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Here’s a little search tip arfuller:

Look for an unusual word in an article like ‘Wilhelm’ in that latest find regarding flares.

Next enter that semi-strange or unique word in the SEARCH box in the upper right of this page.

Review results in the ‘Skydiving History & Trivia’ section for duplication.

I doubt there is anyone who forgot the Janet fable but if it supports something you already want to believe then by all means use it.

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Here’s a little search tip arfuller:

Look for an unusual word in an article like ‘Wilhelm’ in that latest find regarding flares.

Next enter that semi-strange or unique word in the SEARCH box in the upper right of this page.

Review results in the ‘Skydiving History & Trivia’ section for duplication.

I doubt there is anyone who forgot the Janet fable but if it supports something you already want to believe then by all means use it.



Thanks for the help.
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Man I'm smart. My idea was that the hijacked flight was easily identified from the ground by an accomplice. Cooper was located by the use of flares below the cloud bank, and then walkie talkies. Of course the use of walkie talkies has already been widely discussed by you people. The flares were the supposed dynamite sticks in the briefcase.

Guess what! I found an eye wittness.

>>Janet recalled that late in the afternoon on Nov. 24, 1971 she had just gotten off work from her job as a billing clerk at Wilhelm Trucking Co. in northwest Portland and was heading to a beauty shop appointment.
Suddenly a news bulletin came on her car radio regarding the Cooper hijacking.
Janet had her hair done at the salon and didn't give much thought to the news as she drove to her home in nearby Vancouver, Wash.
After reaching the house, she and her husband loaded their two children into the family's Datsun to take them to a babysitter so they could go to dinner at the nearby upscale Key Hotel.
Janet, who was in the passenger seat, looked up just as the car was backing out of the driveway and saw a light pass overhead. A platform or ladder below a plane caught her eye.
"What I saw was flames and thought I saw something on the platform which could have been a person," Janet said.
Immediately, the fireball arched away from the platform, split into two and then disappeared in the direction of the Columbia River.
Cook believes the fireball Janet saw was Gossett tossing some road flares made to look like a dynamite bomb to judge wind direction to safely guide him to the ground.
Cook said his research has shown winds were blowing from the southeast at more than 60 knots in the Portland area around the time of the hijacking. "This kind of wind speed would likely cause a falling flarepack to appear fiery, as reported by Janet," he said.
Janet's sighting of the fireball fits with William Gossett's penchant for road flares, said his son, Gregg Gossett.
"My father had an obsession with road flares," he said. "He used to light them off for me when I was a kid. There were tons of them around our house growing up."<<

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2519317/posts



Arfuller, The Janet story is bullshit!

The airliner was at 10,000 feet when it passed through the Portland/Vancouver area. There was an overcast at 5000 feet and a broken cloud layer at 3500 feet plus other scattered clouds below that. There is no way that Janet could have seen the hijacked airliner much less someone standing on a "ladder" beneath the airliner.

The surface winds at Portland were about 10 MPH from the south-southwest and the winds aloft up to 10,000 feet did not exceed about 30 MPH also from the southwest. You can check the weatherunderground.com web site for additional information on the Portland weather.

Even if Janet "didn't have a reason to lie", did she have a reason to tell the truth?

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Robert99: Okay, but I liked the flare part.



Actually, the flare part is nonsense also. The way Janet and Galen explain it would not result in any useful information to Cooper about the wind speed or direction. None of the people mentioned in the Janet article seem to have the slightest idea how "spotting" is done. And with a round canopy, it wouldn't make much difference to Cooper anyway since he is going to come down wherever he comes down.

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Wasn't Janet supposed to show up at the symposium? Did anybody connect with her?

The FBI MIBS must have prevented her from attending. They can be pretty nasty at times. ;)

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Robert99: Okay, but I liked the flare part.



Actually, the flare part is nonsense also. The way Janet and Galen explain it would not result in any useful information to Cooper about the wind speed or direction. None of the people mentioned in the Janet article seem to have the slightest idea how "spotting" is done. And with a round canopy, it wouldn't make much difference to Cooper anyway since he is going to come down wherever he comes down.



What do you think about the idea that a flare could help someone on the ground spot the hijacker after he's through the clouds? Do you feel the "dynamite" might well have been road flares?
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Robert99: Okay, but I liked the flare part.



