DB Cooper

[EVickiW 0]

See attached

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

[mrshutter45 21]

Quote

See attached

Vicki, was anyone hurt in that wind blast

DZ was down last night? anyone else have this problem?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

Quote

(*Groans*)
You call that snow! ? Your snow has only started.
Better look at a forceast, Moutain Man.

Georger: I agree - I have pictures of snow in Milledgeville, Ga with more snow than Blevins was complaining about in his post. Viewing his pics - I just raised my eyebrows!

I just typed and deleted a post about one of the posters I wish would go POOF, but decided against it. No, Georger it was not Blevins (his posts are civil and he promotes his book, but goes with the territory).

When another poster tries to COLOR the posts of another with lies and deception, that is just the last straw for me. We all know who I am referencing!

This person did and still does destroy everything I have worked to accomplish in seeking the truth. He and he alone is responsible for the FBI dropping the investigation on Weber. He never has offered one piece of evidence he knew Weber - not ONE. He has filled his story with the bait I put out to see what he really knew.

He took the bait and ran with it and now everyone is caught in the fishing line. He has managed to destroy all other life in the Cooper ponds. There is little for me to say other than to continue to try on my good days to do a post about the trip that just might show more detailed information than I orginally gave the FBI (or more than they could digest in the limited times they spoke to me).

My actual sharing of information with the FBI was very limited, as I thought Himmelsbach was relaying information to them. I was WRONG! I doubt the FBI ever heard my complete accounting of the Sentimental Journey in 1979 or they would have looked into this by now.

The BIG clue to Duane's connection with this event is his history in WA, OR and ID. A portion of Duane's history the FBI does not have and if they have it - the file is closed as confidential. Duane's involvement in the above mentioned states also involved Ed Horan (whatever his real name was). Picture Attached made approx 1981. Only known picture of this man (he did not want to be photographed). He appears in NO company photos nor does Duane for the TX firm. In fact finding any of those men - has been a lost cause....it is like the ones of interest never existed.

On the light side:


Just something I kept thinking I could do, but do not have the computer skills to do so. Certain companies seemed to have hired a lot excons and ghosts - to sell life insurance?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Robert99 50]

FYI, Thanks again to Georger for posting all that weather information recently. Contrary to his statement, that was the first weather information for November 24, 1971 that I can remember receiving from him.

But now that the information is at hand, Hominid has been doing some posting related to it on Sluggo's Yahoo thread. Hominid is currently away but will resume that posting when he returns.

In addition, I plan to do my own interpretation of that weather for various points in Oregon and Washington and will post it in due time. Hominid has the option of going first with these posts (and taking the flack that they will receive).

I am just saying that the weather discussion is not over yet and there will be more in a week or two. Also, it is hoped that the posts Hominid and I put out in the near future will be "comprehensive" and get the entire information in one place. Haggling over bits and pieces at a time is not the way to go.

[Robert99 50]

Quote

The worst experiences I've had with snow were:

A) Spending a night on the flank of Rainier in a tube tent, dug in tight, while the wind whipped the tent at forty MPH or better all night. Sleep? Not happening.

B) My Idiocy on Mount Rainier.

C) Lost for 34 days after a big snow.

I guess that's it.

Blevins, How could you possibly be "lost" for 34 days? The people I know would have been drummed out of the Cub Scouts and/or Campfire Girls if they had been "lost" for 34 minutes.

Obviously, Seattle does not have a Polar Bear Club where the members break a hole in the ice and go swimming on January 1st.

[skyjack71 0]

Leave JO WEBER and DUANE WEBER out of any discussion you have in this thread about Cooper.
Feel free to discuss Cooper, but you did NOT know Duane Weber and if you did PRODUCE the PROOF. You have NEVER produce one thing that would indicate you actually ever met the man.

Put up or shut up!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[EVickiW 0]

Quote

Quote

See attached

Vicki, was anyone hurt in that wind blast

DZ was down last night? anyone else have this problem?

