BobKnoss 0 #30051 January 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteInteresting topic: Squeaky Fromme, another case almost 40 years old. I thought this was interesting: Cooool! Then you will really like this one, and you can check this one out too. I knew Ted Kaczynski also. The Unabomber. You could verify this with his brother, David, if you really wanted to prove something. I can add a few more equally unbelievable stories if you verify this one. Others who can verify are Paul Lea, formerly of Alice, Tx, and John Hightower, formerly of Memphis, Tn. Here is some verification data for David: We all went to see Pat Boone and Terry Moore in "Bernardine" in Las Vegas, NM, while our parents attended Summer School at Highlands University, 1957, with Drs. Edward Teller, Dr. Sam Massey, et. al.. I was 14, he was 15. I was the guy with his right leg in a cast. Brother David and his three or four friends sat on the left side of the theater about 2/3 of the way down, Theodore and I sat in the middle center. He explained his anti-technology position to me in detail and was writing an early draft of his manifesto at that time, we spent hours in discussions and debate, and he would sit with Teller on the college steps in deep ethical conversation. Very troubled but intelligent guy. Ask David Kaczynski. I could not fabricate this stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #30052 January 23, 2012 I could not fabricate this stuff. Quote ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #30053 January 23, 2012 Quote Quote ("Tongue-in-cheek analogy" for you Dick and Jane winners) Boy did you miss on all accounts with that one. Matt Arrows? You missed the Indians! Dick and Jane Award Winner of the year! Astounding! Oye, MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #30054 January 23, 2012 Quote I could not fabricate this stuff. Quote He should work for Dupont in their Nylon Fabric Debt, he weaves a good yarn! And as Nylon is a "made up" or "man made" material, well it seems a good fit! MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Orange1 0 #30055 January 23, 2012 I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #30056 January 23, 2012 Quote I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... ....Ted Bundy....Green River Killer...Sarah Jane Olson (aka;Kathleen Ann Soliah)....Sasquatch......Dr. Seuss.Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #30057 January 23, 2012 Quote Quote I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... ....Ted Bundy....Green River Killer...Sarah Jane Olson (aka;Kathleen Ann Soliah)....Sasquatch......Dr. Seuss. The Yeti, Jersey Devil, Chuakacabra yada yada. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #30058 January 23, 2012 Quote Quote Quote I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... ....Ted Bundy....Green River Killer...Sarah Jane Olson (aka;Kathleen Ann Soliah)....Sasquatch......Dr. Seuss. The Yeti, Jersey Devil, Chuakacabra yada yada. Matt also possible that he shot J.R. ....was also belived to be Wilson from Home Improvement...code name "project fence line" Ask Mac. Ask Jerry!"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #30059 January 23, 2012 Quote Quote Quote I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... ....Ted Bundy....Green River Killer...Sarah Jane Olson (aka;Kathleen Ann Soliah)....Sasquatch......Dr. Seuss. The Yeti, Jersey Devil, Chuakacabra yada yada. Matt Don't forget Morgan Fairchild...WHOM he's slept with...yeah, THAT'S the ticket!! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #30060 January 23, 2012 Quote I could not fabricate this stuff. Quote Was it blotter or microdot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #30061 January 23, 2012 Quote Quote I could not fabricate this stuff. Quote Was it blotter or microdot Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds?Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #30062 January 23, 2012 knoss recited his repertoire of relationshipes with known criminals and notorious individuals - stating: Quote I could not fabricate this stuff. Quote Airtwardo replied with a smiley and nothing could be more appropriate other than how very very this is. Unfortunately his interferences regarding Weber caused the FBI to ignore the best suspect they ever had - until DL Cooper came along. In 2010 the FBI agents involved in Marla's DL Cooper saga were NOT even born when Cooper made his jump in 1971. Now that one is able You guys are just now getting a little taste of what I have dealt with for at least 13 yrs.. Not sure when he first contacted me. I do know it was before I went public in 2000. Remember I did NOT have a computer or knowledge of the internet except thru work until Jan. of 2000. Most of the initial contacts with this man were by phone. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #30063 January 24, 2012 I acquired a good map of WA., but it has all of the new airports on it - I do not know if that is good or bad. I spoke with a Cooper Sleuth last night about The Dalles Airport because the Airport Duane pointed out from The Dalles was on the WA side of the river, So which is it and are there 2 airports as the individual suggested?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #30064 January 24, 2012 A poster from the WA/ID area lives near Pullman. I was wondering if he or anyone else in that area could check some County Record or provide me with the County seat of these areas. I need to contact them. Duane spoke about Pullman, Moscow and Palouse and Potlatch. This was when he mentioned Coure'd Alene. I do not know what the County Seat of Pullman is and the counties are not outlined on this map. I stumbled into a piece of information last night I did NOT know I had. Duane was married to Edna in California (so it states) on his disability questionaire. I have never been able to find a marriage certificate nor a maiden name for Edna. She might have known Duane L. Weber as Dusty. In 1956 he writes his mother from SanQuentin when his father died to let Edna attend in his stead. Therefore the family MUST have had some contact with her and the child - but his brother NEVER divulge this and all of the family records are gone except what John (Duane's brother who Duane did not see for the last 38 yrs of his life) sent me. The only surving blood relative John had was his niece...John took secrets to the grave with him. MOM and DAD kept very good records - there should have been something on this child. I was told by the ex - that Duane attempted to see his daughter in TX, but was not successful. Again this was a parallel to the story told by Clara to Max Gunther. It was the MAIN reason Max wanted to know were to find the ex-wife...when he was going to CA. I have always wished Grey could have found Max's files on this - someone threw away history. Note: Max and his wife had NO children. How all of this connect to OR and WA - I am NOT sure unless Edna was with him or from that area, but WHAT last name did Edna have. I have never been able acquire anymore information about the wife or the child. Supposedly the child was named Zona if Duane was NOT lieing.