DB Cooper

[georger 244]

Well, I am corrected by a kind expert in such
matters. Rather than me sticking my foot back in
my mouth deeper, let me simply post the clarification
just sent to me -

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go to http://news.google.com/

click on the triangle on the right of the search box

you get the advanced search

in "Date added to Google News"
you can select "in archive" or "selected dates"

so you can get everything you got before.

just different method to getting the search

they just stopped adding stuff last year.


That should clear things up. Thanks Snow!
You da man.

[Robert99 50]

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One of my opinions about DZ is that I believe some folks here have no real desire to solve the case.

Mr. Blevins, That is an excellent observation. However, I strongly suspect that some people here only desire to sell books.

You have claimed numerous times that the first two editions of "Blast" almost drove Adventure Books into bankruptcy. But I bet you have already started thinking about a fourth edition.

[BobKnoss 0]

Somebody is posting more false crap about DZ posters. Really hitting into Blevins. Best you get on it and get it cleared up, Robert. This was Feb. 7-15, 2012 circa postings. This was not me. Blevins has other detractors that actually give a hoot. Farf has one there? Geestman? Geoffrey. This junk is left field.

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ROBERT99: You say
"Mr. Blevins, That is an excellent observation. However, I strongly suspect that some people here only desire to sell books.

You have claimed numerous times that the first two editions of "Blast" almost drove Adventure Books into bankruptcy. But I bet you have already started thinking about a fourth edition."

REPLY: Robert you have really hit the nail on the head. Blevins promised us to pull his book if KC was proved to not be a suspect. I pointed out to Blevins that there are three facts that prove KC was not DB. The eye color, the skin color, and his height. In other words, DB had brown eyes and not blue, DB had an olive skin color and not a white color, and finally KC was Tooooo short at 5ft 8in and no where near DB at 6ft tall.
Now we see he is trying to sell a new addition. I hope it is avoided by the book buyers like the plague that it is and hopefully becomes a big loss of income for Blevins. Possibly the real DB will publish his book that tells the whole revenge plan of the cape ("The Grudge and the Revenge" the novel about DB Cooper).

Bob
sailshaw

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put up some thing of fact.

Matt

Everything I say is as true as I can make it. Everything you say is a flame. End of responses to Crew Flamers as Quade suggests. CO2 on you!

Every thing you say (in regards to "Cooper" and your involvement) is a fabrication.

Actually, I do think Quade was referencing us responding to you as a troll.
It would be nice to see you banned so we can actually read, and view, factual evidence, not made up crap.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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........ At least I have a little evidence to present, she has NONE.

Ha-ha! YOU HAVE NO evidence. You have rumors and misinformation. Radacyzak is the only one I know still holding hard evidence. They trashed the rest, or hid it in the evidence room boxes.

You are like the Magician we watched in Colorado once. Before he came on the place started to stink. He did his whole act as the stink got worse. At the end he pulled a very mad skunk out of this top hat. That is your evidence, Sir. If it looks like, walks like, smells like, and associates with other debunked skunks,.......... It is not a bunny wabbit and you can tell that when you open the door. Nobody liked the performance, but everyone remembers it.

Pot meet Kettle.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[377 22]

I just cant see any real harm in serial versions of BLAST. Who knows, some old lady may read BLAST 3 and recall a renter from 1971 who matches the DBC description, disappeared and never picked up his belongings. We are not solving the crime. We need new information and new sources. New publications reach new audiences.

Blevins has more last forum appearances and last books than Cher has had last concerts. I don't hold it against him. A guy is entitled to change his mind, right?

Sheridan Peterson and Ted Braden are still worth a further look. I hope Bruce develops more info on both.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[BobKnoss 0]

See Dick run.

[377 22]

Come on Bob. Making fun of mentally retarded children is beneath you.

Clean it up. You surely can make the point some other way.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Robert99 50]

Blevins, Just one comment about the "dark suntan" that was supposedly acquired hanging out at the beach in Japan during layovers.

In that day and age, suntans were basically a summer thing. They had a tendency to disappear during the fall and winter.

If KC flew the northern NWA routes, which seems likely, he probably didn't have much opportunity to work on that suntan during the fall and winter due to shorter days (less sunshine) and, I understand, Japan gets quite chilly during the fall and winter (at least in the areas that NWA would be serving).