Only casualty was a class of Cupcake - Red Velvet!

and...

DZ was down as there was damage to the fibre cable used by their server host. (taken from Dropzone FB Page)

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

[377 22]

Hurand looks a lot like E. Howard Hunt.

From Wiki:

Quote

Everette Howard Hunt, Jr. (October 9, 1918 – January 23, 2007) was an American intelligence officer and writer. Hunt served for many years as a CIA officer. Hunt, with G. Gordon Liddy and others, was one of the Nixon White House "plumbers" — a secret team of operatives charged with fixing "leaks." Hunt, along with Liddy, engineered the first Watergate burglary, and other undercover operations for Nixon. In the ensuing Watergate Scandal, Hunt was convicted of burglary, conspiracy and wiretapping, eventually serving 33 months in prison.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 244]

Quote

FYI, Thanks again to Georger for posting all that weather information recently. Contrary to his statement, that was the first weather information for November 24, 1971 that I can remember receiving from him.

But now that the information is at hand, Hominid has been doing some posting related to it on Sluggo's Yahoo thread. Hominid is currently away but will resume that posting when he returns.

In addition, I plan to do my own interpretation of that weather for various points in Oregon and Washington and will post it in due time. Hominid has the option of going first with these posts (and taking the flack that they will receive).

I am just saying that the weather discussion is not over yet and there will be more in a week or two. Also, it is hoped that the posts Hominid and I put out in the near future will be "comprehensive" and get the entire information in one place. Haggling over bits and pieces at a time is not the way to go.

So stop haggling!

I have unsubscribed from Sluggo's Yahoo group
because he wont let me post there, for some
reason. So now I cant even read that group, and
frankly dont care any more.

Frankly this shit bores the hell out of me!

Get a life!

[ps: Seattle office says currently about 90-120,000
people in the Seattle area wthout power due to the
storm. Blevins in hospital with self inflicted wounds
dropping that table to his foot ]

[matthewcline 0]

Quote

Quote

Quote

Quote

I want to hear, Read, your recollections.
I would like to read the whole story from start to finish, with out tangents, just a factual time line.

Matt

Sorry Matt. You are not qualified. Can't trust you with liable information. I'm sure you understand. You need credentials, like an authorization from Bill Rataczak for me to release the documents. I understand he has said no comment.

BS, I did not ask for that, I asked for your MEMORY of the events. Other wise it is just LSD induced lies.

You now what LSD is, right?

Matt

MK Ultra was discontinued prior to 1968, but the mind control program continued to be recognized by that title. New name was Bluebird or Artichoke and those programs did not incorporate the experimental drug scenerio. Where do you get off making all these wild conclusions? And you want me to trust you with my information? Are you nuts? Your intentions are clearly not reputable. You are trolling for a flame under directions. Give it up. You are not good at this game.

I make conclusions based on your information if they are wrong it is because of, your information.
I am no more "nuts" than you. (some are about to call me insane, I think)
My intentions are to find out the truth, if you think that is not reputable, I am sorry.
I troll for no one, I serve no master in this "game", so little do I serve any one in this "game", that, I am not playing a "game".

I think your "story", is just that a, "story". Made up as a fiction based on things you have read or heard about. Why? I don't know, maybe a way to justify your past?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[georger 244]

Quote

Quote

Quote

Quote

Quote

I want to hear, Read, your recollections.
I would like to read the whole story from start to finish, with out tangents, just a factual time line.

Matt

Sorry Matt. You are not qualified. Can't trust you with liable information. I'm sure you understand. You need credentials, like an authorization from Bill Rataczak for me to release the documents. I understand he has said no comment.

BS, I did not ask for that, I asked for your MEMORY of the events. Other wise it is just LSD induced lies.

You now what LSD is, right?

