature=related

Just an example of how to market the good times ahead associated with ‘Fallin Angels’ and what a smack with a wet mackerel one feels after landing then slowly going back to their respective ‘realities’. Money well spent in my book.

[airtwardo 7]

Hey Flung, ya forgot the ones that I took!

Doubtful you'll ever see 3 of them in formation again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-QH7f1SSyo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLouO_bIL78


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDDKLGv31vs

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Farflung 0]

What can I say Airtwardo???

You’re the John Wayne of the airplane, the Gary Cooper of umm….. DB Cooper and the ’Potentate of All Things Great’.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-QH7f1SSyo

Three DC-3s in a formation flight over ‘merica with a jump that defines our national character(s); just the way I like it. That looked like the Hiller DC-3 (1:35-1:45). That grenade drop at (3:04-3:12) really adds a new dimension to ‘Spectator Sport’ while gliding past Old Glory (3:48-4:10) below circling fighter aircraft then landing with the ‘Star Spangled Banner’ playing is the cherry on top of a piping hot, slice of apple pie (code for freedom).

I salute you and every person involved in that performance. Truly spectacular and almost rivals my exciting life as an assistant insurance adjuster and Director of the HOA’s lawn length committee.

Please allow 377 to use your videos (with express written consent, whatever that is) for his formation of the ‘Fallin Angels LLC’ (which he may or may not be aware of his involvement thus far). I would join just to have ‘Farflung’ stenciled on the side of the plane and to take a ride up AND down once in a while, leaving just 99 others to sign up.

[airtwardo 7]

Thanks Flung, we do have our fun!

And in regard to the Fallen Angles nose-art ~ that not really a fair & accurate representation... the goat was only wounded.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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JO STATED;
Georger - you haven't answered my question about these so called "things" - the FBI supposedly removed from the composite presented to the media.


Blevins - REMEMBER KC had Hazel eyes - you cannot make Coopers Dark Brown Piercing Eyes just GO Away - unless the FBI changes their description.

Survey survey survey ALL up and down the flight path - but which is the correct flight path? Witnesses and more witnesses all along the Flight path - ignored, liars or real sitings?

Too many different stories out there of she said and he said - time to air them in Public and I don't mean this forum.

I had told the FBI they needed to re-interview a certain person and they never did! for the FBI.

Georger:
I am waiting for your answer...you repeated something similar about information NOT available before. This last time you were SPECIFIC and we (perhaps only I) await your answer.

If you can make qualified statements like this - WHO are you REALLY and what is your level of access to the FBI Files? OR are you pretending to have this authority when you have absolutely NO access to any information NOT available to the general public?

You know how to reach me on my private email and I do NOT mean the PM's in the thread. IF you can speak with so much authority and claim to know so much - IDENTIFY yourself and how you are connected to this old crime.

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GEORGER REPLIED with this quote below:

"STOP THE HARRASSMENT NOW.

Or this time I will do something about it and have you turned off."

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JO is NOT puzzled by Georger's Threat of turning her off, but what she actually expected:



TURNED OFF? All I have done is request you provide the same proof of your statement as you and others have required of me.

I have NOT harrassed you in any way what-so-ever...only requested of you - what you and others demand of me.

The next post I make to day may be my last one - because then you will know I know about the 71 incident. My proof of a cover-up? I guess that will get me Turned Off as you put it.

The Question One More Time:

What are the "things" - the FBI supposedly removed from the composite presented to the media and how do you know this? You are the one who made the statement - not me.

Exposed 1979 (Georger, figure that one out)!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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A long long time ago I tried to find out Who The Man Was in The Picture Attached to this post. The picture was one taken 1979 in Salt Lake City on the first day of the "Sentimental Journey" as I call it.

Extensive research and multi phone calls and letters produced NO results - BUT, now I will post it one more time. Remember this picture was a picture I was SET-UP to take while Duane left the area so he would not be seen.

