DB Cooper

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I feel a presence, I am now channeling Snow;

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The Cooper comic book history is complicated. No one really acknowledged the history you posted for
me when I was banned.

Anyone who wants to talk about Dan Cooper comics should be asked "what year do you think Dan Cooper
first appeared in a comic? (in any language, or under any cover title)"

Everyone has skipped over understanding the true details.

While you've posted before on this, in the spirit of guru312, it's worth revisiting my prediction
that a blond woman would be involved in the Cooper solution (LD Cooper's niece).

I said here
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3987050

"TINTIN #1114 3/15/1970 is when Dan Cooper L'Affaire Minos first appeared.
This was later republished as #20 in 1974, or "tome 7" in 2002 as shown on the FBI site.

Dan is on the cover with Vicky (she appears first in this episode).
She's a blond tour guide.
We don't have the full story line, but it's a spy thing, I think."

I would also mention that I have pictures of LD Cooper's niece in a nun outfit, scraped from
Facebook, but am retaining them for personal use.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The problem is a matter of dress , if LDC intended the cover story of camping in the airstream , why the business suit ?

My thoughts are , yes he could have had a change of clothes in the airstream , sure..but he has to make his way there in the countryside full of hunters and hikers and who knows else , he would stand out like the proverbial sore thumb to anyone , even from a distance.Dan Cooper didn't intend to be anywhere near the woods or wild is how i see it.Closer to I-5 was the better.

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The Cooper hijacking has always been a fascinating case to me. When I heard about the latest "new suspect," I jumped online, let Google do some work and came across this site. What a thread.

There is some serious research here, especially in regards to the flight path, the jump timeline and how and where the recovered money arrived at its discovery location. It's very impressive. On the other hand, there is also a lot of bickering between authors and "insiders" that detracts from what could be a valuable resource.

As the age old idiom goes, "I have no dog in this fight." I have never met anyone here and I'm not writing a book. It's just a very interesting case. I'm not a jumper--I was a "leg" in the army--and I was a street cop in one of the nation's largest cities for about eight years.

I have read most--but not all--of both threads and it took for freakin' ever--as in days. But it was too intriguing to stop. Thankfully, I office at home.

IMO, Jo Weber has the most interesting and entertaining take but I find it highly unbelievable. After so many years, no solid, concrete evidence--just tons and tons of highly circumstantial and suspect leads. I can't understand--though I know Mrs. Weber can--how she can't see the truth and how so many people have said "It's not your husband," and have pointed out why and yet she persists. Her twists, turns, always adding "I just remembered" things, straying into highly implausible side theories such as the Mafia, CIA, MLK, breaking codes etc. are ludicrous. Her penchant for leaving "secret" or supposedly tantalizing clues--claiming more information but not wanting to reveal it; stating she can't reveal this or that until further research is done; pulling out some story she claims she's never told so that it better fits her agenda etc.--just adds to her overall lack of credibility. She has so many spokes and feelers laid out in every direction because she's looking for any tiny thing that might fit her husband being Cooper. But even with her spider web of thoughts reaching out into the world, the evidence is never there, no plausible connections ever made. An individual saying they held something in their hand, heard someone say something, had a relative's or friend's account written down, and so many other questionable assertions, are not evidence. There are so many things that she says happened but has not one shred of proof, save for the commutation and a few other docs, but they get her nowhere with regard to tying her husband to Cooper. The manner and rationale in which she attempts to connect the dots is so disjointed and convoluted it made my head hurt.

Isn't it possible--indeed plausible--that a lifelong thief and con man showed his true colors one last time? One final, glorious lie, perhaps? Isn't it also possible that nothing was said?

I don't see "whitewash" or "cover up" here; I see a 40 year investigation that has become so twisted with myth and legend that unless Cooper is found dead in the mountains clutching the money, the myth will always be bigger than the truth, whatever it may be. Evidence will be unintentionally misplaced; documents misfiled or accidentally destroyed--it happens, especially with such a complex and very long investigation.