Matt

MK Ultra was discontinued prior to 1968, but the mind control program continued to be recognized by that title. New name was Bluebird or Artichoke and those programs did not incorporate the experimental drug scenerio. Where do you get off making all these wild conclusions? And you want me to trust you with my information? Are you nuts? Your intentions are clearly not reputable. You are trolling for a flame under directions. Give it up. You are not good at this game.

I make conclusions based on your information if they are wrong it is because of, your information.
I am no more "nuts" than you. (some are about to call me insane, I think)
My intentions are to find out the truth, if you think that is not reputable, I am sorry.
I troll for no one, I serve no master in this "game", so little do I serve any one in this "game", that, I am not playing a "game".

I think your "story", is just that a, "story". Made up as a fiction based on things you have read or heard about. Why? I don't know, maybe a way to justify your past?

Matt

at least you are consistent - have a beer & relax!

[ShotterMG 0]

Frankly this shit bores the hell out of me!

Get a life


Says the man with 4693 posts. Unreal.

[matthewcline 0]

Oh, I am relaxed!

I just think it is time for BK to come clean or leave the scene!

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[mrshutter45 21]

Quote

Oh, I am relaxed!

I just think it is time for BK to come clean or leave the scene!

Matt

I think the term "don't feed the trolls" is the best approach

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Amazon 7]

Behind the scenes...I think other factos are at work....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6FYVRn2_cY

[BobKnoss 0]

Quote

Leave JO WEBER and DUANE WEBER out of any discussion you have in this thread about Cooper.
Feel free to discuss Cooper, but you did NOT know Duane Weber and if you did PRODUCE the PROOF. You have NEVER produce one thing that would indicate you actually ever met the man.

Put up or shut up!

I have all the proof that was necessary for Bill Rataczak as he is one of the three who who really are affected. I am not here to convict anyone. Yes, I knew Duane for about 4-5 months in the summer of the late 60's. He and his family at the time were caretakers at an apartment complex near 92nd and Lyndale in Bloomington, Mn. I sent many, many pictures. You confirmed that with his wife before she died, remember? She was arrested stealing the apartment rent and ran off with her boyfriend. She was caught and Duane decided to get a divorce, remember? It was in the Bloomington Sun bi-weekly newspaper. His sole purpose for being there was to train for Project Norjak. He went parachute training with the other two guys as often as they could. He was trained for the hijacking. I gave you a long list of idiosyncracies, habits, quotations, identified his pictures as Dan Cooper, ALL of it. You just hate me because I won't bend the truth to the way you want to modify the story. Honestly, you probably don't really know because you weren't here. There are many people who could tell you, but few will, as everyone is close to and wants to protect Da Boys. Da Boys are completely safe, but some are TOTALLY paranoid. You are just totally peed off. You know better.

[Farflung 0]

This takes the cake today. Apparently with all the ‘real time’, speed of light, social networking and system crosschecks available, the planet has found comfort in the arms of stupidity.

Look at any Zombieish suburbanite holding an Android or iPhone while madly texting and ask yourself; where did it all go so tragically wrong? Technology is supposed to increase efficiency, productivity, wealth and the quality of life. Instead……

The week starts with some stumble bum Captain with a ship off Italy, equipped with a GPS system that actually allowed the crew to approach and strike an obstacle. An obstacle that blemished a salute the ship was offering the maitre d’s family. That according to a Facebook announcement minutes before the collision. Hey everyone, my brother’s ship is about to pass – be sure to ‘like’ this!

Next comes Iowa or as it is called, ‘The Italian Cruise Ship Captain of the Midwest’ (really it’s called that). Armed with similar technologies and the knowledge that a close election was just announced to an anxious nation, they discovered eight missing precinct counts which changed the winner. When asked how this information was lost, the chairperson used the brilliant ‘I dunno’ defense. You know every one of those butt holes were Twittering and Texting how many Precious Moments Figurines they acquired that week, but couldn’t find the strength to count the hundred or so votes in their respective precincts, write that down, send in the ‘official’ forms and Tweet or Text the results to HQ as a redundant fail safe. Nope.

