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QuoteNo one keeps a secret forever.
Duane Weber was in the The Dalles and Washougal. Damn the FBI! Damn them for throwing my life away because they couldn't do their damn job. Maybe they did their JOB. Maybe their job was to cover it all up.
Apple Orchards, smokejumpers, airstrips and mentors. He was right there in the middle of it all.
Damn our DAMN Government - Damn them!
That is a tie tac in the picture and it looks like the one the FBI has.
I told them everything they needed to know to put Weber in those locations, but they never picked up a phone or sent a guy to these places...no one investigated the things I told them. I didn't know how to dig thru the old county records and files nor did I have the time or money.Lots and Lots of mixed emotions right now.
JT claimed to have done this or that - he did NOTHING!
Lots and Lots of mixed emotions right now.
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I have been on the phone since I got up this morning. It is believed we have put Duane in Cames around 1945 to 1949. All we need is ONE picture - not just some old guy's comment "I think that might be him" as so many witnesses have stated over the yrs regarding "other" suspects.
Duane was running with some other guys - and now that we tracked two of them to one point - a point Duane told me a lot about and we have the "others" also at this location during this critical time. 3 names well known in the Smokejumpers had personal contacts with a specific location as did Duane and the other 2 guys. JT did NOT investigate one thing I asked him to do - NOT one thing.
The more we find the more this seems like a cover-up. Now the government needs to prove it wasn't a cover-up so, what else can they blame it on? One could say a sloppy investigation by the FBI. Either way NONE of this looks good for the FBI - if it goes beyond the FBI then our government is hiding secrets even after 40 yrs...and that is a a BAD thing.
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BobKnoss 0
"Knoss has obviously NOT viewed the actual photos of Duane. Especially photos that show he and I together and the difference in the tones of our skins."
You were not there, Jo. You can't even verify that Duane was there. I can. I can quote you word for word, the entire conversation about taping his ears back, dying his hair, using military camo, drinking bar whiskey, spilling it, Raleigh cigarettes, no smiling, no rough language, you have a grudge, etc., etc. Duane had a jail house tan and bleached hair in 1968. By the end of the summer he had a normal MINNESOTA tan. GOOSE EGG, Jo. You think you know everything and you actually have most everything WRONG!!
"The more we find the more this seems like a cover-up. Now the government needs to prove it wasn't a cover-up so, what else can they blame it on? One could say a sloppy investigation by the FBI. Either way NONE of this looks good for the FBI - if it goes beyond the FBI then our government is hiding secrets even after 40 yrs...and that is a a BAD thing."
I'm finally getting through to you on this much. Call it National Security so as not to insult the other Convention Countries on International Air Piracy. They were coersed too. Tricky Dicky.
IF you want FBI traction, go to NY or Utah, not Mn or Wa. per McCoy.
You were not there, Jo. You can't even verify that Duane was there. I can. I can quote you word for word, the entire conversation about taping his ears back, dying his hair, using military camo, drinking bar whiskey, spilling it, Raleigh cigarettes, no smiling, no rough language, you have a grudge, etc., etc. Duane had a jail house tan and bleached hair in 1968. By the end of the summer he had a normal MINNESOTA tan. GOOSE EGG, Jo. You think you know everything and you actually have most everything WRONG!!
"The more we find the more this seems like a cover-up. Now the government needs to prove it wasn't a cover-up so, what else can they blame it on? One could say a sloppy investigation by the FBI. Either way NONE of this looks good for the FBI - if it goes beyond the FBI then our government is hiding secrets even after 40 yrs...and that is a a BAD thing."
I'm finally getting through to you on this much. Call it National Security so as not to insult the other Convention Countries on International Air Piracy. They were coersed too. Tricky Dicky.
IF you want FBI traction, go to NY or Utah, not Mn or Wa. per McCoy.
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"Anson is a good bet. I remember seeing stuff by them all over the place when I was younger. You have to take a shot here or there. For example. I would start with distributors based in the western half of the US. Nice job."
Yes, start with the one in Utah, they might even still have McCoy's receipt. He looked long and hard to find that exact piece for a reason. The distributor may have been McCoy's neighbor. Jo may be showing you the reason. Duane planted the BYU pin, and Mac threw it back at Duane with a clasp like his pearl one. You'd have to have been there to get the whole sorted picture. This one runs deep and the truth is very embarrassing to certain people. Will pass on that story.
It is explained in one of the TV films about Cooper-McCoy with a night-time sneak through McCoy's bedroom. Totally out of context, but they worked it into the script. You will find the BYU pin story prolific and correct. Google it.
Yes, start with the one in Utah, they might even still have McCoy's receipt. He looked long and hard to find that exact piece for a reason. The distributor may have been McCoy's neighbor. Jo may be showing you the reason. Duane planted the BYU pin, and Mac threw it back at Duane with a clasp like his pearl one. You'd have to have been there to get the whole sorted picture. This one runs deep and the truth is very embarrassing to certain people. Will pass on that story.
It is explained in one of the TV films about Cooper-McCoy with a night-time sneak through McCoy's bedroom. Totally out of context, but they worked it into the script. You will find the BYU pin story prolific and correct. Google it.
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"The attached was made during Christmas of 1979"
That looks right. Certainly isn't camo green, is it?
Attached.
That looks right. Certainly isn't camo green, is it?
Attached.
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QuoteI found that Towncraft made some jewelry but don't
know if they had that clip, Penny's bought Jewelry
from Weiss among others I'm sure, ]
Im not suggesting Towncraft made/supllied the tie
clasp to Penny's, only that Penny's may have sold
this tie clasp supplied by some other middle man.
Cooper may have obtained the tie and the clasp
from the same source, at the same time.
Is it correct your findings show the clasp is not 18k
gold and no identifying markings on the FBI's clasp?
What then are the numbers on the clasp about?
That's the bad thing about this clip, it was made in several different metals. Tom did PM me saying he thought it was plated, but I am going by the what I read about the piece, this is why in the video I say, it appears to not be plated or Gold filled.
If numbers are indeed on the piece, we can trace it!!
Keep in mind that this clip is very small, the width would be about 3/16 to 1/4 so putting a stamp in it would be a task!
most have the stamp or mark on the back side of the clip "visible" but not while wearing it.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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You forgot Peter, Paul & MaryQuote"Bob, your story is very similar to Marla's story among others, you have all of the answers but nothing to back it up! Marla is certain Lynn Doyle Cooper was Dan Cooper, Bob Knoss is 100% certain Duane Weber is Dan Cooper."
There are quite a few others who are solidly on the Weber wagon. Most of them are players. Have to be careful who I list as "Proof," but it is a most impressive list. William, Richard, James, Karen, Jo, Dennis, Hallie, Ed, Julie, Nickolas, Me, Duane's parole officer, Ralph, and a bunch of others I didn't meet. It is NOT a secret. It is a GAME.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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trying to match him to An Israeli soldier wearing green camouflage face-paint crossed back into Israel after a night of operations inside Lebanon.?Quote"The attached was made during Christmas of 1979"
That looks right. Certainly isn't camo green, is it?
Attached.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115400582972819019.html
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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You were not there, Jo. You can't even verify that Duane was there. I can. I can quote you word for word, the entire conversation about taping his ears back, dying his hair, using military camo, drinking bar whiskey, spilling it, Raleigh cigarettes, no smiling, no rough language, you have a grudge, etc., etc. Duane had a jail house tan and bleached hair in 1968. By the end of the summer he had a normal MINNESOTA tan. GOOSE EGG, Jo. You think you know everything and you actually have most everything WRONG!!
Taping of the ears I suggested since everyone made a big deal out of Duane's ears in a prison photo. No consideration was made for the release photo which did NOT show the Dumbo Ears the thread joked about.
I had also talked to you about this - yet now it was "others" as you tell it. A prison haircut also contributes to the allusion of large ears.
