DB Cooper

[matthewcline 0]

Seems plausible.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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You say: "That Tena bar money still drives me nuts. I just can't come up with a good explanation that fits the other evidence."

I believe that the Tina Bar money was the three packs of $20 that DB offered to the 727 crew and was refused. DB probably stuffed the three packs into the paper bag he brought onboard, in a hurry then he stuffed the bag into his shirt and it blew out when he jumped. That way the three packs of $20 were kept together and found all together at Tena's Bar. The sack rotted away and the three packs were left held together with the rubber bands. Some of the $20's were missing from one of the packs and that might have been that DB took 10 bills ($200) for pocket spending money.

Bob
sailshaw 73's

The facts of the case are all in the comic - read
Carol Abraczinskis' translation of the Cooper Rosetta
Stone. You have Greek, French, and Cooptik.

Blevins gave Kaye/Carol the tip! It came to Blevins
one day while balancing a steel lawn chair in the air
with one hand, and standing on marbles in a
snowstorm.

It's a fine act of balance.

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[BobKnoss 0]

You say: "That Tena bar money still drives me nuts. I just can't come up with a good explanation that fits the other evidence."

It floated downstream from where it was buried in a 5 gallon milk can that became a bobber in a flood of the area. Cooper lost his whole stash and only got what he pocketed when he dug his hole under a tree by the river at an old dairy farm. Per Richard F. McCoy, Jr. Now, Duane could have lied, but the facts match Mac's story. Had to be upstream from Tena's Bar, obviously. Anything else is pure fabrication. I said so.

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You say: "That Tena bar money still drives me nuts. I just can't come up with a good explanation that fits the other evidence."

It floated downstream from where it was buried in a 5 gallon milk can that became a bobber in a flood of the area. Cooper lost his whole stash and only got what he pocketed when he dug his hole under a tree by the river at an old dairy farm. Per Richard F. McCoy, Jr. Now, Duane could have lied, but the facts match Mac's story. Had to be upstream from Tena's Bar, obviously. Anything else is pure fabrication. I said so.

I thought this was a Government plan? why would they have to hide anything?

You also claimed the flight path is way off...."You also need to include the 15 mile shift in real position from faking a crab to the fake winds out of the West"

So, did they hike 15 miles back to the river?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[MeyerLouie 5]

This explains maybe why the bills stayed intact, but it doesn't explain why the bills endd up so tattered, pitted, worn, and frayed - the bills took on a pitted, frayed, oval-shape pattern. This tells me the bills did some hard traveling downstream -- and for an extended period of time. A paper bag will hardly hold the bills intact for any length of time. Also, I'm wondering how the bills could get so tattered and worn in BobKnoss' floating bobber milk carton? MeyerLouie

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You say: "That Tena bar money still drives me nuts. I just can't come up with a good explanation that fits the other evidence."

It floated downstream from where it was buried in a 5 gallon milk can that became a bobber in a flood of the area. Cooper lost his whole stash and only got what he pocketed when he dug his hole under a tree by the river at an old dairy farm. Per Richard F. McCoy, Jr. Now, Duane could have lied, but the facts match Mac's story. Had to be upstream from Tena's Bar, obviously. Anything else is pure fabrication. I said so.

BULL! Duane did NOT mention a Milk Can and the FARM was NOT on the RIVER.

When I was talking to you yrs ago, I told you about a farm with what appeared to be a milking station (it was NOT on the river, but a place I later learned was Lake LaCames in 2001). In a later conversation you were going on and on about a milk can - I told you emphatically that Duane NEVER mentioned a MILK CAN.

I told you about a place on the River, BUT that was on the RETURN trip and it was NOT a dairy farm. I did tell you about a river location on the Columbia - a place across from the PDX and Duane told me there used to be a house there.
The Rails could be seen from this site.

The Crew in 2001 took me to a house on the Columbia, with an open Garage or Storgage plus in walking distance of a location Duane took me to. The daughter told me her father kept his work clothes hanging out there and when I mentioned the BUCKETS in the back the daughter she told me her Dad always kept Buckets that his supplies came in. THESE were NOT milk Buckets.

