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I still swear by all that is dear to me - I did see that picture of 3 men in front of what I assume to be a prison. This was early in 2000. It was among the very first searches I ever did on a computer.

As 377 as pointed out previously, there is some documentation that men from minimal security prisons were used to help fight fires -- clearing brush, digging trenches, etc. but not smoke jumping. Maybe that's where you got your idea from.

I think I've read this too, but even if this is just an assumption, it would seem logical that most smoke jumpers would be recruited from folks that had experience or training in fighting fires. They had to know about about the mechanism of fires and the maneuvers to use to stop the fire. The jumping was a means of transport, right? -- fighting the fire was the true objective. Surely recruiters would rather have them know how to fight fires first and foremost - then they could be taught how to jump.

To put Duane or any other prisoner in a smoke jumper's chute would assume that they had experience or training in fire fighting. That alone makes the whole scenario a bit of a stretch.

I do not believe I ever claimed that Weber "learned' how to jump while in prison. I never got beyond the pictures of the 3 guys who where ex-cons who had volunteered for this pilot or purposed program.

Between 1988 and 1995 - there was a BIG fire in the West. Duane stayed glued to the TV. He said he knew some of the guys who use to be based there.
I just do NOT remember where this big fires was - this was a huge fire. I had come home from work and still had my paper work to do before I could go to bed. This was when he talked about back-fires and used a lot of the terminology I found in Young Men and Fires. Duane told me about Missoula on the 1979 trip.

I know that Duane had connections with forestry and he had the training for forestry - and I expect that had to do with the prison system in some way.
I know none of that for fact - but, there was no conceivable reason for him to lie to me...he just always omitted prisons.

I know for a FACT he knew Paperlegs Petersen...and he was a jumper and communications guy. Duane went to see him while he was married to me - end of 1979 or early 1980...in Landon - I just remembered the white-out.

Duane knew Paperlegs from CO. or the few months he and MJ where in Az or Tx - it is in my notes and recordings.

I have been at this way too long and I am too old and tired to continue much longer. Everyday at this is another day lost out of my life. The FBI has NEVER really listened to me - right now that are individuals trying to put this into some kind of order so the FBI will listen - so they will have to listen.

Right now I am too tired to keep repeating and repeating myself day after day. I will let the professionals do it now...a time line has been developed for Weber - one that disputes the FBI windows. There is MORE circumstancial evidence regarding Weber than any other subject. Somehow or for some reason the FBI has ignored Weber, but they won't be ignoring him anymore!

Goodnight.

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Geoger: I have realy tried in the past to post Info. Well Not me But Shelly Has She is the computer expert. Wow She is so excited over her Birthday Present. Damned Amazing. This has nothing to do with the Cooper Case Ecept I have to fly back to Georgia then on to Florida.My time to injoy reality. Jerry

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Geoger: I have realy tried in the past to post Info. Well Not me But Shelly Has She is the computer expert. Wow She is so excited over her Birthday Present. Damned Amazing. This has nothing to do with the Cooper Case Ecept I have to fly back to Georgia then on to Florida.My time to injoy reality. Jerry

Have fun. Take Shelly along.

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I know that Duane had connections with forestry and he had the training for forestry - and I expect that had to do with the prison system in some way.
I know none of that for fact - but, there was no conceivable reason for him to lie to me...he just always omitted prisons.

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swinging a broom or a rake...

Jo you are throwing the word "forestry" around
like it was Bud Lite. In the end it will be you picking
up the bar tab, for everyone! Nothing is free in this
life for anyone.

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Jo: Its time to admit Your deception on this case. Or you can admit you you have lied. No matter to me Seer you soon. Ill give you one chance to save face. Its up to you.It is the same choice I gave you in The year 2000 that you Excepted Still yopu went on to other Means , Web sites and other BS,Jerry

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Find the family who is missing books on that flight that were never returned to them. The book was in water - or moisture while in Duane's possession and crumbling along the lower edge.