The ex-wife admitted to dying Duane's hair and that is obvious when you look at some 1968 and 1969 photos versus the 1970 photo. Now you are tooting this was said by "others". Yet, Doug Pasternac would be able to view his notes and prove this was conversations he and I had regarding Duane and his ex-wife.
Now you have even added to your repretoir of "evidence" a camo chute compliments of this thread. I have repeatedly told you that Duane never bleached his hair - it would have been obvious since he did NOT have a jail-house complexion and the color of his eyes being so very very dark. He would have looked like a freak - and freaks get attention.
The picture I attached showed his complexion in the dead of winter and having not seen a beach in almost 2 yrs. Note his arm and my arm (I have a medium complexion and I am NOT fair). The picture shows his natural complexion and AS LIGHT as he ever was during the 17yrs we spent together.
Get a life Knoss and GET OUT of MINE!
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QuoteI believe the idea of the hijacker wearing any kind of makeup can be discounted. Multiple witnesses saw Cooper. One was the ticket agent, Williams. The others were stews and some passengers. NONE of them reported that they thought the hijacker wore any kind of makeup.
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Not exactly. I have received reports from normally reliable sources that Florence says that DB Cooper was wearing make-up. The actual source of this information asks for anonymity, but nevertheless, the question of make-up can not be dismissed easily.
Apparently, information enters the Cooper file in a couple of ways. First, there are written reports and these are primary, and then there are verbally understandings that get passed down like tribal histories. Obviously, these are more problematic. But they still may contain important truths.
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QuoteI believe the idea of the hijacker wearing any kind of makeup can be discounted. Multiple witnesses saw Cooper. One was the ticket agent, Williams. The others were stews and some passengers. NONE of them reported that they thought the hijacker wore any kind of makeup.
To belabor the obvious, you can usually tell when someone, especially a MAN, is wearing makeup. This leaves only two possibilities. Either the hijacker was heavily tanned, or his ethnic background was not completely Johnny Whitebread.
EDIT: On a completely unrelated, but frankly AMAZING note...here's a 1971 video with Arthur C. Clarke where he predicts the PC and the internet in perfect detail. He hits it right on the head in this 90-second bit. They should have asked him his opinion on the Cooper case. Holy cow.
I thought Tom and Carol found a number of agents
(chemical) on the tie which match "cosmetics" from
the FBI matching software they were allowed to use?
Indicates he was in close contact with cosmetic either
on his person or from the woman he spent the night
with before -
A large search of prostitutes in the area came up
"ubiquitous"!
Go to Toms website. See that element wheel?
Start matching - - -
Blevins, I thought you knew everything ?
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for tonight.]
We have more productive things to discuss. Take the tie-tanium for example. I'd like to see if Norman (the owner of the main chutes) who ran an active machine shop during the time of the skyjack, might have been the source of the metals found on the tie. If the chutes were kept in his shop might they have been contaminated with titanium residue and aluminum curls? Could Cooper's tie have picked up residue from the chutes? Bruce could ask Norman if he was working with titanium prior to the skyjack and if so what type?
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Perhaps I could call Norman and ask him simply about the presence of titanium. My relationship with Norman is pretty uneven, but perhaps the past six months since I visited him in his shop have cooled his anxieties about getting into a brouhaha with Cossey.
Bob Sailshaw also presents the notion that different forms of titanium were readily availble in scrap boxes at Boeing, and in the very department that Sheridan Peterson may have worked as a tech writer.
I think discussions on the tie and titanium are very valid, and I welcome more attention on this matter.
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QuoteQuoteI believe the idea of the hijacker wearing any kind of makeup can be discounted. Multiple witnesses saw Cooper. One was the ticket agent, Williams. The others were stews and some passengers. NONE of them reported that they thought the hijacker wore any kind of makeup.
Ok, while Cooper was on the plane they noted him to being in his 50's, later statements discount that and go as young as in his 30's, the description of him is all over the board, why am I in bold lettersQuote
Not exactly. I have received reports from normally reliable sources that Florence says that DB Cooper was wearing make-up. The actual source of this information asks for anonymity, but nevertheless, the question of make-up can not be dismissed easily.