In addition, I think most people can distinguish between a "suntan" and an "olive" complexion.

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Blevins, Just one comment about the "dark suntan" that was supposedly acquired hanging out at the beach in Japan during layovers.

In that day and age, suntans were basically a summer thing. They had a tendency to disappear during the fall and winter.

If KC flew the northern NWA routes, which seems likely, he probably didn't have much opportunity to work on that suntan during the fall and winter due to shorter days (less sunshine) and, I understand, Japan gets quite chilly during the fall and winter (at least in the areas that NWA would be serving).

In addition, I think most people can distinguish between a "suntan" and an "olive" complexion.

Well, I'm sitting at the dining table with Helen Jones and her daughter for ten hours on a Saturday. I asked them sort of casually about KC's complexion. The mother pipes up with 'he was really tanned' and the daughter says 'olive'. I was surprised to say the least.

I'm not focusing on the descriptions TOO much. I mean if Kenny was blond haired and six foot six, I would. You can gather all the descriptions you want, and all the circumstantial evidence you wish, but in the end it comes down to a direct witness. Ever watch those cop shows and the detective will say, 'Someone out there knows SOMETHING...' It's kind of like that. In this case it's Geestman, for the most part, and Jones, and a few others. In order to really discover the truth one way or another on KC, these people must be questioned by the Seattle FBI, IMHO.

Sometimes things are just as simple as they appear. One example is this: Bernie and Margaret Geestman, in their first interviews regarding KC and the hijacking, immediately began pointing to each other as being involved in the hijacking. WTF is that, I thought. No kidding. They lived 350 miles apart and hadn't had contact with each other in almost 15 years. Margie did not have a phone on her ranch in Twisp, either. Or a cell. I had to buy her one so History Channel could speak to her. In any case, I definitely hit a nerve with those two, and that was way back in the beginning of the investigation on KC. Something was up with these two. Then when the other things began to come out...Bernie's sister ID'ing the tie tac and saying she thought Kenny was the guy all along, the loan, the house, missing over the time of the crime, etc. well, you can see where this is going.

Sticking to the complexion matter, were KC's ancestors from Scandinavia? Do Eskimos have sun tans or is it genetic?

[MarkBennett 5]

Robert,
You have a lot of facts there that lead one to believe SOMETHING happened around Thanksgiving 1971 with KC and Bernie. Both of them missing that weekend, KC suddenly coming into money and Bernie hiding his whereabouts means something. However, if we were to discover $200,000 were stolen from a bank that weekend and never reported, your story could also be used to point to that robbery.

Still, that is circumstantial evidence that could point to KC being Cooper.

If acting differently is circumstantial evidence, then you'd have to say the behavior of Marla's uncles was out of the normal and could indicate SOMETHING. One of them disappeared and moved out of the United States on short notice, cut themselves off from their families and didn't even return for their mother's funeral.

Again, that doesn't mean they were involved in the hijacking -- but, like KC and Bernie -- their behavior was suspicious.

[Robert99 50]

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Robert,
You have a lot of facts there that lead one to believe SOMETHING happened around Thanksgiving 1971 with KC and Bernie. Both of them missing that weekend, KC suddenly coming into money and Bernie hiding his whereabouts means something. However, if we were to discover $200,000 were stolen from a bank that weekend and never reported, your story could also be used to point to that robbery.

Still, that is circumstantial evidence that could point to KC being Cooper.

If acting differently is circumstantial evidence, then you'd have to say the behavior of Marla's uncles was out of the normal and could indicate SOMETHING. One of them disappeared and moved out of the United States on short notice, cut themselves off from their families and didn't even return for their mother's funeral.

Again, that doesn't mean they were involved in the hijacking -- but, like KC and Bernie -- their behavior was suspicious.

Perhaps my actions were also suspicious to some that Thanksgiving weekend. I got off an airliner on the evening of November 24, 1971, rented a car, drove across a good size river, and didn't come back until the following Sunday afternoon.

But I wasn't the hijacker. In fact, the hijacking had already taken place before I got on the ground. Also, I was in the midwest and was headed to a family gathering for Thanksgiving.

[Farflung 0]

I don’t understand all this Bernie is a criminal because ‘I caught him in a lie’ stuff.