As for Mrs. Weber, the massive amount of info she has freely posted tells me that she is a conspiracy theorist and will never accept that her husband was not Cooper, no matter what. Whatever the FBI or anyone comes up with is shot down and answered with, "Well, they have the wrong prints for my husband!" or "The DNA has been compromised!" and discrepancies that are most likely human error are magnified to conspiracy level. The FBI will never win, which is why, I'd guess, they are reluctant to waste their time and return phone calls or emails coming from Mrs. Weber. They have ELIMINATED Duane Weber and that's that. I get this feeling that Mrs. Weber wants to be a big part of this grand adventure and wants to interject herself into the case at every turn; people like this are not unusual. They have an extreme desire to be "in the know" and attempt to make their presence much more important than it really is, if even relevant at all. She wants to "own" the story, IMO, and enjoys the attention.


I respect the tenacity of Mrs. Weber but I just don't find her story even close to credible. After so many years of searching, why has she not found the smoking gun? Or even a little wisp coming out of the barrel? The most likely and rational explanation is because her husband was not Cooper. Even true warriors who participated in top secret activities have backgrounds and can be found, along with at least some idea of what they were doing. Take the guys who ran recon with SOG or the men who were with the Phoenix Program in those days--highly secret stuff but if you had their names you can easily find them and see that they were once SF or SEALs etc. and the fact that many aspects of their work have long since been declassified. I'd also wager they were not convicted felons with less-than-stellar backgrounds.


As for this latest suspect, unless the FBI has something much more solid than what has been presented thus far, how does this differ from the other supposed Coopers? Lots of weak circumstantial stuff here. One poster says there is solid evidence--so we'll see.

On the cigarettes, I recall early in this second thread that Carr said the cigarettes were gathered and properly processed, sent back, and then disappeared. So they did what they could in 1971 and the cigarettes have either been accidentally destroyed or were misplaced--not at all unusual for evidence dating back 40 years. So they could have found them or they are using whatever evidence was extracted from them way back when. But he clearly said they were processed for evidence and then were lost sometime later. Of course, like so many other statements here, are we even sure the cigarettes or the evidence connected to them are being looked at?

As a former LEO, I've always thought the FBI has withheld some clues--statements the suspect made; crime scene info that only the suspect would know (if he were still alive); or very good DNA or print data they can compare to a suspect but have never been able to do so. Someone today posted that a physical descriptor may be an example of what they held back. My experience also makes me believe that just because person "X" or person "Y" doesn't believe the FBI did this or did that--i.e. dig into a person's background or looked at multiple sets of prints--doesn't mean it didn't happen. The FBI doesn't have to divulge their every step just because someone wants them too; that's irrational thinking. Just because someone wants to know, they have to tell them? It's a federal criminal investigation and just because someone thinks they are right in the middle of it, they don't have a right to be privy to the investigation's confidential findings or methods.

Great postings and thank you for allowing me to share my lengthy opinion.

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I feel a presence, I am now channeling Snow;

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The Cooper comic book history is complicated. No one really acknowledged the history you posted for
me when I was banned.

Anyone who wants to talk about Dan Cooper comics should be asked "what year do you think Dan Cooper
first appeared in a comic? (in any language, or under any cover title)"

Everyone has skipped over understanding the true details.

While you've posted before on this, in the spirit of guru312, it's worth revisiting my prediction
that a blond woman would be involved in the Cooper solution (LD Cooper's niece).

I said here
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3987050

"TINTIN #1114 3/15/1970 is when Dan Cooper L'Affaire Minos first appeared.
This was later republished as #20 in 1974, or "tome 7" in 2002 as shown on the FBI site.

Dan is on the cover with Vicky (she appears first in this episode).
She's a blond tour guide.
We don't have the full story line, but it's a spy thing, I think."

I would also mention that I have pictures of LD Cooper's niece in a nun outfit, scraped from
Facebook, but am retaining them for personal use.

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Now I SEE the connection to Blevins and Jo !

Historical reconstruction. (for those with failing
memory)

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As the age old idiom goes, "I have no dog in this fight." I have never met anyone here and I'm not writing a book. It's just a very interesting case. I'm not a jumper--I was a "leg" in the army--and I was a street cop in one of the nation's largest cities for about eight years.

Really great post ExBlue. I can't recall ever running into a street cop who was as articulate in their written expression as you are. There were plenty of smart ones. but clear writing wasn't their forte'. Of course police reports don't enourage literary flourish.

We sure agree on no conspiracy or LEO cover up. That stuff is the refuge of people who can't find evidence that supports their particular theory. They ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY KNOW it exists and if they cant find it then it must have been buried by the FBI. Yawnnnn...

I really hope you will keep posting here. Fresh air is sorely needed. Our canaries died months ago.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Jo, you clearly didn't understand what he very patiently explained to you. Actually that was quite amazing about Carr - he never lost his temper with you, was always patient and courteous, even though you treated him like dirt here. I miss having him around. (corny alias and all)

Ditto. Miss him a lot actually, especially now. We had a real FBI Coopernut right here on our twisted forum and he was chased off.

Larry actually doesnt blame any one person for his departure, but I think diplomacy and good manners continued to influence his position. We all have our suspicions as to what actually led to his departure and who instigated it.

We have lost two really great assets here, Snow and Ckret. We muddle along without them but who knows where we'd be were they still here? I'll bet we'd have more substantive discussions and less Lord of the Flies stuff.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I really hope you will keep posting here. Fresh air is sorely needed. Our canaries died months ago.

Thank you.

The day I heard news of this new suspect, a friend of mine who was an SF officer in Vietnam called me. After we talked a bit, I said I was hoping he was calling to confess he was Dan Cooper.

He made me laugh when he said he sure hoped it was an SF guy, otherwise he'd "be really disappointed."

[georger 244]

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The Cooper hijacking has always been a fascinating case to me. When I heard about the latest "new suspect," I jumped online, let Google do some work and came across this site. What a thread.

There is some serious research here, especially in regards to the flight path, the jump timeline and how and where the recovered money arrived at its discovery location. It's very impressive. On the other hand, there is also a lot of bickering between authors and "insiders" that detracts from what could be a valuable resource.

Isn't it possible--indeed plausible--that a lifelong thief and con man showed his true colors one last time? One final, glorious lie, perhaps? Isn't it also possible that nothing was said?

I don't see "whitewash" or "cover up" here; I see a 40 year investigation that has become so twisted with myth and legend that unless Cooper is found dead in the mountains clutching the money, the myth will always be bigger than the truth, whatever it may be. Evidence will be unintentionally misplaced; documents misfiled or accidentally destroyed--it happens, especially with such a complex and very long investigation.

As for this latest suspect, unless the FBI has something much more solid than what has been presented thus far, how does this differ from the other supposed Coopers? Lots of weak circumstantial stuff here. One poster says there is solid evidence--so we'll see.

On the cigarettes, I recall early in this second thread that Carr said the cigarettes were gathered and properly processed, sent back, and then disappeared. So they did what they could in 1971 and the cigarettes have either been accidentally destroyed or were misplaced--not at all unusual for evidence dating back 40 years. So they could have found them or they are using whatever evidence was extracted from them way back when. But he clearly said they were processed for evidence and then were lost sometime later. Of course, like so many other statements here, are we even sure the cigarettes or the evidence connected to them are being looked at?

As a former LEO, I've always thought the FBI has withheld some clues--statements the suspect made; crime scene info that only the suspect would know (if he were still alive); or very good DNA or print data they can compare to a suspect but have never been able to do so. Someone today posted that a physical descriptor may be an example of what they held back. My experience also makes me believe that just because person "X" or person "Y" doesn't believe the FBI did this or did that--i.e. dig into a person's background or looked at multiple sets of prints--doesn't mean it didn't happen. The FBI doesn't have to divulge their every step just because someone wants them too; that's irrational thinking. Just because someone wants to know, they have to tell them? It's a federal criminal investigation and just because someone thinks they are right in the middle of it, they don't have a right to be privy to the investigation's confidential findings or methods.

