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Farflung prophetically quotes self:

“I know this is the same as shooting myself in the foot here….”

And lo and behold it came true! Man predictability is awesome. Why can’t I do it with lottery numbers…. Hmmm….

I foolishly (foolishly that is) assumed that technology had actually developed some DNA isolation techniques over the past few years. Can you imagine the raw luck experienced when a prostitute’s corpse (Green River Killer for example) is recovered and the only DNA extracted from her body is that of the killer? Good thing that killer was her first customer otherwise it would have remained a mystery forever. I should have considered this from the start. I’m just glad I was set straight before anything got weird or freaky on this thread.

That is what makes this the premier open pit for data mining.

What was I thinking? Of course the reserve lines were handled by hundreds of people over the years and the geography of the cut locations and gripping force would be the same as any other part of the reserve system.

But the tie, that was only handled by one person because clip on neckties are typically attached with salad tongs which have been sealed in plastic bags removed from an autoclave after being bathed in iodine. If only I had considered this simple fact since DNA was extracted from the tie which was never handled by anyone other than the owner. Yep, sales people, warehousemen, seamstresses, browsing customers, customers returning merchandise and cashiers would have never touched that tie and that is assuming it wasn’t purchased from a thrift store after being savagely worn by a well dressed jackhammer operator. This is yet another example of why my thirst for logic remains unquenched while others are perpetually drunk on the stuff.

The very suggestion that some sequence of markers which may (may that is; not will) with an uncertain origin could (could that is) be matched against a potential (potential that is) pool of markers from the cut line is simply too wild, theoretical and in an eccentric orbit to ever be of evidentiary value.

I pledge to keep the focus and the Cooper flame burning brightly on the perennial favorites of Special Ops, Coded Messages, Composite Sketch Dithering and One Up-manship.

“Tippy-canoe and georger too!”

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Farflung: Good thinking about the DNA as that would have not been a concern of DB's as it was not used in those days by the FBI. The DNA from the tie clasp could have been from DB's girl friend that dressed him the morning of the skyjacking. She could have placed the tie clasp in her mouth while putting the clip-on tie in place and then finally placing the tie clasp in place on the tie. DB could have possibly not touched the clasp and it would not have his DNA.

However, I believe that DNA will bust this case open when something with DB's DNA is found. Could it be the envelopes and/or stamps from the letters to the four Portland News papers would have DB's DNA? The cigarette butts would if they could be found or possibly the four envelopes are lost with the butts.

Maybe, Snowman can research the envelopes and find if the FBI could get DNA from the envelopes and/or stamps?

Snowman we need your help!

Bob

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Can you imagine the raw luck experienced when a prostitute’s corpse (Green River Killer for example) is recovered and the only DNA extracted from her body is that of the killer? Good thing that killer was her first customer otherwise it would have remained a mystery forever. I should have considered this from the start. I’m just glad I was set straight before anything got weird or freaky on this thread.



According to my independent research of the Green River Killer (I just finished an Intro to Forensic Science class).

The trace evidence of the automotive paint left on the victim, in addition to the DNA (bodily contact), led to his conviction. The company that did the trace evidence was called Microtrace in Elgin, Illinois. The lead technician, Sarah, was our instructor.
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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FARFLUNG YOU ABSOLUTELY OUT DID YOURSELF WITH THIS POST - BRAVO BRAVO clap clap clap

Your Post below up in lights - UP FRONT:

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“I know this is the same as shooting myself in the foot here….”

And lo and behold it came true! Man predictability is awesome. Why can’t I do it with lottery numbers…. Hmmm….

I foolishly (foolishly that is) assumed that technology had actually developed some DNA isolation techniques over the past few years. Can you imagine the raw luck experienced when a prostitute’s corpse (Green River Killer for example) is recovered and the only DNA extracted from her body is that of the killer? Good thing that killer was her first customer otherwise it would have remained a mystery forever. I should have considered this from the start. I’m just glad I was set straight before anything got weird or freaky on this thread.

That is what makes this the premier open pit for data mining.

What was I thinking? Of course the reserve lines were handled by hundreds of people over the years and the geography of the cut locations and gripping force would be the same as any other part of the reserve system.

But the tie, that was only handled by one person because clip on neckties are typically attached with salad tongs which have been sealed in plastic bags removed from an autoclave after being bathed in iodine. If only I had considered this simple fact since DNA was extracted from the tie which was never handled by anyone other than the owner. Yep, sales people, warehousemen, seamstresses, browsing customers, customers returning merchandise and cashiers would have never touched that tie and that is assuming it wasn’t purchased from a thrift store after being savagely worn by a well dressed jackhammer operator. This is yet another example of why my thirst for logic remains unquenched while others are perpetually drunk on the stuff.

