DB Cooper

[377 22]

Bob Knoss,

If you know where the parachute is buried why don't you retrieve it?

Talk is cheap. Show us one piece of physical evidence to back up your story.

The chute location is a great test of your credibility. Do you fear the outcome?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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It does. I was there. I, and several others, did not imagine things. Moreover, we've got Mr. Himmelsbach, on page 41 of NORJAK, confirming what we already know about the absolutely rotten weather that night. I am not willing to call the one man who has probably investigated the DBC case more than anyone else a liar. I respect him too much.

No one is calling Ralph H. a liar. But you are claiming that his version of the weather takes precedence over all other weather reports.

You may call the weather that evening "rotten" but would you also answer the following questions:

1. What are your qualifications for making "authorative" statements about the weather conditions?

2. Do you know what barometric pressure is and how it is determined and adjusted to report it?

3. Do you know how visibility is determined and reported?

4. Do you know how cloud heights are determined and reported?

5. Do you know how cloud layers are defined?

6. Do you know how ground wind speed is measured and reported?

7. Do you know how ground wind direction is determined and reported?

8. Do you know how rainfall is measured and reported?

9. Do you know how humidity is measured and reported?

10. Do you know how winds aloft are determined and reported?

11. Do you know the differences in the way meteorological data is reported to the general public and to aviators?

12. Is there anything else in your background that makes you feel more qualified to make weather observations and reports than the National Weather Service personnel, FAA weather trained personnel, and other trained personnel?

13. Is a general statement in Ralph H.'s book about the weather more accurate than actual weather reports and observations released by the FBI in Seattle?

14. Anything else you would care to add or comment on?

[mrshutter45 21]

I have been reading alot from this woman and I don't believe her! lets look at her own words on a story board! LD jumped from the plane and lost the money on the way down (no loose bills found) he came crashing down critically injured in a spot right where her other Uncle was waiting for him to come down, then they drive some 200 miles to arrive early in the morning in Sisters Oregon critically injured and drunk yet she is jumping up and down saying we are rich? then she says she was crying from seeing her Uncle hurt and over hears them saying there money problems are over, we High Jacked a plane? all of this from age 8 and yet nobody else saw this critically injured man on Thanksgiving? and there is more, she also remembers he had a Dan Cooper comic on his wall? if she was to have this much knowledge of the High Jacking at age 8, she should dam well know the location of the jump and where the parachute and briefcase went? or are these lost memories that have yet to come back? it all seems to me that she has flooded the media with undocumented evidence training your thoughts to follow hers? she also said she felt compelled to come forward because a crime was committed, well then she should have no problem giving $200,000 of the book money to Northwest Airlines! after all she is trying to do the right thing? right???

the problem I always see with these people that come forward is the fact that they never give key evidence to prove there story because they don't know it! when Marla shows evidence of the parachute and briefcase or the clothes he was wearing will be the day we can say the case is closed! I'm sure we will never see any of this evidence from her other than another story of how it was destroyed so they would not be caught!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 247]

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It does. I was there. I, and several others, did not imagine things. Moreover, we've got Mr. Himmelsbach, on page 41 of NORJAK, confirming what we already know about the absolutely rotten weather that night. I am not willing to call the one man who has probably investigated the DBC case more than anyone else a liar. I respect him too much.

No one is calling Ralph H. a liar. But you are claiming that his version of the weather takes precedence over all other weather reports.

You may call the weather that evening "rotten" but would you also answer the following questions:

1. What are your qualifications for making "authorative" statements about the weather conditions?

2. Do you know what barometric pressure is and how it is determined and adjusted to report it?

3. Do you know how visibility is determined and reported?

4. Do you know how cloud heights are determined and reported?

5. Do you know how cloud layers are defined?

6. Do you know how ground wind speed is measured and reported?

7. Do you know how ground wind direction is determined and reported?

8. Do you know how rainfall is measured and reported?

9. Do you know how humidity is measured and reported?

10. Do you know how winds aloft are determined and reported?

11. Do you know the differences in the way meteorological data is reported to the general public and to aviators?

12. Is there anything else in your background that makes you feel more qualified to make weather observations and reports than the National Weather Service personnel, FAA weather trained personnel, and other trained personnel?