There is more than enough creepy behavior to go around for this flock of losers. IF Kenny was sooooo broke that he had to dig ditches to make ends meet….. then what sort of moron would approach him for a loan for the down payment on a house? Moron or crook or fairy tale weaver that is. I mean really, who does this? Oh, you have been on strike and don’t have any money…. ummm…. yeah…. ahhh…. Could you loan me some money for a house? I ask because I’m an idiot. Yeah, that story held water.

IF this story is true, then the person who asked for the loan KNEW that Kenny came into some money from nefarious means and is as dirty and filthy as anyone involved. What a cretin. She should be exposed as an accessory after the fact and scorned with ridicule. I certainly would never associate with such a piece of human garbage or social bottom feeder. What a piece of work. Publish her phone number, address and photo so descent people can know what to avoid. I’m getting sick just thinking about what it must have been like talking to such a monster. Good thing I just use a computer and am old and don’t do anything. Gosh.

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Blevins, Just one comment about the "dark suntan" that was supposedly acquired hanging out at the beach in Japan during layovers.

In that day and age, suntans were basically a summer thing. They had a tendency to disappear during the fall and winter.

If KC flew the northern NWA routes, which seems likely, he probably didn't have much opportunity to work on that suntan during the fall and winter due to shorter days (less sunshine) and, I understand, Japan gets quite chilly during the fall and winter (at least in the areas that NWA would be serving).

In addition, I think most people can distinguish between a "suntan" and an "olive" complexion.

Olive complexion genetic vs sun tan - totally different.

Moreover, KC was Scandinavian-Germanic. Takes
more time in sun to give that skin a tan and it
loses quickly in any event. Melanin production, is
genetic once again. No way out. Closed genetic book.

[georger 244]

Well, I'm sitting at the dining table with Helen Jones and her daughter for ten hours on a Saturday. I asked them sort of casually about KC's complexion. The mother pipes up with 'he was really tanned' and the daughter says 'olive'. I was surprised to say the least.

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Probably North Germany, maybe Denmark on Christiansen. I would have to ask his brother Lyle.

Eskimos? They are classified as Native Americans.
Probably genetic. The Inuit and others were thought
to have originated in Siberia. I think some of them
look Mongolian.

You are wrong and out of your element. Eskimows
are NOT classifieds as Native Americans or Amerinds.
NOT a genetically diagnostic catagory. Different
haplogroups and time bases - much to the surprise
and disappointment of the Clovis Group's hopes &
expectation ... turns out to have been more
complicated than a single uni-directional migration!
I can say this now 50 years 'after' having been
schooled in the Clovis doctrine myself - Ive lived
long enough to see things come full circle.

what you call Eskimos break down to:

Overall: 643 haplotypes in 10 populations
Greenland [Inuit] (70 haplotypes)
Aasiaat, Greenland [Inuit] (42 haplotypes)
Maniitsoq, Greenland [Inuit] (34 haplotypes)
Nuuk, Greenland [Inuit] (50 haplotypes)
Narsaq, Greenland [Inuit] (40 haplotypes)
Ilulissat, Greenland [Inuit] (40 haplotypes)
Tasiilaq, Greenland [Inuit] (41 haplotypes)
Nanortalik, Greenland [Inuit] (25 haplotypes)
Northern Alaska, United States [Inupiat] (151 haplotypes)
Western Alaska [Yupik] (150 haplotypes)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC137755
9/pdf/9792876.pdf

see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_indige
nous_peoples_of_the_Americas

The Na-Dené, Inuit and Indigenous Alaskan
populations exhibit haplogroup Q (Y-DNA); however,
they are distinct from other indigenous Amerindians
with ...This haplogroup has many diverse haplotypes
despite its low frequency .... at a rate of 25-50%,
and North American Eskimo–Aleut populations at
about 46%.

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Robert,
You have a lot of facts there that lead one to believe SOMETHING happened around Thanksgiving 1971 with KC and Bernie. Both of them missing that weekend, KC suddenly coming into money and Bernie hiding his whereabouts means something. However, if we were to discover $200,000 were stolen from a bank that weekend and never reported, your story could also be used to point to that robbery.

Still, that is circumstantial evidence that could point to KC being Cooper.

If acting differently is circumstantial evidence, then you'd have to say the behavior of Marla's uncles was out of the normal and could indicate SOMETHING. One of them disappeared and moved out of the United States on short notice, cut themselves off from their families and didn't even return for their mother's funeral.