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #30065 January 24, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... ....Ted Bundy....Green River Killer...Sarah Jane Olson (aka;Kathleen Ann Soliah)....Sasquatch......Dr. Seuss. The Yeti, Jersey Devil, Chuakacabra yada yada. Matt Nope. None of those things. But I knew you'd get a hoot outta Theodore and Squeeky. Duane was BORING. Contact for Alice's verification is Terry Jackson, formerly of Bishop, Calif. Alice used to be his girlfriend. Terry is the son of my mother's best friend, and was a friend of Charlie Manson. Easy to check out by good super sleuths..... The Dick and Jane Winners need not try. It's a loosing proposition there. Vicki could handle it! She's good. Morgan Fairchild? Yah, right. Harry Morgan, maybe. Don't forget Morgan Fairchild...WHOM he's slept with...yeah, THAT'S the ticket!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 1969912 0 #30066 January 24, 2012 Pullman and Palouse, WA are both in Whitman County, and the county seat is Colfax. Colfax is about 13 miles outside of Pullman. Moscow and Potlatch, ID are both in Latah County, and the county seat is Moscow. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #30067 January 24, 2012 Quote I acquired a good map of WA., but it has all of the new airports on it - I do not know if that is good or bad. I spoke with a Cooper Sleuth last night about The Dalles Airport because the Airport Duane pointed out from The Dalles was on the WA side of the river, So which is it and are there 2 airports as the individual suggested? Here is a good link for you Jo.... Save it http://wikimapia.org/#lat=45.61839&lon=-121.1675692&z=15&l=0&m=b Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #30068 January 24, 2012 This new map has things jumping out at me - but, I will not venture as to why other than I have seen them on other maps just not as VIVID as this map is. I have discussed Goldendale and the bar before..one to the point he spoke about Trout and Salmon and Bingen. In Washougal it only shows the one airport I have found, but Duane indicated another airport approx. North East - in the direction of the Washougal loop...evidently it is NO long there or it was just a private or forestry dirt strip. This map is marked and supplied by one of the "witnesses" who like others tried to tell the FBI Cooper survived. The plane was heard in the Mt. St Helens area between Hood Mountain and Cougar. She claims the plane flanked S.W. Mt. St. Helens, perhaps in an attempt to dump Cooper. She lives right under this path and said the wind was blowing to the EASTand from the West.. She and others in this accounting were on the ground that night when the plane came over and another report indicated a man in unappropriate wear walking along a road (at day break the next day)NOW GET TIHS (walking toward Swift Dam) from the East. There was a LOGGING bridge near this point and she thinks he crossed this bridge and followed the logging rail. Her drawing and witness accounting put Cooper going right back at them (were the FBI concentrated their search). She thinks Cooper went to the Chelatchie Mill area and from there it was a piece of Cake. The plane was also heard very low just over Heisson, which validates this woman's story and the point North of there were she lived. Remember Duane telling me about a jumping area near the airstrip North of 500. He pointed out a road on the other side of the strip that hid another road. Too tired to continue.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hominid 0 #30069 January 24, 2012 Please excuse the interruption, and the length of this post. There have been some claims that the weather was very bad as Flight 305 came through the Vancouver-Portland area. Some of this has been in relation to someone in a helicopter at unspecified locations and times, but at 2500'. Some has been about the Columbia River Gorge (which extends many miles to the east along the river starting a few miles east of Portland and Vancouver, and is basically the border between Oregon and Washington in that area). The claims are inconsistent with NWS data that has been reproduced at WeatherUnderground.com, but the weather data FBI agent Carr posted (then, Georger reposted) provides an opportunity to check about the claims using data that was actually produced by the predecesor to the National Weather Service on that night. The data includes reports of weather conditions for Portland International Airport (PDX), Troutdale airport, Toledo airport and The Dalles at 8pm (image 6b), 9pm (image 5b) and 9:17pm (part 1 of image 1b) PST. Troutdale is a little east of PDX practically at the mouth of the gorge. The Dalles is further east, actually in the gorge. Toledo is a few minutes north of the Vancouver plain. PORTLAND AIRPORT The maximum cloud coverage ("overcast") was at a base of 5000' for all three observations, from 8pm through 9:17pm. Over that time frame, the "broken" layer base rose from 2700' to 3100' to 3500' (all AGL). In other words, the layer that (with any lower layer) provided over .5 coverage was rising over the period. The sky was clearing below 3500' and a helo at 2500' AGL would have been below most of the cloud coverage the entire time. Over that same time sequence, an 8pm "scattered" layer at 1500' AGL was gone at 9pm, but was then back at 9:17. In place of that scattered layer, a few "CUFRA" at 1500' were reported at the intermediate time (when the scattered layer had disappeared). I believe from this that the CUFRA was the remains of the scattered layer of clouds rather than clouds that were ripped away from larger clouds by winds, or formed by the higher clouds. That is, the scattered clouds had shrunk to almost nothing and were identified as CUFRA because of their appearance. A 2500' helo would be above this base in clear air or scattered clouds. Also, the horizontal visibility (air "clear-ness") peaked at the intermediate observation time. It was 7 statute miles (SM) at 8pm, went up to 10SM at 9pm (when the low clouds were disappearing), then went back to 6SM at 9:17. Light showers were reported at each time. The existence of the data for 8pm and 9pm in the data Carr posted gives us an opportunity to fill in between the 7pm and 10pm data from WeatherUnderground. Combining data from the sources shows that the wind speed went from 4.6mph at 7pm, to 11.5mph at 8pm, to 12.67mph at 9pm, to 11.5mph at 10pm. The wind speed went abruptly up from nearly dead calm between 7pm and 8pm, then stayed approximately constant for the next two hours. [inline wnd24th.bmp] Similarly, the wind direction changed from 130° (SE) at 7pm (when there was barely any wind) to 270° (W) at 8pm to 190° (S) at 9pm and to 200° (SSW) at 10pm. The abrupt change of the wind to west at 8pm, then back to SSW at 9pm is intriguing. (BTW: wind directions are plus or minus 5°.) Note how some possibly significant transient weather data is missed by WeatherUnderground because of their giving data for only every third hour. The wind direction for 7pm is basically meaningless because of the fact that the wind speed was so low. Winds often change direction frequently and erratically when their speeds are low. This is partly because the small perterbations in various directions are what remain when the sustained wind drops to near zero. The low wind has no "conviction." It's "indecisive." Other than the 8pm west wind, I do not see change much different than the changes for earlier and later days. If you're looking at the WeatherUnderground page for PDX on 11/24/71, you can select to view data for the entire week at the top of the data table.)