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[MarkBennett 5]

As far as taking any of them seriously, I've done what I can. The rest I have to leave to the FBI, although since the Marla Fable danced onto the scene, my confidence in them has eroded a bit.

Robert,
You spent lots of time, energy and money investigating Kenny Christianson. I read your book -- KC's story is plausible, but circumstantial.

I've read Marla's story. Also plausible, but also circumstantial.

You seem very critical of her story and it seems to me your statement above gets to why: Why does the FBI spend so much time on LD Cooper and not on Kenny Christianson, when both appear to be similar in likelihood. Could you be redirecting your displeasure against the FBI toward Marla?

I've edited this a couple of times -- I don't want it to sound snarky or negative. But, you skipped the symposium, at least partly, because Marla was there. I wish you'd come and asked her questions there.

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I agree with you to a certain extent, I think the FBI should put a gag order on claims such as these and not allow them to comment until the investigation has concluded with any validation and not giving them a head start by profiting from the claim because after all everyone is seeking the truth and by claiming this before hand only makes things harder for everyone.

In Roberts defense I see he is going through the samething speaking of KC and getting alot of negative feedback, the way I see this is you leave the door open for debate in cases such as this and tempers are going to flare when there is a difference in opinions.

I am here like many others seeking the truth and trying to find answers to this story, I personally don't believe Marla's story and feel it's my right to say that, I also see alot of holes in the KC story but would sure like to find out where he got all of that money, and speaking of money what happens if the story is true? is Marla now subject to take the earnings she has made and give it back towards the stolen $200,000?

these are only my thoughts on how I see all of this.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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and speaking of money what happens if the story is true? is Marla now subject to take the earnings she has made and give it back towards the stolen $200,000

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From Wikipedia: A Son of Sam Law is any American law designed to keep criminals from profiting from the publicity of their crimes, often by selling their stories to publishers. However, this is not in the same manner of asset forfeiture, which is intended to seize assets acquired directly as a result of criminal activity. Where asset forfeiture looks to remove the profitability of crimes by taking away money and assets gained from the crime, Son of Sam laws are designed so that criminals are unable to take advantage of the notoriety of their crimes. Such laws often authorize the state to seize money earned from deals such as book/movie biographies and paid interviews and use it to compensate the criminal's victims. The term "Son of Sam" refers to the nickname of serial killer David Berkowitz, the subject of a notorious murder case in 1978.

In certain cases a Son of Sam law can be extended beyond the criminals themselves to include friends, neighbors, and family members of the lawbreaker who seek to profit by telling publishers and filmmakers of their relation to the criminal. In other cases, a person may not financially benefit from the sale of a story or any other mementos pertaining to the crime—if the criminal was convicted after the date lawmakers passed the law in the states where the crime was committed.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[mrshutter45 21]

Understood and thanks for the reply,I guess I'm saying more to the effect of people should be with held from making any statements until the investigation is over much like the FBI does themselves.

just seems that it would be better on both sides if they wait until anything goes public before starting the "media circus"

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Farflung 0]

I came to this thread seeking falsehoods, deception and poorly veiled manipulation and now I find out there are people looking for the ‘truth’?

This has to be the most abused, hackneyed and worthless of platitudes thrown around this Petri dish of virtue.

Why do people have such a bizarre attraction to zero calorie statements? How many enter a store and announce they aren’t shoplifters? Or Hometown Buffets and announce they aren’t cheap asses looking to bankrupt the place while stuffing their dainty pie holes, for hours? I’m guessing….. umm…. zero. So what’s the point? Other than making the rarely used ‘self serving’ statement laced with passive aggressive content, as anyone with a superior intellect and large penis could instantly recognize.

I’m here looking for lies, treachery and sinister steering and am willing to bet anyone, I found the El Dorado of such quests and have been endlessly successful where those with other goals will continue to peer into an empty vessel. But what do I know?

