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EVickiW 0
Quoteask them about the Sky Chef matches.
Sky Chef(s)
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
smokin99 0
Quote....Like it wouldn't do any good to try and view Kennedy's assassination if you're hovering over some dive in Newark, N.J. So you'd have to know their general location at the time in order to spy on em or risk getting lost?? I'd hate to think you'd be stuck over Newark for the rest of your days......
Ok...... so this is freaky.... I picked Newark, NJ in my post above because I looked up the stinkiest cities in the US. and it popped up.
What comes in the mail today? A legal notice from Newark, NJ telling me about a toll violation. (Accidentally went through the wrong lane and they don't give you a second chance to get it right)
Within 15 days of 9/29/11, they want 2.30 for the toll (which I will pay) and 25.00 for administrative costs (code for fine), (which, of course, I will dispute - since NJ does a crappy job of directing Georgia drivers (who don't do tolls as a general rule) to the correct lane)).
Maybe my mojo quotient is increasing??
So far I'm not impressed. 
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
QuoteClass Clown: It is confirmed you have posted on this forum recently under a different name, Although I could be wrong. Are you sure your favorite collor is not green. Jerry
First time poster Jerry. My favorite color?......................Orange
smokin99 0
QuoteQuoteask them about the Sky Chef matches.
Sky Chef(s)
lol...not again....
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
Smokin 99: What part of Geogia are you from. If I'd known you lived there, I could have stoped by and visited. Id even have let you drive the red pony. Blevins the matches realy has no value as a clue unless they had DNA or finger prints. I flew a lot back in that time frame I even flew on the Portland Seattle flight in 71 Smoking material was always available.Jerry
Blevins: Shelton Wa. is a small town I went to High School there. I even used to run the camera's at the sky line drive in, when I was 16. Im pretty sure that any damage Bruce has done to the Dormuth,s can be repaired. They just realy don't want to talk about this case.Bruce's tactic's are different and sometimes he steps on a few toes. One thing for sure! I don't think he will be getting much info from key personell in this case any longer. Jerry
Blevins : Next time im in Shelton I'll pay Jane a visit and smooth things over. Still. Tina may not wish to give out any Info. Everyone has there guard up now. No one realy wants any more trouble due to the harrassment one person has put fourth the past few years.Jerry
pek771 0
Did the 727 have an internal ladder to service the tail? I tried looking over all of the (minimal) images and literature I have, but can't seem to find anything. I don't see a hatch on top of the tail.
Hominid 0
QuoteHave you ever been on HWY 101 near the town of Forks . or just off I 84 near Baker City Oregon. ....So if you get a chance and your up this way please stop by. Jerry
Thanks, Jerry. I'll try to do so. I never got to Forks or Baker City. Went up the coast only I think to Coos Bay or so. Probably on my way to Eugene. My sweetie has a nephew and his family that live near Othello. When you're headin to or from, most of the time someone wants to hurry. You know. The destination was the whole thing. I've long wanted to get over near Baker City because I've had a strong interest in the Nez Perce. I'm hopin I can get my butt in gear and move up to central Oregon. The problem I have is that I have this stubborn thing about wanting to fix the place myself to sell it. I was makin progress until I got interested in D.B. Sick, huh?
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QuoteDid the 727 have an internal ladder to service the tail? I tried looking over all of the (minimal) images and literature I have, but can't seem to find anything. I don't see a hatch on top of the tail.
I dont see one in a fast look through my 727 manuals. At airshows I've seen USAF C 5 crewmen pop out of a hatch at the top of the vertical stabilizer to get a good view of the airshow above. I don't thing the 727 vert stab is thick enough to accomodate a similar travel access.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
smokin99 0
QuoteI had the Dormuths this close (*holds finger and thumb together*) to the idea of accepting copies of pictures and documents that they would (at some future date that THEY would decide) show Tina Mucklow. After Bruce got through with them, they suddenly said no to this idea. They DID accept a copy of the book and a letter I wrote for them, but did not respond to it.