The place were the milking station was and the place I talked about Buckets are many miles apart. The farm was not even on the Columbia (but of course I did NOT know this until 2001 when I went to WA).

Jerry was the one who INSISTED that farm was on the COLUMBIA even though I argued and argued with him it was NOT. Had if not been for the GOOD citizens of the area, I would not have found Lake LaCames and the farm house. I can now even tell you who lived in that house...the one near Lake LaCames and the story Duane told me about 2 sons about his age - was DEAD on.

I had learned one son had died and the other son was in a nursing home with old timers. I even recognized the last name when a young lady did some property research for me - her search was WHY I went to WA in 2010 - because I had asked JT yrs ago to search the records for me and told him where the property was.

Jerry Thomas - NEVER DID ACTUALLY GO TO THE PROPERTY RECORDS NOR DID HE DO ANY RESEARCH ABOUT THE THINGS I TOLD HIM ABOUT.

This one woman acquired an old property map for me and she did a lot of research for me before I made my trip in 2010 - I am to this day indebted to her for the things she found for me.

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[skyjack71 0]

The money was retrieved from at least one location and maybe 2 locations in 1979 when Duane was out there in 1979. One location would have been near THE DALLES - he left me in a motel that morning after rising at 6;30 and told me to sleep in and he would be back before check out. He did not get back until several minutes after check out and was soiled. Had to clean up.

He also disappeared for several hours on our last day in Seattle.
He was late and I called the guys to see if they knew were he was.
The last time they saw him was noon that day and it was time to go to the banquet. He arrived with bearly enough time to change clothes and freshen up.
I accused him of drinking and he blew in my face to prove he had not been drinking - he was very Giddy....this is when I made the pic I have labled Giddy. Where was he for over 5 hrs when he was NOT with the GUYs and he was NOT drinking?

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[skyjack71 0]

I can even tell you were he gets MAC from. Duane worked for a guy whose last name had Mac in it and was often refer to as Mc or Mac. Mac was a very honest upstanding resident of WA. I mentioned Mac in one of my conversation (I was stupid enought to believe Knoss might actually be real).

Knoss probably knew Duane from prison, a bar, a party or perhaps not at all. Only one thing I ever found - was that Duane and the ex did go to Bloomington for about 6 wks. Everything else Knoss has claimed he had drudged up out of the gutters of his mind. NOT one word has he been able to prove.

The only thing Knoss has succeeded in doing was getting the FBI to stop investigating Weber. I do know Duane was involved in "something" besides the small time criminal he was known to be. Duane's connection to these things came out of CO and TX and AZ. Duane Weber knew Paperlegs Petersen and his connections go all the way to a journalist by the name of Anderson.

Duane was also a snitch...and because of his demeanor and prison record a great mole in the underworld. Why when he took me certain places - there were certain people he could NOT introduce me to, because they knew him as another name...he would go find them by himself and leave me else where.

I can hear the ringing of the bells on that one - it is like having my head in the tower while the bells are being rung.
"Oh, he knew them under his alias and was hiding that from you."

Explain how the ex met and knew Weber in 1962 as John Collins and yet he didn't get the John Collins SS number until 1963? Why and how did Weber know some of the guys supposedly involved in Watergate? I actually met 2 of them - now that is spooky!

What and who was Ed Huran and why is there no record of his employment with the very same company Duane worked for - why did the FBI refuse to even find or talk to him? Why did the FBI look the other way regarding everything I had told them.

A man Duane and Ed worked for was KNOWN to hire and support ex-cons...and had lots of connections - this part still rattles my cage a little. Especially since I know certain individuals came up deceased (supposedly by suicide) because they knew too much. It was strange that Duane talked to me about these 2 individuals. I didn't get the connection then - but I do now.
How and Why did Duane know both of these individuals - even casually or as the door-man in a hotel.

Duane Weber was a snitch while he was in New Orleans - that is a given...but not a snitch for the MOB, but for someone who was trying to protect and do no harm.
Duane blended into the background in N.O. and he wanted to do something right in his life - he got his chance and he took his chances - how the hell does anyone think that Duane Weber walked on a Jefferson sentence with a Commutation of Sentence... a 5 time felon - walks right out of prison - UNBELIEVABLE! Absolutely unbelievable!

