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QuoteI might as well just say this: what bothers me about
this story is its as if someone picked pieces of things
discussed here at dropozone (noncontroversial
items) and lumped them together into a story.
The fit is almost too good.
That was exactly my first comment - the story is too "pat". Anyway with fingerprints and DNA we will know one way or the other at some point. (Heaven forbid we get another so-convinced-they-disregard-all-the-evidence one though...)
Also what bugs me is the photo. Maybe there was only one photo but sheesh ... it's not easy to get a proper idea from it. At least for me.
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QuoteQuoteWell, we have already had a wife (Weber), a brother (Christiansen), and kids (Gosset, Vickie, Jamie) of ...um, that makes 6, different Coopers come forward
However, in my case, I have never adamantly expressed my opinions and outright said Mel WAS Cooper. I think he should be investigated because he disappeared in 1971 and not heard from since. This is in addition to Mel having a lengthy criminal history, an FBI file and does resemble the physical description.
I hope I have not been labeled as 'pushing' a suspect. I have never sought out a story in the media. I just wanted to know.....for personal reasons.
With all the media attention I think I will be happy if L.D. is THE Cooper. Then I can crawl back into the weeds.
Absolutely Vicki and I certainly wasn't trying to imply you were pushing at all! I just found it rather naive that someone says "his niece says so" and expects that to be good enough!
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Whew, was I happy to read this:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015808203_cooper04m.html
"I'm certain he was my uncle, Lynn Doyle Cooper, who we called L.D. Cooper," she told ABC News.”
Cooper (Marla) told ABC News that she is working on a book about her uncle, but said that wasn't her primary motivation for coming forward. It never is.
All she wants is the truth.
All we have to do is wait for the book to be published, then buy it and read it. Kinda weird how previous reports wanted to protect the identity of the family. Hmmmm, well I don’t see anything strange about this at all.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015808203_cooper04m.html
"I'm certain he was my uncle, Lynn Doyle Cooper, who we called L.D. Cooper," she told ABC News.”
Cooper (Marla) told ABC News that she is working on a book about her uncle, but said that wasn't her primary motivation for coming forward. It never is.
All she wants is the truth.
All we have to do is wait for the book to be published, then buy it and read it. Kinda weird how previous reports wanted to protect the identity of the family. Hmmmm, well I don’t see anything strange about this at all.
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QuoteWhew, was I happy to read this:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015808203_cooper04m.html
"I'm certain he was my uncle, Lynn Doyle Cooper, who we called L.D. Cooper," she told ABC News.”
Cooper (Marla) told ABC News that she is working on a book about her uncle, but said that wasn't her primary motivation for coming forward. It never is.
All she wants is the truth.
All we have to do is wait for the book to be published, then buy it and read it. Kinda weird how previous reports wanted to protect the identity of the family. Hmmmm, well I don’t see anything strange about this at all.
and I just received this point of view, from a
concerned citizen:
Quote:
"Who knows what gives with this. If they are looking
for a real story ( and some real dollars) they can
start by stopping any /all spending of additional
funds into any further investigation into this long
lost case and instead go after the more concerning
and current cases ... There is some serious shit
going on in our own backyards right now that is from
this century, current, which has a more immediate
affect on all of us, rather than battle over something
that probably comes from WWII.
Think about how many millions and millions of man
hours, time and money that has already been
wasted trying to solve this Cooper case ...
Past the point of making sense if you ask me."
So, opinions on every side. The writer of the above
is in his thirties, married, with two children.
Pat71 0
Absolutely Georger, to me this new suspect is a very big let down. A niece, turkey hunting, walkie talkies, cryptic remarks. The family said LD Cooper disappeared forever after that day, why? The niece said she never saw him again, why? Why would that happen, how would that help him stay off the FBI's radar? It's stupid, and the fact that this guy never jumped out of plane before seals it for me. Big let down.