Now with weather viewed with space satellites in…… space, tomorrow’s forecast is rarely the surprise that Klag and Ogg struggled with while tending their cave fires as primitive, stupid, knuckle dragging, Neanderthals, who were strangers to iPhones and toilet paper. Thanks to that technology, people were able to avoid the ice slicked streets, thus the inevitable collisions, which strain emergency services resulting in higher taxes and insurance premiums. Stupid cave men didn’t even have car insurance. Instead modern man (hunter gatherer) used his technological advantage to remain in his home (cave) until the very weight of the ice disrupted the power grid leaving approximately 200,000 of them squatting in the dark.

So what’s next? This is the worst thing to hit the Pacific Northwest since the famous ‘unknown storm’ on Thanksgiving eve 1971. Whatever materializes, I know that technology will be used to assuage absolutely nothing; while those who claim mastery will be advancing their carpel tunnel syndrome in the very phalanges that theoretically separate us from the rest of the zoo citizens. OBE TTFN AFM

[BobKnoss 0]

Quote

Oh, I am relaxed!

I just think it is time for BK to come clean or leave the scene!

Matt

There have been numerous posts on the history. Nobody else wants me to post it again, they all know it. I think you are just trolling me to try to ridicule any little item you might choose to disbelieve. I've been through the mill with the top guns on this and I doubt you could shed any light on the subject, so it makes no sense for me to try to explain anything to you. You have no goal but to attack. I do not wish to fight. I wish to point out things others have missed or misinterpreted. That is hard to do with amateur and professional sluths because the case was planned in reverse and what seems obvious is just an intended diversion. The truth is always somewhere else. If you don't know the details, you will never see the truth. Like a Pirate's buried treasure, but there ain't no treasure, just a secret story. Get it?

[Amazon 7]

Quote

This takes the cake today. Apparently with all the ‘real time’, speed of light, social networking and system crosschecks available, the planet has found comfort in the arms of stupidity.

Look at any Zombieish suburbanite holding an Android or iPhone while madly texting and ask yourself; where did it all go so tragically wrong? Technology is supposed to increase efficiency, productivity, wealth and the quality of life. Instead……

The week starts with some stumble bum Captain with a ship off Italy, equipped with a GPS system that actually allowed the crew to approach and strike an obstacle. An obstacle that blemished a salute the ship was offering the maitre d’s family. That according to a Facebook announcement minutes before the collision. Hey everyone, my brother’s ship is about to pass – be sure to ‘like’ this!

Next comes Iowa or as it is called, ‘The Italian Cruise Ship Captain of the Midwest’ (really it’s called that). Armed with similar technologies and the knowledge that a close election was just announced to an anxious nation, they discovered eight missing precinct counts which changed the winner. When asked how this information was lost, the chairperson used the brilliant ‘I dunno’ defense. You know every one of those butt holes were Twittering and Texting how many Precious Moments Figurines they acquired that week, but couldn’t find the strength to count the hundred or so votes in their respective precincts, write that down, send in the ‘official’ forms and Tweet or Text the results to HQ as a redundant fail safe. Nope.

Now with weather viewed with space satellites in…… space, tomorrow’s forecast is rarely the surprise that Klag and Ogg struggled with while tending their cave fires as primitive, stupid, knuckle dragging, Neanderthals, who were strangers to iPhones and toilet paper. Thanks to that technology, people were able to avoid the ice slicked streets, thus the inevitable collisions, which strain emergency services resulting in higher taxes and insurance premiums. Stupid cave men didn’t even have car insurance. Instead modern man (hunter gatherer) used his technological advantage to remain in his home (cave) until the very weight of the ice disrupted the power grid leaving approximately 200,000 of them squatting in the dark.