If there is anyway you guys swallow the story about Jefferson or Knoss's story then you need to go to Az and see about that Bridge.

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Knoss says in part, regarding the Tena Bar money:

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'It floated downstream from where it was buried in a 5 gallon milk can that became a bobber in a flood of the area. Cooper lost his whole stash and only got what he pocketed when he dug his hole under a tree by the river at an old dairy farm. Per Richard F. McCoy, Jr. Now, Duane could have lied, but the facts match Mac's story. Had to be upstream from Tena's Bar, obviously. Anything else is pure fabrication. I said so...'

Not just because you said so. McCoy is dead. A shotgun blast to the chest will do that. You haven't identified 'Mac'. (Also happens to be my late grandfather's name, so maybe it was HIM, lol) You still haven't presented any 'facts' and the only thing you know about Washington State is from maps.

Back to your phony posts at Unsolved Realm if you please...

After posing as Geoff Gray, Skipp Porteous, Marla Cooper, yours truly, and even FBI Special Agent Larry Carr, I hardly know what to call you.

Quade summed Knoss up on Feb 20, 2012 "you haven't even shown circumstantial evidence in this case; simply a wild theory."

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[BobKnoss 0]

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You say: "That Tena bar money still drives me nuts. I just can't come up with a good explanation that fits the other evidence."

It floated downstream from where it was buried in a 5 gallon milk can that became a bobber in a flood of the area. Cooper lost his whole stash and only got what he pocketed when he dug his hole under a tree by the river at an old dairy farm. Per Richard F. McCoy, Jr. Now, Duane could have lied, but the facts match Mac's story. Had to be upstream from Tena's Bar, obviously. Anything else is pure fabrication. I said so.

I thought this was a Government plan? why would they have to hide anything?

You also claimed the flight path is way off...."You also need to include the 15 mile shift in real position from faking a crab to the fake winds out of the West"

So, did they hike 15 miles back to the river?

HE hiked 15 miles, yes. Not THEY. To his destination at the old dairy farm, by a river, yes. That eventually flowed through Tena Bar, yes. That is what I said. That is what McCoy told me. Jo kinda says the same thing, but she will change it now that I announced it. Because I'm a liar and fabricate everything. And write idiotic posts on obscure sites for my personal edification. And pick and choose points of fact that suit my fabricated story in order to make it seem authentic. And I have a gold mine in Oregon that produces 2 oz. per day of gold with only a shovel and a pan. And I'M the liar? I need new shoulder high waders. Take what I say to the bank. It is the most consistent source of facts on this forum, except Nixon's pilot experience. Haven't found that clip yet. I found where he wanted to take lessons. Does that count? Should.

Cover stories are fabricated to allow undercover agents to adopt new identities all the time. Mac did it twice. It's a way of life. You are still stuck on Mac 1. You still have Mac 2 to ponder. "Captain Tommy Gunn". Then there is Mac 3 who was all over the World. He's retired now and still providing a helping hand where it's needed. 'A REAL American Hero,' as Stallone put it, as they ended Mac 2. Hell of a story. He's infamous all right! Said he would be. Hi, Mac!

Your Regina whatever posts are a poor attempt to frame me for something I am not doing. Why would I continue to do that, knowing the posts could be easily traced. That's STUPID! The ramrod on the subject is probably the perp, that's Bleepins, the fabricator, doing what he does best, write untrue statements about people to change the blame. I invite an honest release of information, but you won't get that from this unscrupulous Crew Member. His sole purpose on this forum is misdirection from the story Jo Weber is ineptly trying to tell. The information I am presenting. The TRUTH of 305. There is no fair play here. It is Nixon Dirty Tricks, smear tactics, and the like. Discuss facts? NOT ON YOUR LIFE. Robert99 is on the right path. Bleepins is full force 24-7 with the bull(shit) dozer trying to alter the face of the Earth. Comical. Pac Man in a sanitation crew suit, push cart and a broom.