Actually, the flare part is nonsense also. The way Janet and Galen explain it would not result in any useful information to Cooper about the wind speed or direction. None of the people mentioned in the Janet article seem to have the slightest idea how "spotting" is done. And with a round canopy, it wouldn't make much difference to Cooper anyway since he is going to come down wherever he comes down.



What do you think about the idea that a flare could help someone on the ground spot the hijacker after he's through the clouds? Do you feel the "dynamite" might well have been road flares?



I think it was Ralph H. who suggested the bomb was road flares based on the color of the wrappers around the sticks. Also, I think someone has posted on this thread about dynamite that had the same color as the presumed road flares. So I think road flares or dynamite is still an open question. But the flight crew and NWA could not take any chances and had to assume it was dynamite.

It is unlikely that Cooper could have known his geographical position at the time of the jump to within a 20 mile radius at best. And I doubt that a road flare, even only a mile away, is going to help much in two people joining up in that area and those weather conditions.

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Robert99: Okay, but I liked the flare part.



Actually, the flare part is nonsense also. The way Janet and Galen explain it would not result in any useful information to Cooper about the wind speed or direction. None of the people mentioned in the Janet article seem to have the slightest idea how "spotting" is done. And with a round canopy, it wouldn't make much difference to Cooper anyway since he is going to come down wherever he comes down.



What do you think about the idea that a flare could help someone on the ground spot the hijacker after he's through the clouds? Do you feel the "dynamite" might well have been road flares?



I think it was Ralph H. who suggested the bomb was road flares based on the color of the wrappers around the sticks. Also, I think someone has posted on this thread about dynamite that had the same color as the presumed road flares. So I think road flares or dynamite is still an open question. But the flight crew and NWA could not take any chances and had to assume it was dynamite.

It is unlikely that Cooper could have known his geographical position at the time of the jump to within a 20 mile radius at best. And I doubt that a road flare, even only a mile away, is going to help much in two people joining up in that area and those weather conditions.



I'm not familiar with all the types of road flares, but it seems like fireworks can be seen over a big distance if they're high enough. A good set of binoculars directed toward the sound of an airplane could pick it up I would think. Maybe not, but it seems if a hijacker had flares he might use them for something other than just to fake a bomb.

When I'm in an airplane I can see street lights over a pretty good distance with the naked eye. I can see airplane lights over 40 miles away. Where I live there's a story about a civil war campfire spotted by binoculars from a hill many miles away. It led to a massacre and the naming of a creek with a politically incorrect name.
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I guess a heavy rainstorm wouldn't have helped, if that's when he jumped. If that's the case and he didn't survive the jump, then I think somebody needs to come up with a plausible explanation why there was never any parachute, body or briefcase found if he didn't survive, but the sign was found where it was and the money showed up where it did. The idea of a boat dragging some of the money and it showing up neatly buried doesn't make sense to me. If he jumped later, then maybe there wasn't a rainstorm over the area.
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Where was the physical evidence found?

The emergency stairs deployment placard was found somewhere around Toutle (pronounced: Where the phuq is that?), Washington by a litter controlling hunter. That dainty, frail little piece of plastic managed to flutter through that beastly storm and land within close (5 miles-ish) proximity to V-23.

Did Cooper plant this item also? Sure would be easy to tear it off the insulation and put in his pocket for later nefarious use. Strange how little this is suggested or known.

Then there is the money which was ‘buried’ even though young Brian did no digging. Oh well, what’s wrong with a little verb misuse? If there was a nine year old shoe or briefcase some miles up or down stream how many people would go out of their way to store those things in their kitchen overnight, then call the police? I’m guessing none but am ready to hear to the contrary. The money has that one distinct advantage over all the other evidence.

Hey I just found a bunch of rotting, putrid, bacteria laced money on the beach, next to a seagull carcass. Let’s go home and spread it all across the kitchen table where we eat every day. This is acceptable behavior.

Hey Honey, I just found an old business shoe in the woods, under DB Cooper’s flight path and put it on the couch, next to your Burberry purse. The next phone call would be to a divorce lawyer.