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Re MarkBennet Mrshutterr45 RobertMBlevins and a short note to Jo. Someone said last week that a new look and opinion on this old case would be a good thing. I agree.
I think MarkBennet and Mrshutter45 and any other newbie can perhaps see something or give a different take on Cooper.
Jo responded to one of my posts saying that she didn’t have time to update newbies on this crime. If I go back and read everything that has been posted here then I will be able to recite everything that so far has not solved this case.
Like MarkBennet I’ve read some of the books written, I am mostly interested in what all agree happened before, during and after the flight. I understand how much some have invested in time and energy on their suspect of choice and are defensive. I am certain that the FBI has the ability to reject or confirm these suspects. I wish they would get on with it.
When I was still working, a detective who began work on a cold case, sometimes 10 years old, would go back to the original crime report and make a list of what needed to be done. Then read the case file to see if all had been done or if there were errors or omissions. The FBI did on Cooper what had worked before and after on hijackings, it just didn’t work this time. I know if the agent could go back and redo the initial investigation he would, and I think may have found Coop. But 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful ability.
So I’ll say it again, I respect all the knowledge on this site. I really appreciate the work done by Robert99 on the flight path. It opens a new possibility and maybe explains why Cooper avoided capture (if he survived the jump).
God I wish I could write like farflung. I would have many clever things to say. But what do I know?
rosebud

[mrshutter45 21]

well said rosebud, I am here to try and find some "truth" to this story rather than some other places that don't have the knowledge as seen on these threads.

I can get a better understanding of this by reading these threads than going onto sites that tell a completely different misguided version from even getting the plane wrong by saying it's a 747 and he was a 5' tall African American?? there is alot of knowledge on here and I have the up most respect for there work, so to me this would be a good place to find some "truth" in so many different versions of this story.

Dave Brown
Fort Lauderdale Fla.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Farflung 0]

Here’s a little assist rosebud,

I published (August of LAST year) what I observed as among the common responses to new people’s and old head’s questions on this thread. Clearly reading this whole thread with over 30,000 comments, which at 50 words per comment would amortize to 1.5 million words, would be folly, cruel and more reading than anyone here has ever done. I mean that’s like reading Tolstoy’s ‘War and Peace’ three times. Ever read it once? Know anyone who has? It was the best of times…… it was the worst of times….. it was Duane.

Anyway here’s some definitions about what many know but must never be whispered; the ‘Forbidden Text’.

“1. Read back in the thread.

This is a perennial favorite among those who take the time to contradict something yet manage to neglect the copy and paste function when looking at the source information.

2. It’s somewhere around here, I can’t find it now.

This is code for ‘I didn’t expect anyone to actually call me on this, please go away.’

3. This has already been talked about.

Yep, after 26,000 comments there are individuals who still find this to be a stunningly profound statement.

4. Trust me.

I can’t believe there are adults who even use this phrase and children are too intelligent to try.

5. What are your qualifications?

Among the most disingenuous queries as there is not interest in the qualifications or if you are qualified. This is a call to publish a resume which will ALWAYS exceed your previously stated experience. This is a Tar-baby which will devolve beyond name dropping and braggadocio to quantifications of discussions and meetings which produced nothing. This should be avoided at all costs but the desire to talk about one's penis is simply too great thus insuring continued practice.

6. I’ve been doing this for (??) number of years, that’s how I know.

Apparently they have not met their new masters in the form of the Google board of directors where several members actually entered their 30’s (age) this year. Longevity at failure is not a virtue.

7. They should know because they are local.

I don’t know where this beauty originated where a person living somewhere inherently knows more about technical or historical information on that city. I asked a guy from Detroit for a part number on a 1972 Caprice and all he did was stare just like that guy from Washington DC who didn’t know the ramifications of the Smoot-Hawley Act. Clearly both of them must have been imposters as all residents of those cities would have known those answers.

8. I’ll have to check with (person who is an utter unknown).

Another form of poorly played deflection where the information is held by one person who rarely is located to reinforce some statement that is in contradiction to traditional science or data.

9. I had it (the source) but agents from the government sabotaged my hard drive.

Yep, this one is still popular among the ‘I have AOL’ crowd that believes computers are magic. A dying breed that share a common DNA strand where any semi technical question is answered with ‘I have AOL’.

10. I don’t have time right now, do your own work.

They never do. Yet they ALWAYS have time to make a baseless response.”