Jo,

Does it really make sense that Cooper would take a couple of books left behind by passengers? Every minute counted. He barely had means for carrying the currency. Why on earth would Cooper take a couple of books with him on his jump?

Nobody is interested in your book theory. It's too speculative and unlikely.

Show us the picture of the parachute hardware that resembles what you found in Duanes belongings. Don't tease just show it.

You have repeatedly ducked my question as to whether you attended a smoke jumper convention. It's a simple question.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Jerry, how about putting the transcript on here or a link to the conversations. There are plenty of sites to upload your audio to. Let the DZ folks here what you keep talking about. If what you say about Jo is true put it on here for all of us to hear.

I never gave Jerry permission to record me and he coerced me and knew I did not know the names of the places - he insisted I was on I-5 when I was not. He gave me the names of places - and I had NO map...to contradict him. I accepted what he said because he was the man on the ground.

Needless to say I can't keep trying to explain this - useless. The man is crazy. When I went to WA in 2001 I then called Jerry and told him none of what he told me was right. He didn't even understand the lake and kept claiming Duane doubled back on me and I was on the Columbia rather than at a Lake. it went on and on and on like this.

Jerry put me in the ER twice - and if he comes near me he will be arrested.

I do NOT ever want to be anywhere near JT - he is a very very dangerous man and armed.

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Find the family who is missing books on that flight that were never returned to them. The book was in water - or moisture while in Duane's possession and crumbling along the lower edge.

Jo,

Does it really make sense that Cooper would take a couple of books left behind by passengers? Every minute counted. He barely had means for carrying the currency. Why on earth would Cooper take a couple of books with him on his jump?

Nobody is interested in your book theory. It's too speculative and unlikely.

Show us the picture of the parachute hardware that resembles what you found in Duanes belongings. Don't tease just show it.

You have repeatedly ducked my question as to whether you attended a smoke jumper convention. It's a simple question.

377

I have never attended a Smokejumper conventions. I thought the question was just a joke question, but you are serious?

The books are small - and if he touched them - he had to take them - right? Perhaps they came from someplace else - but until I find out for sure - I still think the little girl is Tina.

I won't comment on the hardware until I hold it in my hand. Then and only then can I be certain and not sure after all these yrs I wil know then...

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Jo: Its time to admit Your deception on this case. Or you can admit you you have lied. No matter to me Seer you soon. Ill give you one chance to save face. Its up to you.It is the same choice I gave you in The year 2000 that you Excepted Still yopu went on to other Means , Web sites and other BS,Jerry

You gave me a choice in 2000!???
YOU coerced me in 2000 and when I WENT to WA in 2001- I found it was YOU who deceived and lied to me. Then in 2001 I called you and told you what I thought of you - and I did NOT speak to you again until last yr.

I called you in 2010 after I got back from WA on my own this past yr. and found most of my places - and you never admitted you lied to me. Instead all you said during that time - WAS "Tell l me you lied over and over and over". You are crazy.

If anyone on this thread has a heart and a brain they will remember how torn up I was.
You have put me in the hospital before and I cannot and will not handle your threats...right now you have me so upset I have to take medication - but you get some kind of SICK thrill out of that don't you?

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I know that Duane had connections with forestry and he had the training for forestry - and I expect that had to do with the prison system in some way.
I know none of that for fact - but, there was no conceivable reason for him to lie to me...he just always omitted prisons.

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swinging a broom or a rake...

Jo you are throwing the word "forestry" around
like it was Bud Lite. In the end it will be you picking
up the bar tab, for everyone! Nothing is free in this
life for anyone.



Duane told me he had ranger training and this was forestry. What he did - I do not know.
He may have dug ditches - I do know he knew the terminology very well....because when I read the book Young Men and Fires the things he told me where all in that book.

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I won't comment on the hardware until I hold it in my hand. Then and only then can I be certain and not sure after all these yrs I wil know then...

Jo,

I went to considerable trouble to find and send you numerous photos of parachute hardware. Now I ask you to show me which photo resembles what Duane had and you decline, saying you have to physically hold it. How do you propose to get the physical item may I ask?