I like pie.

[mrshutter45 21]

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You say: "That Tena bar money still drives me nuts. I just can't come up with a good explanation that fits the other evidence."

It floated downstream from where it was buried in a 5 gallon milk can that became a bobber in a flood of the area. Cooper lost his whole stash and only got what he pocketed when he dug his hole under a tree by the river at an old dairy farm. Per Richard F. McCoy, Jr. Now, Duane could have lied, but the facts match Mac's story. Had to be upstream from Tena's Bar, obviously. Anything else is pure fabrication. I said so.

I thought this was a Government plan? why would they have to hide anything?

You also claimed the flight path is way off...."You also need to include the 15 mile shift in real position from faking a crab to the fake winds out of the West"

So, did they hike 15 miles back to the river?

HE hiked 15 miles, yes. Not THEY. To his destination at the old dairy farm, by a river, yes. That eventually flowed through Tena Bar, yes. That is what I said. That is what McCoy told me. Jo kinda says the same thing, but she will change it now that I announced it. Because I'm a liar and fabricate everything. And write idiotic posts on obscure sites for my personal edification. And pick and choose points of fact that suit my fabricated story in order to make it seem authentic. And I have a gold mine in Oregon that produces 2 oz. per day of gold with only a shovel and a pan. And I'M the liar? I need new shoulder high waders. Take what I say to the bank. It is the most consistent source of facts on this forum, except Nixon's pilot experience. Haven't found that clip yet. I found where he wanted to take lessons. Does that count? Should.

Well, if the flight path was off by 15 miles as you state, the river would not be 15 miles away! a plan that started in 68 by the Government leaving a man on the ground alone does not hold water! If you put a container in the ground and a flood comes along, the suction of the ground would hold the can in place, unless you have massive erosion? how much of a "bober" would a milk can be stuffed with money taking away the air volume?

If the person in question was indeed working with the Government, he would not have a fear of being caught, or need to hide anything? simply walk away with the money, no?

Just like Marla's story among others, people feel the need to give a plausible reason as to why the money was never spent or found? why does it have to be missing? when it is possible it could of got through the system undetected?

Tracking money back in 1971 can not be compared to today, many gave up looking several months after the crime, if any really looked at all

If you take note to Vicky's story and notice the drum of counterfeit bills was found rather quickly, your "bobber" starts to sink once again! (a floating can is a invite for the curious and don't for get Mr. T. Tosaw out there)

You have yet to give anything in order to take it to the bank? one can not give a statement to a bank, a bank will give you a statement! but, you need something in your hand in order to give it to the bank

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Amazon 7]

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Knoss says in part, regarding the Tena Bar money:

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'It floated downstream from where it was buried in a 5 gallon milk can that became a bobber in a flood of the area. Cooper lost his whole stash and only got what he pocketed when he dug his hole under a tree by the river at an old dairy farm. Per Richard F. McCoy, Jr. Now, Duane could have lied, but the facts match Mac's story. Had to be upstream from Tena's Bar, obviously. Anything else is pure fabrication. I said so...'

Not just because you said so. McCoy is dead. A shotgun blast to the chest will do that. You haven't identified 'Mac'. (Also happens to be my late grandfather's name, so maybe it was HIM, lol) You still haven't presented any 'facts' and the only thing you know about Washington State is from maps.

Back to your phony posts at Unsolved Realm if you please...

After posing as Geoff Gray, Skipp Porteous, Marla Cooper, yours truly, and even FBI Special Agent Larry Carr, I hardly know what to call you.

I think Matt and I both have a pretty good idea about that... but on an overly moderated site such as DizzyDotCom.... one dare not put voice to it.

[matthewcline 0]

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Knoss says in part, regarding the Tena Bar money:

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'It floated downstream from where it was buried in a 5 gallon milk can that became a bobber in a flood of the area. Cooper lost his whole stash and only got what he pocketed when he dug his hole under a tree by the river at an old dairy farm. Per Richard F. McCoy, Jr. Now, Duane could have lied, but the facts match Mac's story. Had to be upstream from Tena's Bar, obviously. Anything else is pure fabrication. I said so...'