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Here’s a little assist rosebud,

I published (August of LAST year) what I observed as among the common responses to new people’s and old head’s questions on this thread. Clearly reading this whole thread with over 30,000 comments, which at 50 words per comment would amortize to 1.5 million words, would be folly, cruel and more reading than anyone here has ever done. I mean that’s like reading Tolstoy’s ‘War and Peace’ three times. Ever read it once? Know anyone who has? It was the best of times…… it was the worst of times….. it was Duane.

Anyway here’s some definitions about what many know but must never be whispered; the ‘Forbidden Text’.

“1. Read back in the thread.

This is a perennial favorite among those who take the time to contradict something yet manage to neglect the copy and paste function when looking at the source information.

2. It’s somewhere around here, I can’t find it now.

This is code for ‘I didn’t expect anyone to actually call me on this, please go away.’

3. This has already been talked about.

Yep, after 26,000 comments there are individuals who still find this to be a stunningly profound statement.

4. Trust me.

I can’t believe there are adults who even use this phrase and children are too intelligent to try.

5. What are your qualifications?

Among the most disingenuous queries as there is not interest in the qualifications or if you are qualified. This is a call to publish a resume which will ALWAYS exceed your previously stated experience. This is a Tar-baby which will devolve beyond name dropping and braggadocio to quantifications of discussions and meetings which produced nothing. This should be avoided at all costs but the desire to talk about one's penis is simply too great thus insuring continued practice.

6. I’ve been doing this for (??) number of years, that’s how I know.

Apparently they have not met their new masters in the form of the Google board of directors where several members actually entered their 30’s (age) this year. Longevity at failure is not a virtue.

7. They should know because they are local.

I don’t know where this beauty originated where a person living somewhere inherently knows more about technical or historical information on that city. I asked a guy from Detroit for a part number on a 1972 Caprice and all he did was stare just like that guy from Washington DC who didn’t know the ramifications of the Smoot-Hawley Act. Clearly both of them must have been imposters as all residents of those cities would have known those answers.

8. I’ll have to check with (person who is an utter unknown).

Another form of poorly played deflection where the information is held by one person who rarely is located to reinforce some statement that is in contradiction to traditional science or data.

9. I had it (the source) but agents from the government sabotaged my hard drive.

Yep, this one is still popular among the ‘I have AOL’ crowd that believes computers are magic. A dying breed that share a common DNA strand where any semi technical question is answered with ‘I have AOL’.

10. I don’t have time right now, do your own work.

They never do. Yet they ALWAYS have time to make a baseless response.”

Once again, another winner! Well done!

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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and speaking of money what happens if the story is true? is Marla now subject to take the earnings she has made and give it back towards the stolen $200,000

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From Wikipedia: A Son of Sam Law is any American law designed to keep criminals from profiting from the publicity of their crimes, often by selling their stories to publishers. However, this is not in the same manner of asset forfeiture, which is intended to seize assets acquired directly as a result of criminal activity. Where asset forfeiture looks to remove the profitability of crimes by taking away money and assets gained from the crime, Son of Sam laws are designed so that criminals are unable to take advantage of the notoriety of their crimes. Such laws often authorize the state to seize money earned from deals such as book/movie biographies and paid interviews and use it to compensate the criminal's victims. The term "Son of Sam" refers to the nickname of serial killer David Berkowitz, the subject of a notorious murder case in 1978.

In certain cases a Son of Sam law can be extended beyond the criminals themselves to include friends, neighbors, and family members of the lawbreaker who seek to profit by telling publishers and filmmakers of their relation to the criminal. In other cases, a person may not financially benefit from the sale of a story or any other mementos pertaining to the crime—if the criminal was convicted after the date lawmakers passed the law in the states where the crime was committed.

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I followed this train of thought with substancial vigor in an extended 'conversation' with the local FBI, after validating my credentials. They finally said they simply have a different point of view on the Cooper case and to keep doing what I was doing. So, don't expect the Son of Sam law to be applied here anytime soon. I guess for some reason they want to fry bigger fish. They haven't stooped to Capone tactics yet. I suspect the deceivers will get addressed in due time.....

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Hi Farflung, I don't spend a lot of time talking about the size of someones penis, which you do. I do have a lot of experience which you can like or not, I really don't care. You are a clever writer but where is the substance??? Do you have any background in anything except writing scathing posts? If you have ever contributed anything to this other than your wit give me the post.Otherwise you are only intertaining to read.