This is why people get frustrated with you. There is no sense of fairness or reciprocity. How can you ask for help and then tease about the results?

The book theory is so far fetched as to be laughable. Don't waste your time on these ideas. You could be doing something far more fulfilling.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Jo You Gave pemission Its on the tape Now like I said its up to you Tell the truth or be proven a liar in front of your Piers. . Oh!! I guess you already Have BY SAYING THAT YOU NEVER GAVE ME PERMISSION TO RECORD OUR CONVERSATION. even the permission is on the tape and you no it The problem is that you have been caught in a lot of lie's and you no it . You have been warned many times now its . Your day of reconing. Hell by your response to my post you have admitted it, how ever its to late I Will be at your location in less than 3 days you no it now you have recieved the verificaton E Mail.Bottom line admit it on this Forum OR BE PROVEN IN FRONT OF YOUR PIERS THAT YOU HAVE ALTERED ALL YOUR DATA. to benifit yor BS. Jerry

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For what its worth....
Looks like Engelbert Humperdinck regularly played the Sahara Tahoe in the fall of 1979. So far I see ads for August, September, October, December. (Ads did not have the dates)
In November 22-28, he was slated to play at the MGM grand in Vegas.
He played in Chicago September 11-16.

I couldn't spend a whole lot of time on it, but maybe this will give you something to go on.

Thank You, it is more than we found. Definitely after Sept 16 and before the second wk of Oct.
I do not even know which Casino we were in and I have NO momentos from that trip of the picture we had made on Lake Tahoe on a dinner cruise.

I kept thinking Hahara, but Sahara might be it. I still put that trip either the last wk of Sept or the 1st wk of Oct. Really believe it was the last Wk of Sept or I would not have asked the question about wearing apparell. I was warm enough in alt Lke for shorts, but by evening in The Dalles it was pants weather and the entire time we were in Seattle my winter wardrobe was fine. I remembered Duane telling me to be sure to take my raincoat.

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Jo You Gave pemission Its on the tape Now like I said its up to you Tell the truth or be proven a liar in front of your Piers. . Oh!! I guess you already Have BY SAYING THAT YOU NEVER GAVE ME PERMISSION TO RECORD OUR CONVERSATION. even the permission is on the tape and you no it The problem is that you have been caught in a lot of lie's and you no it . You have been warned many times now its . Your day of reconing. Hell by your response to my post you have admitted it, how ever its to late I Will be at your location in less than 3 days you no it now you have recieved the verificaton E Mail.Bottom line admit it on this Forum OR BE PROVEN IN FRONT OF YOUR PIERS THAT YOU HAVE ALTERED ALL YOUR DATA. to benifit yor BS. Jerry

I may have given you permission to tape something for your own use, but not to be publicized. I also know this was after you had told me all the WRONG places - WHY DON"T YOU ADMIT that you refused to be the GUIDE in 2001 - and you told the TV crew where to take me. You had them taking me up I-5 and no where near Battleground or Heisson or Lake LaCames - even Bruce knows about Lake LaCames and Green MT. YOU DENIED that Mt was there over and over and over.

I got your ASS in black and white - because of my emails with the TV program. My emails to the director and her emails to me. There is also the RADIO program when I spoke to them which was before you got inside of my brain and tried to do the brain WASHING you did in Vietnam. Doug Pasternac was part of this interview.

What about my letters to Mr. Himmelsbach with the drawings on them. I made copies and I still have them. Anyone from WA looking at that drawing knows exactly where I was and it was NOT on I-5. Yes, I was on I-5 later that day, but NOT that morning. If someone did NOT have a map of the area - you can tell them anything you want, but YOU know as soon as I had a MAP of the area and after I got back to FLA in 2001 you KNEW I had caught your deception. This deception is NOTED in the email after I got back to the producer.

Listen I will not argue with you, but if you show up here be sure YOU have an attorney.

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I kept thinking Hahara, but Sahara might be it. .

