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It is highly probable that the jump was at the bump.

However, it would be possible for a hijacker to make the bump occur before or after the jump. This would involve jamming the stairs down probably by jamming something between the struts and walls.



How possible is it that it happened as Bobby Dayton said, and that he jumped from the top of the stairs and that the bump was from when he came back up the stairs after being at the bottom looking for landmarks?

Forgive me if I have this wrong, but isn't that the way Dayton said he did it. (Not pointing to Dayton as DBC here)
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How possible is it that it happened as Bobby Dayton said, and that he jumped from the top of the stairs and that the bump was from when he came back up the stairs after being at the bottom looking for landmarks?

Forgive me if I have this wrong, but isn't that the way Dayton said he did it. (Not pointing to Dayton as DBC here)



Not familiar with that story. But, neither is possible.

Coming back up the stairs lets the stairs come back up slowly. The stairs have to be very rapidly set free to rebound up quickly enough to cause a pressure pulse.

When a person is not out at the end of the stairs the hole through which someone would have to jump from the top of even the moving part of the stairs is small and out quite a ways in front of the person. It would have to be an acrobatic dive.

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How surprising that the pressure bump is being speculated upon for the jillionth time. Why try something new or different? Only been 40 years of fruitless searching the same area.

How did the crew know McNally jumped? Pressure bump? How severe was that one? Lemme guess, no one has a freakin idea and never has. Gee, must be much easier to bloviate about something unknown than compare and contrast one with a known outcome.

Did LaPoint’s jump have a similar bump? When was that one? How many whatever units? Just make something up no one will know the difference or care. It was umm…. 8675309 Jennys of pressure bump. That’s using the ‘Marla Scale’ obviously. There I said it, now it’s true.

Heady surly caused a pressure bump since he fired a pistol into the aircraft, did a few pirouettes and whatnot before executing a half gainer off the stairs. How intense was that one and how is this measured? The continued silence will be deafening.

Hmmm….. Hey let’s not forget McCoy since he had to depressurize the plane then jump out, that must be an animal with many characteristics. How was the depressurization initiated? How long till he jumped afterwards? Was there a pressure bump from this sky cowboy where he rode the money bag out of the aft stairs freefalling to Utah screaming yeeeeeee….. hawwwwww…… yeowwwwww?

So many similar if not identical crimes to do comparative analysis yet no one ever bites at the chance to validate their dazzling theory against some real world information. Weird.

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How possible is it that it happened as Bobby Dayton said, and that he jumped from the top of the stairs and that the bump was from when he came back up the stairs after being at the bottom looking for landmarks?

Forgive me if I have this wrong, but isn't that the way Dayton said he did it. (Not pointing to Dayton as DBC here)



Not familiar with that story. But, neither is possible.

Coming back up the stairs lets the stairs come back up slowly. The stairs have to be very rapidly set free to rebound up quickly enough to cause a pressure pulse.

When a person is not out at the end of the stairs the hole through which someone would have to jump from the top of even the moving part of the stairs is small and out quite a ways in front of the person. It would have to be an acrobatic dive.



I have known this since 1978 when Duane screamed out in his night mare - of course I had NO idea what the dream was about until 1996 (1yr and 2months after he died) The night I found out who Dan Cooper was.

Because of his reaching out and up in his dream - I have always felt he got to the end of the stairway and held on facing the front of the plane and let go when he decided it was time. I don't know if he timed it or was just looking for light below the clouds or if there was some kind of signal.

Homid answer this - Duane had this back brace he never wore - the kind with pull strings and metal staves...He refused to let me throw it away - even though I am sure he could NOT get it around him during those last 3 yrs.

Somewhere along the line - perhaps in this thread, but something makes me think I heard this before. 377 didn't think it was possible. What I am trying to ask in my simple simon way - is:

Is there some kind transitor or signal which could be attach the staves that would let the person wearing it feel a signal coming from a tower or Vor -like a vibration?

The other question - would a gyromatic watch Girard Perregaux make any particular or unusual movements when approaching a VOR or some other kind of signal?

Sorry, Stupid dumb OLD Woman questions I have asked before, but I wanted to know what you had to say.
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Is there some kind transitor or signal which could be attach the staves that would let the person wearing it feel a signal coming from a tower or Vor -like a vibration?