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....... But 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful ability..............

rosebud

For some strange reason 20/20 vision labels you as a druggie, a subversive, insane, a twisted conspiracist, stupid, a liar, or otherwise out to lunch. Suggestions to anyone falling into a train of thought other than the addressee's pet beliefs is considered a frontal attack on their character and will be dispatched with all due haste, including red and blue capital letters on really valid occasions.

Now, let me tell you that you are looking mighty strange to me, Mr. Detective guy! Watch it!! (I like your preamble.)

In my HUMBLE opinion, this case is best understood by thinking backwards. If it seems logical, it is what they want you to think. Do not ignore the illogical, because that is what probably happened. Nothing was supposed to be as it seemed, and that is why it worked.
Everything was to throw you off, including the FBI statements. Examples would include the first sketch inaccuracies despite passenger complaints, the now non-existent BYU pin, failure to inspect cabin briefcases, loss and exchange of FBI evidence, alteration of bio information from the FBI to blatant misinformation, shutting up 'Janet' and on it goes.
Go figure. Hope you are really smart. You have to be, here.

[Farflung 0]

Hi rosebud, Nope I don’t have anything to contribute at all, just ‘scathing’ comments. Your many years of investigative experience is already paying dividends.

And here’s another…..

Scathing is defined as bitterly denunciatory and harshly critical. Oh, my!

I hope you would be so kind as to ‘copy and paste’ (ref item 1 above) the offending text which I have transmitted to the world, that would be great. Otherwise your comment is just a broad sweeping generalization and nothing more. Know whatta mean?

My qualifications or contributions??? Did you not read item 5 above?? Looks like scathing just became a little closer to home with a big ass scoop of irony.

I never said you enjoyed talking about OTHERS penises, the inference in item 5 was about those who talk endlessly about theirs (hope this cleared that up). Without any source attribution or documented examples, having a ‘claimed’ 352 thousand years as a whatever is just a bunch of talk. I believe that is something you have already lamented, yet have set an example by contributing more of the same. Great, you were giving some goof the third degree and were leaving him to sweat for a while…… got it…. Sam Spade stuff.

And if by exposing someone’s BS via allegory is what you view as scathing, then you must be no stranger to being the recipient many times in the past thus explaining your sensitivity to the subject. Keep up the good work there Sergeant Mitty, this thread needs more just like you. Please add some more multisyllabic, non-diction relevance checks to the mix. I like ‘em, because I have no qualifications and can’t speak with faux authority.

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You are a clever writer but where is the substance??? Do you have any background in anything except writing scathing posts? If you have ever contributed anything to this other than your wit give me the post.Otherwise you are only intertaining to read.

Actually, not to get in any one's business (I generally roll my eyes when guys start banging their beer on the bar to make a point and duck behind the bar when they start throwing the bottles..
Edited to say that some folks think this whole db thread is nothing but entertainment or a total waste of bandwidth ---- but they're wrong.....right?

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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....But what do I know?......
rosebud

Welcome to my World, Rosebud. You should probably change your screen name before they start explaining the meaning to that name. You think the penis talk is crude! There is no respect given here. Sorry, not MY friends.

[Farflung 0]

Easy smokin99, don’t anger ‘the rosebud’ by explaining the search function.

That’s like telling Renoir how to finger paint, Pavarotti how to hum or a Cooper thread commenter how to be weird.

Didn’t you read how he has hundreds of years with the police in an un-named town because he was also a detective in the same town and I think he said a spy too. I know that most cities don’t have spies but that’s just what made this such a brilliant operation.

Then, as if that wasn’t enough of doing the same freakin thing every day, after day, for 50 years which would make anyone do anything else unless they had no options….. he becomes a private dick. Yep, Mr ‘I can investigate anything and solve everything with a 100% conviction rate who leaves a four inch furrow between his footprints on the beach’ guy; surely knows how to use the search function and come to his own conclusions.

Let’s just hope he isn’t offended by the lack of obsequiousness.

