377 22 #24476 August 5, 2011 QuoteI hope she sues the hell out of him, but he doesn't have a pot to piss out of or a window to throw it out. He is a hungry journalist looking for fame and he does NOT care who he hurts in the process. Yawn. Here we go with lawsuit threats again. And what damages could Tina collect? The burden of proving damages is on the plaintiff. She asked Bruce to leave and he did. Get a grip folks, it was one very short visit to her doorstep. Some are invested in portraying Tina as an exceedingly fragile amd dysfunctional person whose life can be irretrievably ruined by a single visit and one minute encounter with a pushy reporter. Let Tina handle this herself. She doesn't need us as uninvited guardians. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #24477 August 5, 2011 QuoteBruce - I don't understand how putting these pictures of Tina on the net help solve the DBC case. Please explain. Thanks Pat Quote The possibiility exists that the mystery of Tina and the mystery of DB Cooper are linked. If so, Tina gets us closer to Cooper. Remember, I'm trying to find the guy who threatened to kill Tina Mucklow and 41 of her friends, colleagues and passengers. If Tina had half the courage that she does rage, I believe we'd be closer to the truth of this case. Further, if my brother-in-law was a career FBI agent and refused to lift a finger to find the criminal who threatened to kill me, I'd be royally pissed. In the meantime, I'm stepping up to the plate. As such, I'm showing the pix to the world. I have received copious amounts of assistence in my DBC investigation from the DZ, including the address and contact information on Tina's brother-in-law and sister. Hence, I'm stirring the pot once again. Whaa- Pat? You're not even curious to see what Tina Mucklow looks like these days? Really? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #24478 August 5, 2011 Lurker: I am repeating the post below that answers your question, what do you not understand. You are sounding like a writer for the Enquirer looking for any information you can get for free. You go out and find youself a PI. I can't afford one and what has been done in the way of research - has been volunteered and is owned by those who discovered the information. Sluggo found one of the early marriage records - and it is still supect and unresolved. The 2 marriages where so close together - it leaves lots of question of if it can be counted as a marriage. What would any marriage Duane had prior to 1962 have to do with anything. We have explored Duane past martial records prior to 1962 and we only found 2 records of marriages back in the 40's. Both records were suspect and only 1 yr apart. Never found a marriage record for Edna who he supposedly had a child by named Zona born aroung 1943 -1946 as best as we can determine from a letter he sent to his mother about his father's death while he was in SanQuentin and what was shared with me by family members. We also had a letter where the mother had enquire of one of the 2 other marriages and this has been discussed in prior post. As for a PI - do you actually know what it would cost for a PI - more money than I have. The PI would have to actually go to different states and search archived records...he would also have to know the alias and /or recognize other aliases Duane used. We don't know them all. You have really not done any research at all and you do not absorb an answers when they are given. Why are you stuck on this unimportant subject? For all we know Duane was a bigamist - because we do not know how the 1st 2 marriages where disolved. We know about the common law from 1962 to 1972 who he did legally divorce. We know about the 1972 marriage and the disolution of that marriage. REPEAT of prior post: 1962 Duane met a woman he never legally married but they would be together until 1972. This wife he did legally divorce due to commonlaw rules in the state of Florida. She told me she left him in Nov of 1970 and that in Feb of 1971 she went back to him. This was the only wife he had during those yrs. From 1962 until 1958 they lived under the names of John C. Weber and mulitple aliases. She did NOT get custody of her children from a prior marriage until Duane was in Jefferson. She claimed she did not know his real name until he was released from Jefferson. Yet, they used many aliases from 1962 to 1968 so she must have known he was using an alias. I never called her down when I felt she was lieing to me - at least she was talking to me and did so until her death in I believe 2004. Even she used many aliases and therefore this indicates she was aware of this criminal activities. She admitted to being with him when he was running from the FBI in 1966 and she related the details that took place when he was arrested at the apt complex and about the FBI agent giving her a ride back to MO. where she had family and children. Obviously she was not charged with aiding and abeiting as she would today. I have a picture of her and her sister with Duane after he was released from Jefferson. They left Mo and headed to CO where her other sister lived. They both were working in Co when the FBI from MO. came knocking on their door in 1969. Now follow this and you will see it makes not sense. Duane had been released from Jefferson where he had been incarcerated as John Collins and received a "COMMUTATION" of sentence under that name and yet the authorities knew his name was Duane L. Weber - if indeed the FINGERPRINTS on file had been correct. Now does anyone see why I question the FINGERPRINT FILE. Both Duane and his wife where heavy drinkers and liked to party heavy. When the FBI came looking for him in CO they put the KIDS in the car and headed for N.Orleans. and abandon one call along the highway with a continenial kid. They had purchased another car and took refuse with 4 kids at someone Duane had known from his past. I know the name but will not state it in this thread. Some very very bad thinks happened to the children during this time frame...but they would move to Mobile, Al where Duane worked in Insurance sales. How did he get an insurance license in AL and be an excon? When the big hurricane was going into that area (I guess 1968/69 - I believe it was Camile) they headed to Atlanta with the kids. 2 vehicles. In Atlanta, Ga - Duane again goes to work selling insurance and the first company was the JMWAVE organization. I have all of their tax files from 1968 to 1972 when they got divorced. I have their work records for those periods...the FBI hasnever been interested in looking at them. Some terrible things had happened in N.O. to the children