Pat71 0
I also did not like the picture. LD Cooper lived to be almost 70 years old and this is the best picture the niece has. As far as radio tests, I'm not saying LD Cooper could not have done this, but he just doesn't sound sophisticated and organized enough to pull this off. I'm sorry but a army corporal that served in Korea is not that rare.
There is more to it guys - trust me.
This is not just another lady, relative that is hawking a book and looking to start posting every minute on DZ.
BTW, saw a history channel program "Detector" and I laughed my ass off. Everyone thinks they have solved the hijacking with there relative or suspect of choice with a complete circumstantial evidence. What a joke. In one scene they took KC print and put under the sketch and all the paid actors had this "Ah Hah!" moment. Like case solved. Sorry without DNA, Fingerprints, a parachute or the money you are just another wannabee. This lead is different - trust me.
This is not just another lady, relative that is hawking a book and looking to start posting every minute on DZ.
BTW, saw a history channel program "Detector" and I laughed my ass off. Everyone thinks they have solved the hijacking with there relative or suspect of choice with a complete circumstantial evidence. What a joke. In one scene they took KC print and put under the sketch and all the paid actors had this "Ah Hah!" moment. Like case solved. Sorry without DNA, Fingerprints, a parachute or the money you are just another wannabee. This lead is different - trust me.
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Georger wrote:
I too was surprised and gratified to see that the DB Cooper story still has legs. This widely covered story will shake a lot of trees. Who knows what might come from that? That's why I don't get mad at Blevins or Cook or anyone else who presents a suspect and gets some publicity.
There was a daughter who came forward a few years ago in SF saying that her father was the Zodiac killer.
She too was writing a book but of course had only the purist motives in staging press conferences where she was represented by a disbarred laywer.
I would be thrilled if LD Cooper was DB Cooper and used radio communications to get picked up. The chances of that working with a relatively random plane exit is TINY, but not impossible.
I have demonstrated that you can easily communicate at distances over 60 miles between a jumper under canopy at 10,000 feet and a ground based person on a mountain peak, both using low power walkie talkies. After landing twenty miles was no problem. All you need is a line of sight.
I have biases, I have desired outcomes, I am not impartial. I confess all these sins and ask for forgiveness.
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QuoteI am amazed the mainstream media has picked
this up so quickly - and appears to be digging into
it. I did not think that level of interest even existed
at this late date, especially given all of the fringe
activity which has dominated the Cooper story for so
long ...
I too was surprised and gratified to see that the DB Cooper story still has legs. This widely covered story will shake a lot of trees. Who knows what might come from that? That's why I don't get mad at Blevins or Cook or anyone else who presents a suspect and gets some publicity.
There was a daughter who came forward a few years ago in SF saying that her father was the Zodiac killer.
She too was writing a book but of course had only the purist motives in staging press conferences where she was represented by a disbarred laywer.
I would be thrilled if LD Cooper was DB Cooper and used radio communications to get picked up. The chances of that working with a relatively random plane exit is TINY, but not impossible.
I have demonstrated that you can easily communicate at distances over 60 miles between a jumper under canopy at 10,000 feet and a ground based person on a mountain peak, both using low power walkie talkies. After landing twenty miles was no problem. All you need is a line of sight.
I have biases, I have desired outcomes, I am not impartial. I confess all these sins and ask for forgiveness.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Pat 71 wrote:
Take a listen to CB. There are guys running 5 KW stations who, to put it kindly, are not sophisticated or organized.
There are some hams with double digit IQs who run some pretty sophisticated gear. All it takes is money.
I wonder how an eight year old niece knew the walkie talkies purchased by her uncle were "expensive"? In 1971 Lafayette Radio was selling Japanese walkie talkies for about $40 that would have done the job.
If Cooper escaped capture he might have had help on the ground. Walking out with all the hot news going on would have presented a big problem.