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"you are truly a victim of the Cooper Curse..." I have heard the warnings and I am fearless.
Seriously though you guys know that the FBI does not like you and would not like you to get the credit for solving this!
Of course they monitor this site. Do you know which of the posters is the agent? Just curious.
good night
rosebud

The only agent that admitted to it was ckret, aka Larry Carr, but he's no longer here unless he's incognito or lurking. Plus he's no longer the agent of record having transferred to another area. Shame, really. I didn't always agree with his conclusions but he was a great point of reference, funny at times, and seemed to be a decent guy.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[MarkBennett 5]

Thanks, Robert. That was a very honest response. I appreciate it.

I will say I don't throw out Marla's claim because

1) She didn't come right out to the press. She went to law enforcement first and it was over a year before she went public. She didn't come out to the press until after the FBI spokesperson said they had a promising lead.

2) The FBI does consider her lead promising. And, they must have corroborated some parts of it to still be spending time on it.


Once again -- thanks for taking my question as it was intended and responding in kind.

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Thanks, Robert. That was a very honest response. I appreciate it.

I will say I don't throw out Marla's claim because

1) She didn't come right out to the press. She went to law enforcement first and it was over 1 year before she went public. She didn't come out to the press until after the FBI spokesperson said they had a promising lead.

2) The FBI does consider her lead promising. And, they must have corroborated some parts of it to still be spending time on it.


Once again -- thanks for taking my question as it was intended and responding in kind.

Mark: Jo Weber did NOT go to the press.

1.She contacted the FBI 1 yr and two months after her husband died. He died in March of 1995 and she which is me did NOT know who DAN COOOPER was. Then in May of 1996 I learned who DAN COOOOper was and called the FBI. I did NOT go public until 2000 and that was only because the FBI provided me with FALSE information that proved to me they had NOT investigated Duane L. Weber and John C. Collins.

2. The FBI definitely thought Duane was a viable suspect or they would not have come to my home. I didn't go to the FBI - they came to me. In 1998 they said there was no match in the prints - but as I tried to explain if the prints they used for Duane L. Weber where reliable - how and why did the have John C. Collins encarcerated in Jefferson MO and not know he was Duane L. Weber until after they released him. The chased him all the way to CO in 1968 and he fled to N.O., but the FEDS obviously had what they wanted - because Duane was NOT hiding - he was living and working as Duane L. Weber and as far as I know - the authorities were NOT interested in this man after that. Why?
Old Con getting Old as someone said in the thread - but, there is MORE to it than that.

3. I found lots of things that indicated the FBI just brushed over Duane - but, WHY? Why did the agent give me FALSE information when I called him in 2000?

4. I and a journalist did extensive research regarding Duane L. Weber and John C. Collins and we always hit WALLs we could NOT scale. WHY?

5. Because of my claim per the things Duane told me - it appeared Duane was some kind of ghost and the FBI was NOT going to go there. They wanted to bury him and have him forgotten, yet there WAS MORE pointing toward Weber being Cooper than the other subjects.

6. The FBI did interview a handful of people who knew Duane and who he worked with...but they did NOT interview the people that counted. Ray Griffin and Bill T and Tommy Gunn....WHY? Because these people knew Duane Weber as John C. Collins and as Duane Weber.

7. Duane actually confessed to being Cooper.

8. Duane knew the area and the FBI has never explained HOW or when. The FBI told me that Duane was NOT in McNeil and I was holding in MY HANDS the McNeil record!

This is why I tell individuals to read back about Weber in the thread - because I am a scatter brain and I never remember to tell the important things...and my story has never changed. It is just scrambled, because I am NOT a writer and I speak only from my memory - I am unable to put 17 yrs of marriage and 15 yrs of research into a few words and my ability to continue this will soon be gone.

I did NOT get on a plane and go to WA because I could not afford to do so in those early yrs and I had to work to make living and to keep my home. I was also in a major accident in 2000 - 2 wks after I went public.

I have not been out here writing a book and doing a bunch of interviews. I did finally get to WA in Oct of 2010 and stayed for 15 days and did NOT contact the FBI until the day I was leaving and that was the Portland Office because I was fed up with the Seattle Office. I feel the files on the Night Clerk might be traced in Portland - even if they packed up their files and sent them to Seattle as I was told. The Night Clerk was interviewed by Portland authorities.

Duane had KNOWN contacts with certain organizations. The insurance company someone question about the Air Traffic Controlers and government supplement insurance. THE FBI if they contacted the man who was still alive never told me anything. How could Duane have loaned the boss of that company 5K in 1972 or 1973. Why would Weber have Miami Contacts with Mafia there. Who was Ray G.