13. Is a general statement in Ralph H.'s book about the weather more accurate than actual weather reports and observations released by the FBI in Seattle?

14. Anything else you would care to add or comment on?

I exist, therefore I am.

[georger 247]

the problem I always see with these people that come forward is the fact that they never give key evidence to prove there story because they don't know it! !

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It does. I was there. I, and several others, did not imagine things. Moreover, we've got Mr. Himmelsbach, on page 41 of NORJAK, confirming what we already know about the absolutely rotten weather that night. I am not willing to call the one man who has probably investigated the DBC case more than anyone else a liar. I respect him too much.

No one is calling Ralph H. a liar. But you are claiming that his version of the weather takes precedence over all other weather reports.

You may call the weather that evening "rotten" but would you also answer the following questions:

1. What are your qualifications for making "authorative" statements about the weather conditions?

2. Do you know what barometric pressure is and how it is determined and adjusted to report it?

3. Do you know how visibility is determined and reported?

4. Do you know how cloud heights are determined and reported?

5. Do you know how cloud layers are defined?

6. Do you know how ground wind speed is measured and reported?

7. Do you know how ground wind direction is determined and reported?

8. Do you know how rainfall is measured and reported?

9. Do you know how humidity is measured and reported?

10. Do you know how winds aloft are determined and reported?

11. Do you know the differences in the way meteorological data is reported to the general public and to aviators?

12. Is there anything else in your background that makes you feel more qualified to make weather observations and reports than the National Weather Service personnel, FAA weather trained personnel, and other trained personnel?

13. Is a general statement in Ralph H.'s book about the weather more accurate than actual weather reports and observations released by the FBI in Seattle?

14. Anything else you would care to add or comment on?

I exist, therefore I am.

Georger, I am certain you are on the right track. Indeed, I am!

[georger 247]

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It does. I was there. I, and several others, did not imagine things. Moreover, we've got Mr. Himmelsbach, on page 41 of NORJAK, confirming what we already know about the absolutely rotten weather that night. I am not willing to call the one man who has probably investigated the DBC case more than anyone else a liar. I respect him too much.

No one is calling Ralph H. a liar. But you are claiming that his version of the weather takes precedence over all other weather reports.

You may call the weather that evening "rotten" but would you also answer the following questions:

1. What are your qualifications for making "authorative" statements about the weather conditions?

2. Do you know what barometric pressure is and how it is determined and adjusted to report it?

3. Do you know how visibility is determined and reported?

4. Do you know how cloud heights are determined and reported?

5. Do you know how cloud layers are defined?

6. Do you know how ground wind speed is measured and reported?

7. Do you know how ground wind direction is determined and reported?

8. Do you know how rainfall is measured and reported?

9. Do you know how humidity is measured and reported?

10. Do you know how winds aloft are determined and reported?

11. Do you know the differences in the way meteorological data is reported to the general public and to aviators?

12. Is there anything else in your background that makes you feel more qualified to make weather observations and reports than the National Weather Service personnel, FAA weather trained personnel, and other trained personnel?

13. Is a general statement in Ralph H.'s book about the weather more accurate than actual weather reports and observations released by the FBI in Seattle?

14. Anything else you would care to add or comment on?

I exist, therefore I am.

Georger, I am certain you are on the right track.

Damned tootin - headed for Grandma's house!

[mrshutter45 21]

actually it is Mr Shutter, I have been in the Hurricane Shutter business for years and this was used at work on my emails and it stuck,

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[JerryThomas 0]

Robert99. Im sure 40 yrs ago you were in charge of posting the weather record's that you stand behind and that you would bet your life on the fact that your the only one that is right. If not go back 40yrs and watch the Portland news broadcast on Chanell 2,6,8, or 12 for that day then make a few phone calls and talk to some of these people if you can. Once you finish that then make your coments. Jerry

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Bob Knoss,
If you know where the parachute is buried why don't you retrieve it?
Talk is cheap. Show us one piece of physical evidence to back up your story. The chute location is a great test of your credibility. Do you fear the outcome?
377