Without a precisely planned and executed exit, meeting at a pre planned rendevous spot would be near impossible. I am not saying Cooper had a ground accomplice but if he did, then radios sure make sense.
And Jo, I am not forgetting Duane's CB hobby.
"4 way in the Airstream" avatar, good one Orange.
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QuoteAs far as radio tests, I'm not saying LD Cooper could not have done this, but he just doesn't sound sophisticated and organized enough to pull this off.
Take a listen to CB. There are guys running 5 KW stations who, to put it kindly, are not sophisticated or organized.
There are some hams with double digit IQs who run some pretty sophisticated gear. All it takes is money.
I wonder how an eight year old niece knew the walkie talkies purchased by her uncle were "expensive"? In 1971 Lafayette Radio was selling Japanese walkie talkies for about $40 that would have done the job.
If Cooper escaped capture he might have had help on the ground. Walking out with all the hot news going on would have presented a big problem.
Without a precisely planned and executed exit, meeting at a pre planned rendevous spot would be near impossible. I am not saying Cooper had a ground accomplice but if he did, then radios sure make sense.
And Jo, I am not forgetting Duane's CB hobby.
"4 way in the Airstream" avatar, good one Orange.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Georger your thought process on this is the same as mine. Bruce defined himself with his own words below:
"Please do NOT put words into my mouth. You have a lot of nerve trying to lump me in with a guy who goes around the country stalking people, and then publishes articles about these people full of nasty comments".
What he did is "STALKING" and his article was full of uncalled for COMMENTS. He did NOT have their permission to be there or to write about anything they had to say. Bruce could be a good writer, but his methods are only suitable for the likes of the ENQUIRER. Perhaps he needs to contact them about a job.
I feel responsible for Cook finding Tina and Cook should NEVER have shared "his find" with Bruce. I even told him this when I found out he had told Bruce.
I have had Tina's address and phone number since around 2002, but it was easier to let everyone think I didn't have it.
It is the lone lie I have told during this whole process...but it was to protect her and my only reason.
Remember when we had the discussions on in this thread about supposed interviews with 'Tina's Husband". I sat here laughing my head off, because that was NOT Tina's husband.
Because I was in real estate I had access to things other do not. I have the original print outs of when I was obtained her address and phone number (the things have changed since 9/11) and the privacy of others is covered in the property records.
I wasn't positive I had the right person until I received an anonymous email verifying the address. Yes, I had a brief contact with her and it was very pleasant and because she gave me the courtesy of a return call, I have forever kept her location a secret.
I found out someone else was able to follow the trail from her divorce records (how I knew the "husband" supposedly interviewed was never her husband unless he changed his name). Then when I was aware that Cook had followed the trail I called her and told her I felt responsible, because he had been trying since 2003 to extract her information from me. I only left a brief message.
He used the tactics many of you use saying I don't really know these this or that and I am making it all up. I simply out of anger told him to check out the (state) divorce records. After that it was a piece of cake. I had only used the divorce records (provided to me by someone else) to verify she was still at the address and phone number I had had since 2002.
I have only contacted her three times since my initial phone call from her. One of these was to let her know a sneaky snake might be crawling around her neigborhood and few months later I received a picture the sneaky snake took of her.
Another call was because the co-pilot wanted to reconnect with her.. He sent me an email of what to say and all I did was call and read it off - he included something that would verify the contact was legitimate - something only the 2 of them knew and I was NOT told what this was. The next week they had a conversation per the co-pilot. Again all I did was leave a message.
The last call was to warn her about Grey disclosing her location. Protect and do NO harm.
Georger, I have done all I could do to protect her from the media and then when I found out what Bruce was up to I felt it my duty to warn her...and left a message.
I also contacted the FBI, Mr. H and the co-pilot to let them know I considered what happened regarding the calls to Blevins a wake up call and that Tina needed to be protected.