and this cause a lot of bitterness on the part of Duane - someone ended up dead (unsolved) and under supicious cause. I can only speculate about what Duane did when they found out what had happened to the kids...I believe he was capable of murder if the circumstance presented itself. At any rate - she never knew him to read a book either. She also knew about the things I did regarding Jefferson. We spent many hours talking on my dime. She would call me in the middle of the night - it was 12 midnight there and be 2 AM my time and it had to go to work, but I would always call her back because she could not afford the long distance calls. She was usually very much under the influence when she called me. I have notes of most conversations. There was a very brief and volitile marriage to one woman after his divorce to the above woman - Duane's friend can explain that better than I can. The marriage was legal for about 5 yrs but they only lived together off and on - I won't go into the details of that marriage as it has NOTHING to do with what we are discussing...and the woman wants NOTHING to do with any of this - she does NOT want to be involved. She just told me Duane Weber was a horrible man - but the man I knew was a good man. This woman came after Duane yrs later for many thousands of dollars which depleted our savingings and renewals and his credit because he had to file for bankruptcy - large amounts of money put onto accounts in his name for purchase and renovations of the home they bought. Since these things from his past did NOT involve me - I was NOT part of the bankruptcy and my credit was left unscathed. Why everything we did was under my name credit wise. How did a man out of prison have money to pay alimony and take care of an expensive new wife. Perhaps these are the question the FBI should have been puzzled about. I have the tax records and they do NOT support the LIFE STYLE and money spent. Maybe she was the one who had money - I do not know. What Duane Weber read prior to 1962 is relavant - it is a mute point. Duane was NOT a READER of books. Therefore the rare ocassion he did read a book is very very vivid and the subject matter is suspect. You are doing a BRUCE SMITH here and his current actions are that of a Smut magazine writer and I consider that Stalking. You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #24479 August 5, 2011 QuoteQuoteI think someone being HALO qualified would make them a better candidate but not by much. An experienced static line jumper--think old school paratrooper--would probably be silly enough to attempt the jump even if he'd never had any freefall/skydiving/HALO training. yeah, the Air America 727 jumps were S/L. Anyone who had seen them or knew of them would figure you could just pull right off the stairs and it would be roughly the same, not much freefall. Halo/freefall experience would help but a paratrooper or smoke jumper wirth only S/L jumps could do OK. 377 By the same token, anyone sitting in an airport watching humans board a 727 up the rear stairs could put 1+1 together and conclude the same thing, plus not know how to get the magic stairs open which satisfies another evidentiary point. Now: assuming a population of 3 billion on the planet and say 20,000 special forces people worldwide (people with parachute training) the probability of your scenario is 1 in 6.6667E6 or roughly (one in 7 billion). The probability of my scenario is nearly 100%. These are non weighted oppotunistic probabilities. The math speaks for itself. If your car suddenly goes missing do you automatically assume a NASCAR driver must have stolen it, after reading the Dan Cooper comic? What is at stake here is ordinary vs. extra-ordinary. Something specialists at this blog are unwilling to even admit to. So enjoy your dreams - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #24480 August 5, 2011 Tina = Victim Mountain News and Bruce Smith = Stalker (I loathe this aspect of the media) Quote Your characterization of my professional conduct is incorrect, Vicki. I am a persistent, careful and impeccible journalist seeking information from the primary witness in one of the top criminal mysteries of our time. Remember, Ms. Mucklow is a public figure, even though she is uncomfortable with her status. She also has a responsiblity, in my view, to help folks who are trying to find the guy who threatened to kill her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #24481 August 5, 2011 QuoteQuoteI hope she sues the hell out of him, but he doesn't have a pot to piss out of or a window to throw it out. He is a hungry journalist looking for fame and he does NOT care who he hurts in the process. Yawn. Here we go with lawsuit threats again. And what damages could Tina collect? The burden of proving damages is on the plaintiff. She asked Bruce to leave and he did. Get a grip folks, it was one very short visit to her doorstep. Some are invested in portraying Tina as an exceedingly fragile amd dysfunctional person whose life can be irretrievably ruined by a single visit and one minute encounter with a pushy reporter. Let Tina handle this herself. She doesn't need us as uninvited guardians. 377 377, He took pictures of her and put them online - that is Stalking. You are an attorney - and your post above is the most insensitive post I have ever heard come from you. I actully didn't think you made the post and had to take a second look. You have usually been the voice of reason in the thread.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites longtimelurker 0 #24482 August 5, 2011 "You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other" Is that not exactly what brought you here ? A yes or no please will suffice , no need for lengthy diatribes we've all seen and dismissed before,thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #24483 August 5, 2011 Since there are so many newbies to the DB Cooper case now reading the DZ, I thought this video link may be helpful. In particular, it has a great interview with Florence Schaffner, back in the day, Yes, the video was made to further the work of Galen Cook and his championing of William P Gossett as DB Cooper, but the information is compelling, and serves a greater purpose here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tRGP7t1U6s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #24484 August 5, 2011 Vicki’s answer, “Who......is..............Jo Weber; aka Mrs. Cooper????” Is correct and Vicki jumps into the lead with $200,000. Make another selection as you are still in control of the bored. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BruceSmith 3 #24485 August 5, 2011 Quote"You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other" Is that not exactly what brought you here ? A yes or no please will suffice , no need for lengthy diatribes we've all seen and dismissed before,thanks. no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites longtimelurker 0 #24486 August 5, 2011 The question was to Skyjack71 , if you feel you can answer for her then by all means , what brought her here to this or any other forum/messageboard she frequents ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #24487 August 5, 2011 Quote"You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other" Is that not exactly what brought you here ? A yes or no please will suffice , no need for lengthy diatribes we've all seen and dismissed before,thanks. I came to the thread looking for information about the possibilites of the survival of the jump and to contact OLD Timers to see if any one remembered the man I knew as my husband who confessed to the crime. I still have never seen a parachute in person. I was looking to find out what the items Duane had in his possession could be as the man I sold them to at a garage sale after Duane died told me they were parts for a parachute. The thread evolved from that simple exploration and I will say the DZ member have been very courteous and helpful with that. What is happening now - is media is in the thread and raping it for anything they can acquire...and how it will be use only one can guess.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #24488 August 5, 2011 Quote Whaa- Pat? You're not even curious to see what Tina Mucklow looks like these days? Really? I have no interest either. If she had agreed to talk to you about the case I would have loved to read it. But no interest in seeing photos - it sounds a bit tabloidy, and given your description of the encounter I doubt she was captured in a willing, smiling pose for the camera. If the photos were indeed captured paparazzi-style, I have even less desire to see them.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites longtimelurker 0 #24489 August 5, 2011 QuoteQuote"You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other" Is that not exactly what brought you here ? A yes or no please will suffice , no need for lengthy diatribes we've all seen and dismissed before,thanks. I came to the thread looking for information about the possibilites of the survival of the jump and to contact OLD Timers to see if any one remembered the man I knew as my husband who confessed to the crime. I still have never seen a parachute in person. I was looking to find out what the items Duane had in his possession could be as the man I sold them to at a garage sale after Duane died told me they were parts for a parachute. The thread evolved from that simple exploration and I will say the DZ member have been very courteous and helpful with that. What is happening now - is media is in the thread and raping it for anything they can acquire...and how it will be use only one can guess. You came to this thread or you created the initial thread ? Lets keep it correct please , now..you came here for information , did you expect to pay the good people here at DZ.com for that information or was it given freely ? I know the answers to these questions so please refrain from suggesting others are doing something you have been doing for years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #24490 August 5, 2011 Below is the post I made to the first thread which was closed. It was NOT my first post in the DZ as I have yet to find that one. Perhaps this will stop Lurker's questions. Nov 21, 2006, 9:40 PM Post #1 of 1694 (19458 views) Copy Shortcut Registered: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 3367 D B Cooper Unsolved Skyjacking -------------------------------------- It has been thirty five yrs since Cooper took his flight out of Portland to Seattle. Departing from Seattle he jumped with a $200 K ransom. I am the widow of a man who claimed that he was Cooper 11 days before he died in 1995. I have been researching his past for 11 yrs now and I need the help of this forum to uncover his jump history. So far I have done everything for the FBI except put him in a parachute. The help of those who read this forum will be appreciated. I don't want to debate theories about how the crime was done and who else may have done it. All I want is to find information about sky jumping and any information I might be able to find about Duane Lorin Weber and any of his AKA's. If anyone is interested I will post photos of him on the forum from different areas of his life in hopes that someone knows an old timer who might recognize him. The old timers usually don't use computers so it will help me immensely if you guys would print the photos and take them to your meetings or anyplace that these old timers might be found. Perhaps there is a magazine for jumpers that might run some of the photos. Please help me in my search and once and for all to bury Cooper. Respectfully, Jo Weber, Widow of Duane L. Weber aka Dan Cooper as he told me, plus the many aliases that he is known to have used.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites longtimelurker 0 #24491 August 5, 2011 As i said , i already knew the answer , i read that thread long ago and find it very eyeopening , even more so today. In one post there you talk about a mouse and how tina seen him off with the word of god etc .. and yet you lambast anyone who dares mention tina and all the while covet a meeting with her yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #24492 August 5, 2011 (I loathe this aspect of the media) This was my opinion. not a characterization. I have had run-ins with the local media here. Gave an interview and after their cut and paste editing, I could not believe it was me giving that interview. If it sells it is "game on". I agree with Orange1..TabloidMelvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #24493 August 5, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote"You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other" Is that not exactly what brought you here ? A yes or no please will suffice , no need for lengthy diatribes we've all seen and dismissed before,thanks. I came to the thread looking for information about the possibilites of the survival of the jump and to contact OLD Timers to see if any one remembered the man I knew as my husband who confessed to the crime. I still have never seen a parachute in person. I was looking to find out what the items Duane had in his possession could be as the man I sold them to at a garage sale after Duane died told me they were parts for a parachute. The thread evolved from that simple exploration and I will say the DZ member have been very courteous and helpful with that. What is happening now - is media is in the thread and raping it for anything they can acquire...and how it will be use only one can guess. You came to this thread or you created the initial thread ? Lets keep it correct please , now..you came here for information , did you expect to pay the good people here at DZ.com for that information or was it given freely ? I know the answers to these questions so please refrain from suggesting others are doing something you have been doing for years. Jo and Quade founded this thread - as I understand it. Jo has reminded us of this fact countless times and rules the roost here, in addition to her prolific extra-cirricular activities outside of this forum. . Maybe 377 knows more. Like Bruce, Jo does not hesitate to assert (intrude) herself whether people like it or not. Jo is one of those 'special' people you must take seriously if only for her threats and the games she plays with people, if you value your peace or your privacy. She is probably trying to find out who you are, right now so she can 'neutralise' you. Jo can switch back to innocence and supposed normalcy in a flash, telling people to calm down and reminding us she is 'blond'. To say Jo takes Liberties, is the understatement of the whole "Cooperphelia" ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #24494 August 5, 2011 QuoteIs correct and Vicki jumps into the lead with $200,000. Make another selection as you are still in control of the bored. Farf....Can I exit the game before the last round? I will take my $200,000 in twenty dollar bills, wrapped in rubber-bands and placed in a white canvas bank bag please. I have to get going....my plane will be taking off as soon as it is re-fueled!Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites longtimelurker 0 #24495 August 5, 2011 Much like ExBlue i have no dog in this race , im not LEO or the Media nor anyones alt as Skyjack71 suggests. However i have been on the internet long enough to see paranoia where it exists among overusers of these forums.I do not have a relation to put forward as DBC and have no desire to "steal" her thunder.The thread is titled DB Cooper , not Duane Weber so i try to post accordingly , Skyjack71 doesnt like that because i don't consider Weber a suspect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #24496 August 5, 2011 QuoteMuch like ExBlue i have no dog in this race , im not LEO or the Media nor anyones alt as Skyjack71 suggests. However i have been on the internet long enough to see paranoia where it exists among overusers of these forums.I do not have a relation to put forward as DBC and have no desire to "steal" her thunder.The thread is titled DB Cooper , not Duane Weber so i try to post accordingly , Skyjack71 doesnt like that because i don't consider Weber a suspect. ditto - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #24497 August 5, 2011 Quote From all the articles over the last 24 hours and leaks from LE, I've gathered that the new Cooper suspect is someone not previously on radar. They have gathered either finger print or DNA from a third party that is related or had a close relationship to the suspect. The suspect may be dead but did not die during the heist. So, in other words, he's just about as good of a suspect as the 4,825 (not an exact number ) of other suspects they've had over the years. All of which in the end turned out to not be DB Cooper.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #24498 August 5, 2011 Skyjack71 says: Folks, I need your help. I need to find out about skyjumpers in Georgia and S.C. and AL in 1968-1971. My handle tells the story - I am a 66 yrr old widow of a man who claimed he was D.B.Cooper or as he put it Dan Cooper. I have no knowledge of skyjumping, but when we were in Colorado we went into the mountains and there were jumpers jumping off of the cliffs - I don't remember what it was called, but that is not important. What is important is that he told me everything that they were doing and why they were doing it - this was in 1978 or 1979 and he was over a 50 yrs of age at that time. It was not until his deathbed confession that I understood why he knew all of this. Now after 12 yrs of research I hope I have found the place that can help me. I am not sure where he learned to skydive, but he did - he kept something called a D-ring which was bought off of me at a garage sale after he died and the man paid me a quarter for it and told me what it was...I didn't know the significance of the item because I did not understand what he was trying to tell me in 1996 when he die nor did I know who Dan Cooper was. The purpose of this post is HOW DO I FIND RECORDS OF JUMPERS FROM THAT TIME FRAME IN THOSE AREAS AND/OR PHOTOS OF JUMPERS FROM 1968 TO 1971? Can anyone help me? The FBI has not been of any help at all although they did take his DNA almost 4 yrs (MARCH OF 2003) ago after I had gone public, just to keep me quiet. My old puter crashed and I am having the photos pulled off next wk. I would like to circulate the photos of him from various times in his life to skyjumpers to see if anyone can recognize this man. My research of 10 feet deep is detailed and does everything except put him in a parachute. This is the one thing that will end this. This man I was married to for 17 yrs had been in 6 federal prisons in 7 states for a total of almost 17 yrs before I met and married him. I did not know of his criminal past and we had a good marriage. ANYONE WHO CAN HELP PLEASE CONTACT ME. P.S I even left my error on the post above. I didn't know how to make corrections. It was a copy and past that Atwardo did - perhaps he know where my first post was when I made the plea for help.