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Jo I Never refused To do any thing for you. You Refused To except my guidence in the Documentary That you filmed In 2000. Ralph and the crew tried to get you to let me help. Instead you refused. . Funny Ralph and the Film crew said that you could and would not Identify any thing. After they left you, you came up with a BS story about a Female Truck Driver. And Duane Playing in a club with Brad Pitt and others. I still have the Map you sent me in 2000. Another one of your lies. Now that is going to be funny when that is shown along with the letter you sent with it stating that Duane Had stolen a boat and rowed accross a lake then walked to the columbia river and buried the money. It was Kind of like your Cheese cake recipe. Still BS.I Well See you sooin It is obvous that all You will do is to continue to BS everthing. Actually Im glad . I gave you a choice You have chosen to Ignore it. So do Not complain when I Prove you a liar in front of all your Friends in Florida. Funny thing is it will be published and viewed on your local TV as well. One more thing Jo an Atorney is never a problem for me. Jerry

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Jerry, Hope you take this with the spirit intended...

You know I don't have a problem with calling out Jo when I think she's full of it, and I understand why you might be frustrated.

But I have to say that it seems you are getting way too wrapped up in this back and forth with her. Maybe it's just the way you type your sentences, but your posts to her are coming across as a little threatening.., I sure wish you would cool it down some. Threatening to go to an elderly woman's home and show her a thing or two is a little over the top, don't you think? And maybe that's not what you meant, but it certainly comes across that way.

If you and Jo would just quit responding to each other, you could peacefully co-exist on opposite sides of the US. Neither theory is gonna be proven or disproven by acting out on an internet forum. Not only that - it discrediits the forum and makes us all look like idiots for being party to it.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Jerry, how about putting the transcript on here or a link to the conversations. There are plenty of sites to upload your audio to. Let the DZ folks here what you keep talking about. If what you say about Jo is true put it on here for all of us to hear.

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Mr Green. Be Glad To One problem . I have tried It has to much Info the forum will not except that much or more than 200. Mega Bites

As Mr. Green noted, there are free upload sites where you can upload as much as 5 gb, maybe more. Esnips, fileden, filefactory are examples. Way too many to list.
It's pretty easy - You upload the material to the upload website then you post a link to that website so others can access it. Free means ads usually, no biggie, but of course all of them have premium memberships.
I have used fileden before for video files and mp3s. It works great.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Jerry, how about putting the transcript on here or a link to the conversations. There are plenty of sites to upload your audio to. Let the DZ folks here what you keep talking about. If what you say about Jo is true put it on here for all of us to hear.

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Mr Green. Be Glad To One problem . I have tried It has to much Info the forum will not except that much or more than 200. Mega Bites

As Mr. Green noted, there are free upload sites where you can upload as much as 5 gb, maybe more. Esnips, fileden, filefactory are examples. Way too many to list.
It's pretty easy - You upload the material to the upload website then you post a link to that website so others can access it. Free means ads usually, no biggie, but of course all of them have premium memberships.
I have used fileden before for video files and mp3s. It works great.

I can upload Jo's email to me about having SA
Larry Carr fired - if you like !?

Wont take any 5 gb.

I am sure Jerry appreciates your 'help' but a major
issue in this whole debacle is 'control', isn't it. And
who has been controlling and seeking to control.

There is a fine line between control and help.
Maybe you should not give the appearance of
controling also? Especially in favor of one party,
when you dont know the history?

Just a suggestion based on experience here.

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Some folks on this thread have been rather nasty to me, but after dealing with a certain reviewer over at Amazon, none of it bothers me much.

The Infamous Brent Butler is WAY worse.

After 18 months of abuse, I finally wrote an article about it that has received close to 3,000 pageviews. I mean, compared to Butler, Georger is my best buddy from grade school or something. (*smiles*) And I understand why Georger gets miffed at me sometimes. I've actually tried to avoid mentions of a certain suspect lately and especially the title of a certain book, just to show him I'm trying harder to comply with his wishes.