Not just because you said so. McCoy is dead. A shotgun blast to the chest will do that. You haven't identified 'Mac'. (Also happens to be my late grandfather's name, so maybe it was HIM, lol) You still haven't presented any 'facts' and the only thing you know about Washington State is from maps.

Back to your phony posts at Unsolved Realm if you please...

After posing as Geoff Gray, Skipp Porteous, Marla Cooper, yours truly, and even FBI Special Agent Larry Carr, I hardly know what to call you.

I think Matt and I both have a pretty good idea about that... but on an overly moderated site such as DizzyDotCom.... one dare not put voice to it.

Maybe we would get "This is your one warning", what say you, Quade?

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[BobKnoss 0]

"- how the hell does anyone think that Duane Weber walked on a Jefferson sentence with a Commutation of Sentence... a 5 time felon - walks right out of prison - UNBELIEVABLE! Absolutely unbelievable!"

On the Federal Marshall's badge of Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr., that's how.

On names: He wanted to be called Mac. He DID NOT want to be called Dick, Rich, Ricky, Richard, Dicky, etc. Either Mac or McCoy, nothing else. Dan didn't like to be called 'Coop' either. One 'Rat" and he regained his 'Cooper' name. Didn't last long though and we were right back to 'Coop.' Anything else is a lie, Jo.

It is not my job to present a court case for you on the Cooper hijacking. I simply intend to inform you of what really happened. If you chose not to believe it, I could care less. If your really WANT to know the truth, then you can accept what I say. You won't find any hard evidence as what little there is is closely guarded by the kingpin. I can't even get anything anymore. I'm a bad person now. I've told you evidentuary information which you chose to ignore or cover up. You don't pursue it. Not my problem.

Truth is what truth is. Never changes. Lies do. Cover-up does. A blind man feeling the trunk of an elephant may think he has a life grip on a hairy snake, when in fact he has taken it upon himself to wrestle an elephant. I'm now thinking this Cooper thing is 'Mammoth'. Geoff Gray reported correctly. This story seems to go leap frogging forever, like the next number in Pi.

I like pie. You go there. Not my pie. I'm a pacifist, not an Iron Fist.

[BobKnoss 0]

"You haven't identified 'Mac'."

No, damned right, and I will not. He is fully capable of communicating if and whatever he cares to, by any means he wishes. Cooper was a small fraction of his involvements and one of the least interesting. It got him his lifetime job and for that reason, has merit. I have never met another person with a kinder soul or more willing to help his fellow man. He IS my friend, and always will be, even though my attorney friends say he is NOT my friend. Go figure. You, Matt, are NOT my friend. Why not? Guess.

[BobKnoss 0]

"I hardly know what to call you."

Overly honest would be good. Snitch fits. Whistle Blower is most accurate. Wikki-Leaker is kinda close. Rotten Son-of-a-B Loud Mouth is most frequently used. Rat Fink works. Loose Lips fits. You need to try harder, but pick something you can spell, Private. (:Q)^

[BobKnoss 0]

"Here's a hint on how many bills come into Treasury for destruction and replacement each DAY........"

I toured the Federal Reserve and watched them sort and destroy bills. There was a dump truck full of confetti bills at the end if the day which were then burned.

We were able at that time to acquire the confetti bills and used them as filler in molded products we produced, flower pots. I don't think they release it anymore, do they?

The Tena Bar bills weren't quite so finely particulated, but were found several feet deep from dredging pumpings.

[BobKnoss 0]

"Explanations regarding the Tena Bar money would be a lot easier if one OTHER question were answered:

True status of the Amboy parachute."

The Amboy chute manufacture postdates the Cooper jump and is therefore null and void to the subject at hand. All you need do is absorb, Bleepins. You are a magnet for big wild hairs, er, hares.... Bunny wabbits, like Harvey. Are you really Elwood P. Dowd under cover? Do the wabbit white yo widow stowies as a ghost whitor, Elwood? (:})

[skyjack71 0]

YOU have NO Conception of the facts of this crime. You keep changing your story to FIT what anyone says in prior post and I for ONE am fed up with it. This is FUN and GAMES to you, but there many of us who are dead serious about what we are doing.

I am fighting a time clock, so will you please get LOST and stay LOST. Why don't you take a trip to WA. State and learn WHY the things you rant on about are NOT justified. There are those in this thread who have put lots of hard work in to providing the information they have presented.

You, Knoss have destroyed any reason anyone would want to come to this thread other than to argue with you - regarding the things which are obviously figmentations of your illusive mind and imagination.


Your lack of knowledge regarding the actual investigation of the crime in the last 40 yrs are "proof" enough for me and most who read the thread to dismiss EVERYTHING you say.

STOP referring to me or Duane in your posts. I really doubt you even knew Duane Weber or his alias. IF SO produce your PROOF.
STOP taking and saying JO said this or that. Duane did walk some distance, but IF you actually went to WA and saw what I was talking about - you would know that your insinuations are NOT possible. You have absolutely NO idea where those power lines and pipe lines are or where they were in 1971....

I told you Duane told me about the power lines and pipelines and that he made a remark about - "before the undergrowth grew up you could walk for miles". He was referring to the power lines at that time.
He did NOT say Cooper walked those lines. Duane did NOT say he walked those lines.

Duane or Cooper walked a distance when he hit the land and then headed out the next morning - but HE WAS NOT NEAR the Columbia or Lake LaCames when he landed. The crew maintained that Cooper landed in the FLAT lands of WA or OR
(WA per the co-pilot). He was relative sure Cooper was gone before they approached VanCouver.

NOW please DO NOT reference Jo or Duane in your future post until YOU go to WA and see this for yourself! Please DO NOT write yourself into the COOPER Story at my expense.

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[skyjack71 0]

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If the person in question was indeed working with the Government, he would not have a fear of being caught, or need to hide anything? simply walk away with the money, no?

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Just like Marla's story among others, people feel the need to give a plausible reason as to why the money was never spent or found? why does it have to be missing? when it is possible it could of got through the system undetected?

I for ONE had very little knowledge of the crime when I contacted the FBI in 1996 about Duane's confession. I surmised over the yrs after learning more about the money - that he WASHED money in Tahoe that yr. and that he spent some of it until an article came out in 1980 about the money find - then and only then did he actually know they had the serial numbers.

Now in retrospect and with the help of a brilliant young man who I hope some day will stand up and take credit for the things he helped me to discover about Duane Weber and the yrs I spent with him....especially his ability to track the things the FBI missed about Duane's actions during the last 5 yrs of his life.
Right down to dates - If the FBI actually looked at the things - opening of safe deposit boxes and the closing of such. The dates of entry into the hosp and date of the John Collins drivers license and how these coincide with his arrest (which was reduced to 72 hour observation) in 1990. Then the trip to Omaha (we think it was Omaha). His unusual business that allowed him to support any monies he gave me toward the household. Unusual gifts to others in those 5 yrs. Yet, I saw little merchandise move.

The lack of interest by the FBI when I asked them to check out the Omaha 10 yr safe deposit box and the drivers license they over-looked raised eyebrows. I was cautious and did NOT let them have the original. I still have it. I was not aware of what I was holding until this brilliant young man started to dig for me. The FBI turned their heads.

None of this makes sense to me and I make less sense to the FBI or they are just looking the other way. What-ever Duane was involved in it did NOT involve any conspiracy regarding the Skyjacking. What Duane WAS involved in is what the FBI & the Government is afraid of - not the fact that he did the skyjacking and got away!

They could NOT allow Duane to be a viable suspect. They had to discredit or dispell any notion that Weber did the Skyjacking.
Why? As I have said before if some cracker-jack of a reporter started to dig into the past of Duane Weber aka John Collins a lot of people would not be very happy. Our government had their hands in some deep pockets so to speak - and they do NOT want this to become public knowledge.