Again, that doesn't mean they were involved in the hijacking -- but, like KC and Bernie -- their behavior was suspicious.

Perhaps my actions were also suspicious to some that Thanksgiving weekend. I got off an airliner on the evening of November 24, 1971, rented a car, drove across a good size river, and didn't come back until the following Sunday afternoon.

But I wasn't the hijacker. In fact, the hijacking had already taken place before I got on the ground. Also, I was in the midwest and was headed to a family gathering for Thanksgiving.

My actions that night were 100% suspicious.
I took the mother of my children out to a movie
and dinner, then ice cream, then a ride to Moonlight
Hill, then back to our quonset hut in married student
housing - and we werent even married yet!

[georger 244]

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Georger's question: Would Lyle Christiansen be up to a DNA/and or blood test. Yes. I have asked him, and he would do it. I can't set it up. I don't have the funds for it.

Damn. I was affraid you would say that!

377 are you in on this or what! ?

Before I quote numbers lets see where 377
comes in on this -

How close to Chicago (Skokie) is Lyle - how long
a drive for him?

I want blood taken, not just a mouth swab. Lyle
would have to sign off on this ...

[georger 244]

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Georger, you are a good example of someone who doesn't WANT the case solved. Let me ask you this? What do you have against the Seattle FBI finally checking out the Christiansen story? You have nothing to lose. I have MUCH to lose, especially if it is proven that KC was not the hijacker. Yet, you seem to be more afraid of the FBI investigating Christiansen than me. I can actually HANDLE the truth. Why can't you?

Your pithy comments notwithstanding...

total nonsense ... I have always backed the FBI
checking KC out - or anyone for that matter.
Why would I not be? Where do you get this stuff
from? Its time to get real here Robert.

[edit] Im waiting . . . why does it always go silent
when things get real?

tap tap tapping my foot .... waiting for a reply ...

377? ...................

waiting . . .

going to make coffee . . .

still waiting . . .

Earth to Blevins ?

[edit 1:35am] Have PM'd 377 to see if he is
interested in helping get Lyle C dna tested,
because 377 has previously said he would be
wiling to help in dna testing in the Cooper case.

still waiting for any reply from anyone -

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Karl was an expert in refrigeration. Specialised
in Kelvinators, but had a "large" Cooper comic
collection. Moreover he came from Franco-Alberta.
Geof Gray probably interviewed him, on Tom's
propeller theory. All just rumors.

Do you have alligators in your yard?

Very surprise you know who has NOT come back to engarnish his story about Karl and to explain who and what karl was.

Any "cheap"senior developments in N. Georgia, lower TN, Northern tip of S. Carolian along the Georgia state line . Everything I find is over 189K plus the associations fees. Seems like the real estate values have NOT taken a beating in those area as they have in my area.

If this surgery was successful enough to allow me to get moved - I am OUT of FLA. Should have moved when Jim died, but lingered too long and the value of the house is in the toilet and the homeowners insurance was $3200, plus last yr. The home is currently 13 yrs old - that is a BAD sign, but my health and conditions were not allowing me to move forward in the last 3 yrs.

Do NOT want to spend what is left of my life - taking care of a yard, but I want about 1500 sq ft - prefer a cottage/cabin type with a garage. Do NOT like to share walls - so condos and duplexes are out of the question. Also do NOT want to be in an area with LOT of kids.
Perfer a Senior complex.

Don't want to sell the house and not have a clue where I am going. I am attached to my "things" so I have to find a a home on the other end. The family has been NO help. Moving out of FL because of the cost and the HEAT & SUN - I can't take it anymore.

Haven't found anything I can affored in the computer searches I did.. Snowmman - HELP! Rescue me! I need to find a new home. I know I am supposed to know all of this being a retired realtor, but I have been out of since 2004 and LOTS of things have change...

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Farflung 0]

RobertMBlevins admits:

“I don't know what to tell you about Bernie's sister and the loan. She didn't know KC very well…”

Well there you go…… her ‘testimony’ is worth bupkis since she had no idea of his spending or savings (WTF is that?) habits were and the loan is a non-issue. She did not know if he was broke, in fact she somehow had the idea that he had money thus asked for a loan.

