DB Cooper

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Hi. Florida is realy a changed place the economy has realy taken its toll on this sand bar state so many buisnesses has folded.The same can be said for Georgia. Especially the Atlanta area.I guess it is the same all over the US. Picked up the pony it is a prety car Shelly will love it the new plates for it will read Spoiled.I wanted her to get plates that said cost to much. Still its been a fun trip. Haven't read much of the forum Georger will contact you soon. Jerry

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Jo Perhaps you realy need to stop your BS about Duane and your made up stories. Lets meet at a local TV station . Jerry

[johnnyringo 0]

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I wish I could do it myself, but I have no rig. I'm not scared to do it though. Been through worse. Yes, I would take a chance.

Don't let the lack of a rig hold you back Robert. I have a stock NB8 bailout rig ready to go with a never jumped C9 canopy.

No reserve, but you want the Cooper reenactment jump to be authentic, right?

It's easy, just jump out of the plane and pull the ripcord. After that there are a few challenges that may arise... but I am sure you will figure them out.

I'll be waiting below with your cold beer.

377

i will jump that NB8 into that site. I will not even think twice about it. i will do it on blevis behalf .

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Jo Perhaps you realy need to stop your BS about Duane and your made up stories. Lets meet at a local TV station . Jerry

Give it up JT, it makes you look pathetic.

[johnnyringo 0]

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377: Ever considered the idea of dropping into Ariel...LITERALLY? You know...like from the air under a canopy? You would be the hit of the day for sure. Extra points if you put on a pair of sunglasses after you land and are dressed like Cooper. Except for the shoes, of course. No one in their right mind would try to dupe his jump exactly.

Nahhh. As I age I've become a more cautious jumper. I've made a few "wilderness" jumps from aircraft such as a balloon and an ancient wooden sailplane, but these days I prefer a nice clear familiar DZ where no hard to see power lines or other hazards lay in wait to turn my kids into heirs.

I once landed in a K Mart parking lot in Illinois and no Airtwardo, it wasn't a demo jump. It's a long story. I got tagged "Blue Light Special" by the locals.

I'll volunteer Snowmann or Amazon. They'd go. I'd watch.
Or... the Ariel Tavern could pony up and hire Airtwardo. He'd do it for sure. It's amazing what some USPA Pro rated demo jumpers will do for a few hundred bucks.

377

Forget the money. On the 40th anniversary in Ariel it's about WHO DOES IT FIRST. I'm willing to bet some skydivers are already thinking about it.

Consider this: The Elliots believe maybe a thousand people, maybe more, and properly drunk of course, might show this time. And whomever decides to do it, and dressed like Cooper is going to be the hit of the party...guaranteed.

He won't be paying for any of the beer he drinks afterward. If he needs a room later, no problem.

Am I to believe that NO ONE in Seattle wants to do this? National coverage is almost guaranteed for the tough guy who does the jump. I understand several media venues might show up for this one. If they thought someone would do it, they will show up for sure. Do we not have ONE BRAVE GUY who will pull it off? I will send out the press release for you.

Wake up! (Puget Sound jumpers) Be there or be square. Be first, be Cooper.

ok 377 get me the NB8 i will let my own rigger pack it and i will jump it when and where you, green, farflung, georger wish. time of day too. don't care if it is at night. i will get my own ride to altitude. who is in? put up or shut up. i will even wear the stupid shoes provided by all of you experts.

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I'm in. Who is your rigger? I can send the NB 8 to him or her. Its stock military: no deployment sleeve, no D rings for a reserve. You'd better arrange to have an emergency right over Ariel. I don't think a sport jump with only one canopy is legal. If you get a typical jumpship it's always an emergency so no worries.

I think a sunset jump would be best. You need to see and be seen. A night jump would be more authentic but let's give you a reasonable chance of having a beer with the gang rather than a date with an orthopedic surgeon or a coroner.

When you land and are mobbed by reporters your name is Robert Blevins.

Can someone get a Google Earth shot of the area around the Ariel Tavern and post a link?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 244]

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I'm in. Who is your rigger? I can send the NB 8 to him or her. Its stock military: no deployment sleeve, no D rings for a reserve. You'd better arrange to have an emergency right over Ariel. I don't think a sport jump with only one canopy is legal. If you get a typical jumpship it's always an emergency so no worries.