Several days would pass and I felt uneasy about Tina not having family around when all of this happened. I had the sisters phone number (had never used it) and decided it was TIME to use it - only to make sure Tina would have a support system.
Bruce actual contacted Tina's Sister - he posted this right here in the thread. I also made a post in which I refute the things he "thinks" were dicussed.
This was an invasion of Tina's privacy and her wishes should be respected at all times. If media or a writer showed up on my door without having contacted me - I would call the Sheriff.
"Please do NOT put words into my mouth. You have a lot of nerve trying to lump me in with a guy who goes around the country stalking people, and then publishes articles about these people full of nasty comments".
What he did is "STALKING" and his article was full of uncalled for COMMENTS. He did NOT have their permission to be there or to write about anything they had to say. Bruce could be a good writer, but his methods are only suitable for the likes of the ENQUIRER. Perhaps he needs to contact them about a job.
I feel responsible for Cook finding Tina and Cook should NEVER have shared "his find" with Bruce. I even told him this when I found out he had told Bruce.
I have had Tina's address and phone number since around 2002, but it was easier to let everyone think I didn't have it.
It is the lone lie I have told during this whole process...but it was to protect her and my only reason.
Remember when we had the discussions on in this thread about supposed interviews with 'Tina's Husband". I sat here laughing my head off, because that was NOT Tina's husband.
Because I was in real estate I had access to things other do not. I have the original print outs of when I was obtained her address and phone number (the things have changed since 9/11) and the privacy of others is covered in the property records.
I wasn't positive I had the right person until I received an anonymous email verifying the address. Yes, I had a brief contact with her and it was very pleasant and because she gave me the courtesy of a return call, I have forever kept her location a secret.
I found out someone else was able to follow the trail from her divorce records (how I knew the "husband" supposedly interviewed was never her husband unless he changed his name). Then when I was aware that Cook had followed the trail I called her and told her I felt responsible, because he had been trying since 2003 to extract her information from me. I only left a brief message.
He used the tactics many of you use saying I don't really know these this or that and I am making it all up. I simply out of anger told him to check out the (state) divorce records. After that it was a piece of cake. I had only used the divorce records (provided to me by someone else) to verify she was still at the address and phone number I had had since 2002.
I have only contacted her three times since my initial phone call from her. One of these was to let her know a sneaky snake might be crawling around her neigborhood and few months later I received a picture the sneaky snake took of her.
Another call was because the co-pilot wanted to reconnect with her.. He sent me an email of what to say and all I did was call and read it off - he included something that would verify the contact was legitimate - something only the 2 of them knew and I was NOT told what this was. The next week they had a conversation per the co-pilot. Again all I did was leave a message.
The last call was to warn her about Grey disclosing her location. Protect and do NO harm.
Georger, I have done all I could do to protect her from the media and then when I found out what Bruce was up to I felt it my duty to warn her...and left a message.
I also contacted the FBI, Mr. H and the co-pilot to let them know I considered what happened regarding the calls to Blevins a wake up call and that Tina needed to be protected.
Several days would pass and I felt uneasy about Tina not having family around when all of this happened. I had the sisters phone number (had never used it) and decided it was TIME to use it - only to make sure Tina would have a support system.
Bruce actual contacted Tina's Sister - he posted this right here in the thread. I also made a post in which I refute the things he "thinks" were dicussed.
This was an invasion of Tina's privacy and her wishes should be respected at all times. If media or a writer showed up on my door without having contacted me - I would call the Sheriff.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
However, in my case, I have never adamantly expressed my opinions and outright said Mel WAS Cooper. I think he should be investigated because he disappeared in 1971 and not heard from since. This is in addition to Mel having a lengthy criminal history, an FBI file and does resemble the physical description.
I hope I have not been labeled as 'pushing' a suspect. I have never sought out a story in the media. I just wanted to know.....for personal reasons.
With all the media attention I think I will be happy if L.D. is THE Cooper. Then I can crawl back into the weeds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
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