Who was Tommy Gunn who knew Duane as John Collins and who was Tony Wong - I know that one and Tony knew Duane as both identities. The background of Tony and Tommy would have answered ALL of the questions about John C. Collins aka Duane L. Weber 1962 to 1968.
Yet the FBI did NOT do this - WHY? Wong and Gunn are deceased. I do not know about the other 2.

I am fed up with the whole thing and if you don't like my Blue and Red remarks so be it. I am not heard and have NOT been heard by the FBI. They turn a deaf ear to me - but, if you read the things in this thread I have written you will know I found a lot of them and some of them with the help of others.

Duane knew Knew the men in this picture and he showed me a picture in a book with a slightly different position - but the same guys and the same truck, yet the FBI did NOT even look at this.

Duane's Ghost haunts the FBI and they do NOT want him to continue to be presented. This thread has BEEN the only way I could present what I and others have found. All I can do is hope that someone reads the posts and decides to look at this one more time. I have time lines a brilliant young man did - they are his work and I have not exposed them nor his identity.

He is trying to get enough together so the FBI will have to look at Weber one more time.
I asked the FBI to check about a safety deposit box Duane opened in 1980 right after the money was found - but Agent Carr would NOT do this and said it could not be done. Duane took me this area in 1980 and I sat in the car. In 1990 after he started diaylysis he went back, but he needed current ID for John Collins and he got that ID the day before the Hwy Patrol and other came in on Duane for trying to obtain a drivers license under another name in 1990. What they did not know and still do NOT know is he actually obtained that license in the next county the day before they came into the shop.

I have that license and the reciept and it is NOT a forgery. The FBI agent who came to my home that one time did NOT GET this because I did NOT get it. I only discovered this myself this last yr. I found the reciept of the license and this time I really looked at it. The FBI did not in 1997 in the things they viewed and took and made copies of.

How and Why did I discover this.
This brilliant young man asked me if I could get Duane's hospital records - all of the records had been destroyed, but the had his admission dates and there was what we had been looking for. The exact date of his admission to the Pavilion after they cops picked him up with a loaded 38 in the shop for trying to obtain a drivers license under another name. Because he had just started Dialysis - the Dr.s and I were able to explain his strange actions away as his being disoriented by the procedure and then they put him in the Pavillion for 72 hrs and a few wks later he makes a trip to the same location he took me to in 1980.

In 1990 Duane had opened a shop and I think this shop may have been a front to explain the additional monies he was able to contribute to the household for the next 5 yrs. He knew when he went on the machine - he only had 5 yrs. That last Christmas he bought expensive things for everyone....he died in 1995 - 5 yrs after starting the machine. He planned this down to the wire.

I know you guys do not understand what I am trying to tell you - no one does or they do NOT want to even consider it.
This is the only place I have to tell this and this is the only thing I know to do. I have to get someone to really LISTEN and to REALLY investigate. NO one wants to investigate a government GHOST...and that is what he was from 1962 to 1968.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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2. The FBI definitely thought Duane was a viable suspect or they would not have come to my home. I didn't go to the FBI - they came to me. In 1998 they said there was no match in the prints - but as I tried to explain if the prints they used for Duane L. Weber where reliable - how and why did the have John C. Collins encarcerated in Jefferson MO and not know he was Duane L. Weber until after they released him. The chased him all the way to CO in 1968 and he fled to N.O., but the FEDS obviously had what they wanted - because Duane was NOT hiding - he was living and working as Duane L. Weber and as far as I know - the authorities were NOT interested in this man after that. Why?

Jo, your information is confused. You have a lot of facts, but some of them are jumbled up. Duane was not in Jefferson under Collins according to McCoy. Mac found him there under his real name, Duane Weber. He looked all over for him as John Collins and could not find him. Not a big point, but an illustration of how your stubborn attitude rejects reasonable facts that differ from your understanding. He went from Jefferson to Bloomington, Minnesota, where he trained for the whole summer of 1968. His wife and two kids accompanied him. His parole officer visited him there. A really, really tall skinny guy with blond hair. He was assigned to Warrant Officer Sgt. Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr., Pentagon attache assigned to Special Services under Project Norjak, just like me.