I think a sunset jump would be best. You need to see and be seen. A night jump would be more authentic but let's give you a reasonable chance of having a beer with the gang rather than a date with an orthopedic surgeon or a coroner.

When you land and are mobbed by reporters your name is Robert Blevins.

Can someone get a Google Earth shot of the area around the Ariel Tavern and post a link?

377

Im all for this! I have another proposal - jail time
assured. When you're done with this jump come to
my area and jump to our tailgate outside of Kinnick
Stadium. It hasnt ben done since 1962 when
a photo journalism prof named Wooley did the
same jump and made headlines. The attitude has
totally changed since those days - I am sure we
would all go to the clinker for a day and God only
knows what the fines would be but . . . this place
is in need of some creativity. This might just 'hit
the spot'. Forty guys at our tailgate would turn
purple! It would make headlines - Cooper
lands at Kinnick!

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I'm in. Who is your rigger? I can send the NB 8 to him or her. Its stock military: no deployment sleeve, no D rings for a reserve. You'd better arrange to have an emergency right over Ariel. I don't think a sport jump with only one canopy is legal. If you get a typical jumpship it's always an emergency so no worries.

I think a sunset jump would be best. You need to see and be seen. A night jump would be more authentic but let's give you a reasonable chance of having a beer with the gang rather than a date with an orthopedic surgeon or a coroner.

When you land and are mobbed by reporters your name is Robert Blevins.

Can someone get a Google Earth shot of the area around the Ariel Tavern and post a link?

377

Im all for this! I have another proposal - jail time
assured. When you're done with this jump come to
my area and jump to our tailgate outside of Kinnick
Stadium. It hasnt ben done since 1962 when
a photo journalism prof named Wooley did the
same jump and made headlines. The attitude has
totally changed since those days - I am sure we
would all go to the clinker for a day and God only
knows what the fines would be but . . . this place
is in need of some creativity. This might just 'hit
the spot'. Forty guys at our tailgate would turn
purple! It would make headlines - Cooper
lands at Kinnick!

i will leave my rigger out of this. i will message you privately. the fines are minimal and they will keep the NB8. never see it again. on another note, if you obtain the property owners permission the jump is legal.
if not the law will just talk to you all night asking for another cool story, so what

[skyjack71 0]

For Johnny Ringo:
I don't think anyone needs to be foolish this 40th Anniversary. It could be a cold rainy night this November and no need anyone getting hurt to make a point.

For JT:
In just a few weeks someone will be talking to the FBI - agent of record, regarding my trip to WA in 2001. The truth and only the truth will win you anything in this race JT. You have called me a liar one time too many.

For All:
I just deleted 2 paragraphs that said way too much - but it is time for all good things to come to an end. I do NOT know JT's reasons for his actions, but I am NOT the first person who has come foreward with information that he has harassed.

JT - life is taught by example and perhaps you have set a bad example for your own family per my experience and what I have read about you and your family. You may be why they have so many problems. You may very well have impeded the investigatation (only repeating what you have accused me of doing right here in this thread).
It is time the FBI heard my story from others and not just from me.

You have contacted ONE to Many individuals regarding Jo's Story or as you call them "Lies". These individuals feel it is time to STOP you in your tracks. You have alienated everyone you have contacted and made them fearful for their lives and their famiies. These individual have been contacted on my behalf and want "your" lies stopped.

Geoffrey's book was an eyeopener to them about you - it was in writing. Your actions and threats to me, but to others for the past 10 yrs and a few before as others had subjects other than Weber. I was NOT the first person. Anyone who got close to finding the truth or had a subject ran into JT along the way. WHY?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[johnnyringo 0]

i know the right guy to get my own round from with a chest pack. i am sure he will be more than happy to jump in also. i actually know a lot of guys that would buy a ticket and line up for it. he may have a sleeve for an NB 8. or he can make one

[johnnyringo 0]

if my father was still alive he would laugh at all of us and ask what the big deal is

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i think everyone but you are looking at this as something really cool to be involved in. maybe you should not take this personal and maybe stop and smell a bunch of roses. chill the f76k out . jesus christ you make me nervous. i wish you well and everyone else but please for the love of god let go. at least loosen up a bit. nothing but my wife is that important. ask her and she will tell you.

thank you for the concern about my well being. lost my mother 46 years ago. don't need another

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if my father was still alive he would laugh at all of us and ask what the big deal is

Probably true. Back in your Dad's day I bet a DC 3 would have dropped 25 DB Coopers into the Ariel Tavern. Any excuse for a demo.