The other question - would a gyromatic watch Girard Perregaux make any particular or unusual movements when approaching a VOR or some other kind of signal?



No to both Jo. Really and truly no way.

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Blevins: There is still more room on the Forum for more people to start pushing a book I have recently heard from four more like you.So I wonder who is going to win the Cooper Book Off. Jerry



..............huh JT, what 4 people are you talking about concerning this Cooper Book Off?...................

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There's one guy in Atlanta , Galen Cook Marla Cooper, Bruce Smith. Then There's Possibly the Formans. and 3 other's that have ask me not to mention there names. But i can tell you this one is from Seattle , One from Las Vegas Nev and one from Oklahoma. Jerry



Do you mean seven more? Cooper books are multiplying faster than rabbits!

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Blevins: Forman is not pushing his book on dropzone yet .The oklahoma guy is not Marla.Yet he is Known . Jerry



Well, there are only two types of Cooper books, basically. Those that generally cover the case, and those that have a specific suspect. Geoff Gray's was the only one that was a little different. He covers the case, but also makes a personal journey out of it.



what personal journey?

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“Is there anyone on this thread who would buy a used car from Marla or Blevins?”

She runs a wholesale coffee distribution company.

"Honey, I can explain everything. The price was really good and we'll go through 2000 lbs of Arabica beans in no time.";)

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I just had my best DZ laugh of the day. Thanks Three-Seven-Seven. It reminds of the time I...oh, never mind, it's off topic....
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Whether I am right or wrong about Christiansen is definitely open to debate. My honesty is not. If you bought a used car from me, when you drove it away you'd know everything about that car that I know.



Of course, that's exactly the same type of thing a psychopathic liar of a used car salesman would say as well. ;)
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Blevins: Just viewed the Marla Cooper story on MSNBC. Yep its all about her writing a book . The FBI still says that there not ready to close the case. Geofrey Gray handled it great. I also seen the results of a poll taken. The largest percentage of the media say the FBI will deny Marla her claim. Jerry Ps Hi Quade

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I want to know what HOMID has to say about those 2 things - and I know that you and others have said NO WAY. But, I wanted Homid to say it if there is NO WAY.



Jo,

You are opinion shopping. If you ask enough people you'll find someone who will tell you what you want to hear which is:

Duane could have attached some kind of "transistor" to the "staves"
(pack stiffening bands? or back brace?) that would vibrate them when in the vicinity of a radio signal (e.g. VOR).

Duane's "gyro" wrist watch could have indicated proximity to a VOR.

Hominid won't be the one, but sooner or later you'll find someone.

Before you trouble everyone with Duane hypotheticals, please put him in a parachute.

377
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During and Immediately after touch-down it seems.

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0101 the tower had talked them throught his touchdown, subsequent taxing. (editing some of it out to get to my point).

0116 Tower reported crew had exited airplane: with FBI at this time

Unknow is the title to the next item:

After parking, crew advised on SFO/ARINC that one of the them had gone back in cabin and found no sign of HJ. They had apparently last tried to contact via interphone/PA at about 0046CST with no response. At that time they were going to advise him that the air-stair would have to be retracted before landing or that damage during landing roll-out would probably prevent subsequent take-off.

Two "little" chutes gone, one "big' one cut up, apparently to tie the money with shroud lines to HJ. One "big" chute apparently still on the airplane.

Guard requested around airplane, FBI apparently searching airplane.




What interest me is the two "little" chutes gone one "big" one cut up, apparently to tie the money with shroud lines.

Note how it soundS. ONE BIG ONE CUT UP. ONE BIG CHUTE APPARENTLY STILL ON PLANE.

This is a none pilot or jumper talking so it must be one of the stewardess....supposedly Tina,

Recently someone replied they measured the cords cut from the chute and it was just enough to wrap the bundle. I think you guys are forgetting you do NOT know what was in that dummy. Probably canvas and more old cords - perfect for wrapping a nice package.

In another story I heard one of the stewardesses claimed to have seen what appeared to be a gold bag on top of the brief case. The first time I ever heard of this. Another time it was said that Tina reported what seemed to be a green corner of what might have been a plastic bag (I assume the upper part of the top) the upper flap of the briefcase.