Wishes=Don't mention those two things unless absolutely necessary or if you (I) are asked first. Okay, no problem.

But Brent Butler? This guy is ridiculous. At least Georger has some manners. See article:

Now there is the proper way to "neutralise"
somebody! Namely me. I take it with grace.
Maybe Blevins has some smarts after-all; I'm
astounded and pleased!

Thank you, sir. (Holy Moses! Maybe I can make it into the White Shrine after all, Torah and all?)

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Ha ha. Nah...that guy Butler is REALLY bad, that's all. I sometimes toy with him in comments on his review. He downloaded our free PDF that was available for a time in January 2010. The rest was history. I asked Amazon once if they could at least move his review over to the original edition of the book, instead of the version he never read, but they wouldn't do it. What the heck.

Sometimes people need a lesson in manners, no kidding. And Butler is one of those people. He went to Newsvine, specifically to head moderator Tyler Adams, and tried to get them to take down the article. They refused, saying that I only asked a question in the headline and then provided evidence to fill in a possible answer to that question. So it wasn't defamation, which was his claim. This REALLY pissed him off. (*laughs*)

Votes and comments at Newsvine are no gauge on how many people actually read or see an article. You have to be a member to vote. The vast majority of readers at Newsvine are not members. Google Analytics tells me that about 500-700 pageviews a week are going to the article. The first week it was close to two thousand.

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'How do you like me now...'

It's a small thing, that article. But Butler is completely anonymous at Amazon. I had no other recourse but to go outside, as they say. I hope he chokes on it.

I havent the faintest idea whot his Butler is and
dont really care to know, but I appreciate your
comments. I will return the favor. Im astounded!
Thanks!
G.

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Jerry, how about putting the transcript on here or a link to the conversations. There are plenty of sites to upload your audio to. Let the DZ folks here what you keep talking about. If what you say about Jo is true put it on here for all of us to hear.

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Mr Green. Be Glad To One problem . I have tried It has to much Info the forum will not except that much or more than 200. Mega Bites

As Mr. Green noted, there are free upload sites where you can upload as much as 5 gb, maybe more. Esnips, fileden, filefactory are examples. Way too many to list.
It's pretty easy - You upload the material to the upload website then you post a link to that website so others can access it. Free means ads usually, no biggie, but of course all of them have premium memberships.
I have used fileden before for video files and mp3s. It works great.

I can upload Jo's email to me about having SA
Larry Carr fired - if you like !?

Wont take any 5 gb.

I am sure Jerry appreciates your 'help' but a major
issue in this whole debacle is 'control', isn't it. And
who has been controlling and seeking to control.

There is a fine line between control and help.
Maybe you should not give the appearance of
controling also? Especially in favor of one party,
when you dont know the history?

Just a suggestion based on experience here.

I have been registered on this forum since June 2008. Before that I was a frequent reader from the beginning. Jo doesn't get a free pass from me. Granted she brings most of this on herself with her diatribes, ranting, endless conspiracies and nut job postings. Not to mention her endless teases, her excuses as to why she can't post anything to back up those teases, and her gall to ask the folks that she publically disdains for help. And yes, if she had anything to do with Carr gettin transferred, that is beyond the pale. I personally would hate to think that the FBI would stoop to that based on anything Jo had to say.

To quote an overused phrase, I have no dog in this fight.

That said, while all of this might be entertaining to some, I personally think a broad line should be drawn when folks start talking about going to someone's home or location. But that's just me.

I hope Jerry took my post in the constructive way it was meant. Jerry has posted many times that he will not respond to Jo. Then he can't help himself and digs right back in. Just trying to make him see that

#1. It's pointless, and

#2. It's too easy to get carried away by words on a forum. And words can come back to haunt you.

If Jerry wants to publicize his conversations with her, then he should just do it. There's plenty of ways to do it on the internet. Or he could send copies to media outlets around the country. With the national interest in DB right now he could probably get prime time national coverage. I yield to 377's experience when he alludes to the fact that talks of lawsuits are ridiculous ramblings.