So what’s next? This is the worst thing to hit the Pacific Northwest since the famous ‘unknown storm’ on Thanksgiving eve 1971. Whatever materializes, I know that technology will be used to assuage absolutely nothing; while those who claim mastery will be advancing their carpel tunnel syndrome in the very phalanges that theoretically separate us from the rest of the zoo citizens. OBE TTFN AFM

Actually its up to about 800,000 people in the cold and dark in the local area.. with temps well below freezing. One guy dead from an ice laden tree tha jumped on him as he pulled out of his garage...freezing rain is some neat stuff isn't it.

The power has been on and off here all day long.. I am good though... I live in the foothills of the Cascades and am prepared for this crap when it comes. I have telecommuted all week long, I have backup power... MyFi.... and a very capable wood stove.. and plenty of food to lat me while this pases from Snomageddon to the inevitaqble floods that will come as soon as the storm rolls in off the Not So Pacific Ocean with warmer temps.. all the rivers will be flooding within a few days.

[mrshutter45 21]

Quote

Oh, I am relaxed!

I just think it is time for BK to come clean or leave the scene!

Matt

I found this interesting! read who commented at the bottom.

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2007/09/kelly-ghost-pavlik-knocks-out-jermain.html

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Farflung 0]

Way to go Amazon. Smart, safe and ultimately sane.

I can’t imagine people not having a secondary heat source if not a cheap genset to get through this predictable stuff. I have a Thelin Gnome in the bedroom and it can last days on two bags of pellets and an SLA battery. Wood burning is even better since you only need the wood and a match.

Tele-commute or just stay home as there is nothing but ‘adventure’ over the rise. I keep several cases of beer and beef jerky for just such an event. OK that was a lie, I have that stuff pretty much all the time. But in such a situation, I become prepared and resourceful instead of a drunk with a poor cuisine choice.

So here’s your itinerary:

1. Go to Italy where the GPS system on ships will be programmed to steer clear of any charted obstacles unless; at least three individuals accept a deviation by inserting a key and entering a code while having a thumb biometrically validated allowing the change. Don’t worry all other countries WILL follow this example.

2. Iowa. Teach them base ten counting techniques and the statistics behind an eight vote victory with a denominator of 30,000. They will understand and comply if you threaten them with something unimaginably horrible; like moving to Iowa.

3. Washington. Home of Microsoft and Boeing where the companies didn’t issue a ‘Snow Day’ for a city unequipped for such an event. Two CEOs and several hundred thousand employees clawing their way to a multi thousand dollar car accident, so they don’t get yelled at. Teach them how not to be pussies.

That should get you started. Use the ‘Lead by Example’ thing, you do it well and it may work. That’s all I got. Keep the home fires burning and NO walking or driving under any trees.

[Orange1 0]

Quote

Quote

Oh, I am relaxed!

I just think it is time for BK to come clean or leave the scene!

Matt

I think the term "don't feed the trolls" is the best approach

BK has done two things for this thread:
1. Strengthen the argument of those who say it is a waste of bandwidth
2. Provide a yardstick against which Jo's leaps of logic and conspiracy theories look positively rational.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[skyjack71 0]

Knoss states:

Quote

Yes, I knew Duane for about 4-5 months in the summer of the late 60's. He and his family at the time were caretakers at an apartment complex near 92nd and Lyndale in Bloomington, Mn. I sent many, many pictures. You confirmed that with his wife before she died, remember?

His family was not there. Only the wife and that was for less than 6 wks. I told you she did NOT recognize any of the photos you sent of the apartments. She told me Duane was on the run at that time.

Knoss states:

Quote

She was arrested stealing the apartment rent and ran off with her boyfriend. She was caught and Duane decided to get a divorce, remember?

Grey checked out your story regarding an arrest and found NOTHING regarding your slanderous statement about Duane's wife. How can I remember something that was never related to you. She stayed with"Johnny" until May of 1972.

Knoss states:

Quote

It was in the Bloomington Sun bi-weekly newspaper.

Grey found nothing on this - and if it is true - then YOU present the news article! You can't - because it did NOT happen...


Knoss states:

Quote

I gave you a long list of idiosyncracies, habits, quotations, identified his pictures as Dan Cooper, ALL of it

.