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites longtimelurker 0 #24499 August 5, 2011 "She is probably trying to find out who you are, right now so she can 'neutralise' you. " All anyone need do is ask , but of course it is the internet and we know the old saying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #24500 August 5, 2011 QuoteJo and Quade founded this thread - as I understand it. Only partly true. Jo came onto the web site. Lot's of different threads were being made. The management felt it was an appropriate topic of discussion, but didn't want the skydiving aspect of the site to be taken over by the DB Cooper sub-topic. And make no bones about it, that's exactly what it is to us; a SUB-topic of discussion. Minor. Not all that damn relevant to the rest of the world of skydiving. It was felt that the History Forum was the place it should go, but even there we didn't want it to dominate and could be something that was completely avoidable by the rest of the users on the web site. That is why this has pretty much stuck to a single current thread. Jo does not "rule" this thread. If people didn't answer her, you'd see far fewer threads with her name in them. I, frankly, only come here when I'm bored to death or there is some huge issue that has blown up and I need to check in on it. As long as you guys play nice (something you don't always do apparently as you've been called out on being "bitchy" in the newspapers lately), you'll actually rarely see me. If you don't like to interact with a particular user . . . then don't. You'll be amazed at how far that goes into toning things down.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 Next Page 980 of 2568 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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skyjack71 0 #24478 August 5, 2011 Lurker: I am repeating the post below that answers your question, what do you not understand. You are sounding like a writer for the Enquirer looking for any information you can get for free. You go out and find youself a PI. I can't afford one and what has been done in the way of research - has been volunteered and is owned by those who discovered the information. Sluggo found one of the early marriage records - and it is still supect and unresolved. The 2 marriages where so close together - it leaves lots of question of if it can be counted as a marriage. What would any marriage Duane had prior to 1962 have to do with anything. We have explored Duane past martial records prior to 1962 and we only found 2 records of marriages back in the 40's. Both records were suspect and only 1 yr apart. Never found a marriage record for Edna who he supposedly had a child by named Zona born aroung 1943 -1946 as best as we can determine from a letter he sent to his mother about his father's death while he was in SanQuentin and what was shared with me by family members. We also had a letter where the mother had enquire of one of the 2 other marriages and this has been discussed in prior post. As for a PI - do you actually know what it would cost for a PI - more money than I have. The PI would have to actually go to different states and search archived records...he would also have to know the alias and /or recognize other aliases Duane used. We don't know them all. You have really not done any research at all and you do not absorb an answers when they are given. Why are you stuck on this unimportant subject? For all we know Duane was a bigamist - because we do not know how the 1st 2 marriages where disolved. We know about the common law from 1962 to 1972 who he did legally divorce. We know about the 1972 marriage and the disolution of that marriage. REPEAT of prior post: 1962 Duane met a woman he never legally married but they would be together until 1972. This wife he did legally divorce due to commonlaw rules in the state of Florida. She told me she left him in Nov of 1970 and that in Feb of 1971 she went back to him. This was the only wife he had during those yrs. From 1962 until 1958 they lived under the names of John C. Weber and mulitple aliases. She did NOT get custody of her children from a prior marriage until Duane was in Jefferson. She claimed she did not know his real name until he was released from Jefferson. Yet, they used many aliases from 1962 to 1968 so she must have known he was using an alias. I never called her down when I felt she was lieing to me - at least she was talking to me and did so until her death in I believe 2004. Even she used many aliases and therefore this indicates she was aware of this criminal activities. She admitted to being with him when he was running from the FBI in 1966 and she related the details that took place when he was arrested at the apt complex and about the FBI agent giving her a ride back to MO. where she had family and children. Obviously she was not charged with aiding and abeiting as she would today. I have a picture of her and her sister with Duane after he was released from Jefferson. They left Mo and headed to CO where her other sister lived. They both were working in Co when the FBI from MO. came knocking on their door in 1969. Now follow this and you will see it makes not sense. Duane had been released from Jefferson where he had been incarcerated as John Collins and received a "COMMUTATION" of sentence under that name and yet the authorities knew his name was Duane L. Weber - if indeed the FINGERPRINTS on file had been correct. Now does anyone see why I question the FINGERPRINT FILE. Both Duane and his wife where heavy drinkers and liked to party heavy. When the FBI came looking for him in CO they put the KIDS in the car and headed for N.Orleans. and abandon one call along the highway with a continenial kid. They had purchased another car and took refuse with 4 kids at someone Duane had known from his past. I know the name but will not state it in this thread. Some very very bad thinks happened to the children during this time frame...but they would move to Mobile, Al where Duane worked in Insurance sales. How did he get an insurance license in AL and be an excon? When the big hurricane was going into that area (I guess 1968/69 - I believe it was Camile) they headed to Atlanta with the kids. 2 vehicles. In Atlanta, Ga - Duane again goes to work selling insurance and the first company was the JMWAVE organization. I have all of their tax files from 1968 to 1972 when they got divorced. I have their work records for those periods...the FBI hasnever been interested in looking at them. Some terrible things had happened in N.O. to the children and this cause a lot of bitterness on the part of Duane - someone ended up dead (unsolved) and under supicious cause. I can only speculate about what Duane did when they found out what had happened to the kids...I believe he was capable of murder if the circumstance presented itself. At any rate - she never knew him to read a book either. She also knew about the things I did regarding Jefferson. We spent many hours talking on my dime. She would call me in the middle of the night - it was 12 midnight there and be 2 AM my time and it had to go to work, but I would always call her back because she could not afford the long distance calls. She was usually very much under the influence when she called me. I have notes of most conversations. There was a very brief and volitile marriage to one woman after his divorce to the above woman - Duane's friend can