DB Cooper

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Because the hijacker was so quick
to toss away the tie, I've
always wondered if he just borrowed
it from someone. The thought being
this: If it could not be traced to him,
perhaps he would have risked discarding
it.

I wonder who would lend him a tie?
(*smiles*)

I am just awful sometimes, I admit it.

Sorry about messing up the format. Not intentional.
Back to Criminology 101. These were what is known in the trade as "drops" or "plants". These apparently innocent items left behind are intentionally left to steer the investigation in a way the perpetrator wishes. The narrow black tie was to indicate a BYU student prank on Thanksgiving holiday vacation. The pin was to involve McCoy and 'da boys'. McCoy couldn't explain the pin and had to swap it out. The FBI supervisor got the job, so Mac bought a tie clasp new, himself, of a specific design to change the drop back to Weber. These are the facts as they happened, not idle speculation about phony evidence.

[georger 247]

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Because the hijacker was so quick
to toss away the tie, I've
always wondered if he just borrowed
it from someone. The thought being
this: If it could not be traced to him,
perhaps he would have risked discarding
it.

I wonder who would lend him a tie?
(*smiles*)

I am just awful sometimes, I admit it.

Sorry about messing up the format. Not intentional.
Back to Criminology 101. These were what is known in the trade as "drops" or "plants". These apparently innocent items left behind are intentionally left to steer the investigation in a way the perpetrator wishes. The narrow black tie was to indicate a BYU student prank on Thanksgiving holiday vacation. The pin was to involve McCoy and 'da boys'. McCoy couldn't explain the pin and had to swap it out. The FBI supervisor got the job, so Mac bought a tie clasp new, himself, of a specific design to change the drop back to Weber. These are the facts as they happened, not idle speculation about phony evidence.

Moe quatrains from Knosstradamus aka Col Sanders.

[BobKnoss 0]

I will take that as a compliment. Thank you, kind Crewbie. Wish I could bring back that super KC fried chicken recipe. The music died when they changed that, Coca-Cola, and Mac's pin.

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Because the hijacker was so quick
to toss away the tie, I've
always wondered if he just borrowed
it from someone. The thought being
this: If it could not be traced to him,
perhaps he would have risked discarding
it.

I wonder who would lend him a tie?
(*smiles*)

I am just awful sometimes, I admit it.

Sorry about messing up the format. Not intentional.
Back to Criminology 101. These were what is known in the trade as "drops" or "plants". These apparently innocent items left behind are intentionally left to steer the investigation in a way the perpetrator wishes. The narrow black tie was to indicate a BYU student prank on Thanksgiving holiday vacation. The pin was to involve McCoy and 'da boys'. McCoy couldn't explain the pin and had to swap it out. The FBI supervisor got the job, so Mac bought a tie clasp new, himself, of a specific design to change the drop back to Weber. These are the facts as they happened, not idle speculation about phony evidence.

Moe quatrains from Knosstradamus aka Col Sanders.

I really like his "in the trade" comment.

Such a man of mystery huh?

Laughable.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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Because the hijacker was so quick
to toss away the tie, I've
always wondered if he just borrowed
it from someone. The thought being
this: If it could not be traced to him,
perhaps he would have risked discarding
it.

I wonder who would lend him a tie?
(*smiles*)

I am just awful sometimes, I admit it.

Sorry about messing up the format. Not intentional.
Back to Criminology 101. These were what is known in the trade as "drops" or "plants". These apparently innocent items left behind are intentionally left to steer the investigation in a way the perpetrator wishes. The narrow black tie was to indicate a BYU student prank on Thanksgiving holiday vacation. The pin was to involve McCoy and 'da boys'. McCoy couldn't explain the pin and had to swap it out. The FBI supervisor got the job, so Mac bought a tie clasp new, himself, of a specific design to change the drop back to Weber. These are the facts as they happened, not idle speculation about phony evidence.

Moe quatrains from Knosstradamus aka Col Sanders.

I really like his "in the trade" comment.

Such a man of mystery huh?

Laughable.

Matt

Hummmmm...

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[BobKnoss 0]

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Such a man of mystery huh?


Hummmmm...

No mystery here. Mystery there. We just give the facts.