The very suggestion that some sequence of markers which may (may that is; not will) with an uncertain origin could (could that is) be matched against a potential (potential that is) pool of markers from the cut line is simply too wild, theoretical and in an eccentric orbit to ever be of evidentiary value.

I pledge to keep the focus and the Cooper flame burning brightly on the perennial favorites of Special Ops, Coded Messages, Composite Sketch Dithering and One Up-manship.

“Tippy-canoe and georger too!”


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Did one of the letters contain this?
Something that is obviously a CODE?

7698QA2753

The writer supposedly only had months to live.

I cannot verify this nor can I find where it was sent from if it did exist.

But take the one I have typed:
7698QA2753

Then use 35608905 (a number for Weber).
Then use 283-56-96 (another number for Weber).

If the QA sequence is correct then figure it out. I already have, but who am I? Perhaps I have the number wrong or the number was intentionally given to mislead your truly.

Hint the # 7 is the QA sequencial.
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Yet another charming attribute I’ve been cursed with along with terminal BO combined with a compulsion to take and check my body temperature every hour, the ‘old fashioned’ way.

While always open to new OCDs and personality frailties, I still dream of trying to improve myself on some sort of intellectual basis. I must accept yet another soul depleting humiliation while bowing at the thrones of defeat and ridicule.

After exceeding 20,000 comments and ‘God only knows’ how many words, I sought a found a phrase that had not been used as of yet. But that was only half the battle as I so quickly discovered and realized my severe limitations.

Perhaps there is someone with the omnipotent wisdom required to find a way to apply this homeless ‘Phrase of the Day.’

But who?

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Did one of the letters contain this?
Something that is obviously a CODE?

7698QA2753

The writer supposedly only had months to live.

I cannot verify this nor can I find where it was sent from if it did exist.

But take the one I have typed:
7698QA2753

Then use 35608905 (a number for Weber).
Then use 283-56-96 (another number for Weber).

If the QA sequence is correct then figure it out. I already have, but who am I? Perhaps I have the number wrong or the number was intentionally given to mislead your truly.

Hint the # 7 is the QA sequencial.



Jo, Would you care to explain your hint? What do you mean "the # 7 is the QA sequencial"?

Robert Nicholson

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Did one of the letters contain this?
Something that is obviously a CODE?

7698QA2753

The writer supposedly only had months to live.

I cannot verify this nor can I find where it was sent from if it did exist.

But take the one I have typed:
7698QA2753

Then use 35608905 (a number for Weber).
Then use 283-56-96 (another number for Weber).

If the QA sequence is correct then figure it out. I already have, but who am I? Perhaps I have the number wrong or the number was intentionally given to mislead your truly.

Hint the # 7 is the QA sequencial.



Jo, Would you care to explain your hint? What do you mean "the # 7 is the QA sequencial"?

Robert Nicholson



Jo, You need to explain what your hint means? Otherwise, your post is meaningless.

The "7698QA2753" is probably nonsense. The only place this number can be found on the Internet is in that article that appeared in the LA Times on December 14, 1971.

As you have previously indicated in posts on this thread, the number "35608905" is probably Duane's Army serial number during World War II. That number may have a one or two letter prefix. Perhaps there is someone on this thread that is familiar with the Army serial number system from WW2.

As you have also previously indicated, the number "283-56-96" is probably Duane's Navy serial number during WW2. Perhaps there is also someone on this thread that is familiar with the Navy serial number system from WW2 and can explain it.

Of course, the above assumes that Duane served in both the Army and Navy at some point in the WW2 era. If he did serve in either the Army or Navy, you should be able to get some information from the Veterans Administration on his military service regardless of the type of discharge.

As far as your hint, I see no logic involved with the number 7. Again, can you explain what you mean by that hint.

Robert Nicholson

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The "7698QA2753" is probably nonsense. The only place this number can be found on the Internet is in that article that appeared in the LA Times on December 14, 1971



I needed to know if I had the number correct and when and where it was sent from - you answered that question and I need to know were it was post marked from...very very important..

Robert Stated:
[reply the number "35608905" is probably Duane's Army serial number during World War II.