When I started jumping in the late 60s low pull contests really took place. Guys routinely jumped after having a few beers at lunch. AADs were for students and sissies. A whorehouse in NV sponsored a drop in boogie with unique prizes for accuracy. The Paracommander ruled the skies and many thought canopy design had finally peaked.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[johnnyringo 0]

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if my father was still alive he would laugh at all of us and ask what the big deal is

Probably true. Back in your Dad's day I bet a DC 3 would have dropped 25 DB Coopers into the Ariel Tavern. Any excuse for a demo.

When I started jumping in the late 60s low pull contests really took place. Guys routinely jumped after having a few beers at lunch. AADs were for students and sissies. A whorehouse in NV sponsored a drop in boogie with unique prizes for accuracy. The Paracommander ruled the skies and many thought canopy design had finally peaked.

377

i remember my father telling me about free falling through 500 ft. looking up and shaking the lines. his name was chuck hornsby. he was a knight with my uncle joe saunders in the 60's. he jumped at z hills sometimes. he was actually in the marines when he was testing the piggy back with that french dude or where ever he was from.lol. yall old school guys were fucking nuts. he told me about trying mr bill jumps terminal with rounds. "can not do it", he confirmed. also roping each other together together to make a round is not a good idea either,lol.

[johnnyringo 0]

i am sure my father was there. he held many many world records in accuracy. it was his thing

[georger 244]

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I'm in. Who is your rigger? I can send the NB 8 to him or her. Its stock military: no deployment sleeve, no D rings for a reserve. You'd better arrange to have an emergency right over Ariel. I don't think a sport jump with only one canopy is legal. If you get a typical jumpship it's always an emergency so no worries.

I think a sunset jump would be best. You need to see and be seen. A night jump would be more authentic but let's give you a reasonable chance of having a beer with the gang rather than a date with an orthopedic surgeon or a coroner.

When you land and are mobbed by reporters your name is Robert Blevins.

Can someone get a Google Earth shot of the area around the Ariel Tavern and post a link?

377

Im all for this! I have another proposal - jail time
assured. When you're done with this jump come to
my area and jump to our tailgate outside of Kinnick
Stadium. It hasnt ben done since 1962 when
a photo journalism prof named Wooley did the
same jump and made headlines. The attitude has
totally changed since those days - I am sure we
would all go to the clinker for a day and God only
knows what the fines would be but . . . this place
is in need of some creativity. This might just 'hit
the spot'. Forty guys at our tailgate would turn
purple! It would make headlines - Cooper
lands at Kinnick!

i will leave my rigger out of this. i will message you privately. the fines are minimal and they will keep the NB8. never see it again. on another note, if you obtain the property owners permission the jump is legal.
if not the law will just talk to you all night asking for another cool story, so what

The property owner is the State of Iowa. They would
never agree to this. Wooley got fired over his jump
so to wrap things up with a bow he made a second
jump into the UI Library parking lot, with finals tests
in hand! Made State news. He moved on to have a
fine career and we havent seen the likes of that fine
gentleman since - I really miss him! I was one of his
students!

Let me make some inquiries. I mean if we're going
to get into trouble lets do this right. I need to talk to
some gentlemen who uhh ... know all the right
politicians.

I will get back on this -

[georger 244]

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i know the right guy to get my own round from with a chest pack. i am sure he will be more than happy to jump in also. i actually know a lot of guys that would buy a ticket and line up for it. he may have a sleeve for an NB 8. or he can make one

I must say little now - will definately get back on this.



Now Im wondering! How about five Coopers bailing
simultaneously? Got any friends?

[Farflung 0]

I generously made a screen shot of the Ariel Tavern(288 Merwin Village Rd, Ariel, WA 98603 - for Google map types) and the environs for what should now be called ‘Mission In Hospital’ for purposes of security, secrecy and because chicks dig code names.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k55NuWQCh78

Notice (0:51), I did? Enough of this getting all sidetracked stuff because this has to do with Cooper for once.