Bull! All you have is the BAIT I hooked you with and Doug Pasternac knows what was bait and what was not!


Knoss states:

Quote

You just hate me because I won't bend the truth to the way you want to modify the story.

I feel sorry for you and that is all...You really need to get some help. If you can prove any part of your story - PRODUCE the new article you claim existed regarding the arrest of the individual you claim was the wife of Duane Weber.

Produce the article and post it in this thread! You know you can't and you won't and can't because it does NOT exist.

Watch this guys - he will now claim authorities "WHITE WASHED" a newpaper article he has already claimed was published.

If anyone here doubts me - just give Grey a call.


Whew! It really makes me sad to have to lay into him, but it was time.

P.S. I will be taking the polygraph at the expense of some very kind people. It is appalling the FBI chose to use government money regarding Marla Cooper and yet I offered to take one yrs ago. Just encase NO one remember this - it was published in an article in 2000 when I went public....yet, the FBI never offered and I could not afford to do it on my own.

Below is the url just encase there is anyone here who has NOT read it - obviously Jerry Thomas did not.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/doubleissue/mysteries/cooper.htm

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[skyjack71 0]

Quote

I have unsubscribed from Sluggo's Yahoo group
because he wont let me post there, for some
reason. So now I cant even read that group, and
frankly dont care any more.

I have a feeling Sluggo is NOT managing the site anymore. I haven't been there in a long time. Have there been any new upsdates in the last 6 months?

P.S.
I might not be able to post for awhile - not feeling too good right now.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[BobKnoss 0]

Quote

Knoss states:


His family was not there. Only the wife and that was for less than 6 wks. I told you she did NOT recognize any of the photos you sent of the apartments. She told me Duane was on the run at that time.

OK, maybe the kids were not there, I never saw them, but you are totally incorrect on the rest of it. Consider the SOURCE of the information. You said she DID recognize the interior shots. Your suppositions are based on bad information and supported by a leading bias. I KNOW what I claim is correct as it is a first hand life experience for me, not some secondhand 40 year recollection by some senile old female criminal. As I said, those that need to know have verified what I claim. If you don't want to accept it, that's fine, but don't try to claim your "maybe this and maybe that" as what happened, because it just ain't so. Too many people know better. The presentation of corroborating written word is as much evidence as the absence thereof, knowing the cleaner and his activities.


Bull! All you have is the BAIT I hooked you with and Doug Pasternac knows what was bait and what was not!

Doug wasn't there and only has your false information. You meant to say you lied through your teeth about everything and I accepted it briefly? Live and learn, Jo. We can't believe ANYTHING you say anymore. You are well known as a liar now because of it. Jerry is right. Jerry knows everything.

You just hate me because I won't bend the truth to the way you want to modify the story. You are being perceived crystal clear based on your famous past performances. Jerry, Ralph and I do not hate you and we did not team up to isolate you from the FBI. You did that all by yourself. Too many lies.

"Whew! It really makes me sad to have to lay into him, but it was time."

Yah! Right! You are totally in tears, again. You warned me long ago that you would disavow and deny what we know in order not to lead your version of the story into the conspiracy theory because you promised Cap to protect him. You thought going for the whole truth would make your story unbelievable, and you did not want to risk that. But that was just more bait, right? Right!

"P.S. I will be taking the polygraph at the expense of some very kind people. It is appalling the FBI chose to use government money regarding Marla Cooper and yet I offered to take one yrs ago. Just encase NO one remember this - it was published in an article in 2000 when I went public....yet, the FBI never offered and I could not afford to do it on my own."

It is not in their best interest to polygraph you. They knew Maria would fail, so that exercise was necessary to eliminate another story.
What REALLY IS SAD is that I believe you really believe half your own incorrect notes. I have a couple confidential questions for your polygraph test that you will NEVER pass! Of course, you wouldn't add them yourself and you aren't supposed know them ahead of time for them to be effective....