explain that better than I can. The marriage was legal for about 5 yrs but they only lived together off and on - I won't go into the details of that marriage as it has NOTHING to do with what we are discussing...and the woman wants NOTHING to do with any of this - she does NOT want to be involved. She just told me Duane Weber was a horrible man - but the man I knew was a good man. This woman came after Duane yrs later for many thousands of dollars which depleted our savingings and renewals and his credit because he had to file for bankruptcy - large amounts of money put onto accounts in his name for purchase and renovations of the home they bought. Since these things from his past did NOT involve me - I was NOT part of the bankruptcy and my credit was left unscathed. Why everything we did was under my name credit wise. How did a man out of prison have money to pay alimony and take care of an expensive new wife. Perhaps these are the question the FBI should have been puzzled about. I have the tax records and they do NOT support the LIFE STYLE and money spent. Maybe she was the one who had money - I do not know. What Duane Weber read prior to 1962 is relavant - it is a mute point. Duane was NOT a READER of books. Therefore the rare ocassion he did read a book is very very vivid and the subject matter is suspect. You are doing a BRUCE SMITH here and his current actions are that of a Smut magazine writer and I consider that Stalking. You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #24479 August 5, 2011 QuoteQuoteI think someone being HALO qualified would make them a better candidate but not by much. An experienced static line jumper--think old school paratrooper--would probably be silly enough to attempt the jump even if he'd never had any freefall/skydiving/HALO training. yeah, the Air America 727 jumps were S/L. Anyone who had seen them or knew of them would figure you could just pull right off the stairs and it would be roughly the same, not much freefall. Halo/freefall experience would help but a paratrooper or smoke jumper wirth only S/L jumps could do OK. 377 By the same token, anyone sitting in an airport watching humans board a 727 up the rear stairs could put 1+1 together and conclude the same thing, plus not know how to get the magic stairs open which satisfies another evidentiary point. Now: assuming a population of 3 billion on the planet and say 20,000 special forces people worldwide (people with parachute training) the probability of your scenario is 1 in 6.6667E6 or roughly (one in 7 billion). The probability of my scenario is nearly 100%. These are non weighted oppotunistic probabilities. The math speaks for itself. If your car suddenly goes missing do you automatically assume a NASCAR driver must have stolen it, after reading the Dan Cooper comic? What is at stake here is ordinary vs. extra-ordinary. Something specialists at this blog are unwilling to even admit to. So enjoy your dreams - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #24480 August 5, 2011 Tina = Victim Mountain News and Bruce Smith = Stalker (I loathe this aspect of the media) Quote Your characterization of my professional conduct is incorrect, Vicki. I am a persistent, careful and impeccible journalist seeking information from the primary witness in one of the top criminal mysteries of our time. Remember, Ms. Mucklow is a public figure, even though she is uncomfortable with her status. She also has a responsiblity, in my view, to help folks who are trying to find the guy who threatened to kill her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #24481 August 5, 2011 QuoteQuoteI hope she sues the hell out of him, but he doesn't have a pot to piss out of or a window to throw it out. He is a hungry journalist looking for fame and he does NOT care who he hurts in the process. Yawn. Here we go with lawsuit threats again. And what damages could Tina collect? The burden of proving damages is on the plaintiff. She asked Bruce to leave and he did. Get a grip folks, it was one very short visit to her doorstep. Some are invested in portraying Tina as an exceedingly fragile amd dysfunctional person whose life can be irretrievably ruined by a single visit and one minute encounter with a pushy reporter. Let Tina handle this herself. She doesn't need us as uninvited guardians. 377 377, He took pictures of her and put them online - that is Stalking. You are an attorney - and your post above is the most insensitive post I have ever heard come from you. I actully didn't think you made the post and had to take a second look. You have usually been the voice of reason in the thread.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longtimelurker 0 #24482 August 5, 2011 "You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other" Is that not exactly what brought you here ? A yes or no please will suffice , no need for lengthy diatribes we've all seen and dismissed before,thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #24483 August 5, 2011 Since there are so many newbies to the DB Cooper case now reading the DZ, I thought this video link may be helpful. In particular, it has a great interview with Florence Schaffner, back in the day, Yes, the video was made to further the work of Galen Cook and his championing of William P Gossett as DB Cooper, but the information is compelling, and serves a greater purpose here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tRGP7t1U6s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #24484 August 5, 2011 Vicki’s answer, “Who......is..............Jo Weber; aka Mrs. Cooper????” Is correct and Vicki jumps into the lead with $200,000. Make another selection as you are still in control of the bored. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #24485 August 5, 2011 Quote"You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other" Is that not exactly what brought you here ? A yes or no please will suffice , no need for lengthy diatribes we've all seen and dismissed before,thanks. no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longtimelurker 0 #24486 August 5, 2011 The question was to Skyjack71 , if you feel you can answer for her then by all means , what brought her here to this or any other forum/messageboard she frequents ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #24487 August 5, 2011 Quote"You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other" Is that not exactly what brought you here ? A yes or no please will suffice , no need for lengthy diatribes we've all seen and dismissed before,thanks. I came to the thread looking for information about the possibilites of the survival of the jump and to contact OLD Timers to see if any one remembered the man I knew as my husband who confessed to the crime. I still have never seen a parachute in person. I was looking to find out what the items Duane had in his possession could be as the man I sold them to at a garage sale after Duane died told me they were parts for a parachute. The thread evolved from that simple exploration and I will say the DZ member have been very courteous and helpful with that. What is happening now - is media is in the thread and raping it for anything they can acquire...and how it will be use only one can guess.