377 offered a rig at the right price and several volunteers want to jump at sunset so this is great. The law is not a consideration so another major impediment is avoided. There may be more than glory to consider after making a successful landing at the tavern. News people will pack the roads with thousands and thousands of people (read - screaming bikini clad beauties) churning in the streets so there will be ample police presence which will trigger the next part of the plan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbsuAbTTsV8

It’s obvious that the jumper will make good an escape on a Triumph thumper which was secreted in an innocuous looking Airstream trailer just down the road. Fueled and ready to go the new Cooper can ride like a bandit into the night and bask in all the associated glory, real and imagined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83bmsluWHZc&feature=related

He will have to make it to the bridge on the River Lewis (aka - I-5) or for him; the jump is over.

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I don't think a sport jump with only one canopy is legal.

Oddly enough, the FAA unintentionally made it legal in 2001.

Before 2001, FAR 105.43 required intentional jumps to be made with a single-harness, dual-parachute system. That section was rewritten to accommodate tandem jumps using dual-harness, dual parachute systems. Tandem jumps were previously made under an exemption to 105.43.

The person who did the rewrite assumed the only alternative to a single-harness, dual-parachute system was a tandem system. The writer ignored the possibility of jumps made with single-harness, single-parachute systems (either pilot rigs or base rigs), or dual-harness, dual-parachute systems for an individual jumper (each canopy on a separate harness), or other possible configurations.

Read 105.43 now. It says that IF a person uses a single-harness, dual-parachute system it must have such-and-such configuration. But it does not prohibit other configurations.

Mark

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Wow Mark, that's an eye opener.

Still, after two cutaways in my past you won't find me ever sport jumping a single canopy. I like to have a plan B.

I wonder if the FAA is aware of this loophole? I won't tell them. I wonder if it could be used to beat a violation for jumping with an out of date reserve? If it isn't required to have a reserve could they tag you for one that was out of date?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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91.307 says that a parachute available for emergency use (including a sport reserve) must be in date. You'd have to argue that your rig wasn't available for emergencies.

Also, if you're wearing a sport rig, then you're subject to all the rules that apply to single-harness, dual-parachute packs, including repack dates.

Mark

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I never said I wanted to make an Ariel jump.

It would be quite some feet if you could.

Mark

[georger 244]

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I never said I wanted to make an Ariel jump. Even Cooper obviously had some chute experience, and I have exactly zero. As far as clues to that Cooper had experience, I give you the obvious:

He didn't bother with the instructions. He told Mucklow the chutes would not be too heavy for her to carry on board the plane. She said he put the NB6 on like he knew what he was doing.

Got stormed out on the last night on the camping trip. Firerce rains and winds that hit after midnight. Everything completely flattened. So I slept in the Subaru. But before the weather went bad I made a forty five minute video. Not planning to show it to anyone. It's just a record of how everything came about wiith me concerning a certain suspect, etc. I just wanted a record 'in case'. You know, like if on one of my crazy trips I never come back or something.

I see the trip didnt dampen your enthusiasm for
making up facts, omitting facts, generalising and
sterotyping and inventing.

DZ member writes, quote:

"BTW, sport parachutists DID jump into Ariel during
the past DB Cooper Days event. The last time was
during the 25th anniversary in 1996. Several chutists
landed right in the parking lot of the famous
tavern. This is nothing new. The Owner, Donna,
showed me exactly where they landed...........
so there goes Blevins again ignorant of the facts
and shooting his mouth off ............. "

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Geof Gray was just on NPR's Weekend Edition (All
Things Considered) talking about DB Cooper and his
book, and informed the world that V23 is fifteen
(15) miles wide .... in addition to other new facts.

Whats next? Cooper was blond, had tatoos, and
wore a leg brace?

This is beginning to sound like the guy who posted
on forums not so long ago saying 'There were life
rafts in the chutes Cooper took. He paddled his way
out. Thought you guys knew that! The FBI does."

[georger 244]

[Cooper obviously had some chute experience.
As far as clues to that Cooper had experience, I
give you the obvious:

1. He didn't bother with the instructions.
2. He told Mucklow the chutes would not be too
heavy for her to carry on board the plane.
3. She said he put the NB6 on like he knew what he
was doing.