As you have also previously indicated, the number "283-56-96" is probably Duane's Navy serial number



I edited you statement just to make it short. I have both the Army and the Navy number and they are as above. I have the military papers - remember that I was the one who had to PROVE to the FBI Duane was actually in the Army at Camp Siebert. Only after I put up resistance and produced proof did they acknowledge he was ever in the army. Letter written home to Mom. A government form showing he was in the army but WITHOUT and discharge date.

Then the FBI provides a discharge date - yet when I first went to records there WAS NO discharge date......?????????
Now the official records have been altered to agree with the FBI....I say altered because when I was sitting in the local VA office the Army record came up CLASSIFIED/ ACCESS DENIED. I have told this story before so I won't repeat it in its entirety.

The FBI had NO idea I had already been to the VA office. They had NO knowledge of my visit with the VA. SO I caught more discrepancies in the story they wanted me to believe.

I have done all of the steps before and after my talking to the FBI and I have told this story over and over before.

I do not know how to explain to you the sequence of numbers but I did it several ways and the odd man out was the 7's. Then I looked at the placement of the 7's and realized they were the turners (I do NOT know what coders call these things so forgive my ignorance).

The first 7 is followed by 698. this give you 96 and 89.

The second 7 step back for the number 2 and forward for the 35 in reverse. Using the 7's as turners you have Duane's Navy # and his Army number.

Remember zeros do not count in the code.

35608905
35 is the first but on the code 35 is reversed on the end.
89 is the being of the second set with the 0 being the turner making it 98. The second 0 is another turner followed by 5
pick up the five and take foruward and that give you 35.

You can do this with both serial numbers with the 7 as turners in the 7698QA2753 and 0 as the turners in the army number.
QA is simple Question/Answer?

He is presenting the Answer to who he is and challenges them with Quest to figure it out.

OKAY none of this will make any sense to anyone but me - I will be accused of grabbing for straws, but if I ever saw that group of numbers (or Code) sent to the FBI - I might have been having a Brain Fart day and this may be by far the biggest STINK I ever made. When I saw it I felt like I had seen it and it had been explained to me. Now EVEN I think I am delusional.

IT is like the other day when I was posting about N.Orleans - I suddenly remember something I had NOT been able to remember in all of these yrs - it had to do with why we were in N.Orleans and where we were going. This again involved someone who was high up the food chain - I did NOT think too much about Duane's involvement with certain individuals...but, I didn't really know who they were until I started investigating all of this Crap. My being 17 yrs younger than Duane - is why I have lived long enough to find the pieces.

The puzzle I keep putting together fits to well and only a few of the piece are forced. Maybe someone was chewing on them and warped them a little. So they actually fit, but feel forced. Whatever!

Some of you guys worked coding in the 60's and 70's - try using your knowledge the way I did common sense. Forget the coding post 1971 - only that used pre 1971.

The guys in prisons (state and military) set up pretty elaborate ways of communicating with each other that went over the heads of the guards. Prisoner of war were very astute at figuring out how to communicate in code.
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The "7698QA2753" is probably nonsense. The only place this number can be found on the Internet is in that article that appeared in the LA Times on December 14, 1971



I needed to know if I had the number correct and when and where it was sent from - you answered that question and I need to know were it was post marked from...very very important..

Robert Stated:
[reply the number "35608905" is probably Duane's Army serial number during World War II.

As you have also previously indicated, the number "283-56-96" is probably Duane's Navy serial number



I edited you statement just to make it short. I have both the Army and the Navy number and they are as above. I have the military papersYou said to me you did not have any of this stuff before why have it now? - remember that I was the one who had to PROVE to the FBI Duane was actually in the Army at Camp Siebert. Only after I put up resistance and produced proof did they acknowledge he was ever in the army. Letter written home to Mom. A government form showing he was in the army but WITHOUT and discharge date.

Then the FBI provides a discharge date - yet when I first went to records there WAS NO discharge date......?????????
Now the official records have been altered to agree with the FBI....I say altered because when I was sitting in the local VA office the Army record came up CLASSIFIED/ ACCESS DENIED. I have told this story before so I won't repeat it in its entirety.

The FBI had NO idea I had already been to the VA office. They had NO knowledge of my visit with the VA. SO I caught more discrepancies in the story they wanted me to believe.

I have done all of the steps before and after my talking to the FBI and I have told this story over and over before.

I do not know how to explain to you the sequence of numbers but I did it several ways and the odd man out was the 7's. Then I looked at the placement of the 7's and realized they were the turners (I do NOT know what coders call these things so forgive my ignorance).

The first 7 is followed by 698. this give you 96 and 89.

The second 7 step back for the number 2 and forward for the 35 in reverse. Using the 7's as turners you have Duane's Navy # and his Army number.