Great postings and thank you for allowing me to share my lengthy opinion.

Your thoughts are very accurate and representative
of reality, so far as I have come to know this case.

The Cooper case is elsewhere, waiting.

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Jo, you clearly didn't understand what he very patiently explained to you. Actually that was quite amazing about Carr - he never lost his temper with you, was always patient and courteous, even though you treated him like dirt here. I miss having him around. (corny alias and all)

Ditto. Miss him a lot actually, especially now. We had a real FBI Coopernut right here on our twisted forum and he was chased off.

Larry actually doesnt blame any one person for his departure, but I think diplomacy and good manners continued to influence his position. We all have our suspicions as to what actually led to his departure and who instigated it.

We have lost two really great assets here, Snow and Ckret. We muddle along without them but who knows where we'd be were they still here? I'll bet we'd have more substantive discussions and less Lord of the Flies stuff.

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Well actually, FOUR LEFT! But since you insist it was
two, let it be 2.00000000000031459. If you had left
when you had the opportunity it would have been
five and Gwlen would have joined.

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ExBlue, Thanks.

Robert Nicholson

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I didnt count some as having left because they keep showing up once in a great while. I gues TK is countaable as gone, but others reappear from time to time.

Who did I miss Georger?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The day I heard news of this new suspect, a friend of mine who was an SF officer in Vietnam called me. After we talked a bit, I said I was hoping he was calling to confess he was Dan Cooper.

He made me laugh when he said he sure hoped it was an SF guy, otherwise he'd "be really disappointed."

Dont forget Ted Braden. Look him up on back posts.
He was SOG, had the motive (money), the skills and was a deserter-fugitive.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Dont forget Ted Braden. Look him up on back posts.
He was SOG, had the motive (money), the skills and was a deserter-fugitive.

Oh yeah. I know who Braden is. There is talk among SF Vietnam vets--a few I've talked to about this case, anyway--that he could be the man, but I've never heard them say why or go into detail. I think given the type of crime, timeframe and Cooper's exit, it's quite normal for them to think Cooper was one of their own.

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For those who might not have seen this.
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/No-fingerprints-found-on-item-in-D-B-Cooper-case-1684566.php

Also a clip from the co-pilot who if you aske me is a ringer for Dan Cooper.

http://www.nbcuniversalarchives.com/nbcuni/clip/5112499111_006.do

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TM doesnt strike me as the convent type in appearance which often speaks volumes. What scared her so much that she went into recluse to this day ?

Other than being a ringer for Cooper he sure kept her close in public from what pics i can find.

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Please excuse my double posting , i hope you'll indulge me for a moment. Wouldnt it have been so easy if there was no Dan Cooper ? The flight crew never left the c/pit so who is to say who was really in there ? The hijacker was able to stay calm and collected throughout , quite "at home" as one might say.
Chuck the money out with extra cushioning might explain lack of 2 parachutes,helpful if theres a tracking device on the bundle for recovery.It might go some ways in explaining how the $5800 got where it did ..ie..burst open on impact.It doesnt explain the missing 200 from 1 bundle but maybe someone needed spending money before dropping it. This hijacker was very comfortable in his surrroundings , enough so to order a couple of drinks.A casual hijacker indeed.My one stumbling block is that means a conspiracy with the flight crew all in. It could be this is why TM wont discuss the event also , i cant think of many things scary enough to make me hide my entire life away.Not even a bomb.

Do feel free to shred my post , it's probably been suggested many times but it does make some sense to me right now.
Its even to the point it is in the crews best interest to say Cooper jumped at the most unlikely place to ever be found.

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I am going to address some of the points in your post.

I came to the DZ looking for help - technical aid - NO other place to go about Skyjumpers. My inquiry led to the discovery of a lot of information...I didn't come to the DZ yrs ago to argue or be made fun of.

First off - I will let you and everyone here know what an idiot I am. I have no idea what IMO means. I am self taught on the computer and bought my first one in 2000 for my job. I didn't mean to be intertaining - I was looking for help to solve this thing and hoping to learn something about Duane Weber.

Yes tons and tons of highly circumstantial and suspect leads. What my husband showed me, his past, the things I held in my hands and the things he told me. He didn't create items and he didn't make all of these stories up. He told me about his life in the 3rd person because he knew I would never be able to accept his past. I am the straight arrow -Do the crime - do the time.

Yes, I have taken twists and turns and I do remember things and I have ventured into some implausible side things. I do know that Duane had some connections - involvement with a HIGH profile individual who was connected to the unions and had strong connections with presidents. If you want to meet me and have a confidential talk about that - I can show you pictures and give you names and incidents - but NOT something I will do on a public forum. When you see those records you will not use the word ludicrous.
None of the above would prove Duane was Cooper, but he had some strange High Up connections for an ex-con and common criminal.

I don't mean to leave tantalizing clues and since I have been in so many directions at one time I get lost myself. I will be working on something and not be able to finish it...so I let it go. The mafia and other connections are real and I chose to leave it be - because I got scared and I couldn't get any where without traveling to see people and get in their face like some of the writers do.

I had not the time or money to go back to Colorado (both ends of the state) and find to individuals or evidence of these individual who might have been able to provide me with answers about the past of Duane. Nor could I get on a plane and go unannounced to a man in Tx for answers - I tried the telephone and I did not know how to even approach some of the people if I had had the money and the time to have gone face to face with them. As for the wife of times - I wish I had been able to afforded to have got on a plane and seen her face to face. The things she told me she never told the FBI.

Yes, I know I have gone so many place in my research and letting others know - hurt my credibility, but since I could not follow thru with what I was doing due to health, income and being able to travel - so much of the information I was able to acquire just got put aside (includes name and places). I am a scatter brain - very intelligent but also a very disorganized person with my thoughts and communications...why I call myself a scatter brain.

The spider web of thoughts I throw out in this thread are the limits of "my reaching out into the world" as you called it.
I know that what I saw and held in my hands and what he told me is NOT EVIDENCE, but it is what I know and why I know in my heart of hearts he was Cooper or involved as an accomplice.

You stated the manner and rationale in which I attempt to connect the dots is so disjointed and convoluted it make your head hurt. Do you know what it does to me?

You stated "Isn't it possible--indeed plausible--that a lifelong thief and con man showed his true colors one last time? One final, glorious lie, perhaps? Isn't it also possible that nothing was said? " I suppose it is possible, but remember he was feeding meinformation for 17yrs - had he have told me the full extent of his past - I would have been gone. He tried to tell me and I just didn't understand and block out his past as I always did. Why he got so angry with me when he told me "I'm Dan Cooper". He had something in the Van - I didn't understand.
I sold the VAN and then this man finds the Wallet later - and he give me 2 different stories about it. I do not know what he told the FBI.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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TM doesnt strike me as the convent type in appearance which often speaks volumes. What scared her so much that she went into recluse to this day ?

Other than being a ringer for Cooper he sure kept her close in public from what pics i can find.

Your sick suggestion is NOT funny.

Perhaps the longtimelurker needs to crawl back under whatever he crawled out from under.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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TM doesnt strike me as the convent type in appearance which often speaks volumes. What scared her so much that she went into recluse to this day ?

Other than being a ringer for Cooper he sure kept her close in public from what pics i can find.

Your sick suggestion is NOT funny.

Perhaps the longtimelurker needs to crawl back under whatever he crawled out from under.