What is strange is not the loan, but the fact that he made one to a person that did not know him very well. That’s just stoopid. Stoooooopid with extra dumbness and stuff.

Bernie was an alleged ‘accomplice’ but had no money to loan to his own sister? I say double bupkis with obvious on top. This needs a fork stuck in it because it sucks as a story. Bernie should have made the loan from his ‘cut’ from being an accomplice in the Airstream provided for the purpose of NOT being a haven for sodomy or butseks. At least according to RobertMBlevins, who tracked the use of Bernie’s penis since 1972.

Have I got this latest story straight?

[georger 244]

Lyle Christiansen lives in Morris, Minnesota. He's in the phone book. PM me and I'll give you his email address. But only the FBI has the current DNA profile from the tie, such as it is.

The road to proving or disproving Christiansen doesn't mean DNA. The sample the FBI is using is suspect at best. Even THEY can't say it's valid for sure, although they claim it can eliminate suspects. This has to do with the amount and quality of the sample, I believe. The partial profile cannot confirm, but it CAN eliminate, supposedly.

The road to the truth about Christiansen is all about the witnesses. Either Bernie was involved, or he wasn't. I think there's enough evidence now, and enough people have gone on the record, to warrant a look from the Seattle office. I have to prepare that package for them soon, I know this. The heck with it, I will send them everything we have in as organized a fashion as I can, and they can decide what to do with it, if anything. That's really all I can do. I'm just one guy.

All I can address with any authority is testing Lyle C.

Let me make several calls tomorrow and I will get
back to you.

[Farflung 0]

I didn’t suggest anything about sex regarding what Bernie’s sister association was with the loan. Just that it is stupid for either of them to have engaged in the transaction. Get it? (Would YOU have made such a loan?)

Now the chance that Bernie and Kenny were having buttseks in the Airstream (not that there is anything wrong with that) rather than hijacking Flight 305 is a distinct possibility. You have made numerous statements about the location and disposition of Bernie’s penis many times. You are a self proclaimed expert on this subject and I grant you that without the burden of photographs or testimony, both of which you must possess. The release (Bernie’s dink photos) remains a mystery, but I understand your hesitance.

Why would Kenny loan someone $5,000 who he barely knew, regardless the source of the money? Was Kenny a monster tard and if so, how could he have pulled off this crime? They simply don’t live together.

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'Why would Kenny loan someone $5,000 who he barely knew, regardless the source of the money?'

I'm not going there. I can think of a couple of good reasons, but this would be in the realm of speculation. I think the principals involved should answer these questions.

Be creative Robt! Of course you can go there, but
you wont because one of the directions is clear -
it hinges on Kenny and Bernie having a 'close',
relationship. It's all in the family. That's the
"reason". It confirms a relationship of a personal
kind, which closes the door on your theory they were
hijackers vs lovers (or involved in other business of
a close personal serious kind) Maybe they were drug
dealers?.

Bernie is a tightwad or not in a position to makre
such a loan. His sister knows not to ask or she did
ask and just didnt tell you? Kenny is open and
sympathetic, and dependent, and part of the family.
Bernie and Kenny's relationship is stable as a rock
(in a trailer). If the sister defaults all Kenny has to
do is complain to, Bernie, then Bernie will likely
come through or make some accomodation.
Everyone is protected. Even if the sister defaults and
Bernie defaults also, Kenny can take it out on
Bernie - personally. It's all in the family. (No more
Ju Ju's ay bedtime for you Bernie!)

It isnt that these people are idiots. It's that they
have an actual relationship which is strong enough
to have avenues of recourse built in. And stability -
nobody is going anywhere. This is a serious
relationship of some kind.

That the basis for the loan, as I see it.

And its probably even stronger than that! You didnt
ask the right questions because if you had they
might all have thrown you out on your ear. Some
things they keep private while spinning good yarns
in other directions, to an outsider. An outsider is
exactly what you are to these people!

If he made the loan then there was a basis for the
loan - pure and simple.

You can bet Bernie and Kenny talked it over.

You can bet Kenny asked Bernie "is it safe to make
this loan, will you back it up with something"? We
dont even know if Bernie was in a position to make
such a loan, but he did have a relationship with the
loan giver.

Did you ever just ask any of these people: "were
Kenny and Bernie lovers?"

Your reluctance to even engage this issue is a
serious flaw in your whole methodology, as I see
this.