[Farflung 0]

Here are some more Cooper-esque tie clasps with the addition of silver plate with jade or a lovely gem of abalone to compliment that tie. They are both on eBay and labeled as ‘modernist’ (whatever that is).

Looks like the JC Penney exclusivity may be somewhat elusive. The shells (bodies) of the clasps could have been made by one company then plated by another to have the ‘gem’ added by a third on to receive a private or captive label before retail distribution.

[mrshutter45 21]

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Here are some more Cooper-esque tie clasps with the addition of silver plate with jade or a lovely gem of abalone to compliment that tie. They are both on eBay and labeled as ‘modernist’ (whatever that is).

Looks like the JC Penney exclusivity may be somewhat elusive. The shells (bodies) of the clasps could have been made by one company then plated by another to have the ‘gem’ added by a third on to receive a private or captive label before retail distribution.

Weiss made jewelry for Jc Penneys in the 60's I typed Weiss jewelry and, YOU GUESSED it, it's on ebay for $22.99 (see photo)

second photo only shows a picture on the site which gives no information other than a photo.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Good job mrshutter45. No I would not have guessed Weiss and neither has anyone else to date.

You get the gold star for today.

[mrshutter45 21]

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Good job mrshutter45. No I would not have guessed Weiss and neither has anyone else to date.

You get the gold star for today.

F.Y.I.: WEISS: 1942 - 1971 Albert Weiss, a jewelry designer and manufacturer, founded the Albert Weiss & Company Inc. NYC in 1942. He had been a former employee of Coro. The company prospered during the 1950s and 1960s. Weiss jewelry offered high quality costume jewelry using excellent Austrian diamente or clear and colored and aurora borealis rhinestones of exceptional quality and clarity, faux pearls, clear and glass colored stones with antique and gold-tone, silver-tone and Japanned metal settings. Desirable pieces sought after by collectors are the beautiful rhinestones studded figural jewelry that includes the Weiss butterflies and insects. Weiss jewelry has become highly rated and is increasing in price, and is said to be comparable to Eisenberg and Bogoff jewelry. Weiss manufactured jewelry for wholesale to stores including JC Penny and Sears & Roebuck with the stores using their own name boxes for retail sales. Through the years in business, the Weiss company has manufactured some of the most beautiful and appealing rhinestone jewelry of the post WWII era and after. Weiss introduced the gray rhinestone to the public. Christmas tree pins were made for Weiss in Germany that bore the Weiss logo. Mark: "WEISS". The company ceased operations in 1971.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[MarkBennett 5]

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Just so you'll understand I'm a fair guy, I suggested that they stand together on this (Marla's) claim, before I did the interview with her.

Let's go to the video tape, shall we?

This thread goes back a long way.

The first post identifying Marla as the FBI's new lead was on page 1003, post 25069, August 3, 2011 4:22 a.m.

Less than 16 hours later, Robert, you posted (page 1005, post 25121, August 3, 2011 8:11 p.m.) "There are more holes in the LD story than a five pound block of swiss cheese".

You don't have to agree, and maybe her story won't check out. but don't try to say you ever approached Marla's story with an open mind.

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Cooper will hit the charts this Christmas by way of Nashville.

By the way NOT one person has commented on the tie tac in the 1970 picture of Duane Weber.
NOT ONE!

Foot Prints:

Now with all of these pictures of the tie tack - the next head lines will be that D.L. Cooper had that tie tac....but, how does the FBI explain the fact they have ignored the picture of Duane for 17 yrs.

Now why doesn't that agressive FBI agent who supposedly showed one of the witnesses a picture of D.L. Cooper show the same witness the picture of Duane L. Weber in 1969 in a bathing suit?

Jerry Thomas has claimed to have shown pictures to "other witnesses" and they supposedly stated Duane was too heavy. What is heavy about this pic made in 1969 and the one made in 1970 wearing a tie tac just like the one the FBI has in their possession.

Jerry - Why don't you use these 2 pictures?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[mrshutter45 21]

I am finding more companies making this pin or they are just putting different names on the box?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 247]

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Good job mrshutter45. No I would not have guessed Weiss and neither has anyone else to date.

You get the gold star for today.