Duane had wanted to go to Salt Lake before we went on to WA in 1979. He had been there many time as had I...no reason to go back. His total and only purpose was to find this man. The man worked in the Visitors Center the last wk of Sept or the first wk of Oct. He worked in the Left Wing of the Vistors Centre (this is the building I have been told we were in). Duane DID not want this man to see him! WHY? !!! ?

I took more than the one shot and the negatives are the ONLY negatives missing from 50 yrs of picture taking!!!!!! Duane had asked me where I put the negatives when I had the role developed - he had NEVER asked me a question like that before and this was a picture HE set me up to take and didn't want to be seen by the subject.

Many of you will recall in the thread that when I posted the circumstances involved in the taking of the photo, Georger got REALLY UPSET, just like he did about my questioning his knowledge of what was removed from the composites and how would he know that?

Was this photo INSURANCE and did he collect on that policy?

Salt Lake Photo Attached.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[airtwardo 7]

That guy sure has a set of ears on him!

Head looks like a Volkswagen with the doors open...

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Farflung 0]

Well, Mr. Stinky the skunk owner has found some of the money….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUeGvMKRDRM

Looks like he is very nice to post this video…. so that gives him a few credibility points there.

Plus he wants to notify a lawyer rather than the FBI which is mega points since it has been established how the FBI will lie and conspire and not properly investigate what is dropped right in their laps.

This guy seems pretty legit to me, but I’m a gambler and would bet it all on this production and ignore all the other claims which don’t have video or audio of any of their suspects. Posers.

He has VIDEO of M-O-N-E-Y which sure looks like Cooper’s and is more than has been produced on this thread. Try going outdoors and looking like this person instead of tearing him down.

[smokin99 0]

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Well, Mr. Stinky the skunk owner has found some of the money….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUeGvMKRDRM

Looks like he is very nice to post this video…. so that gives him a few credibility points there.

Plus he wants to notify a lawyer rather than the FBI which is mega points since it has been established how the FBI will lie and conspire and not properly investigate what is dropped right in their laps.

This guy seems pretty legit to me, but I’m a gambler and would bet it all on this production and ignore all the other claims which don’t have video or audio of any of their suspects. Posers.

He has VIDEO of M-O-N-E-Y which sure looks like Cooper’s and is more than has been produced on this thread. Try going outdoors and looking like this person instead of tearing him down.

Hmmmm.....The only treasurer signature that looks close to is Mary Ellen Withrow's. 1994 - 2001. Of course all I have is a cheap dollar store magnifying glass so I could be wrong.
But me thinks I smell a rat....scuse me... I meant skunk.... so I'm not gonna be betting the bologna money on this one.
Mr Stinky must be getting bored up there in SW Washington.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Mr. Stinky must be getting bored up there in SW Washington.

Mr. Stinky might be bored, but NO one will be bored when I get back from WA. Yeah! I am going again - just trying to get well enough to make the trip and hope I can postpone my next sugery for a while (at least make one more trip before I have to take the next step).

So much is happening so fast and I have to wait for other key individuals to be able to make the trip and others who live in WA to be available. No I AM NOT talking about the 40th Anniverary.

I do not have any "smart" remarks to make or any predictions. I asked for answers and this is my chance to get those answers. This is not media or any kind...and I will stay as low profile as I stayed on my last trip in Oct of 2010. One difference - this trip will be documented with witnesses and with their expertise and knowledge of the State of WA and OR.

I guess Georger is responsible for all of this happening because this is a result of his very recent statement below.

Georger's statement ""STOP THE HARRASSMENT NOW.

Or this time I will do something about it and have you turned off."

Both of the birds on those Bill Board Ads in the commercial aren't stupid. Those birds get lots a attention don't they?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Farflung 0]

Just pause the video at (1:27) and you can see his ‘L’ note was issued by Kansas City, Missouri which should be a ‘J’. Truly a rookie counterfeiter mistake if I could spot such an error.

http://www.minneapolisfed.org/community_education/teacher/pictures.cfm

See bottom of page for a complete list of FRBs and their associated letter designations.

The ‘Amazing Farflungini’ predicts that smokin99 has many notes with an ‘F’ in her possession. This is if she’s packing singles like the all seeing ‘Amazing Farflungini’.

[georger 247]

Many of you will recall in the thread that when I posted the circumstances involved in the taking of the photo, Georger got REALLY UPSET, just like he did about my questioning his knowledge of what was removed from the composites and how would he know that?

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Jo Weber's statement above is a total fabrication.
It never happened, because nobody posted any reply
for months about Jo's socalled Salty Lake City Photo,
because Jo kept forgetting to post the photo - from
April of 2008 clear until Nov 23rd of 2008 when she
finally did post the photo, and she even chided
everyone for not commenting about her photo
in the meantime saying, quote:

" By the way not one soul offered to help me find
any information regarding the picture of a man
wearing - a band suit, a flight suit, a guard uniform -
or in any way help me to tie that darn picture down
made in Salt Lake City in 1979. "

So Jo's allegation above is total nonsense and a
contrived fabrication, as regards me or anyone else!

I finally posted two brief posts on the matter on
Dec 24th and 26th 2008, and that is all I ever
posted on this matter, first introduced by Jo on April
15th, 2008 .

You owe me an apology, Jo Weber!

I can supply all relevant posts in this matter
upon request.

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[Orange1 0]

Ah Georger, never mind, you are not the first and won't be the last person Jo has accused of getting "really upset" about things when the posts read pretty ordinary to everyone else.

I was rather amused at her demanding answers from you in red!!!!!!!!! As though you are some skivvy ... as though Jo bothers to answer 98% of what other people ask her ...!!!!


Edit: i was typing "null hypothesis" in a doc and mistyped (adjacent key) as "bull hypothesis" ... which made me think of this thread

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[georger 247]

Until a few days ago (to my knoweldge) Jo Weber
had never posted a full head-to-toe photo of
Duane Weber, and none is available at Google
except for one small prison photo of Duane which
does not show his shoes. Finally Jo posted a full
photo and something caught several people's
attention -

Jo has always said Duane had a bad knee injured,
she said, in an airplane accident, or from bailing out
of an airplane? Otherwise, Jo has always told us
Duane was in perfect health and fit and atheletic.
But, the photo Jo posted several days ago is strange
in several respects. The photo appears to show
Duane's 'bad knee', or something else.

Photo No.1 is a prison photo of Duane at Canon City
(I guess). Note his left leg lagging slightly behind
the right in the side view and his slightly bent
posture. In his frontal view note how Duane's right
leg appears straight but there is slack in his left leg.
Maybe its just me or distortion in the poor quality
photo, or the way Duane was being forced to stand?

Now look at Photos No.2 titled Paperlegs. I chose
the title Paperlegs because that is the word Jo used
for one of Duane's supposed unamed (unfindable)
friends. Note Duane's posture and of the position of
his left leg in both photos at different ages. Duane's
posture and his leg position do not look normal in
these photos. Some hip or knee issue looks
possible. Perhaps this is an illustration of Duane's
'bad knee' showing itself. Or perhaps it is something
more, and even of a congental nature?

The postures seen in photo No 2. do not appear to
fall within the normal range, for "Paperlegs".

Now look at photo No. 3, Duane's beach pose. The
same posture & balance issue are there.

The problem is, Photo No.2 shows a left knee
bending backward beyond the normal range of
articulation for knees. This could suggest a hip
issue or one leg longer than the other from birth -
something more than just a bad knee. Issues of this
kind show themselves not just in posture but in a
person's gate.

Not one witness in the Cooper case, who saw Cooper
at the airport, at the ticket counter, standing in line,
walking on to the airplane, or in the airplane seated
or standing or moving around - reported anything
out of the ordinary in the person's posture, gate, or
mobility. Not one thing. And Cooper was middle
aged.

One of the photos attached shows Duane near mid
age?