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #24488 August 5, 2011 Quote Whaa- Pat? You're not even curious to see what Tina Mucklow looks like these days? Really? I have no interest either. If she had agreed to talk to you about the case I would have loved to read it. But no interest in seeing photos - it sounds a bit tabloidy, and given your description of the encounter I doubt she was captured in a willing, smiling pose for the camera. If the photos were indeed captured paparazzi-style, I have even less desire to see them.Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longtimelurker 0 #24489 August 5, 2011 QuoteQuote"You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other" Is that not exactly what brought you here ? A yes or no please will suffice , no need for lengthy diatribes we've all seen and dismissed before,thanks. I came to the thread looking for information about the possibilites of the survival of the jump and to contact OLD Timers to see if any one remembered the man I knew as my husband who confessed to the crime. I still have never seen a parachute in person. I was looking to find out what the items Duane had in his possession could be as the man I sold them to at a garage sale after Duane died told me they were parts for a parachute. The thread evolved from that simple exploration and I will say the DZ member have been very courteous and helpful with that. What is happening now - is media is in the thread and raping it for anything they can acquire...and how it will be use only one can guess. You came to this thread or you created the initial thread ? Lets keep it correct please , now..you came here for information , did you expect to pay the good people here at DZ.com for that information or was it given freely ? I know the answers to these questions so please refrain from suggesting others are doing something you have been doing for years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #24490 August 5, 2011 Below is the post I made to the first thread which was closed. It was NOT my first post in the DZ as I have yet to find that one. Perhaps this will stop Lurker's questions. Nov 21, 2006, 9:40 PM Post #1 of 1694 (19458 views) Copy Shortcut Registered: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 3367 D B Cooper Unsolved Skyjacking -------------------------------------- It has been thirty five yrs since Cooper took his flight out of Portland to Seattle. Departing from Seattle he jumped with a $200 K ransom. I am the widow of a man who claimed that he was Cooper 11 days before he died in 1995. I have been researching his past for 11 yrs now and I need the help of this forum to uncover his jump history. So far I have done everything for the FBI except put him in a parachute. The help of those who read this forum will be appreciated. I don't want to debate theories about how the crime was done and who else may have done it. All I want is to find information about sky jumping and any information I might be able to find about Duane Lorin Weber and any of his AKA's. If anyone is interested I will post photos of him on the forum from different areas of his life in hopes that someone knows an old timer who might recognize him. The old timers usually don't use computers so it will help me immensely if you guys would print the photos and take them to your meetings or anyplace that these old timers might be found. Perhaps there is a magazine for jumpers that might run some of the photos. Please help me in my search and once and for all to bury Cooper. Respectfully, Jo Weber, Widow of Duane L. Weber aka Dan Cooper as he told me, plus the many aliases that he is known to have used.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longtimelurker 0 #24491 August 5, 2011 As i said , i already knew the answer , i read that thread long ago and find it very eyeopening , even more so today. In one post there you talk about a mouse and how tina seen him off with the word of god etc .. and yet you lambast anyone who dares mention tina and all the while covet a meeting with her yourself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #24492 August 5, 2011 (I loathe this aspect of the media) This was my opinion. not a characterization. I have had run-ins with the local media here. Gave an interview and after their cut and paste editing, I could not believe it was me giving that interview. If it sells it is "game on". I agree with Orange1..TabloidMelvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #24493 August 5, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote"You are looking for FREE information acquired at the expense of other" Is that not exactly what brought you here ? A yes or no please will suffice , no need for lengthy diatribes we've all seen and dismissed before,thanks. I came to the thread looking for information about the possibilites of the survival of the jump and to contact OLD Timers to see if any one remembered the man I knew as my husband who confessed to the crime. I still have never seen a parachute in person. I was looking to find out what the items Duane had in his possession could be as the man I sold them to at a garage sale after Duane died told me they were parts for a parachute. The thread evolved from that simple exploration and I will say the DZ member have been very courteous and helpful with that. What is happening now - is media is in the thread and raping it for anything they can acquire...and how it will be use only one can guess. You came to this thread or you created the initial thread ? Lets keep it correct please , now..you came here for information , did you expect to pay the good people here at DZ.com for that information or was it given freely ? I know the answers to these questions so please refrain from suggesting others are doing something you have been doing for years. Jo and Quade founded this thread - as I understand it. Jo has reminded us of this fact countless times and rules the roost here, in addition to her prolific extra-cirricular activities outside of this forum. . Maybe 