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Farflung : perfect response. I have a serius question. If I had lost a five dollar bill I would and have spent countless hours looking for it. If I lost 200,000 dollars I would not leave the area or move to another location untill I could find. at least part of it. But Im not a crook. Is there a difference between a person that looses money than one that lost money they felt they so desperately needed to risk there life for. I don't think so. Still there is one question, I would ask the hijacker, This question is the one that would Identify the real culprit.I have mine, what would be your's or the rest of the people on this thread. Jerry



My question to DBC: "What is your name?"
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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377 or Jerry: I'm not a skydiver nor will I ever be. Haven't got the balls and don't care to admit it. So, I'm asking this just out of curiosity, but what if he has the bag tied to his waist and looses it immediately after jumping. Does that change anything about the odds of survival? If so, that could explain someone surviving but not having the money. Not that I believe that. I am very intrigued by this case, but at present time I don't favor any suspects over any other, although I find a few of them to be more interesting than others. Nor do I insist that Cooper survived. I simply don't know.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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Do you feel the "dynamite" might well have been road flares?



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What do you think about the idea that a flare could help someone on the ground spot the hijacker after he's through the clouds? Do you feel the "dynamite" might well have been road flares?





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:(WHEW! YOU sound like a high school kid writing his first thesis -- read and research the crime. If you are trying to write a book or a thesis - please read the thread in its entirety ALL of that has been discussed. Get with the program and do your home work.

[:/]:| Now I will ask you a question HOW OLD are YOU? What is your interest in this case?
You come into a research forum with questions and subjects already discussed over and over.
Why haven't you read the thread?
Have you read all the Cooper Books?
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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I cannot imagine a polygraph lasting 5 1/2 hours.

Tina never described Cooper's hair as greasy - only that it appeared to have been dyed.

Celebrating New Yrs in New York..the same time frame Max Gunther received his contacts.

I depended on the FBI to actually investigate Weber that was a mistake.

Naughty Naughty Santa - What an inspiration for the new generation!

Damien sends his regards Santa. His mom is at peace, but you will never be....your example sets the Standard for Santa's pretty low.
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Himmelsbach has said that he's seen dynamite many times in his career. He says that *usually* it's more the color of a manila envelope.

I think Marla's story will go nowhere without some support from the Seattle/Portland FBI offices. You can only get so far with 'because I say so, and that's what happened.'

My question to Marla would be this: If it was Thanksgiving and the post-hijacking incident was witnessed by so many people in her family...to a point where even an eight-year-old knows the truth...then where are all the OTHER family members stepping up to the plate and saying the same thing? The Statute of Limitations for anyone except the hijacker himself expired on November 24, 1976.

Come on, it's time for a visit to the Reality Hotel. Had this happened within your family at Thanksgiving, it would be a Famous Thanksgiving Family Thing, and impossible to keep secret. Ever try to keep a secret when so many people in your family know the secret? Pretty tough. Some will tell friends, others their children later, whatever. Everyone in the family will know, sooner or later.

So where ARE these people?

Where are the OTHER witnesses? Or supporting evidence? Medical records for a hospital visit the day after Thanksgiving, for one thing. Or just one piece of circumstantial evidence beyond, "cause I say so."

Where is the evidence beyond the word of one woman?

Trust me, this isn't enough to build a case on. She needs more, or it's just an empty glass with a cute rose inside...



Maybe DECODED should have taken this on, instead
of your 2000lb frog story?

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I like a woman with a lot of "affect," G.

You prove my point. Thanks for more pin-up material.

On a related topic. What do you think is going through the mind of Curtis Eng's boss these days....



Keep in mind Marla could be telling the truth and
nothing but the truth, so help her Oklahoma, which
is a very fine State I might add.

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I like a woman with a lot of "affect," G.

You prove my point. Thanks for more pin-up material.

On a related topic. What do you think is going through the mind of Curtis Eng's boss these days....



Ha ha. See the Marla Toons posted previously. One covers just that thing. (*insert evil laugh here*)

Bruce: I thought your last article was okay. Not that you would take my word for it, but I thought it was more professional this time. You didn't make unsupported claims and made sure you said on other claims that they were alleged-only, if they were. This stuff sells better, or as Jack Webb used to say:

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"Just the facts, ma'am..."



Georger: Sure...maybe Decoded should have done the show on Marla. She could stand in front of the camera for an hour telling everyone how old Uncle LD was the hijacker, without offering one bit of evidence besides 'cause I say so'.
Ratings: ZERO.



Im glad you're taking it well ... keep up the good
works.

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Say what you will about Marla but I think she has quite a bit of experience with aft stares.



You are a genius. One of your very best ever.

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