Remember zeros do not count in the code.

35608905
35 is the first but on the code 35 is reversed on the end.
89 is the being of the second set with the 0 being the turner making it 98. The second 0 is another turner followed by 5
pick up the five and take foruward and that give you 35.

You can do this with both serial numbers with the 7 as turners in the 7698QA2753 and 0 as the turners in the army number.
QA is simple Question/Answer?

He is presenting the Answer to who he is and challenges them with Quest to figure it out.

OKAY none of this will make any sense to anyone but me - I will be accused of grabbing for straws, but if I ever saw that group of numbers (or Code) sent to the FBI - I might have been having a Brain Fart day and this may be by far the biggest STINK I ever made. When I saw it I felt like I had seen it and it had been explained to me. Now EVEN I think I am delusional.

IT is like the other day when I was posting about N.Orleans - I suddenly remember something I had NOT been able to remember in all of these yrs - it had to do with why we were in N.Orleans and where we were going. This again involved someone who was high up the food chain - I did NOT think too much about Duane's involvement with certain individuals...but, I didn't really know who they were until I started investigating all of this Crap. My being 17 yrs younger than Duane - is why I have lived long enough to find the pieces.

The puzzle I keep putting together fits to well and only a few of the piece are forced. Maybe someone was chewing on them and warped them a little. So they actually fit, but feel forced. Whatever!

Some of you guys worked coding in the 60's and 70's - try using your knowledge the way I did common sense. Forget the coding post 1971 - only that used pre 1971.

The guys in prisons (state and military) set up pretty elaborate ways of communicating with each other that went over the heads of the guards. Prisoner of war were very astute at figuring out how to communicate in code.


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I did not really understand the logic/math/puzzle/riddle (pick one) the first time around.

Did not need to see it again.. ;).where is my ______________ (

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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Jo, The fastest way for you to get that article is to Goggle the "QA" number. You will probably get only one hit and that will be for the LA Times story.

According to the article, which was published on Tuesday, December 14, 1971, the letter was received by them on Monday, December 13, 1971, and that it had been mailed in Seattle the previous Friday, December 10, 1971.

Your explanation of how you massaged the numbers is very interesting and I will be back in a day or two with my reply to that. But don't get your hopes up.

A few additional questions:

1. Do you know if Duane served in the Army and then the Navy, or was it the Navy and then the Army?

2. Do you know if Duane was drafted or volunteered for service in the Army and/or Navy?

3. Do you have any prefixes or suffixes for either the Army or Navy serial numbers?

4. What was the date given by the FBI/VA for Duane's discharge from the Army? Do you know when Duane entered the Army?

5. Do you know the dates of service for Duane in the Navy?

6. Do you know the types of Discharges, or releases from service, that Duane received from the Army and Navy?

7. Do you know if Duane had a Military Occupational Speciality (MOS) in either the Army or Navy?

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Here we go again with this forum’s ‘authorita’ being mercilessly assaulted with differing views from archaeologists, biologists, doctors and guys with impressively large tweezers. According to this article:

http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-04/oldest-human-dna-found-americas

someone claims to have found some 14,000 year old human DNA in a….. uhh… preserved piece of history.

But I don’t like the smell of this story because some wicked, smart people from the internet (code for DZ.com) already said 40 year old DNA is hopelessly degraded and un-useable. But don’t be sad and develop long feces DZ experts, because there is still fresh hope on the horizon.

They go on to talk about the ancient Coprolites which were left behind in that cave. If only we could tap into the source of their wisdom we could solve so many of man’s problems today. Too bad the Coprolites died off because I think they would have fit in nicely with modern society and most on this thread would have warmly embraced them. Although there would have been some jealousy with several trying to show how they are bigger and smarter than the ancient Coprolites.

I still feel there are several members of the DBC thread who should be considered honorary Coprolites because of their tireless abilities to give of themselves. I’m sure they know who they are and represent the nation’s best and brightest of minds, because they will tell you this at the slightest opportunity.

Fourteen thousand three hundred year old DNA indeed. Sounds like a pile of gold bricks to me.

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'Three and a half years after filing with the class-action lawsuit against Menu Pet Foods, my little pittance arrived today. I used every penny to buy books for kids to pass out at the slideshows this August at the Auburn Avenue Theatre. That is not a joke. I deposited the check, and then I ordered the books. The hell with Menu Foods. They can bite me.

'Ginger' and 'Sophie' would have approved, I think.



That's very generous Robert.