This is part of the WHY in the FBI going to such extremes to obtain the Andersons files! Anderson interviewed 2 men regarding actions in the 60's and he hired others to dig thru the garbage of others. Ferrie died of unknown causes - Just saying!
Ferrie was known to Weber and his family. Just saying! Two of the Watergates I met in N.O. Just saying!

It is essential the FBI waits until I kick the bucket - right now all they can do is keep on ignoring me or discredit me and hope it all goes away. This is WHY I keep on going. This is WHY I am here. They know enough about me to know - I cannot write my own story, but they forgot about the internet.

Not many people will know the story, but hopefully someone will remember this thread. Even more immediate is if my guys actually put something together we can all wrap our heads around. Problem with that is I will have NO control over CRAP they might want to use that is not true. Some think you have to EMBELISH a truth to get the attention of the public - I don't want that, but I have NO control when I die.

Hopefully the likes of Knoss will not prevail in the truths I have told and the story I leave behind me.

I think I need to go cry,
Bye!

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"- how the hell does anyone think that Duane Weber walked on a Jefferson sentence with a Commutation of Sentence... a 5 time felon - walks right out of prison - UNBELIEVABLE! Absolutely unbelievable!"

On the Federal Marshall's badge of Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr., that's how.

On names: He wanted to be called Mac. He DID NOT want to be called Dick, Rich, Ricky, Richard, Dicky, etc. Either Mac or McCoy, nothing else. Dan didn't like to be called 'Coop' either. One 'Rat" and he regained his 'Cooper' name. Didn't last long though and we were right back to 'Coop.' Anything else is a lie, Jo.

It is not my job to present a court case for you on the Cooper hijacking. I simply intend to inform you of what really happened. If you chose not to believe it, I could care less. If your really WANT to know the truth, then you can accept what I say. You won't find any hard evidence as what little there is is closely guarded by the kingpin. I can't even get anything anymore. I'm a bad person now. I've told you evidentuary information which you chose to ignore or cover up. You don't pursue it. Not my problem.

Truth is what truth is. Never changes. Lies do. Cover-up does. A blind man feeling the trunk of an elephant may think he has a life grip on a hairy snake, when in fact he has taken it upon himself to wrestle an elephant. I'm now thinking this Cooper thing is 'Mammoth'. Geoff Gray reported correctly. This story seems to go leap frogging forever, like the next number in Pi.

I like pie. You go there. Not my pie. I'm a pacifist, not an Iron Fist.

Now McCoy is a Federal Marshal?

Before he was in full military uniform? which is he? " McCoy in full military dress" ?

Bob Knoss
11/01/2010 at 5:43 am Permalink
Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr? You have GOT to be kidding! Stupid screw-up wanna-be. Couldn’t even walk into town. Had to buy a ride for $15!
Lynette Squeaky Fromme was a bigger criminal with a EMPTY gun!

I guess he is a stupid screwed up Military, Federal Marshal wanna-be ?

Something tells me that you also know how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie pop don't ya

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Edit for Dropzone readers: Walling never followed any road back to Yale. He said near the end he did follow a creek, though. The FBI's claim that the Amboy chute belonged to Lt. Walling is close to impossible. What I can't figure out is why Casey McNerthney just swallowed that explanation from the Seattle FBI without even looking at a map first to see if it was feasible.

So...the obvious question is, if the Amboy chute isn't Walling's, and it was found in the dropzone, and the FBI initially admitted it was a military chute, and further admitted it 'could' be from an NB-6 container...(early statements by the Seattle FBI, before they discounted the chute as possibly being Cooper's)...

Then who the hell BELONGS to it? And why did they bury it without the container and harness?

About the attached picture: If Walling landed just south of Amboy and headed north, no matter where he goes, he's going to run into Highway 503 pretty quick, and he wouldn't have continued boonie crashing north, forgetting the highway, and hiking on to Yale. That does not make sense.

If he landed just NORTH of Amboy, and missed the highway, and headed north toward Yale, he would run into two lakes and a big river. And it was the middle of winter.

If he landed NORTH of Yale, where there are no roads, and headed SOUTH, he could reach Yale, and he did, since it was the place where he was rescued. This makes sense.

Which scenario is most likely to you? See attached map. I have re-done it with some better text.