From Minnesota he went to Chicago for a quick stop and then to Cleveland where he met the FBI and surrendered per arrangement. This much I was personally involved with and have record of what transpired. He was trained extensively for Project Norjack during this period of time.

Now, say, "Thank you, Bob," and quit asking the same question over and over. Accept it. It IS the truth.

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[georger 244]

Now, say, "Thank you, Bob," and quit asking the same question over and over. Accept it. It IS the truth.

[MarkBennett 5]

Thanks, Robert,

Marla's account (for the first time I think) severely restricts the timeline. And, I think you can raise reasonable questions: Getting from jump to finding his bearings, contacting his accomplice and driving 200 miles in about 12 hours. All of this at night and in the rain and on mountain roads. That's a fair question.

On the other hand, I don't think talking about cashing in AFTER the FBI labels her story as "promising" has any correlation to whether it's true or not.

If the FBI had said the same thing about Kenny Christianson after your book, wouldn't you have thought you might cash in? You might not have posted it on Facebook (or penciled in cleavage

[MarkBennett 5]

Jo,

Quick question for you. Not counting Geoff Gray and Bruce Smith who received basically "No, thank you" responses, are you the only one who has actually talked to Tina Mucklow?

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Thanks, Robert,

Marla's account (for the first time I think) severely restricts the timeline. And, I think you can raise reasonable questions: Getting from jump to finding his bearings, contacting his accomplice and driving 200 miles in about 12 hours. All of this at night and in the rain and on mountain roads. That's a fair question.

On the other hand, I don't think talking about cashing in AFTER the FBI labels her story as "promising" has any correlation to whether it's true or not.

If the FBI had said the same thing about Kenny Christianson after your book, wouldn't you have thought you might cash in? You might not have posted it on Facebook (or penciled in cleavage

Mr. Blevins joining the fray has not helped in any
regard. Why have hundreds of others remained
silent? Why has it always become Mr. Blevin's
personal task to straighten out the world ... on
500 different topics under the Sun, including Marla?

In a twist of humor the moderator of this forum
even suggested the whole Marla Affair was a
conspiracy concocted to 'disrupt Mr. Blevins' ? Is
Mr. Blevins THAT important, in any realm?

Prior to finding the DB Cooper-thing Blevins was a
nobody. Now he's front page news? Competing with
Marla and the FBI? On the same level?

Its absurd on its face.

Who or What makes RobertMBlevins special?


Blevins hasn't added one thing to the Marla story
except his own personal brand of disruption. Marla
came here. Blevins chased her off with rude
demands only Blevins is capable of. It added
nothing but another unecessary layer to an already
convoluted story and denied others here a fair
chance with Marla.

Who is RMBlevins to ask/demand anything of Marla
or anyone else including the FBI, especially since
he's stirring his own pot of 'claims and more claims'.
Sluggo, a longtime member here tagged Blevins
early, quote: "he thinks he's a legend in his own
mind!".

Marla simply told Blevins: "Bite me".

That is the sum and substance of what Blevins has
accomplished, in the Marla matter.

Blevins drops Geoff Gray's name - without Gray's
permission I might add! Blevins is nothing but a
nightmare to Geoff Gray, if Gray's statements on the
matter count at all! ?

And Gray's feelings don't count, so far as Mr. Blevins
is concerned! Nobody's feelings matter when it
comes to Mr. Blevins. It is just Blevins dropping
Gray's name one more time, in an endless scenario
of Blevins taking advantage of people. Blevins calls
it 'journalism', I guess! AB Books of Seattle?

It's outrageous on its face. But it brings Blevins
some attention he is seeking, and the reason he joined this circus in the first place. Not because he has anything real to offer, not because he has added anything of real substance on any level, but because "Blevins is a legend in his own mind" and must feed some personal demon ... and the
Internet is free, more-or-less.

Who in his right mind or with any real business to
conduct can take any of this seriously?

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Jo,

Quick question for you. Not counting Geoff Gray and Bruce Smith who received basically "No, thank you" responses, are you the only one who has actually talked to Tina Mucklow?

she claims to have - no proof she has for any longer
than it took for Mucklow to hang up!

Jo Weber would call God if she could find a
telephone number!