I am sorry your cats died. China food adulteration killed kids too when a mfr added melamine to milk. I think the govt executed two men who they believed were responsible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28787126/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/t/face-execution-over-china-poison-milk-scandal/

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7698QA2753

Snow hijacked the BOINC distributed computing networks and has had them grinding on this code for months. So far nothing promising, but it takes time.

People who think they are helping in SETI research or saving the whales are really Snow's unknowing slaves.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/

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Hey Robert,

I (my super-secret accomplice) found a muster roll with my Father's name/service number.

He enlisted in the Navy in San Francisco, California on November 24, 1942. he was 15 years old.

Today I sent $60.00 to Veterans Records in St. Louis, Missouri for a copy of all his Naval Records/files.
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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Here we go again with this forum’s ‘authorita’ being mercilessly assaulted with differing views from archaeologists, biologists, doctors and guys with impressively large tweezers. According to this article:

http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-04/oldest-human-dna-found-americas

someone claims to have found some 14,000 year old human DNA in a….. uhh… preserved piece of history.

But I don’t like the smell of this story because some wicked, smart people from the internet (code for DZ.com) already said 40 year old DNA is hopelessly degraded and un-useable. But don’t be sad and develop long feces DZ experts, because there is still fresh hope on the horizon.

They go on to talk about the ancient Coprolites which were left behind in that cave. If only we could tap into the source of their wisdom we could solve so many of man’s problems today. Too bad the Coprolites died off because I think they would have fit in nicely with modern society and most on this thread would have warmly embraced them. Although there would have been some jealousy with several trying to show how they are bigger and smarter than the ancient Coprolites.

I still feel there are several members of the DBC thread who should be considered honorary Coprolites because of their tireless abilities to give of themselves. I’m sure they know who they are and represent the nation’s best and brightest of minds, because they will tell you this at the slightest opportunity.

Fourteen thousand three hundred year old DNA indeed. Sounds like a pile of gold bricks to me.



Then you will love this website:

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=224&view=print

and:

http://unazod.com/Wilks_32.htm

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7698QA2753

Snow hijacked the BOINC distributed computing networks and has had them grinding on this code for months. So far nothing promising, but it takes time.

People who think they are helping in SETI research or saving the whales are really Snow's unknowing slaves.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/

377

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7698QA2753

Snow hijacked the BOINC distributed computing networks and has had them grinding on this code for months. So far nothing promising, but it takes time.

People who think they are helping in SETI research or saving the whales are really Snow's unknowing slaves.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/

377

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7698QA2753

Snow hijacked the BOINC distributed computing networks and has had them grinding on this code for months. So far nothing promising, but it takes time.

People who think they are helping in SETI research or saving the whales are really Snow's unknowing slaves.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/

377



Bullshit.



Of course it is Georger. I thought it was funny, but I have an unorthodox sense of humor.

I have several of Farflung's collages on my refrigerator. I used to have Snow's fake Cooper 20 and his fake FBI card up there too, but when Quade banned Snow I dutifully decommssioned his infidel artwork. I dont have any of your work displayed Georger. How about posting something clever?

The only original artwork I ever posted here was the crude fake image of Cooper's exit on the SAGE terminal screen. I don't think anyone saw it as collectable.

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7698QA2753

Snow hijacked the BOINC distributed computing networks and has had them grinding on this code for months. So far nothing promising, but it takes time.

People who think they are helping in SETI research or saving the whales are really Snow's unknowing slaves.

http://boinc.berkeley.edu/

377



Bullshit.



Of course it is Georger. I thought it was funny, but I have an unorthodox sense of humor.

I have several of Farflung's collages on my refrigerator. I used to have Snow's fake Cooper 20 and his fake FBI card up there too, but when Quade banned Snow I dutifully decommssioned his infidel artwork. I dont have any of your work displayed Georger. How about posting something clever?

The only original artwork I ever posted here was the crude fake image of Cooper's exit on the SAGE terminal screen. I don't think anyone saw it as collectable.

377



Again, you should take a look at these websites
which give a practical demonstration of debates
that happen regarding dna evidence - in a specific
case. The second link regards an attempt to break
one specific code in a specific case: interesting
regarding and real.

http://www.zodiackillerfacts.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=224&view=print

and:

http://unazod.com/Wilks_32.htm

Can useful dna product be lifted from stamps and
letters? Yes. Consult your son.

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VERY intersting reads Georger. Thanks.

The movie Zodiac had some parts devoted to the code and the couple who broke it.

Pretty shocking about the FBI DNA lab fraud.

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