(Also see attached.) However, the virtual dead calm from 4pm to 7pm is not present for days shortly before or after the 24th. What does that calm, followed by the abruptly higher speed and short-term west wind, imply for weather near Portland in the following hour? It looks like the 3 hours of calm was a calm before a weak windstorm, not a "calm before THE storm." But it may have just been a random situation of two 3-hourly observations in a row being the same. TROUTDALE AIRPORT From 8pm to 9pm to 9:17pm the base of the sky obscuring (overcast) cloud layer rose from 4000' to 6000' AGL. At 8pm no lower layer was reported. At 9pm a layer of "broken" clouds (over .5 coverage) developed at a little under 2200' AGL. It rose to 4000' AGL at 9:17, at which time a "scattered" layer had developed at 1500', the horizontal visibility had dropped to 7SM (from 10), and the wind direction had changed from 220° (SSW) to 270° (W). (wind directions ±5°) Over the period, wind speed had gone from 7kt to 21kt/24mph (9pm) to 12kt. Light showers at 8pm, very light at 9pm, and back to light at 9:17pm. In general, showers and vertical visibility diminished and wind increased for the intermediate observation. Then the wind direction changed and the horizontal visibility dropped a bit. The cloud cover heights increased, but a lower coverage layer appeared. A 2500' helo could have been above a cloud base at any time after 8pm. Generally mild weather at the mouth of the gorge, but the wind did pick up a bit after 8pm. THE DALLES Much of the info for 8pm (just below the line for Yakima "YKM") is illegible in the 8pm report. It appears that the wind was 9kt from 200°. At 9pm there was a "scattered" cloud layer at 1500' and a "broken" layer at an estimated 6000' (AGL). Visibility was 15SM. 6kt wind from 310°. No precipitation was reported for 9pm, rain having begun at 8:04 and ended at 8:06 (2 minutes of rain). At 9:17pm the scattered layer had risen to 2500' and the broken layer had fallen to 4000'. Light showers, wind 15kt (17mph) from 270° (W). The 9:17 report included "chance of light XC" (whatever that meant). For the entire day, the WeatherUnderground site indicates that The Dalles got only .08" of rain. In general, wind dropped and changed direction a bit at 9pm then went back some at 9:17. Cloud layer heights changed. Mild weather at this point in the gorge, except that the wind did go up a bit at 9:17. TOLEDO Toledo was not on the 9:17 report in image 1b, as far as I could tell. At 8pm its report said 3000' AGL overcast (complete cover), 12SM visibility, very light showers, 5kt from 190°, and rain had begun at 7:35. At 9pm the report was 3000' scattered, 3400' measured ceiling/overcast, the same visibility, no rain, 6kt (virtually the same) from the same 190°, and rain had ended at 8:05. Very mild conditions at both 8pm and 9pm a few miles north of Vancouver. A 2500' helo would have been under the cloud base. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #30070 January 24, 2012 Thank You. I believe you have just validated what the woman wrote on the map about the weather - she told her story in 1971 and so did another member of her family, who lived not to far East of her location. What someone also altered the map of the landing zone putting the plane West of the Portland airport - which is NOT true per witness accounts. I have the co-pilots word on this also. Someone used their own interpertation of the times and places on the map - moving minutes and moving the flight West path and it's curves lower. Lift them back up where they belong and the path corresponds exactly with the sounds and the visuals (what they could see withing the layers of the clouds) given by many witnesses - but the FBI did NOT even make notes. I was told by Himmelsbach taking notes intimidates a witness and the agent would have made his notes after returning to his vehicle. Bull, that is just an excuse for a botched investigation! These agents were running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Weird - and not funny...until you have actually seen that chicken running with it head cut off - DON'T laugh! It is freaky! Then I had to pluck the feathers after scalding water was poured over the carcass - that is a horrible smell. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #30071 January 24, 2012 Easy to check out by good super sleuths..... Quote Ya don't have to waste time and 'check out' a shit sandwich by takin' a bite...the smell alone is enough to tell most reasonable people it belongs in the trash. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #30072 January 24, 2012 QuotePlease excuse the interruption, and the length of this post. There have been some claims that the weather was very bad as Flight 305 came through the Vancouver-Portland area. Some of this has been in relation to someone in a helicopter at unspecified locations and times, but at 2500'. Some has been about the Columbia River Gorge (which extends many miles to the east along the river starting a few miles east of Portland and Vancouver, and is basically the border between Oregon and Washington in that area). The claims are inconsistent with NWS data that has been reproduced at WeatherUnderground.com, but the weather data FBI agent Carr posted (then, Georger reposted) provides an opportunity to check about the claims using data that was actually produced by the predecesor to the National Weather Service on that night. The data includes reports of weather conditions for Portland International Airport (PDX), Troutdale airport, Toledo airport and The Dalles at 8pm (image 6b), 9pm (image 5b) and 9:17pm (part 1 of image 1b) PST. Troutdale is a little east of PDX practically at the mouth of the gorge. The Dalles is further east, actually in the gorge. Toledo is a few minutes north of the Vancouver plain. PORTLAND AIRPORT The maximum cloud coverage ("overcast") was at a base of 5000' for all three observations, from 8pm through 9:17pm. Over that time frame, the "broken" layer base rose from 2700' to 3100' to 3500' (all AGL). In other words, the layer that (with any lower layer) provided over .5 coverage was rising over the period. The sky was clearing below 3500' and a helo at 2500' AGL would have been below most of the cloud coverage the entire time. Over that same time sequence, an 8pm "scattered" layer at 1500' AGL was gone at 9pm, but was then back at 9:17. In place of that scattered layer, a few "CUFRA" at 1500' were reported at the intermediate time (when the scattered layer had disappeared). I believe from this that the CUFRA was the remains of the scattered layer of clouds rather than clouds that were ripped away from larger clouds by winds, or formed by the higher clouds. That is, the scattered clouds had shrunk to almost nothing and were identified as CUFRA because of their appearance. A 2500' helo would be above this base in clear air or scattered clouds. Also, the horizontal visibility (air "clear-ness") peaked at the intermediate observation time. It was 7 statute miles (SM) at 8pm, went up to 10SM at 9pm (when the low clouds were disappearing), then went back to 6SM at 9:17. Light showers were reported at each time. The existence of the data for 8pm and 9pm in the data Carr posted gives us an opportunity to fill in between the 7pm and 10pm data from WeatherUnderground. Combining data from the sources shows that the wind speed went from 4.6mph at 7pm, to 11.5mph at 8pm, to 12.67mph at 9pm, to 11.5mph at 10pm. The wind speed went abruptly up from nearly dead calm between 7pm and 8pm, then stayed approximately constant for the next two hours. Similarly, the wind direction changed from 130° (SE) at 7pm (when there was barely any wind) to 270° (W) at 8pm to 190° (S) at 9pm and to 200° (SSW) at 10pm. The abrupt change of the wind to west at 8pm, then back to SSW at 9pm is intriguing. (BTW: wind directions are plus or minus 5°.) Note how some possibly significant transient weather data is missed by WeatherUnderground because of their giving data for only every third hour. The wind direction for 7pm is basically meaningless because of the fact that the wind speed was so low. Winds often change direction frequently and erratically when their speeds are low. This is partly because the small perterbations in various directions are what remain when the sustained wind drops to near zero. The low wind has no "conviction." It's "indecisive." Other than the 8pm west wind, I do not see change much different than the changes for earlier and later days. If you're looking at the WeatherUnderground page for PDX on 11/24/71, you can select to view data for the entire week at the top of the data table.)(Also see attached.) However, the virtual dead calm from 4pm to 7pm is not present for days shortly before or after the 24th. What does that calm, followed by the abruptly higher speed and short-term west wind, imply for weather near Portland in the following hour? It looks like the 3 hours of calm was a calm before a weak windstorm, not a "calm before THE storm." But it may have just been a random situation of two 3-hourly observations in a row being the same. TROUTDALE AIRPORT From 8pm to 9pm to 9:17pm the base of the sky obscuring (overcast) cloud layer rose from 4000' to 6000' AGL. At 8pm no lower layer was reported. At 9pm a layer of "broken" clouds (over .5 coverage) developed at a little under 2200' AGL. It rose to 4000' AGL at 9:17, at which time a "scattered" layer had developed at 1500', the horizontal visibility had dropped to 7SM (from 10), and the wind direction had changed from 220° (SSW) to 270° (W). (wind directions ±5°) Over the period, wind speed had gone from 7kt to 21kt/24mph (9pm) to 12kt. Light showers at 8pm, very light at 9pm, and back to light at 9:17pm. In general, showers and vertical visibility diminished and wind increased for the intermediate observation. Then the wind direction changed and the horizontal visibility dropped a bit. The cloud cover heights increased, but a lower coverage layer appeared. A 2500' helo could have been above a cloud base at any time after 8pm. Generally mild weather at the mouth of the gorge, but the wind did pick up a bit after 8pm. THE DALLES Much of the info for 8pm (just below the line for Yakima "YKM") is illegible in the 8pm report. It appears that the wind was 9kt from 200°. At 9pm there was a "scattered" cloud layer at 1500' and a "broken" layer at an estimated 6000' (AGL). Visibility was 15SM. 6kt wind from 310°. No precipitation was reported for 9pm, rain having begun at 8:04 and ended at 8:06 (2 minutes of rain). At 9:17pm the scattered layer had risen to 2500' and the broken layer had fallen to 4000'. Light showers, wind 15kt (17mph) from 270° (W). The 9:17 report included "chance of light XC" (whatever that meant). For the entire day, the WeatherUnderground site indicates that The Dalles got only .08" of rain. In general, wind dropped and changed direction a bit at 9pm then went back some at 9:17. Cloud layer heights changed. Mild weather at this point in the gorge, except that the wind did go up a bit at 9:17. TOLEDO Toledo was not on the 9:17 report in image 1b, as far as I could tell. At 8pm its report said 3000' AGL overcast (complete cover), 12SM visibility, very light showers, 5kt from 190°, and rain had begun at 7:35. At 9pm the report was 3000' scattered, 3400' measured ceiling/overcast, the same visibility, no rain, 6kt (virtually the same) from the same 190°, and rain had ended at 8:05. Very mild conditions at both 8pm and 9pm a few miles north of Vancouver. A 2500' helo would have been under the cloud base. superb. more will follow later. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #30073 January 24, 2012 Quote After seeing so many fantastic claims by Knoss (now he knows the Unabomber, of all people) I had to do something OTHER than Cooper. There are a bunch of live renditions of The Who's Magic Bus on You Tube. This One has got to be The Best. It's not just the way they play it, although that's excellent, but it's THE PEOPLE DANCING. Most are trying to look cool. And all through the video there is one guy mostly dancing by himself (until near the end when he finally scores a tall blonde) but he looks just like...Dudley Moore, aka Arthur. No kidding. It's funny as hell. 1968...and yes, drummer Keith Moon was starting to go crazy by that time. The Who got banned from a couple of hotel chains because he would blow up the toilets. In a book about his life, the author wrote that once Moon had the car to the airport turn around and go back to their latest hotel on a pretext of forgetting something. When Moon got back and ran up to the room...he blew up the toilet. They were banned from that chain afterwards. I (think) it was the Holiday Inn. That was Moon. He had a famous incident where he dove into a swimming pool...not knowing it was empty. and the relevance to the DB Cooper case is what ? why dont you take your stuff back to the CNN Belief blog! Looks like you & Gayla were busy there ! http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/01/secret-life- of-a-d-b-cooper-hijacking-witness-includes- disappearing-to-a-nunnery/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #30074 January 24, 2012 QuoteThank You. I believe you have just validated what the woman wrote on the map about the weather - she told her story in 1971 and so did another member of her family, who lived not to far East of her location. What someone also altered the map of the landing zone putting the plane West of the Portland airport - which is NOT true per witness accounts. I have the co-pilots word on this also. The only witness that was important enough to warrant attention was "Janet" who saw the plane WEST of Portland. And the co-pilot, "said"? I'll take that as total confirmation of my position. Weather information just presented sounds accurate based on my records. A breath of fresh air amidst the Cooper Crew Garbage Barrage. You just keep proving my points! Dyslexia. senility, conspiracy, Dick and Jane readers, Captain Tommy Gunn, James Earl 'Patsy' Ray, Hemmelsbach, Bernie Rhodes, Maggie, McCoy.... "God! It's good to be King!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BobKnoss 0 #30075 January 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteAfter seeing so many fantastic claims by Knoss (now he knows the Unabomber, of all people) I had to do something OTHER than Cooper.. ...... Gee, that was my wish. I thought that if you could swallow the KC fable you might have some fun with a REAL biography that could actually be proven with honest FACTS! 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airtwardo 7 #30052 January 23, 2012 I could not fabricate this stuff. Quote ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #30053 January 23, 2012 Quote Quote ("Tongue-in-cheek analogy" for you Dick and Jane winners) Boy did you miss on all accounts with that one. Matt Arrows? You missed the Indians! Dick and Jane Award Winner of the year! Astounding! Oye, MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #30054 January 23, 2012 Quote I could not fabricate this stuff. Quote He should work for Dupont in their Nylon Fabric Debt, he weaves a good yarn! And as Nylon is a "made up" or "man made" material, well it seems a good fit! MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #30055 January 23, 2012 I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #30056 January 23, 2012 Quote I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... ....Ted Bundy....Green River Killer...Sarah Jane Olson (aka;Kathleen Ann Soliah)....Sasquatch......Dr. Seuss.Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #30057 January 23, 2012 Quote Quote I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... ....Ted Bundy....Green River Killer...Sarah Jane Olson (aka;Kathleen Ann Soliah)....Sasquatch......Dr. Seuss. The Yeti, Jersey Devil, Chuakacabra yada yada. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #30058 January 23, 2012 Quote Quote Quote I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... ....Ted Bundy....Green River Killer...Sarah Jane Olson (aka;Kathleen Ann Soliah)....Sasquatch......Dr. Seuss. The Yeti, Jersey Devil, Chuakacabra yada yada. Matt also possible that he shot J.R. ....was also belived to be Wilson from Home Improvement...code name "project fence line" Ask Mac. Ask Jerry!"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #30059 January 23, 2012 Quote Quote Quote I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... ....Ted Bundy....Green River Killer...Sarah Jane Olson (aka;Kathleen Ann Soliah)....Sasquatch......Dr. Seuss. The Yeti, Jersey Devil, Chuakacabra yada yada. Matt Don't forget Morgan Fairchild...WHOM he's slept with...yeah, THAT'S the ticket!! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #30060 January 23, 2012 Quote I could not fabricate this stuff. Quote Was it blotter or microdot Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #30061 January 23, 2012 Quote Quote I could not fabricate this stuff. Quote Was it blotter or microdot Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds?Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #30062 January 23, 2012 knoss recited his repertoire of relationshipes with known criminals and notorious individuals - stating: Quote I could not fabricate this stuff. Quote Airtwardo replied with a smiley and nothing could be more appropriate other than how very very this is. Unfortunately his interferences regarding Weber caused the FBI to ignore the best suspect they ever had - until DL Cooper came along. In 2010 the FBI agents involved in Marla's DL Cooper saga were NOT even born when Cooper made his jump in 1971. Now that one is able You guys are just now getting a little taste of what I have dealt with for at least 13 yrs.. Not sure when he first contacted me. I do know it was before I went public in 2000. Remember I did NOT have a computer or knowledge of the internet except thru work until Jan. of 2000. Most of the initial contacts with this man were by phone. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #30063 January 24, 2012 I acquired a good map of WA., but it has all of the new airports on it - I do not know if that is good or bad. I spoke with a Cooper Sleuth last night about The Dalles Airport because the Airport Duane pointed out from The Dalles was on the WA side of the river, So which is it and are there 2 airports as the individual suggested?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #30064 January 24, 2012 A poster from the WA/ID area lives near Pullman. I was wondering if he or anyone else in that area could check some County Record or provide me with the County seat of these areas. I need to contact them. Duane spoke about Pullman, Moscow and Palouse and Potlatch. This was when he mentioned Coure'd Alene. I do not know what the County Seat of Pullman is and the counties are not outlined on this map. I stumbled into a piece of information last night I did NOT know I had. Duane was married to Edna in California (so it states) on his disability questionaire. I have never been able to find a marriage certificate nor a maiden name for Edna. She might have known Duane L. Weber as Dusty. In 1956 he writes his mother from SanQuentin when his father died to let Edna attend in his stead. Therefore the family MUST have had some contact with her and the child - but his brother NEVER divulge this and all of the family records are gone except what John (Duane's brother who Duane did not see for the last 38 yrs of his life) sent me. The only surving blood relative John had was his niece...John took secrets to the grave with him. MOM and DAD kept very good records - there should have been something on this child. I was told by the ex - that Duane attempted to see his daughter in TX, but was not successful. Again this was a parallel to the story told by Clara to Max Gunther. It was the MAIN reason Max wanted to know were to find the ex-wife...when he was going to CA. I have always wished Grey could have found Max's files on this - someone threw away history. Note: Max and his wife had NO children. How all of this connect to OR and WA - I am NOT sure unless Edna was with him or from that area, but WHAT last name did Edna have. I have never been able acquire anymore information about the wife or the child. Supposedly the child was named Zona if Duane was NOT lieing.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #30065 January 24, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote I bet he knew the Zodiac killer too. And Jack the Ripper. And the Roswell aliens... ....Ted Bundy....Green River Killer...Sarah Jane Olson (aka;Kathleen Ann Soliah)....Sasquatch......Dr. Seuss. The Yeti, Jersey Devil, Chuakacabra yada yada. Matt Nope. None of those things. But I knew you'd get a hoot outta Theodore and Squeeky. Duane was BORING. Contact for Alice's verification is Terry Jackson, formerly of Bishop, Calif. Alice used to be his girlfriend. Terry is the son of my mother's best friend, and was a friend of Charlie Manson. Easy to check out by good super sleuths..... The Dick and Jane Winners need not try. It's a loosing proposition there. Vicki could handle it! She's good. Morgan Fairchild? Yah, right. Harry Morgan, maybe. Don't forget Morgan Fairchild...WHOM he's slept with...yeah, THAT'S the ticket!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #30066 January 24, 2012 Pullman and Palouse, WA are both in Whitman County, and the county seat is Colfax. Colfax is about 13 miles outside of Pullman. Moscow and Potlatch, ID are both in Latah County, and the county seat is Moscow. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #30067 January 24, 2012 Quote I acquired a good map of WA., but it has all of the new airports on it - I do not know if that is good or bad. I spoke with a Cooper Sleuth last night about The Dalles Airport because the Airport Duane pointed out from The Dalles was on the WA side of the river, So which is it and are there 2 airports as the individual suggested? Here is a good link for you Jo.... Save it http://wikimapia.org/#lat=45.61839&lon=-121.1675692&z=15&l=0&m=b Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #30068 January 24, 2012 This new map has things jumping out at me - but, I will not venture as to why other than I have seen them on other maps just not as VIVID as this map is. I have discussed Goldendale and the bar before..one to the point he spoke about Trout and Salmon and Bingen. In Washougal it only shows the one airport I have found, but Duane indicated another airport approx. North East - in the direction of the Washougal loop...evidently it is NO long there or it was just a private or forestry dirt strip. This map is marked and supplied by one of the "witnesses" who like others tried to tell the FBI Cooper survived. The plane was heard in the Mt. St Helens area between Hood Mountain and Cougar. She claims the plane flanked S.W. Mt. St. Helens, perhaps in an attempt to dump Cooper. She lives right under this path and said the wind was blowing to the EASTand from the West.. She and others in this accounting were on the ground that night when the plane came over and another report indicated a man in unappropriate wear walking along a road (at day break the next day)NOW GET TIHS (walking toward Swift Dam) from the East. There was a LOGGING bridge near this point and she thinks he crossed this bridge and followed the logging rail. Her drawing and witness accounting put Cooper going right back at them (were the FBI concentrated their search). She thinks Cooper went to the Chelatchie Mill area and from there it was a piece of Cake. The plane was also heard very low just over Heisson, which validates this woman's story and the point North of there were she lived. Remember Duane telling me about a jumping area near the airstrip North of 500. He pointed out a road on the other side of the strip that hid another road. Too tired to continue.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hominid 0 #30069 January 24, 2012 Please excuse the interruption, and the length of this post. There have been some claims that the weather was very bad as Flight 305 came through the Vancouver-Portland area. Some of this has been in relation to someone in a helicopter at unspecified locations and times, but at 2500'. Some has been about the Columbia River Gorge (which extends many miles to the east along the river starting a few miles east of Portland and Vancouver, and is basically the border between Oregon and Washington in that area). The claims are inconsistent with NWS data that has been reproduced at WeatherUnderground.com, but the weather data FBI agent Carr posted (then, Georger reposted) provides an opportunity to check about the claims using data that was actually produced by the predecesor to the National Weather Service on that night. The data includes reports of weather conditions for Portland International Airport (PDX), Troutdale airport, Toledo airport and The Dalles at 8pm (image 6b), 9pm (image 5b) and 9:17pm (part 1 of image 1b) PST. Troutdale is a little east of PDX practically at the mouth of the gorge. The Dalles is further east, actually in the gorge. Toledo is a few minutes north of the Vancouver plain. PORTLAND AIRPORT The maximum cloud coverage ("overcast") was at a base of 5000' for all three observations, from 8pm through 9:17pm. Over that time frame, the "broken" layer base rose from 2700' to 3100' to 3500' (all AGL). In other words, the layer that (with any lower layer) provided over .5 coverage was rising over the period. The sky was clearing below 3500' and a helo at 2500' AGL would have been below most of the cloud coverage the entire time. Over that same time sequence, an 8pm "scattered" layer at 1500' AGL was gone at 9pm, but was then back at 9:17. In place of that scattered layer, a few "CUFRA" at 1500' were reported at the intermediate time (when the scattered layer had disappeared). I believe from this that the CUFRA was the remains of the scattered layer of clouds rather than clouds that were ripped away from larger clouds by winds, or formed by the higher clouds. That is, the scattered clouds had shrunk to almost nothing and were identified as CUFRA because of their appearance. A 2500' helo would be above this base in clear air or scattered clouds. Also, the horizontal visibility (air "clear-ness") peaked at the intermediate observation time. It was 7 statute miles (SM) at 8pm, went up to 10SM at 9pm (when the low clouds were disappearing), then went back to 6SM at 9:17. Light showers were reported at each time. The existence of the data for 8pm and 9pm in the data Carr posted gives us an opportunity to fill in between the 7pm and 10pm data from WeatherUnderground. Combining data from the sources shows that the wind speed went from 4.6mph at 7pm, to 11.5mph at 8pm, to 12.67mph at 9pm, to 11.5mph at 10pm. The wind speed went abruptly up from nearly dead calm between 7pm and 8pm, then stayed approximately constant for the next two hours. [inline wnd24th.bmp] Similarly, the wind direction changed from 130° (SE) at 7pm (when there was barely any wind) to 270° (W) at 8pm to 190° (S) at 9pm and to 200° (SSW) at 10pm. The abrupt change of the wind to west at 8pm, then back to SSW at 9pm is intriguing. (BTW: wind directions are plus or minus 5°.) Note how some possibly significant transient weather data is missed by WeatherUnderground because of their giving data for only every third hour. The wind direction for 7pm is basically meaningless because of the fact that the wind speed was so low. Winds often change direction frequently and erratically when their speeds are low. This is partly because the small perterbations in various directions are what remain when the sustained wind drops to near zero. The low wind has no "conviction." It's "indecisive." Other than the 8pm west wind, I do not see change much different than the changes for earlier and later days. If you're looking at the WeatherUnderground page for PDX on 11/24/71, you can select to view data for the entire week at the top of the data table.)(Also see attached.) However, the virtual dead calm from 4pm to 7pm is not present for days shortly before or after the 24th. What does that calm, followed by the abruptly higher speed and short-term west wind, imply for weather near Portland in the following hour? It looks like the 3 hours of calm was a calm before a weak windstorm, not a "calm before THE storm." But it may have just been a random situation of two 3-hourly observations in a row being the same. TROUTDALE AIRPORT From 8pm to 9pm to 9:17pm the base of the sky obscuring (overcast) cloud layer rose from 4000' to 6000' AGL. At 8pm no lower layer was reported. At 9pm a layer of "broken" clouds (over .5 coverage) developed at a little under 2200' AGL. It rose to 4000' AGL at 9:17, at which time a "scattered" layer had developed at 1500', the horizontal visibility had dropped to 7SM (from 10), and the wind direction had changed from 220° (SSW) to 270° (W). (wind directions ±5°) Over the period, wind speed had gone from 7kt to 21kt/24mph (9pm) to 12kt. Light showers at 8pm, very light at 9pm, and back to light at 9:17pm. In general, showers and vertical visibility diminished and wind increased for the intermediate observation. Then the wind direction changed and the horizontal visibility dropped a bit. The cloud cover heights increased, but a lower coverage layer appeared. A 2500' helo could have been above a cloud base at any time after 8pm. Generally mild weather at the mouth of the gorge, but the wind did pick up a bit after 8pm. THE DALLES Much of the info for 8pm (just below the line for Yakima "YKM") is illegible in the 8pm report. It appears that the wind was 9kt from 200°. At 9pm there was a "scattered" cloud layer at 1500' and a "broken" layer at an estimated 6000' (AGL). Visibility was 15SM. 6kt wind from 310°. No precipitation was reported for 9pm, rain having begun at 8:04 and ended at 8:06 (2 minutes of rain). At 9:17pm the scattered layer had risen to 2500' and the broken layer had fallen to 4000'. Light showers, wind 15kt (17mph) from 270° (W). The 9:17 report included "chance of light XC" (whatever that meant). For the entire day, the WeatherUnderground site indicates that The Dalles got only .08" of rain. In general, wind dropped and changed direction a bit at 9pm then went back some at 9:17. Cloud layer heights changed. Mild weather at this point in the gorge, except that the wind did go up a bit at 9:17. TOLEDO Toledo was not on the 9:17 report in image 1b, as far as I could tell. At 8pm its report said 3000' AGL overcast (complete cover), 12SM visibility, very light showers, 5kt from 190°, and rain had begun at 7:35. At 9pm the report was 3000' scattered, 3400' measured ceiling/overcast, the same visibility, no rain, 6kt (virtually the same) from the same 190°, and rain had ended at 8:05. Very mild conditions at both 8pm and 9pm a few miles north of Vancouver. A 2500' helo would have been under the cloud base. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #30070 January 24, 2012 Thank You. I believe you have just validated what the woman wrote on the map about the weather - she told her story in 1971 and so did another member of her family, who lived not to far East of her location. What someone also altered the map of the landing zone putting the plane West of the Portland airport - which is NOT true per witness accounts. I have the co-pilots word on this also. Someone used their own interpertation of the times and places on the map - moving minutes and moving the flight West path and it's curves lower. Lift them back up where they belong and the path corresponds exactly with the sounds and the visuals (what they could see withing the layers of the clouds) given by many witnesses - but the FBI did NOT even make notes. I was told by Himmelsbach taking notes intimidates a witness and the agent would have made his notes after returning to his vehicle. Bull, that is just an excuse for a botched investigation! These agents were running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Weird - and not funny...until you have actually seen that chicken running with it head cut off - DON'T laugh! It is freaky! Then I had to pluck the feathers after scalding water was poured over the carcass - that is a horrible smell. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #30071 January 24, 2012 Easy to check out by good super sleuths..... Quote Ya don't have to waste time and 'check out' a shit sandwich by takin' a bite...the smell alone is enough to tell most reasonable people it belongs in the trash. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #30072 January 24, 2012 QuotePlease excuse the interruption, and the length of this post. There have been some claims that the weather was very bad as Flight 305 came through the Vancouver-Portland area. Some of this has been in relation to someone in a helicopter at unspecified locations and times, but at 2500'. Some has been about the Columbia River Gorge (which extends many miles to the east along the river starting a few miles east of Portland and Vancouver, and is basically the border between Oregon and Washington in that area). The claims are inconsistent with NWS data that has been reproduced at WeatherUnderground.com, but the weather data FBI agent Carr posted (then, Georger reposted) provides an opportunity to check about the claims using data that was actually produced by the predecesor to the National Weather Service on that night. The data includes reports of weather conditions for Portland International Airport (PDX), Troutdale airport, Toledo airport and The Dalles at 8pm (image 6b), 9pm (image 5b) and 9:17pm (part 1 of image 1b) PST. Troutdale is a little east of PDX practically at the mouth of the gorge. The Dalles is further east, actually in the gorge. Toledo is a few minutes north of the Vancouver plain. PORTLAND AIRPORT The maximum cloud coverage ("overcast") was at a base of 5000' for all three observations, from 8pm through 9:17pm. Over that time frame, the "broken" layer base rose from 2700' to 3100' to 3500' (all AGL). In other words, the layer that (with any lower layer) provided over .5 coverage was rising over the period. The sky was clearing below 3500' and a helo at 2500' AGL would have been below most of the cloud coverage the entire time. Over that same time sequence, an 8pm "scattered" layer at 1500' AGL was gone at 9pm, but was then back at 9:17. In place of that scattered layer, a few "CUFRA" at 1500' were reported at the intermediate time (when the scattered layer had disappeared). I believe from this that the CUFRA was the remains of the scattered layer of clouds rather than clouds that were ripped away from larger clouds by winds, or formed by the higher clouds. That is, the scattered clouds had shrunk to almost nothing and were identified as CUFRA because of their appearance. A 2500' helo would be above this base in clear air or scattered clouds. Also, the horizontal visibility (air "clear-ness") peaked at the intermediate observation time. It was 7 statute miles (SM) at 8pm, went up to 10SM at 9pm (when the low clouds were disappearing), then went back to 6SM at 9:17. Light showers were reported at each time. The existence of the data for 8pm and 9pm in the data Carr posted gives us an opportunity to fill in between the 7pm and 10pm data from WeatherUnderground. Combining data from the sources shows that the wind speed went from 4.6mph at 7pm, to 11.5mph at 8pm, to 12.67mph at 9pm, to 11.5mph at 10pm. The wind speed went abruptly up from nearly dead calm between 7pm and 8pm, then stayed approximately constant for the next two hours. Similarly, the wind direction changed from 130° (SE) at 7pm (when there was barely any wind) to 270° (W) at 8pm to 190° (S) at 9pm and to 200° (SSW) at 10pm. The abrupt change of the wind to west at 8pm, then back to SSW at 9pm is intriguing. (BTW: wind directions are plus or minus 5°.) Note how some possibly significant transient weather data is missed by WeatherUnderground because of their giving data for only every third hour. The wind direction for 7pm is basically meaningless because of the fact that the wind speed was so low. Winds often change direction frequently and erratically when their speeds are low. This is partly because the small perterbations in various directions are what remain when the sustained wind drops to near zero. The low wind has no "conviction." It's "indecisive." Other than the 8pm west wind, I do not see change much different than the changes for earlier and later days. If you're looking at the WeatherUnderground page for PDX on 11/24/71, you can select to view data for the entire week at the top of the data table.)(Also see attached.) However, the virtual dead calm from 4pm to 7pm is not present for days shortly before or after the 24th. What does that calm, followed by the abruptly higher speed and short-term west wind, imply for weather near Portland in the following hour? It looks like the 3 hours of calm was a calm before a weak windstorm, not a "calm before THE storm." But it may have just been a random situation of two 3-hourly observations in a row being the same. TROUTDALE AIRPORT From 8pm to 9pm to 9:17pm the base of the sky obscuring (overcast) cloud layer rose from 4000' to 6000' AGL. At 8pm no lower layer was reported. At 9pm a layer of "broken" clouds (over .5 coverage) developed at a little under 2200' AGL. It rose to 4000' AGL at 9:17, at which time a "scattered" layer had developed at 1500', the horizontal visibility had dropped to 7SM (from 10), and the wind direction had changed from 220° (SSW) to 270° (W). (wind directions ±5°) Over the period, wind speed had gone from 7kt to 21kt/24mph (9pm) to 12kt. Light showers at 8pm, very light at 9pm, and back to light at 9:17pm. In general, showers and vertical visibility diminished and wind increased for the intermediate observation. Then the wind direction changed and the horizontal visibility dropped a bit. The cloud cover heights increased, but a lower coverage layer appeared. A 2500' helo could have been above a cloud base at any time after 8pm. Generally mild weather at the mouth of the gorge, but the wind did pick up a bit after 8pm. THE DALLES Much of the info for 8pm (just below the line for Yakima "YKM") is illegible in the 8pm report. It appears that the wind was 9kt from 200°. At 9pm there was a "scattered" cloud layer at 1500' and a "broken" layer at an estimated 6000' (AGL). Visibility was 15SM. 6kt wind from 310°. No precipitation was reported for 9pm, rain having begun at 8:04 and ended at 8:06 (2 minutes of rain). At 9:17pm the scattered layer had risen to 2500' and the broken layer had fallen to 4000'. Light showers, wind 15kt (17mph) from 270° (W). The 9:17 report included "chance of light XC" (whatever that meant). For the entire day, the WeatherUnderground site indicates that The Dalles got only .08" of rain. In general, wind dropped and changed direction a bit at 9pm then went back some at 9:17. Cloud layer heights changed. Mild weather at this point in the gorge, except that the wind did go up a bit at 9:17. TOLEDO Toledo was not on the 9:17 report in image 1b, as far as I could tell. At 8pm its report said 3000' AGL overcast (complete cover), 12SM visibility, very light showers, 5kt from 190°, and rain had begun at 7:35. At 9pm the report was 3000' scattered, 3400' measured ceiling/overcast, the same visibility, no rain, 6kt (virtually the same) from the same 190°, and rain had ended at 8:05. Very mild conditions at both 8pm and 9pm a few miles north of Vancouver. A 2500' helo would have been under the cloud base. superb. more will follow later. Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #30073 January 24, 2012 Quote After seeing so many fantastic claims by Knoss (now he knows the Unabomber, of all people) I had to do something OTHER than Cooper. There are a bunch of live renditions of The Who's Magic Bus on You Tube. This One has got to be The Best. It's not just the way they play it, although that's excellent, but it's THE PEOPLE DANCING. Most are trying to look cool. And all through the video there is one guy mostly dancing by himself (until near the end when he finally scores a tall blonde) but he looks just like...Dudley Moore, aka Arthur. No kidding. It's funny as hell. 1968...and yes, drummer Keith Moon was starting to go crazy by that time. The Who got banned from a couple of hotel chains because he would blow up the toilets. In a book about his life, the author wrote that once Moon had the car to the airport turn around and go back to their latest hotel on a pretext of forgetting something. When Moon got back and ran up to the room...he blew up the toilet. They were banned from that chain afterwards. I (think) it was the Holiday Inn. That was Moon. He had a famous incident where he dove into a swimming pool...not knowing it was empty. and the relevance to the DB Cooper case is what ? why dont you take your stuff back to the CNN Belief blog! Looks like you & Gayla were busy there ! http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/01/secret-life- of-a-d-b-cooper-hijacking-witness-includes- disappearing-to-a-nunnery/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #30074 January 24, 2012 QuoteThank You. I believe you have just validated what the woman wrote on the map about the weather - she told her story in 1971 and so did another member of her family, who lived not to far East of her location. What someone also altered the map of the landing zone putting the plane West of the Portland airport - which is NOT true per witness accounts. I have the co-pilots word on this also. The only witness that was important enough to warrant attention was "Janet" who saw the plane WEST of Portland. And the co-pilot, "said"? I'll take that as total confirmation of my position. Weather information just presented sounds accurate based on my records. A breath of fresh air amidst the Cooper Crew Garbage Barrage. You just keep proving my points! Dyslexia. senility, conspiracy, Dick and Jane readers, Captain Tommy Gunn, James Earl 'Patsy' Ray, Hemmelsbach, Bernie Rhodes, Maggie, McCoy.... "God! It's good to be King!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #30075 January 24, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteAfter seeing so many fantastic claims by Knoss (now he knows the Unabomber, of all people) I had to do something OTHER than Cooper.. ...... Gee, that was my wish. I thought that if you could swallow the KC fable you might have some fun with a REAL biography that could actually be proven with honest FACTS! You know, do something constructive other than beat that poor dead nag for the Crew. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1198 1199 1200 1201 1202 1203 1204 1205 1206 1207 1208 Next Page 1203 of 2570 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 50 50 Go To Topic Listing