And THAT is why I am not happy with Bruce Smith. It's like his policy with witnesses goes like this:
***"Well, if I can't get anything out of them, then I'll make damn sure no one else can, either..."
Dealing with reluctant witnesses in a sensitive case is a lot like that scene from The Wizard of Oz where the Wicked Witch of the West says:
Quote'These things must be done delicately...'
First, I'm not taking sides on this issue - Got my own thoughts on the whole Tina/role/privacy issue and they're conflicted.
I'm just confused....
In the past, I thought you said you sent them a letter and copy of the book and they never responded -- period. Did you have further contact than that?
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
Hominid: seriously what is more fun Learning about the Cooper caper, working on your home or playing Cafe world on face book. Now remember the question was what is more fun not the most important.I'm sure once you get out of California you'll realy enjoy Oregon. When you make the move let me know, I'll take you up to washougal then over to meet Ralph so you can get a little history on the case from one of those that actually worked this case. Jerry
Hominid 0
QuoteDid the 727 have an internal ladder to service the tail? I tried looking over all of the (minimal) images and literature I have, but can't seem to find anything. I don't see a hatch on top of the tail.
I don't think it could unless access at the lower end was outside and above the center engine and its intake duct. The duct opening looks to be as wide as the stabilizer. Pics showing that duct coming through over the stairs seem to practically fill the horizontal space available inside.
pek771 0
Thanks, 377!
I once watched the T-Birds do an airshow fron the tail of a C-5. They have two service ladders, and one does indeed come out at a hatch. You are 66 feet above the concrete at that hatch.
I once watched the T-Birds do an airshow fron the tail of a C-5. They have two service ladders, and one does indeed come out at a hatch. You are 66 feet above the concrete at that hatch.
Hominid 0
QuoteHominid: seriously what is more fun Learning about the Cooper caper, working on your home or playing Cafe world on face book. Now remember the question was what is more fun not the most important.I'm sure once you get out of California you'll realy enjoy Oregon. When you make the move let me know, I'll take you up to washougal then over to meet Ralph so you can get a little history on the case from one of those that actually worked this case. Jerry
Jerry,
I can narrow it down just a little. Never got into anything Facebook. I have a page and I know I should take some pics and put them on there to share with the huge family I sprang from. Haven't gotten around to the pix though. Other than that sharing thing I just don't get facebook. I had to block some stuff from "friends" cause they wanted to poke every "Like This" they come across on the internet. It makes the in box like a dropzone cooper thread! I hope it all passes like CB radio;-)
Unfortunately, about those other two possibilities, I enjoy Cooper research about like I do maintenance work around the house. I don't really like it. It's interesting and I just can't help myself. I've gotten involved in other things the same way.
One thing I have enjoyed is studying primitive living, native plant uses, etc. I've done that as part of wandering in the wilderness and hunting with a bow. If you have any interest in that kind of stuff, how about dropping names of a few plants you figure are more common up there where there is actually rain. I can look 'em up and start getting prepared for NW wilderness stompin.
Hominid 0
QuoteHominid: My posting of 'the poll' was just humor.
Goes without saying. So was my little comment about it. I see it pretty well most of the time. You won't need to worry about me taking offence. But thanks for your concern.
Farflung 0
The Wright brothers once gazed up in the sky and observed gulls flying and said to themselves, why can’t I do that?
Another man’s desire to emulate behaviors of animals has not been quenched by the passage of time. No, in fact Hominid had the exact same experience with observing animals and pledging to himself that one day he would possess a similar ability.
He was a true pioneer and experienced a great deal of failure along the way. One design led to another and just when he thought there was a solution in sight, the acrid winds of war began to blow. Invasion forces now occupied places that were once free and Hominid volunteered his services.