It was Greys witness who mentions the gold bag.

It was Tina to Tosaw who mentions the green corner.

I am doing the bag things from memory do do NOT think I am quoting anyone...so please excuse if I have errors.

WHY is this bag thing bugging me?. It has for a long long time, but - I let it go for more important things. Don't know why I can't get this bag thing out of my head. Also we never knew what he had in that paper bag (maybe PayDays). They were considered in those day to be an excellent source of energy.

NO one ever checked with the shoe shine man ( he has long been forgotten) - did Cooper buy a pack of the ankle cover ups. This is a rubber slip-over very common in 1971 that went over the shoes and snaped at the ankle.

I have mentioned the ankle rubbers (since Duane always had a pair in the car) before but have always been ignored...seriously doubt anyone was looking at his shoes AFTER he went to the bathroom.

They would have fit into a sandwich bag perfectly...the very size the shoe-shine man used for all of his small items sold at his station. Did this shoeshine man go to N.Orleans when he left WA? The shoeshine man is never mentioned - why? There was one in the PDX at that time.

It sure would have helped had the interviewer had requested Tina be more specific on HOW the money bag was attached and if he put the money into another container. I frankly believe another container was provided by the crew - they did NOT want Cooper agitated because he did NOT get his backpack and they made do with what was in the plane (or the man who delivered the bag to the airport place it in a more suitable container).

The co-pilot claimed what came on that plane was NOT a white bag. He was peeking thru the door. This was from a personal conversation I had with him a few yrs ago...I do NOT know what he has told others....but, he finished my description for me by providing the color which always eluded me of a bag I disposed of after Duane died. I just didn't have a name for the color. White, beige, brown, tan, olive green, gold beige, wheat ???? I will leave it to your imagination because we both described something and it was NOT a white canvas bag...we finished each others description.
Staps or no strap, brown or whatever color, handle or no handle, loops or no loops, strap or no strap. We were both wrapped up in this bag - and very vividly - our conversation was resonating the others. Just one more time when I had NO doubt Duane was Cooper.

Strange as it sounds - I described this bag to Mr. H. during the first few time I spoke with him and he told me it was of no importance. Perhaps he did NOT know the money had been put in another container before being taken on the plane.

I do this with multiple choices because there are too many poachers lofting here to writer their stories.

Tina never described the bag Cooper was attaching. NOT at all and in none of the interview I ever read. The FBI provided the description. ODD - right!

Now this will confuse the wannabe a whole bunch or at least make someone think!
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Jo,

You are opinion shopping. If you ask enough people you'll find someone who will tell you what you want to hear which is:

Hominid won't be the one, but sooner or later you'll find someone.

Before you trouble everyone with Duane hypotheticals, please put him in a parachute.

377



Homid Agreed with you. I wanted his opinion because he has anwered lots of question in a manner making the mechanics of the skyjacking much easier to understand...and for a layman to grasp.

Try ID/OR Not in a chute, but next best thing perhaps..picking apples and building things or maybe playing with fire. It has been narrowed down and there is someone "jumping" on it. If an old smokejumper called and told the FBI he knew who Cooper was - the FBI is NOT listening. The things that get called in on Cooper are not usually responded to and most are not taken seriously. There are filters who decide what the agent of record hears or sees - and if it is Weber related they ignore it.

More than one person has connected Weber (Dusty) to Cooper - but the FBI never contacted them. They have to find me or wait for me to find them.

Now am I playing MARLA's Game?
Should I continue to play her game with the public and do I run to the media with trivia? Will there be enough to get the attention of the FBI?

Only thing holding us on information recently brought to our attention is illness on the part of a prime person we need to speak with. The problem about getting information verified regarding Cooper is they are usually dieing or they are dead.

At least I am not out here running around with deliberate out and out lies. Pehaps I should have done the "Marla Thing" 15 yrs ago. I chose to have more information and I am not motivated by a movie or book or money...nor fame. I think most of you know that all I want is the truth. Nothing more.

Catch a Con and you win the game.
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I think most of you know that all I want is the truth. Nothing more.



I wish that were true, but it's not. All you want is proof that Duane was Cooper. You will never accept anything else as being "the truth".
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