F.Y.I.: WEISS: 1942 - 1971 Albert Weiss, a jewelry designer and manufacturer, founded the Albert Weiss & Company Inc. NYC in 1942. He had been a former employee of Coro. The company prospered during the 1950s and 1960s. Weiss jewelry offered high quality costume jewelry using excellent Austrian diamente or clear and colored and aurora borealis rhinestones of exceptional quality and clarity, faux pearls, clear and glass colored stones with antique and gold-tone, silver-tone and Japanned metal settings. Desirable pieces sought after by collectors are the beautiful rhinestones studded figural jewelry that includes the Weiss butterflies and insects. Weiss jewelry has become highly rated and is increasing in price, and is said to be comparable to Eisenberg and Bogoff jewelry. Weiss manufactured jewelry for wholesale to stores including JC Penny and Sears & Roebuck with the stores using their own name boxes for retail sales. Through the years in business, the Weiss company has manufactured some of the most beautiful and appealing rhinestone jewelry of the post WWII era and after. Weiss introduced the gray rhinestone to the public. Christmas tree pins were made for Weiss in Germany that bore the Weiss logo. Mark: "WEISS". The company ceased operations in 1971.

That is excellent info! Congrats.

Now for the obvious questions: Did the FBI try and
trace the clasp using product codes on the clasp,
back in 71-72? What were the results? Is there
paperwork at Seattle?

Why no mention of this from the A-Team (Kaye and
Abraczinkas) ?

What makes your find nice (for me) is I spent time
actually trying to talk to JCP purchasing at Dallas
today - and got nowhere. What rude people! So,
once again i went through family contacts - in Co.
One set of cousins has owned mens stores inthe US
for generations. One cousin gave me a lead and I
wound up speaking to an old JCP purchasing agent
who told me:

'I think records from that period (60s- 70s) would
be long gone. All paper records. But, product
distribution records from that period were pretty
good. It would have been very time consuming
but I think chances are good there would have been
records tracking a specific lots of jewelry items, at
least regionally, then another set of records from
there to specific stores. Its not the first time law
enforcement has asked for something like that. It is
very time consuming to search through paper
records, but in the case of this famous hijacking I
think the effort would have been made, especially if
it lead to the hijacker. '

The fellow gave me a phone number of a purchasing
manager in Dallas who he thinks will know if old
paper records still exist. I called and left a message.
Nothing further to report.

Maybe you have nmore info along these lines?

[georger 247]

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Just so you'll understand I'm a fair guy, I suggested that they stand together on this (Marla's) claim, before I did the interview with her.

Let's go to the video tape, shall we?

This thread goes back a long way.

The first post identifying Marla as the FBI's new lead was on page 1003, post 25069, August 3, 2011 4:22 a.m.

Less than 16 hours later, Robert, you posted (page 1005, post 25121, August 3, 2011 8:11 p.m.) "There are more holes in the LD story than a five pound block of swiss cheese".

You don't have to agree, and maybe her story won't check out. but don't try to say you ever approached Marla's story with an open mind.

Yes. Blaveins does not like competition. He jumped
on Marla out of the blue like she was the Russian
Invasion, threatening AB Books and Blevins directly!

The rest is history but I am sure he will continue to
post about this until the last orphan dies - or is
personally strangled by Blevins himself!

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I bow to your awesomeness mrshutter45. I bow proudly.

You truly are the latest ‘whiz-kid’ of the thread. I wish that could be more of a compliment (sort of like world’s tallest midget here), but please keep doing that Voodoo, you do, so well.

Ignore the jealous detractors, you done good.

[georger 247]

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I like all the posts about the tie clasp. There is something to remember here, though.

There are thousands of different tie clasp designs. Only ONE of them was left behind by the hijacker.

CAN I GET A REMINDER FROM YOUT O WAKE UP
TOMORROW AT 5:30 SHARP?

YOU ARE BETTER THAN ROOM SRRVICE!

What other services do you provide ?

Do you serve government, education, and industry?

Your rates are great! Free is great!

[georger 247]

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I like all the posts about the tie clasp. There is something to remember here, though.

There are thousands of different tie clasp designs. Only ONE of them was left behind by the hijacker.

The task of tracing the distribution of a particular piece of jewelry from 40-plus years ago...especially one so common...is a daunting task. I am not going there. Too much work.
Hint: Leave off any without an alligator clip. Cooper's had an alligator clip.

Hey Blevinstein! Want to run my city too?

I can put you in touch with local government officials
real quick!

What colour should we paint the jail cells?

[mrshutter45 21]

Thanks, but I'm just trying to help out the best way I can, and I always reconfigure my search words until I bite onto something! I had trouble finding the clip, so I went right to the source figuring someone has to be selling them the jewelry and took that angle and started to get results.

Now if you look at my last post you will now see the clip is getting around (real & fake) so I have alot more checking to do! (fingers crossed)

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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RobertMBlevins pedantically advises:

“Hint: Leave off any without an alligator clip. Cooper's had an alligator clip.”

Did Dawn J’s (her real name) identification include the fact that Kenny’s clasp had an alligator clip?

Why such precision now? This won’t solve anything, just like the seat, parachute and direction the Columbia River flows.

[mrshutter45 21]

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RobertMBlevins pedantically advises:

“Hint: Leave off any without an alligator clip. Cooper's had an alligator clip.”

Did Dawn J’s (her real name) identification include the fact that Kenny’s clasp had an alligator clip?

Why such precision now? This won’t solve anything, just like the seat, parachute and direction the Columbia River flows.

the only one I have multi- views on has a alligator clip on it.

Robert, I do realize the task at hand, but enjoy doing research like this! no biggie!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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For 17 YRS now I have been but a voice in the wilderness as there was NO one there to hear me other than the wildlife. .

Duane is wearing the damn Tie Tac in this picture!

I found out today - I have to go back to surgery and life is not fair. 17 yrs and NO one listened.

Why? I wasn't young and didn't twist my butt in front of the cameras. I didn't have the money to go to WA and confront the FBI. My calls went unanswered and with an FBI agent telling me Duane Weber was NEVER at McNeil and he was never in the ARMY. I had the documents in my hands.

17 yrs and for WHAT! I have been treated like dirt by the FBI for the most part. Even you guys 50% of the time made fun of me. I have been called every name in the book...by some.

Well, I am not crazy or delusional nor am I a liar and Weber did NOT lie to me. The Footprints have been there all along.

I have had 2 surgeries since May and now I have to have more - life is not fair. Everyone is looking to be hailed the King of Cooper World - the one who solved the damn thing. Yet, I put the proof in front of the FBI 17 yrs ago. The FBI didn't have the sense to come in out of the rain - or someone was just waiting for me to die so they could claim they found Cooper -whoever they wanted him to be.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Thanks, but I'm just trying to help out the best way I can, and I always reconfigure my search words until I bite onto something! I had trouble finding the clip, so I went right to the source figuring someone has to be selling them the jewelry and took that angle and started to get results.

Now if you look at my last post you will now see the clip is getting around (real & fake) so I have alot more checking to do! (fingers crossed)

Wonder if Bobby Kennedy had a set? YEA! He wore cheap stuff on the open road - because people were alway ripping his cuff-links off grabbing at him.
There was one clip of him on a Wagon in the steet and people grabbing his arms. I don't remember the words, but I remember the pictures - just like I remembered the trip and the place Duane took me. Places Jerry Thomas claimed never existed - but I found them damit I found them.

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For 17 YRS now I have been but a voice in the wilderness as there was NO one there to hear me other than the wildlife. .

Well, Jo, I support you and I believe what you say when it is true. The problem is that you are not a good sleuth and you listen to and accept too much of the crap people tell you. You have a closed mind to the real truth and want to write your own story. The parts that are not true come across as lies and you loose all credibility.

What I profess is not of my making and I have no goals of glory, financial or anything. It is strictly a morals issue. Accept what I claim and rest assured it is God's truth. You can see through it if you really want to. You can speak to people who might give you a simple, "yes", but the won't write you a book. Cooper books are for cover-up, not the truth. If you know the truth you have no interest in educating the masses. I am not anti-Jo. I am anti-lies. (against lies, not Antilles) Best wishes for your upcoming operation from everyone, I'm sure.

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You don't believe me? No problem.
[No need to take my word for it.]

THANK GOD NOBODY DOES!! Truth talks, bullshit walks.
You have developed a standing, or I guess, a sitting. It is the principle of the thing. A no-win situation. Right? There is a difference between a public opinion and preaching to the Crew.