Training was rough and he felt the envelope was being pushed too far when he was in a formation of ten. His legs quivered and his thighs flexed nervously with the knowledge that he was at the very limits of his abilities and endurance when he crashed. No blame was assigned but Hominid knew who was responsible. This career ending mishap returned Hominid to the streets of civil life where he continued to perfect his craft.
Never far from his seat, Hominid continued to imagine and create until the time was right to release all his knowledge on an unsuspecting group in a violent, abrasive and self important storm of data he could barely contain any longer.
Another man’s desire to emulate behaviors of animals has not been quenched by the passage of time. No, in fact Hominid had the exact same experience with observing animals and pledging to himself that one day he would possess a similar ability.
He was a true pioneer and experienced a great deal of failure along the way. One design led to another and just when he thought there was a solution in sight, the acrid winds of war began to blow. Invasion forces now occupied places that were once free and Hominid volunteered his services.
Training was rough and he felt the envelope was being pushed too far when he was in a formation of ten. His legs quivered and his thighs flexed nervously with the knowledge that he was at the very limits of his abilities and endurance when he crashed. No blame was assigned but Hominid knew who was responsible. This career ending mishap returned Hominid to the streets of civil life where he continued to perfect his craft.
Never far from his seat, Hominid continued to imagine and create until the time was right to release all his knowledge on an unsuspecting group in a violent, abrasive and self important storm of data he could barely contain any longer.
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One thing I have enjoyed is studying primitive living, native plant uses, etc. I've done that as part of wandering in the wilderness and hunting with a bow. If you have any interest in that kind of stuff, how about dropping names of a few plants you figure are more common up there where there is actually rain. I can look 'em up and start getting prepared for NW wilderness stompin.
You might like Colin Turnbull's books: his books
on the pygmi hunting culture, his book about an
Amazon tribe 'The Tribe that Hides from Man' ...
he always lived with the cultures he studied and
wrote about to get a firsthand view.
Farflung 0
Probably the most ‘primitive form’ of living is associated with those who are devoid of anything resembling a moral compass to guide them through life.
It’s amazing how people can be deep into a sixth decade of life and have absolutely no appreciation for sincerity, honesty or humanity. These are the type who fabricate from whole cloth their realities and then attempt to propagate these false idols upon others under the guise of being ‘folksy’. Kinda surprising that you aren’t aware of this already.
Oh well, you know how they say the best way to cure cancer is through early detection? I have no idea why I asked that question.
Well looks like it’s about time for ‘ol Farfy to scare up some vittles cause I’s gots a powerful hunger. Kinda primitive of me, isn’t it?
It’s amazing how people can be deep into a sixth decade of life and have absolutely no appreciation for sincerity, honesty or humanity. These are the type who fabricate from whole cloth their realities and then attempt to propagate these false idols upon others under the guise of being ‘folksy’. Kinda surprising that you aren’t aware of this already.
Oh well, you know how they say the best way to cure cancer is through early detection? I have no idea why I asked that question.
Well looks like it’s about time for ‘ol Farfy to scare up some vittles cause I’s gots a powerful hunger. Kinda primitive of me, isn’t it?
On the Sky Chef matter. Sky Chef prepared inflight meals. In the 1960s and early 1970s, a small package of four cigarettes was routinely included with dinner service. The cigarettes were packaged by their manufacturer. However, I don't remember ever seeing matches prepared by a cigarette company.
So it would be natural for Sky Chef to also provide matches just as it was natural for Sky Chef to provide napkins with their meals. It would also be natural for Sky Chef to provide matches for people who had their own cigarettes and just needed a light. It is very likely that Sky Chef included extra matches which were given to the FAs for just such people.
Maybe Cooper had flown within the previous day, had a meal onboard, and saved the matches and cigarettes. Or maybe a non-smoking passenger had given him theirs and he also saved them. Didn't he smoke exactly eight cigarettes?
Flight 305 probably had a meal served somewhere between Minneapolis and Portland. So maybe the matches and cigarettes were already onboard at Portland.
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