I was trying to help ol' Jer find his Holy Grail. Duane Weber's chute.
I did not help Duane bury it. I am simply telling you that two people gave me the same information, one was Jo Weber. It is not MY claim. I ain't walking 100 feet on Jo's say, that it was buried under a tower that ain't there no more. But, since Terry Thomas was lookin' for this golden parachute, I thought I'd give him a helping hand and tell him where Jo says it was buried. Sleuth that he is, he could probably figure out the coordinates for that old tower on some old forestry map and go dig it up. But since he doesn't waste his time on rich gold mines, why should he spend time on a collectible old Weber parachute? Finding the parachute doesn't show me a thing I don't already know. There is nothing that I do not know that I care to know about this case. I am only interested in exposing what really happened without anybody getting punished for doing what was an approved civil service project. I deserve no credit, I did nothing. The ones who deserve the credit are on my list of other people who know what happened, plus a few that have since passed away. Sorry, 377, not lookin' for your respect, just trying to activate your street smarts. You struck me once as having some. You're a hard nut to crack.

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Robert99. Im sure 40 yrs ago you were in charge of posting the weather record's that you stand behind and that you would bet your life on the fact that your the only one that is right. If not go back 40yrs and watch the Portland news broadcast on Chanell 2,6,8, or 12 for that day then make a few phone calls and talk to some of these people if you can. Once you finish that then make your coments. Jerry

Jerry, I have viewed the weather information available in the historical records, the FBI weather information presented on this thread by Larry Carr, and the actual FAA weather information that was recorded and distributed just minutes after the airliner passed through the Portland/Vancouver area. All of this information is consistent.

I have already made my comments and I stand by them!

[JerryThomas 0]

Robert99: What puzzles me is what is it that these people experienced on that day that makes there story differ from the records. Jerry

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BobKnoss: Nothing involving the Hijacking was burried under any Tower. Further more your claim that Duane Weber had anything to do with this Hijacking is BS. As for you I still don't understand what story book you have read that has placed some of these thoughts or memories in your mind that you have posted. Jerry

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Robert99: What puzzles me is what is it that these people experienced on that day that makes there story differ from the records. Jerry

Jerry, Maybe the answer to that is in the missing portions of the Seattle ATC radio transcripts.

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Robert99: I wonder if the NG would have any of this data on record. The helicopters they used were from the NG base in Clackamas Oregon. I'll contact Frank Hail and see what he can dig up. Jerry

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Robert99: I wonder if the NG would have any of this data on record. The helicopters they used were from the NG base in Clackamas Oregon. I'll contact Frank Hail and see what he can dig up. Jerry

Jerry, Keeping in mind that you and I have some big differences about the flight path of the airliner, could you ask the NG which way they headed after taking off as they attempted to intercept the airliner? There are some comments in Ralph H.'s book that seems to indicate they headed to the southwest.

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Robert99: I wonder if the NG would have any of this data on record. The helicopters they used were from the NG base in Clackamas Oregon. I'll contact Frank Hail and see what he can dig up. Jerry

Tell them about waiting for McCoy to get there, Terry. The plane was held for Mac!! He was on one of those choppers. Check the FBI training film on chasing Cooper. They used another McCoy stand-in. A Canadian actor. Ha-ha-ha-ha. I have pictures posted here. Happy New Year!

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BobKnoss: Nothing involving the Hijacking was burried under any Tower. Further more your claim that Duane Weber had anything to do with this Hijacking is BS. As for you I still don't understand what story book you have read that has placed some of these thoughts or memories in your mind that you have posted. Jerry

You can not prove a negative, Jerry, but you keep trying. Can't fool me or discourage me. My dedication is only to the real facts, not the fabricated dribble by any professional dribblers. Don't forget, I was on your team back before there was a crew. I'm the bad A Team angel, "Al^."

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My dedication is only to the real facts, not the fabricated dribble by any professional dribblers

Mr. Knoss: I've been away for almost a week. I come back and I read that you are referring to Mr. Thomas as Terry in one post and Jerry in another.

If you really are not dribbling your wine onto your keyboard...as it seems that you are...could you enlighten me with some "real facts" [your term] and maybe some background, and some "real fact", about how you knew Mr. Thomas and what your story is actually all about.