Chart 1BY3 attached shows how hip rotator
displacement (congenital) can affect posture and
balance, and leg-weight distribution, not unlike that
shown in Duane's photos?

If Duane had congenital issues of this kind it could
account for some of his behavioral issues, trying to
compensate and appear normal (or better than
normal), especially in his ability to perform in
military service if he squeaked through a superficial
physical exam only to find out he really could not
perform normally ... its just a quesrtion which has
bugged me about Duane from the start.

Maybe Jo knows more.

[georger 247]

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Ah Georger, never mind, you are not the first and won't be the last person Jo has accused of getting "really upset" about things when the posts read pretty ordinary to everyone else.

I was rather amused at her demanding answers from you in red!!!!!!!!! As though you are some skivvy ... as though Jo bothers to answer 98% of what other people ask her ...!!!!


Edit: i was typing "null hypothesis" in a doc and mistyped (adjacent key) as "bull hypothesis" ... which made me think of this thread

Thanks..

[377 22]

I reviewed the photo of the mfr data panel. 1946, clear as can be. If anyone jumped that chute in 1945 they deserved a Nobel Prize in physics.

NB6 and NB8 rigs have Capewell fittings for riser attachment. If the FBI would post a photo of the metal fittings on the ends of the Amboy chute risers we might be able to rule out the chute as having been in Cosseys bailout rig. If it doesn't have Capewell hardware it isn't the canopy that was in the bailout rig. The Navy bailout rigs had Capwells so that pilots could cut away the canopy after landing and avoid being dragged by winds.

I don't think it's Cooper's chute based on age. Nobody with any sense would bet their life on a non ripstop 1946 canopy in the 70s when brand new ripstop C9s could be bought for prices well under $100. I saw a bunch of them for as little as $25 in the 70s. Swapping Capewell equipped canopies in a rig during repack is dirt simple and takes less than a minute.

Did the FBI actually claim that this 1946 chute might have been jumped in 1945? Show me.

Still, we don't have a credible explanation for how the Amboy chute ended up where it did.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Robert99 50]

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I reviewed the photo of the mfr data panel. 1946, clear as can be. If anyone jumped that chute in 1945 they deserved a Nobel Prize in physics.

NB6 and NB8 rigs have Capewell fittings for riser attachment. If the FBI would post a photo of the metal fittings on the ends of the Amboy chute risers we might be able to rule out the chute as having been in Cosseys bailout rig. If it doesn't have Capewell hardware it isn't the canopy that was in the bailout rig. The Navy bailout rigs had Capwells so that pilots could cut away the canopy after landing and avoid being dragged by winds.

I don't think it's Cooper's chute based on age. Nobody with any sense would bet their life on a non ripstop 1946 canopy in the 70s when brand new ripstop C9s could be bought for prices well under $100. I saw a bunch of them for as little as $25 in the 70s. Swapping Capewell equipped canopies in a rig during repack is dirt simple and takes less than a minute.

Did the FBI actually claim that this 1946 chute might have been jumped in 1945? Show me.

Still, we don't have a credible explanation for how the Amboy chute ended up where it did.

377

377, You are mistaken about the 1970 era NB6 parachutes having Capewell hardware. I owned an NB6 in early November 1971, the same month Cooper made his jump, and it absolutely did not have Capewell releases.

I have never seen an NB8 to my knowledge but doubt if they had Capewells either.

I have been told by personnel in the Portland, OR area who are experienced parachutists and riggers, that the NB6 Cooper used did not have Capewells and that the shroud lines were sewn into the risers.

This means that the only connections between the canopy and the harness consisted of seperable link hardware components along the line of those shown in the lower right hand corner of page 245 of Para-Gears 2011-2012 Catalog No. 76.

Basically, the only unusual hardware on the harness of NB6 parachutes in the 1970 era was "quick release" fasterners for the leg and chest straps. That type hardware is no longer used since it can be opened accidentally. Somewhere in the 1980s, I was told by a parachute manufacturer who was working up a special rig for me that he would not put such fasterners on any of his products.

Robert Nicholson