Whats sick about it ? I know from your track record you insult and flame anyone not in the weber camp so whatever. Here's the thing , she went into recluse and that's a fact , something scared her real good.
If you have nothing to add or say other than flaming please refrain from replying.

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Thank you Mr B , it's curious for sure.

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Below is the one statement I agree with whole heartedly and bares being repeated:


ExBlue stated:

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I don't see "whitewash" or "cover up" here; I see a 40 year investigation that has become so twisted with myth and legend that unless Cooper is found dead in the mountains clutching the money, the myth will always be bigger than the truth, whatever it may be. Evidence will be unintentionally misplaced; documents misfiled or accidentally destroyed--it happens, especially with such a complex and very long investigation

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Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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TM doesnt strike me as the convent type in appearance which often speaks volumes. What scared her so much that she went into recluse to this day ?

Other than being a ringer for Cooper he sure kept her close in public from what pics i can find.

Your sick suggestion is NOT funny.

Perhaps the longtimelurker needs to crawl back under whatever he crawled out from under.

Whats sick about it ? I know from your track record you insult and flame anyone not in the weber camp so whatever. Here's the thing , she went into recluse and that's a fact , something scared her real good.
If you have nothing to add or say other than flaming please refrain from replying.

Excuse me - but did she refuse you an interview? I have been watching your structure with your words..

You have other names. You posted on another thread outside of this forum several yrs ago. Some of the names were"
DBCoopercatcher, Popeye Dolyle,
Awsie Dooger, Mr. Motto, and MsCooper. Not sure it was that thread, but you are very very familiar. There was another thread I believe Galen Cook posted to but I forgot which one and the avatar he used.

Do NOT attack individuals who have already been victimized by the Cooper story. Say what you want about me, but do NOT demean that crew in anyway with your lurid suggestions. Those victims have been through a lot and the skyjacking has been a costly toll on their lives. They have not been able to live their lives like NORMAL people - Please leave them alone.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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You are way off base i'm afraid , in your accusations to me as well. I can do no more than invite the admin to check out my ISP address and put that one to rest , if they have a mind to.
You do not like my slant on the incident , fair enough , you have zero room to dictate my opinions.

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Looks like there will be a returning champion from the first game of ‘Coopardy’.

Robert99 adroitly answered:


“Alex, I'll take the "codes" for the maximum amount allowable:

QRN : Are the atmospherics strong?

- . ., - . . ., - . - . : What are DB Cooper's initials?

7500 : What is the aircraft transponder hijack code?

Alex, I'll next take "Hot Nuns" for the maximum amount allowable:

Flight 305 FA - Who is Tina?

City name in Oregon - What is Sister's?

Fred MacMurray's Spouse(s) - Who are Lillian Lamont and June Haver?

Farflung Fantasy - Who is Vicki?”



Perfectly played Robert99, except $1200 dollars was deducted. Although Fred MacMurray did have two wives only one was a Hot Nun; that was of course June Haver…. June… Haver.

Although I don’t know if Vicki is a Hot Nun, since this answer was ‘Farflung Fantasy’; she is now.

Congratulations Robert99 and Vicki, and thanks for playing and being victimized.

OK...back to fun stuff.....Coopardy.....damn I wish I'd thought of that. Merv Griffin has nothing on our resident hunk.
...I would take Hot Nuns for 200,000.....but that just sounds..... so.......wrong. So Alex, I'll take Denial for 1600.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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TM doesnt strike me as the convent type in appearance which often speaks volumes. What scared her so much that she went into recluse to this day ?

One of the other stewardesses on the flight, Florence Schaffner, and co-pilot Bill Rataczak, have said there were legitimate fears that Cooper might set the bomb to explode remotely after he jumped - to rid himself of the main witnesses. Fortunately, this was not the case.

While the airliner was on the ground in Seattle, the flight crew was informed that the Chief FAA Psychiatrist in Washington, DC predicted that the hijacker would probably take a prisoner with him (hence the four parachutes) and blow up the airliner as he/they jumped. This information can be found in the radio transcripts.