I'm sure you realize that your comments make no rational sense when written in what is, essentially, a vacuum.

Put all of your stuff together into some context. Please.

Thanks!

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

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My dedication is only to the real facts, not the fabricated dribble by any professional dribblers

Mr. Knoss: I've been away for almost a week. I come back and I read that you are referring to Mr. Thomas as Terry in one post and Jerry in another.

If you really are not dribbling your wine onto your keyboard...as it seems that you are...could you enlighten me with some "real facts" [your term] and maybe some background, and some "real fact", about how you knew Mr. Thomas and what your story is actually all about. Thanks!

I think Jerry is funny. He is more like Terry Thomas than Jerry Thomas, hence the "Terry". Mr. Thomas was the person Bill Rataczak had me email my mutually confidential information to many years ago. I only released a couple thoughts, but was made aware of who he was. Bill did not use the computer and he did not want to talk Cooper details on the phone. Bill knows who I am and my involvement as McCoy's witness, but he is not happy, as he wishes to tell a different story. My story is from McCoy's perspective, "The other guy." I have not, nor will I write a book, movie, nothing. I detest the fabrications presented that attempt to cover up what really happened. The evidence is so destroyed that no arrests could ever be made without a full confession. It is just history now. It would be great if at least one historic incident could be recorded as it really happened. Way too much stuff has been buried. I am just interested in this little one, because I was part of it. Somebody else can fight the battle on the big ones. Those get damned dangerous. Leave them to Governor Ventura.

I have made several posts outlining the events of Project Norjak (Named so in 1968 as part of the President's Commission on Highjacking) detailing the course of events that led to the institution of baggage searches and passenger inspections in the airline industry. The details and minutia I find captivatingly compelling, but technically unimportant to the overall scope of the project. A well executed plan in backward details by dedicated, daring men I am honored to know.
They deserve praise rather than scorn, but that's the way the game is played.

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Robert99: I wonder if the NG would have any of this data on record. The helicopters they used were from the NG base in Clackamas Oregon. I'll contact Frank Hail and see what he can dig up. Jerry

Jerry, Keeping in mind that you and I have some big differences about the flight path of the airliner, could you ask the NG which way they headed after taking off as they attempted to intercept the airliner? There are some comments in Ralph H.'s book that seems to indicate they headed to the southwest.

One helo went almost straight north of Portland
clear up to the Ariel area ... after some back and
forth they turned their search light off so as not to
alert Cooper (one said). They were looking for any
sign of a fire ? Without any lights on it was nearly
pitch black (one said). With that fruitless endeavor
they came back south and . . .

(above from notes)

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Way too much stuff has been buried. I am just interested in this little one, because I was part of it.

OK! Thank you for a rational response.

But...you didn't convey much information. Could you do that? Start at the beginning, listing the characters and the plan overall.

I think you recognize that these little tidbits of information and obscure references without explanation smack of someone playing games.

Could you explain who, by name or agency, planned this operation? What was the purpose? What do you know about the outcome?

Was the money lost? You claim that Duane did the deed so we know that he lived.

Tell us about the money. What was the "explanation" he had for not having the money?

I'm going to bed. I hope you are on the left coast so I can read your explanation while I eat my breakfast.

Thanks!

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

[georger 247]

How about something a bit off-topic, instead. When the going gets tough, the tough view cartoons about Sarah Palin, scientology, and a few other weird topics...(*laughs*) This goes to show I just don't pick on Marla Cooper, although lately I've considered doing a parody series about B.K.

[JerryThomas 0]

Robert99: Sure Ill be glad to ask your questions. This is off the subject Military.Com just posted a video of Osama's sea burial Looks fake to me but it does make a good point. Jerry

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This goes to show I just don't pick on Marla Cooper, although lately I've considered doing a parody series about B.K.

Actually, I'm disappointed that Marla was scared away so quickly. She added a refreshing divergence from book promotions and such. Oh, wait ...

I was considering a parody of self-promoting authors but georger pretty much beat me to the punch. He's right on about your hypocrisy regarding thread stealing.

I was pleasantly surprised to not see a cartoon of your book cover in the off-topic material you provided.

Mr. Knoss, please read my recent comment and ignore the self-promotion from this guy.

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper