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QuoteCan someone show me proof that Cooper looked at the packing data card on the main rig he jumped? Is this urban legend started by a book author or fact?
The packing card holder on an NB6 is exceedingly well concealed. A jumper or a rigger could find it but a Wuffo wouldn't even know it was there. If Cooper did look at the card he was parachute savvy.
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377, See Tosaw's book pages 32 ff and 69 ff, possibly other pages.
The statement about the rigger's card is in the second complete paragraph from the bottom of page 69. Notice the first sentence of that paragraph, just before the sentence about the rigger's card. I definitely thank the first sentence needs some clarification.
Also, as a personal favor to me and others, could you get a bill through the US Congress outlawing the publication of books that don't contain indicies? It would save the human race a lot of time and frustration.
Robert Nicholson
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Maybe Cooper and McCoy knew each other, but the element of surprise would be lost after the first hi-jacking.
McCoy's jump seemed to be better planned. Cooper was taking a big chance of not being able to get any money from a bank since his hi-jacking was late in the afternoon with the next day being a banking holiday due to Thanksgiving.
I don't know when the bank vaults were scheduled to be locked, but I doubt if anyone was going to hang around late on Thanksgiving eve. After that, it would be Friday morning before the vaults could be opened.
Robert Nicholson
QuoteTo my knowledge, this has never been brought up here before. Interesting.
OH yes it has - try Ruby Ridge and Salt Lake City and Virginia Bch, Va where McCoy died. What was Duane's connection to Salt Lake - the answer is in the picture NO one CAN address. This was NOT just a man - this man had something to do with Duane's past and the man would have recognized Duane had Duane been the one taking to the picture. Duane just disappeared and they he wants to know where the negatives to the pictures are when I got them developed.
I told him in the Safe where I always put the negatives. Out of 50 yrs of pictures those are the ONLY negatives missing.
Did the man in the Picture Know Mc Coy - probably. Did the man in the picture know Duane - definitely. WHY the HELL doesn't anyone ever listen - I have harped and harped on this for yrs and yrs. THE MAN in the PICTURE is a KEY. I tried to find out who the man was - and SALT LAKE CITY will not give up its secrets.
Duane talked about things and this was ONE of them. RUBY RIDGE. SALT LAKE CITY.
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QuoteQuoteCan someone show me proof that Cooper looked at the packing data card on the main rig he jumped? Is this urban legend started by a book author or fact?
The packing card holder on an NB6 is exceedingly well concealed. A jumper or a rigger could find it but a Wuffo wouldn't even know it was there. If Cooper did look at the card he was parachute savvy.
377
377, See Tosaw's book pages 32 ff and 69 ff, possibly other pages.
The statement about the rigger's card is in the second complete paragraph from the bottom of page 69. Notice the first sentence of that paragraph, just before the sentence about the rigger's card. I definitely thank the first sentence needs some clarification.
Also, as a personal favor to me and others, could you get a bill through the US Congress outlawing the publication of books that don't contain indicies? It would save the human race a lot of time and frustration.
Robert Nicholson
I knrew it was in a book, thanks for reminding me it was in Towsaw's. Still, is it fact or an author's flourish to spice up a story?
If it's fact, it tells us a LOT about Cooper and in my opinion it tells us he was parachute savvy. No Wuffo would know about packing data cards or where to look for them in a military rig. Cooper might have been looking to see what kind of canopy was in the NB6 container. If it was a 24 ft military canopy he might have (wisely) opted for the sport rig. A 26 ft Navy conical would have been OK. A 28 ft. C9 round is a nearly ideal high speed deployment canopy and big enough to give you a chance of an injury free landing. If I thought I might be opening at speeds in excess of 150 mph I'd have picked the C9. Sport chutes of that era were actually labled with warnings not to open at speeds exceeding 150 mph.
I just we had some independent verification of the packing card inspection by Cooper. Is it in a witness interview summary?
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Robert99 50
QuoteQuoteQuoteCan someone show me proof that Cooper looked at the packing data card on the main rig he jumped? Is this urban legend started by a book author or fact?
The packing card holder on an NB6 is exceedingly well concealed. A jumper or a rigger could find it but a Wuffo wouldn't even know it was there. If Cooper did look at the card he was parachute savvy.
377
377, See Tosaw's book pages 32 ff and 69 ff, possibly other pages.
The statement about the rigger's card is in the second complete paragraph from the bottom of page 69. Notice the first sentence of that paragraph, just before the sentence about the rigger's card. I definitely thank the first sentence needs some clarification.
Also, as a personal favor to me and others, could you get a bill through the US Congress outlawing the publication of books that don't contain indicies? It would save the human race a lot of time and frustration.
Robert Nicholson
I knrew it was in a book, thanks for reminding me it was in Towsaw's. Still, is it fact or an author's flourish to spice up a story?
If it's fact, it tells us a LOT about Cooper and in my opinion it tells us he was parachute savvy. No Wuffo would know about packing data cards or where to look for them in a military rig. Cooper might have been looking to see what kind of canopy was in the NB6 container. If it was a 24 ft military canopy he might have (wisely) opted for the sport rig. A 26 ft Navy conical would have been OK. A 28 ft. C9 round is a nearly ideal high speed deployment canopy and big enough to give you a chance of an injury free landing. If I thought I might be opening at speeds in excess of 150 mph I'd have picked the C9. Sport chutes of that era were actually labled with warnings not to open at speeds exceeding 150 mph.
I just we had some independent verification of the packing card inspection by Cooper. Is it in a witness interview summary?
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The information apparently came from Tina during an interview after the hi-jacking was all over. As I mentioned earlier, the sentence before the one about the rigger's card definitely needs some further explanation.
However, even if Tina didn't know what a rigger's card was, and even if she had never seen a parachute before, she could easily say something like "Cooper pulled this small card out of a pocket in the parachute and looked at it". And that statement could stand on its on.
Robert Nicholson
Robert99 50
QuoteQuoteCan someone show me proof that Cooper looked at the packing data card on the main rig he jumped? Is this urban legend started by a book author or fact?
The packing card holder on an NB6 is exceedingly well concealed. A jumper or a rigger could find it but a Wuffo wouldn't even know it was there. If Cooper did look at the card he was parachute savvy.
377
377, See Tosaw's book pages 32 ff and 69 ff, possibly other pages.
The statement about the rigger's card is in the second complete paragraph from the bottom of page 69. Notice the first sentence of that paragraph, just before the sentence about the rigger's card. I definitely thank the first sentence needs some clarification.
Also, as a personal favor to me and others, could you get a bill through the US Congress outlawing the publication of books that don't contain indicies? It would save the human race a lot of time and frustration.
Robert Nicholson
Amazon and 377, I understand that each of you own jumpable NB6 chutes.
I also owned an NB6 in early November 1971 (about three weeks before the hi-jacking) that was about 10-15 years old at that time.
Today, I can't remember where the packing card was located although I never had any trouble finding it. I also can't remember if the shroud lines were packed horizontally or vertically at the sides of the container.
I now own an NB6 container that was manufactured in 1988. This container has a pocket on each side of the upper and bottom flaps that are obviously for use with a packing tool to push the flaps into position during a repack. There are no other pockets on this container that could serve as a packing card pocket.
So first, just where was the packing card pocket located on the pre-1971 NB6 chutes?
Secondly, were the shroud lines in the pre-1971 chutes stowed vertically at the edges of the container? That is the way they are to be stowed in the 1988 container.
Robert Nicholson
QuoteBruce see if you can address the question inserts in red I made - these are things I have asked before and never got answers to.
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I did, about two years ago. He refused to be interviewed in person even though he lives just a few miles away. As a result, the interview I had was conducted over the phone, and lasted about 30 minutes.
"Coss," as he prefers, was hard to get ahold of, and took a couple weeks. However, he had been on vacation for part of that time.
He was coy with me regarding the chutes on the plane, as has been discussed here a while back.
He told me defintively that the Amboy chute was not a DBC chute. In fact, Coss told me that Danny jumped with Coss' own personal chute, and Coss is convinced that Cooper died in a no-pull because the NB8/6 that he used had been extensively modified.
Question insert - Jumped with Cossey's personal chute, but does NO rule out this was the canvas in the dummy chute
As I recall, the rip cord had an unusal angle to it, and Coss described it as a hard pull. Further, the 28-foot NB-8 chute was stuffed into an NB-6 bag for reasons that are unknown to me.
Question insert - I understand it was a LEFT hand pull which would have been what Cooper needed if it was Weber. Weber was left handed.
Coss also told me that the FBI wanted to milk the Amboy chute controversary and get more media mileage out of it. Coss said that when the feds brought the chute to his house for examination and he told them in "two seconds" that it wasn't a Cooper chute, they then instructed him to "keep that information quiet for awhile, please." I was led to believe that the FBI wanted to impress the public with their diligence in the case, even though the chute was a false lead.
I posted an extensive report on my interview with Cossey here on the DZ about two years ago.
Also, Coss spoke to me in an even and cordial manner. He did not seem "put out" that yet one more journalist was calling for his time. Also, I spoke a couple times with his adult daughter, who was also amiable and gracious. I was surprised when my suggestion that I come over for an interview was denied.
QuoteYes, as I recall, it was a left-hand pull.
As for the reserve chute, we didn't talk much about it, so I have no information about its material.
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QuoteProbably because I’m not much of a cook, at least not in the kitchen if ya know whatta mean.
The reviews keep accumulating for Gray’s book on Amazon.com and the latest batch simply slays me.
One reviewer outlined some of the finer investigative research which attracts certain types of higher level thinkers into the Cooper vortex. He describes how the author is sitting in a cabin in unwashed clothes and begging a woman he (Gray) describes as ‘off her rocker’, to read him a cherry cheesecake recipe over the phone, because there may be a coded message about the location of the money or the identity of Cooper.
Fortunately, I keep a spare pair of pants around for seeing just such a passage would induce bladder failure on any unsuspecting reader. A secret message in a cookbook that ‘may’ have contained a childhood picture of Tina??? Dayumm.
Vicki. Thanks for the recitations. Didnt mean to put to so much work. However, not one thing about bank vaults, so let's let this pass... cauze I dont want you
slaving through more searches.
Geof Gray called today early. Says he's ok. He
thanked me and asked me to express thanks to
others here also who have wished him well, so I will
call Geof back when things settle down. Bottom line
is: Geof is ok. He was driving in Arkansas on a
mission when he called. He sounded good.
G.
QuoteHe describes how the author is sitting in a cabin in unwashed clothes and begging a woman he (Gray) describes as ‘off her rocker’, to read him a cherry cheesecake recipe over the phone, because there may be a coded message about the location of the money or the identity of Cooper.
Are you kidding or what? I did discuss the book with the picture of a child I think is Tina in it and there was a recipe for "cherry cheesecake" in handwriting that could have belonged to the owner. There was NO mention of any coded message here - so I really hope he didn't say something like that or that I am off my rocker.
The handwriting is distinctive.
There is also another recipe written in the same handwriting.
If this is really in his book - then he and I will be having some very serious discussion - because I never ever thought there might be a coded message.
All of this because I think the little girl in the picture is Tina.
The little girl in the book is referred to as Tina - pronounced Teena. The book was very specific on that. I found the author and she said she just liked the name Tina and that Tina was no relation to her. She was in her mid 90's when I found her. There were only 3000 issue of that book and she was very surprised one copy ended up in FL.
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QuoteQuoteCan someone show me proof that Cooper looked at the packing data card on the main rig he jumped? Is this urban legend started by a book author or fact?
The packing card holder on an NB6 is exceedingly well concealed. A jumper or a rigger could find it but a Wuffo wouldn't even know it was there. If Cooper did look at the card he was parachute savvy.
377
377, See Tosaw's book pages 32 ff and 69 ff, possibly other pages.
The statement about the rigger's card is in the second complete paragraph from the bottom of page 69. Notice the first sentence of that paragraph, just before the sentence about the rigger's card. I definitely thank the first sentence needs some clarification.
Also, as a personal favor to me and others, could you get a bill through the US Congress outlawing the publication of books that don't contain indicies? It would save the human race a lot of time and frustration.
Robert Nicholson
Indeces are invaluable and the presence of one
(or not) may indicate something about the nature of
the work being presented? They take extra effort.
Vicki - I don't go to face book.
I did go there after I was told about his site, but none of that was there then. He has refined his story which he developed over a period of ys...even adding addresses. Geoffry spent some time with him and that blew his only chance of ever talking to the co-pilot.
I have the orginal posts Knoss did to me and he was maintaing that Duane and McCoy were FBI agent and in S.Africa - WAY out stuff....there was a Weber and a McCoy there but they were NOT the Weber or McCoy.
He sure has refined his story except he has some real problems - McCoy was not in MO during that time that I am aware of.
You do know he claimed that McCoy was alive for many yrs after his supposed death. You know he claimed McCoy called him many times. He speaks to the dead????????
Used to send me weird pictures claiming they were pictures of McCoy! ???
He incriminated many people in his story - but, he sure as hell has refined it. Such as when I asked him about Tommy G and then a few months later he has taken Tommy G as his own and had a story about him.
Tommy G existed and is now decease - I met the man and he knew Duane as John Collins.
I did go there after I was told about his site, but none of that was there then. He has refined his story which he developed over a period of ys...even adding addresses. Geoffry spent some time with him and that blew his only chance of ever talking to the co-pilot.
I have the orginal posts Knoss did to me and he was maintaing that Duane and McCoy were FBI agent and in S.Africa - WAY out stuff....there was a Weber and a McCoy there but they were NOT the Weber or McCoy.
He sure has refined his story except he has some real problems - McCoy was not in MO during that time that I am aware of.
You do know he claimed that McCoy was alive for many yrs after his supposed death. You know he claimed McCoy called him many times. He speaks to the dead????????
Used to send me weird pictures claiming they were pictures of McCoy! ???
He incriminated many people in his story - but, he sure as hell has refined it. Such as when I asked him about Tommy G and then a few months later he has taken Tommy G as his own and had a story about him.
Tommy G existed and is now decease - I met the man and he knew Duane as John Collins.
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Robert Stated:
Note the below are from several posts and communications and the more I hear the more confused I get.
I asked if they had kept a record of the number. She said probably, but she would have to check the office phone. However, the call was recorded, since it was actually a voice mail. I am going to want a copy of this call, and the number if possible. She agreed to this.
There is more to life than the Cooper case, you know. I will withhold any further comments until I see the phone number and listen to the call tomorrow.
I will let you listen to the voice mail tomorrow night. He rattled on about dropzone.com and how you are bad mouthing the FBI and high profile people are upset
I'm going to run every single one of those phone numbers until I find out who made the call. And you can be assured I WILL find out.
I think I will play a recording of the call for the audience to begin the show. No kidding. I think it's appropriate here. It will more than demonstrate the controversy surrounding the Cooper case and make a great opener.
The caller did NOT make any threats. Mostly, he rambled on about how I was using the Adventures in Literature event to push a DB Cooper suspect, that I trashed the Seattle FBI a lot, and that I had pissed off a few higher-level investigators in the case.
The caller mentioned Dropzone several times.
After thinking about it for a day, I decided that if no more if these calls came in, I would forget the whole thing. But if another one came in, I would have the phone number that Connie gave me run to find out whom it belonged to, and then make that information public.
I didn't take a recording of the voice mail. Connie, the director of Good Old Days, gets a hundred messages a day and I didn't want to waste her time.
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Do you have the phone number or do you not?
Did YOU hear the recording or not?
Did you get a copy of the recording or NOT?
This is all very confusing because first you did and then you didn't. What is the REAL story and why do I get conflicting things out of the posts you have made in reference to this incident?
Either you have the phone number or you don't. Either you or they have a recording or not.
First it is a big to do requiring extra security - you talk like you have the recording and then you don't.
Sorry I just don't get it, but remember I am I have Dumb Blonde Sydrome so most things just go right over my head.
Note the below are from several posts and communications and the more I hear the more confused I get.
I asked if they had kept a record of the number. She said probably, but she would have to check the office phone. However, the call was recorded, since it was actually a voice mail. I am going to want a copy of this call, and the number if possible. She agreed to this.
There is more to life than the Cooper case, you know. I will withhold any further comments until I see the phone number and listen to the call tomorrow.
I will let you listen to the voice mail tomorrow night. He rattled on about dropzone.com and how you are bad mouthing the FBI and high profile people are upset
I'm going to run every single one of those phone numbers until I find out who made the call. And you can be assured I WILL find out.
I think I will play a recording of the call for the audience to begin the show. No kidding. I think it's appropriate here. It will more than demonstrate the controversy surrounding the Cooper case and make a great opener.
The caller did NOT make any threats. Mostly, he rambled on about how I was using the Adventures in Literature event to push a DB Cooper suspect, that I trashed the Seattle FBI a lot, and that I had pissed off a few higher-level investigators in the case.
The caller mentioned Dropzone several times.
After thinking about it for a day, I decided that if no more if these calls came in, I would forget the whole thing. But if another one came in, I would have the phone number that Connie gave me run to find out whom it belonged to, and then make that information public.
I didn't take a recording of the voice mail. Connie, the director of Good Old Days, gets a hundred messages a day and I didn't want to waste her time.
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Do you have the phone number or do you not?
Did YOU hear the recording or not?
Did you get a copy of the recording or NOT?
This is all very confusing because first you did and then you didn't. What is the REAL story and why do I get conflicting things out of the posts you have made in reference to this incident?
Either you have the phone number or you don't. Either you or they have a recording or not.
First it is a big to do requiring extra security - you talk like you have the recording and then you don't.
Sorry I just don't get it, but remember I am I have Dumb Blonde Sydrome so most things just go right over my head.
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QuoteI now own an NB6 container that was manufactured in 1988. This container has a pocket on each side of the upper and bottom flaps that are obviously for use with a packing tool to push the flaps into position during a repack. There are no other pockets on this container that could serve as a packing card pocket.
So first, just where was the packing card pocket located on the pre-1971 NB6 chutes?
Secondly, were the shroud lines in the pre-1971 chutes stowed vertically at the edges of the container? That is the way they are to be stowed in the 1988 container.
My NB6 was modified for sport jumping so the lines were stowed on the deployment sleeve not on bands inside the container. I dont recall exactly where the packing card was stowed but I do recall it was quite well concealed. I owned the rig for months before I found that it had a flap/slit into which a packing card was inserted. It wasn't obvious like the USAF B 12 rigs.
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EVickiW 0
QuoteYou do know he claimed that McCoy was alive for many yrs after his supposed death. You know he claimed McCoy called him many times. He speaks to the dead????????
Used to send me weird pictures claiming they were pictures of McCoy! ???
I copied and pasted Knoss's "stories" that were on Facebook (because it was easy)...Knoss really didn't get into his story on this thread. I did it because Georger and the rest of us really never paid attention to the stories Knoss fabricated. It had nothing to do with you....Just put his ramblings out there for all to dissect..
Here is the picture Knoss put on Facebook. The picture he uses to compare McCoy to "old McCoy" is Henry Sellick. I think he is a producer. Someone called him out on Facebook and Knoss quit posting shortly after.
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
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QuoteQuoteYou do know he claimed that McCoy was alive for many yrs after his supposed death. You know he claimed McCoy called him many times. He speaks to the dead????????
Used to send me weird pictures claiming they were pictures of McCoy! ???
I copied and pasted Knoss's "stories" that were on Facebook (because it was easy)...Knoss really didn't get into his story on this thread. I did it because Georger and the rest of us really never paid attention to the stories Knoss fabricated. It had nothing to do with you....Just put his ramblings out there for all to dissect..
Here is the picture Knoss put on Facebook. The picture he uses to compare McCoy to "old McCoy" is Henry Sellick. I think he is a producer. Someone called him out on Facebook and Knoss quit posting shortly after.
That's very interesting Vicki. Thanks for the hard work. The one thing I noticed about Knoss here was his creativity. Of course he bypassed vital questions
or would respond with the exact wrong answer. In
cases like this I try to ask questions I know the answers to (or think I do). Knoss was a comedian.
But it got very tiresome.
You have a good head on your shoulders. Thanks!
G.
QuoteQuoteI now own an NB6 container that was manufactured in 1988. This container has a pocket on each side of the upper and bottom flaps that are obviously for use with a packing tool to push the flaps into position during a repack. There are no other pockets on this container that could serve as a packing card pocket.
So first, just where was the packing card pocket located on the pre-1971 NB6 chutes?
Secondly, were the shroud lines in the pre-1971 chutes stowed vertically at the edges of the container? That is the way they are to be stowed in the 1988 container.
My NB6 was modified for sport jumping so the lines were stowed on the deployment sleeve not on bands inside the container. I dont recall exactly where the packing card was stowed but I do recall it was quite well concealed. I owned the rig for months before I found that it had a flap/slit into which a packing card was inserted. It wasn't obvious like the USAF B 12 rigs.
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The Navy trained Chute packers who were NOT jumpers and the same with the Forestry and/or Smoke Jumpers. A picture Duane showed me in a book showed the room that chutes were packed in, but since EVERYONE has told me Duane Weber had nothing to do with Forestry and Smoke-jumpers I just did not talk about it.
When there was a BIG fire sometime between 1988 and 1995 we were watching TV and DUANE wanted to WATCH the program and the news about a Forest FIRE out West. He told me he used to know some of the guys who used to work in this area. It was during this same time he said something else about himself, but since I could NOT clearly remember it I never told it. I do remember his telling me about Back Fires and Blow Outs during the programs.
I am telling you the FBI did NOT search DUANE's background throughly enough. I know they didn't. I know from the intent he followed this incident he had personal relationships involved.
I knew nothing about Cooper at this time and I knew Duane had a past. I may have asked some questions but do not remember.
I knew nothing about his past other than what he volunteered.
If I did ask question - he was very good at steering the conversation in another direct.
Actually I did NOT ask a lot of questions.
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I copied and pasted Knoss's "stories" that were on Facebook (because it was easy)...Knoss really didn't get into his story on this thread. I did it because Georger and the rest of us really never paid attention to the stories Knoss fabricated. It had nothing to do with you....Just put his ramblings out there for all to dissect..
Here is the picture Knoss put on Facebook. The picture he uses to compare McCoy to "old McCoy" is Henry Sellick. I think he is a producer. Someone called him out on Facebook and Knoss quit posting shortly after.
There would have been NO reason for Knoss to mention me so I am glad he didn't. Rambling is the right word, but most of what you posted he created from conversations he and I had. I have old phone calls and post from him were what he tells me has NO details.
Every time I would mention something or someone from Duane's past - he created a character. His story became so overwhelming with his "new" stuff he would have after he and I had talked on the phone. I had to stop it - and I was careful regarding what I sent him.
I would do an email with truths and lies in it - to see what he would do with that story. I would copy and paste the email to Doug Pasternac. Sure enough about 3 months later Knoss would incorporate the FALSE item into his story or the individuals(fake and real) I would tell him about. I finally just STOPPED! It got ridiculous.
I only know that Knoss at some point in his life did meet Duane and his "lady", but outside of that I can't begin to know. The ex-wife did tell me they were in Bloomington for about 6 wks - 2 months and that she had forgot to mention this because they were on the run and it was for just a short time. Neither accounting agreed upon a time.
Knoss's accounting put them there while Duane was in prison.
Her's put them there afterward.
BUT, her accounting of a WASHINGTON DC. meeting does NOT co-incide with the prison record either making some of what Knoss said a "maybe".
The convention Duane and his wife went to was verified by family members who remembered helping her to make the dress and the mink she "borrowed'. The convention hall per the wife was not too far from the White House. She was very "high" when she was rambling about this. Later when I asked for clarification - she seemed to not remember all she told me....so maybe it was alcohol talking.
Of course, Now I know such a conventions did occur - but, Duane was supposedly in prison?
So how could I explain that one?
I couldn't but I did give this information to the FBI, but may only have done so by way of Mr. H. and or a "desk" agent. I now know that was a mistake on my part and that I should have sent them written notes regarding the new things I found.
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No, I don't have a recording of the call. I listened to it, that's all. I was offered a recording but I declined.
Yes, I do have the number. That's just for security, nothing else.
And I don't give a darn about the whole thing one way or another. I was angry about it at first. But I also let things go just as easily. I have moved on and I'm very busy.
I sent you some area codes and the last 2 digits of phone numbers for myself and others.
Did you get a match out of any of them? I know you were leaning very heavily toward one certain individual in a PM. I will have to believe one of the partial numbers was a match.
ex; area code 888 last 2 digits 12.
If none where a match - then it was a throw-away promotional gimmick.
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EVickiW 0
QuoteThere would have been NO reason for Knoss to mention me so I am glad he didn't.
Uh....yah......Maybe you should go to Facebook....DB Cooper page. You are mentioned a few times. I only copied and pasted a "few" of the many "ramblings".
I just posted it for information. I have read your numerous posts in this forum regarding his posts and they were all fabricated.
So we are off Knoss now? .....Thank you.
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
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QuoteThe Navy trained Chute packers who were NOT jumpers and the same with the Forestry and/or Smoke Jumpers. A picture Duane showed me in a book showed the room that chutes were packed in, but since EVERYONE has told me Duane Weber had nothing to do with Forestry and Smoke-jumpers I just did not talk about it.
True Jo, but packing isn't nearly the same as jumping. My mother was a civilian parachute packer during WW2. She didn't have a clue about how to jump. She was shocked at how sloppily skydivers packed their rounds. She had been taught that anything less than an absolutely perfect pack job would doom a military flyer to a malfunction and certain death.
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SeaFirst Bank, Seattle's once-most-prolific-bank, was usually open until 6PM. Funny note: also Puget Sound's most-robbed bank. They got hit so much it was becoming ridiculous.
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Very late, the afternoon of the day before a major
holiday Thanksgiving, was not a usual time or
"usual day", as you put it. Not in 1971. Staff were
let off early to go home. Cooper may have thought
the ransom could be obtained somehow, or he did
not think about it at all? How would KC and
Geestman have rationalised this, in your opinion?
Are you saying the execs and staff at SFB were a
bunch of schmucks for getting robbed frequently?
What's your point with that comment?
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Very late, the afternoon of the day before a major holiday Thanksgiving, was not a usual time or "usual day", as you put it. Not in 1971. Staff were
let off early to go home. Cooper may have thought the ransom could be obtained somehow, or he did not think about it at all? How would KC and Geestman have rationalised this, in your opinion?
Are you saying the execs and staff at SFB were a
bunch of schmucks for getting robbed frequently?
What's your point with that comment?
I always felt the difference was simply because of the writers and the way they understood what came down. Georger, what is the REAL truth about how and why there was a discrepancy in reporting this. Time? Misunderstanding?
All of this makes me REMEMBER the day in 1990 when I pulled the bag out of the cooler which acted as a console in the van,
I opened it enough to see the name of the BANK on the bag and when Duane got back in the car I ASKED. His reply when I asked about the bank - he told me then it was a bag from a bank in Seattle. I just thought it was part of something in a "lot" he bought for resell at the shop.
At that time I didn't have a clue and it was later that same wk I saw the stub with Sea-Tac on it (size of the old theater tickets). He tells me to throw it away and I did. But later I went to retrieve it and it was NOT in the waste basket. For some reason I do NOT remember why I went back - or what was going thru my mind.
At that time lots of mysterious things were going on while he stayed in the Travel Trailer at the shop. He came home the next wk or so where he remained until 1995 when he died in the hospital.
I would not see the airline ticket until 4 yrs later - but still I knew nothing about Cooper. I thought these things odd and the fact his replies where brief and to the point which left me no reason to pursue further conversation. I was a busy woman with my work which sometimes involved 10 hrs of field time...remembering actions or why were of little importance....but I remember them as I remember many things from the past.
I learned early on NOT to pursue conversations about stuff that seemed private. I knew Duane was secretive and for some reason I just never pursued questioning him about strange things. One he was VERY VERY good at diversion - regarding many many things. The second was my knowing his past was NOT part of our life...as long as I saw no wrong doing as I had in 1981/or early 1982. The time I was ordering a truck and packing and had NO idea where I was going.
It is so USELESS and I am so TIRED. I have tried over and dover and over to get someone to really listen to what I remember and tell me why. I wish I had NEVER found out who DAN COOOOPER was - my life could have been so much more productive and better. All of this "crap" got in the way of my life - but, something drove me and it was the memories of what I saw, what he told me and what I held in my hands...and my learning who Dan Coooper was.
Damn him and the day he told me "I'm Dan Coooper" and the day I found out who Dan Coooper was 1 yr and 2 months after he died. Damn Him - none of this is fair.! Why didn't I listen more carefully to what he was trying to tell me and about the stuff he had hid in the van? WHY? Sorry, more stress than I can handle today and even though the thread and others tell me to walk away - HOW do you WALK away from something you KNOW? If I for one moment thought I was "misinterperting" the past or that he was not Cooper - I would have walked away yrs and yrs ago.
P.S. Orange, I don't need any of your smart word about this - and for just once try to understand to put yourself in my shoes and you won't.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Nothing to say - It makes NO use what I say. NO one hears me. I speak and I say the words but the TREES have no EARS.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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