377 knows more. Like Bruce, Jo does not hesitate to assert (intrude) herself whether people like it or not. Jo is one of those 'special' people you must take seriously if only for her threats and the games she plays with people, if you value your peace or your privacy. She is probably trying to find out who you are, right now so she can 'neutralise' you. Jo can switch back to innocence and supposed normalcy in a flash, telling people to calm down and reminding us she is 'blond'. To say Jo takes Liberties, is the understatement of the whole "Cooperphelia" ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #24494 August 5, 2011 QuoteIs correct and Vicki jumps into the lead with $200,000. Make another selection as you are still in control of the bored. Farf....Can I exit the game before the last round? I will take my $200,000 in twenty dollar bills, wrapped in rubber-bands and placed in a white canvas bank bag please. I have to get going....my plane will be taking off as soon as it is re-fueled!Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longtimelurker 0 #24495 August 5, 2011 Much like ExBlue i have no dog in this race , im not LEO or the Media nor anyones alt as Skyjack71 suggests. However i have been on the internet long enough to see paranoia where it exists among overusers of these forums.I do not have a relation to put forward as DBC and have no desire to "steal" her thunder.The thread is titled DB Cooper , not Duane Weber so i try to post accordingly , Skyjack71 doesnt like that because i don't consider Weber a suspect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #24496 August 5, 2011 QuoteMuch like ExBlue i have no dog in this race , im not LEO or the Media nor anyones alt as Skyjack71 suggests. However i have been on the internet long enough to see paranoia where it exists among overusers of these forums.I do not have a relation to put forward as DBC and have no desire to "steal" her thunder.The thread is titled DB Cooper , not Duane Weber so i try to post accordingly , Skyjack71 doesnt like that because i don't consider Weber a suspect. ditto - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24497 August 5, 2011 Quote From all the articles over the last 24 hours and leaks from LE, I've gathered that the new Cooper suspect is someone not previously on radar. They have gathered either finger print or DNA from a third party that is related or had a close relationship to the suspect. The suspect may be dead but did not die during the heist. So, in other words, he's just about as good of a suspect as the 4,825 (not an exact number ) of other suspects they've had over the years. All of which in the end turned out to not be DB Cooper.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #24498 August 5, 2011 Skyjack71 says: Folks, I need your help. I need to find out about skyjumpers in Georgia and S.C. and AL in 1968-1971. My handle tells the story - I am a 66 yrr old widow of a man who claimed he was D.B.Cooper or as he put it Dan Cooper. I have no knowledge of skyjumping, but when we were in Colorado we went into the mountains and there were jumpers jumping off of the cliffs - I don't remember what it was called, but that is not important. What is important is that he told me everything that they were doing and why they were doing it - this was in 1978 or 1979 and he was over a 50 yrs of age at that time. It was not until his deathbed confession that I understood why he knew all of this. Now after 12 yrs of research I hope I have found the place that can help me. I am not sure where he learned to skydive, but he did - he kept something called a D-ring which was bought off of me at a garage sale after he died and the man paid me a quarter for it and told me what it was...I didn't know the significance of the item because I did not understand what he was trying to tell me in 1996 when he die nor did I know who Dan Cooper was. The purpose of this post is HOW DO I FIND RECORDS OF JUMPERS FROM THAT TIME FRAME IN THOSE AREAS AND/OR PHOTOS OF JUMPERS FROM 1968 TO 1971? Can anyone help me? The FBI has not been of any help at all although they did take his DNA almost 4 yrs (MARCH OF 2003) ago after I had gone public, just to keep me quiet. My old puter crashed and I am having the photos pulled off next wk. I would like to circulate the photos of him from various times in his life to skyjumpers to see if anyone can recognize this man. My research of 10 feet deep is detailed and does everything except put him in a parachute. This is the one thing that will end this. This man I was married to for 17 yrs had been in 6 federal prisons in 7 states for a total of almost 17 yrs before I met and married him. I did not know of his criminal past and we had a good marriage. ANYONE WHO CAN HELP PLEASE CONTACT ME. P.S I even left my error on the post above. I didn't know how to make corrections. It was a copy and past that Atwardo did - perhaps he know where my first post was when I made the plea for help.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longtimelurker 0 #24499 August 5, 2011 "She is probably trying to find out who you are, right now so she can 'neutralise' you. " All anyone need do is ask , but of course it is the internet and we know the old saying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #24500 August 5, 2011 QuoteJo and Quade founded this thread - as I understand it. Only partly true. Jo came onto the web site. Lot's of different threads were being made. The management felt it was an appropriate topic of discussion, but didn't want the skydiving aspect of the site to be taken over by the DB Cooper sub-topic. And make no bones about it, that's exactly what it is to us; a SUB-topic of discussion. Minor. Not all that damn relevant to the rest of the world of skydiving. It was felt that the History Forum was the place it should go, but even there we didn't want it to dominate and could be something that was completely avoidable by the rest of the users on the web site. That is why this has pretty much stuck to a single current thread. Jo does not "rule" this thread. If people didn't answer her, you'd see far fewer threads with her name in them. I, frankly, only come here when I'm bored to death or there is some huge issue that has blown up and I need to check in on it. As long as you guys play nice (something you don't always do apparently as you've been called out on being "bitchy" in the newspapers lately), you'll actually rarely see me. If you don't like to interact with a particular user . . . then don't. You'll be amazed at how far that goes into toning things down.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