All I'm really saying is this: If the FBI is WRONG about the Amboy chute, than what the heck is the truth about it? The only two hard core points of ground evidence so far on Cooper are the placard and the Tena Bar money. If the chute were determined to be Cooper's, it would answer a few more questions. And since the FBI's explanation about it is pretty much full of holes, it makes sense to question it.

Let's look at the obvious. Placard found along same basic path. Now a chute. FBI admits it is military and could be from an NB-6 container. Someone even took the time to remove the container and harness and bury it.

Then they give a lame explanation about it and say they are no longer investigating it...all based on a load of horsecrap. Silk, my eye. Repack date, AFTER the date Walling jumped. Maybe he used a time machine, maybe he brought a boat to get across the Lewis River, or Merwin Lake.

Am I the only one seeing there is a problem here?

Blevins, Since you are now apparently the parachute expert on this thread, tell me how the shroud lines were connected to the risers (from the harness) in the back parachute that Cooper used.

Were seperable links used? This is not a trick question, but a correct answer is necessary for you to maintain your "expert" rating.

[BruceSmith 3]

True status of the Amboy parachute.
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The Seattle FBI announced (later) that the Amboy chute was NOT Cooper's.

They based this conclusion mostly on Earl Cossey's claim that the Amboy chute was SILK, a biodegradable material, and that the chute given to Cooper was made of nylon, or ripstop nylon. (Non-biodegradable materials)
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No container and harness were found with the chute...

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Earl Cossey told me that the Amboy canopy was not a chute aboard Flight 305 because he assertained that it was a cargo chute and was 30 or 32-foot in diameter (I forget the exact dimension at the moment), whereas the chutes that went to Cooper were smaller.

Now, I know that Coss is not particularly reliable, but that is the information I have to go on for the moment. Bob Sailshaw is trying to arrrange a luncheon with Coss and I so we can straighten this and many other aspects of the parachuting angle, and I hope Bob's social graces can succeed where mine have been less productive - although slamming down the phone on me does provide a neat dramatic flare to the story.

What I thought was the most interesting aspect of the Amboy Flap was that Coss said that the feds wanted him to sit on the announcement - that the chute wasn't DB Cooper's - for a few days. That in effect, they wanted to milk the publicity. That is a key clue in my judgement, assuming that Coss is telling the truth about the FBI's actions. Sigh.

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True status of the Amboy parachute.
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The Seattle FBI announced (later) that the Amboy chute was NOT Cooper's.

They based this conclusion mostly on Earl Cossey's claim that the Amboy chute was SILK, a biodegradable material, and that the chute given to Cooper was made of nylon, or ripstop nylon. (Non-biodegradable materials)
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No container and harness were found with the chute...

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Earl Cossey told me that the Amboy canopy was not a chute aboard Flight 305 because he assertained that it was a cargo chute and was 30 or 32-foot in diameter (I forget the exact dimension at the moment), whereas the chutes that went to Cooper were smaller.

Now, I know that Coss is not particularly reliable, but that is the information I have to go on for the moment. Bob Sailshaw is trying to arrrange a luncheon with Coss and I so we can straighten this and many other aspects of the parachuting angle, and I hope Bob's social graces can succeed where mine have been less productive - although slamming down the phone on me does provide a neat dramatic flare to the story.

What I thought was the most interesting aspect of the Amboy Flap was that Coss said that the feds wanted him to sit on the announcement - that the chute wasn't DB Cooper's - for a few days. That in effect, they wanted to milk the publicity. That is a key clue in my judgement, assuming that Coss is telling the truth about the FBI's actions. Sigh.

could this be possible in Washington?
In the late 1940's, a small group started development activities for smokejumper and cargo dropping in the Northern Region, headquartered in Missoula, Montana. Under this program, regular aircraft patrols were used to detect fire, and methods were developed to parachute firefighters and supplies to remote fires. These basic innovations are still in use today. In 1953--largely because of the Northern Region's success in the use of aircraft for fighting forest fires--the Missoula Aerial Equipment Development Center was established.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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the parachute .