Just saying.....I stand by my post to Jerry. My only regret is that I did not pm it to him instead of posting it. For that I apologize.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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I kept thinking Hahara, but Sahara might be it. .

Now Duane was -- JEWISH!? oy vey!

Hahara, but Sahara. Maybe Haaretz.

You actually enjoy this mashugana gevalt!

I see a pattern - ATTENTION!

Threats - Lawsuits - Dirty Triks -

How many miles do you get per broom?

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Jo keeps denying she had anything to do with Carr having to leave this forum. I, for one, would certainly be interested if there was proof otherwise. If nothing else, it's a good guide to how reliable someone is should they deny something that can be proved to be in fact true.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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I have been thinking about something for a VERY long time and NOW my decision is made.
I was trying to put this off until I saw where my health was going.

Now I know I have only one choice and hope that choice does NOT damage my health further.
It means putting off the other operation for awhile and spending money I cannot afford to do. I means making myself vulnerable to others. I am the one who CHOSE to take my stand in this thread because it was less intrusive into my life.

Now I feel there is NO choice other than to confront the FBI in person and by going public. I never wanted to do this - I kept hoping the FBI would find their own errors and frankly I think they have been working on this, but the process is too slow. They have live criminals to catch.

Not sure how to go about this because I am unable to interact on the verbal course - ALL of you are aware that I do NOT think on my feet. It is difficult enough with the written word. Jerry's attacks on me are over the top.
All of you know he coerced me and ordered me and told me what to say - I did not know the names of the places. I took his word on these things.

Then in 2001 I got to go to WA. and see these places myself. They took me where Jerry told them to take me - and it was NOT what I had described to Jerry.

Himmelsbach was with us part of this, but the crew spent 2 days driving me to these places - I kept telling them NO and trying to describe what my memory held. Since NO one in that car knew the area - the "guide" was a student who had only been in WA about 2 yrs....he had NO idea what I was talking about.

This is when the ANGEL UDELL came to be - the last day I was there and after the crew had left.
Only by the GRACE of GOD did I find 2 of those places. I was satisfied. I contacted Jerry and told him what I thought of him.

I also sent a tongue in cheek letter to him and I used what-ever names that happened to be in the news or on TV at that moment. By the way I did NOT even know who Brad Pitt was during that time - it was a name on the newspaper in front of me.

JT was a joke and I made a Joke out of what he had done to me. I will never know how or why Himmelsbach thought this man could be of any help. Perhaps JT was supposed to provide entertainment to keep me out of the FBI's hair. Since JT claims
to have such an intimate contact with the FBI even as we speak, perhaps JT was part of a cover-up? You Think!

Does anyone believe this man is intelligent enough to participate in a cover-up? I don't and if the FBI is really listening to this man they are more inept than I thought.

As for me getting Carr fired or demoted. Well, an agent who was careless enough to make the DAN COOPER COMICS part of the FBI site and to make other statements he did publically - he got himself demoted. Frankly I have been told he was given a promotion if he was sent to D.C.

Carr actually took credit for what the DZ did. He also promoted MYTHs in the thread by stating opinions the media and the posters took as fact. Carr is responsible for his own actions and if he was demoted this was his own doing and not mine. Do any of you seriously believe the FBI would demote an agent because of a complaint - unless they validated such a complaint?

Perhaps his demotion was caused by the Citizen Sleuths when he gave them access to the actual FBI files? Perhaps he violated protocol. You Think! Use you imagination!
Maybe he misrepresented some of their qualifications and maybe his actions contaminated some of the evidence.

I may have stated sarcastically that I got Carr fired. The written word does not inflect emotions.
It is an " YEA, SURE " remark and most individual have used such a sarcastic retaliation to accusations. Just easier to agree than to disagree...as it would appear on the surface without the visual inflection.

I have already spoke to someone about my decision to move forward. We know my energy level is very low and I can not travel. If it backfires it backfires - at least I will have the truth documented.

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