Apparently, information enters the Cooper file in a couple of ways. First, there are written reports and these are primary, and then there are verbally understandings that get passed down like tribal histories. Obviously, these are more problematic. But they still may contain important truths."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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I think you misunderstood me Georger, I was just showing what I found out about Penny's so far, that's why I mentioned Towncraft and Weiss, as for Cooper's piece, It is documented as Gold in color, there is no way to check the piece unless you have it in your hands, I am going to look again at your photo's but I think maybe that is the reflection of the material on the clip, I am not sure but, it appears that way? possibly Tom has this answer? I am hoping as well that Cooper went on a shopping spree at Penny's, has anyone looked at there rain gear?QuoteQuoteI found that Towncraft made some jewelry but don't
know if they had that clip, Penny's bought Jewelry
from Weiss among others I'm sure, ]
Im not suggesting Towncraft made/supllied the tie
clasp to Penny's, only that Penny's may have sold
this tie clasp supplied by some other middle man.
Cooper may have obtained the tie and the clasp
from the same source, at the same time.
Is it correct your findings show the clasp is not 18k
gold and no identifying markings on the FBI's clasp?
What then are the numbers on the clasp about?
That's the bad thing about this clip, it was made in several different metals. Tom did PM me saying he thought it was plated, but I am going by the what I read about the piece, this is why in the video I say, it appears to not be plated or Gold filled.
If numbers are indeed on the piece, we can trace it!!
Keep in mind that this clip is very small, the width would be about 3/16 to 1/4 so putting a stamp in it would be a task!
most have the stamp or mark on the back side of the clip "visible" but not while wearing it.
You think I made this up? Have a look and read
the numbers for yourself! Maybe Tom will comment ?
The photos are of the clasp on the Cooper tie at FBI
HQ. Guess Tom or Carol did the photog.. all I did was enlarge and filter a small portion of Tom's original photography.
Neither Tom or Carol even comment there are
numbers on the clasp! Ether this is classified with
them or they are blind?
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QuoteI think you misunderstood me Georger, I was just showing what I found out about Penny's so far, that's why I mentioned Towncraft and Weiss, as for Cooper's piece, It is documented as Gold in color, there is no way to check the piece unless you have it in your hands, I am going to look again at your photo's but I think maybe that is the reflection of the material on the clip, I am not sure but, it appears that way? possibly Tom has this answer? I am hoping as well that Cooper went on a shopping spree at Penny's, has anyone looked at there rain gear?QuoteQuoteI found that Towncraft made some jewelry but don't
know if they had that clip, Penny's bought Jewelry
from Weiss among others I'm sure, ]
Im not suggesting Towncraft made/supllied the tie
clasp to Penny's, only that Penny's may have sold
this tie clasp supplied by some other middle man.
Cooper may have obtained the tie and the clasp
from the same source, at the same time.
Is it correct your findings show the clasp is not 18k
gold and no identifying markings on the FBI's clasp?
What then are the numbers on the clasp about?
That's the bad thing about this clip, it was made in several different metals. Tom did PM me saying he thought it was plated, but I am going by the what I read about the piece, this is why in the video I say, it appears to not be plated or Gold filled.
If numbers are indeed on the piece, we can trace it!!
Keep in mind that this clip is very small, the width would be about 3/16 to 1/4 so putting a stamp in it would be a task!
most have the stamp or mark on the back side of the clip "visible" but not while wearing it.
You think I made this up? Have a look and read
the numbers for yourself! Maybe Tom will comment ?
The photos are of the clasp on the Cooper tie at FBI
HQ. Guess Tom or Carol did the photog.. ?
I don't want you to get the wrong impression of what I am saying, I value your opinion far more than others!
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
Ok, while Cooper was on the plane they noted him to being in his 50's, later statements discount that and go as young as in his 30's, the description of him is all over the board, why am I in bold letters Dead Right! The only person I know who ever claimed Cooper had on make-up was generated by Galen Cook. There may have been others, but I am not aware of them.
The Titanium - Did Georger ever check out the Bolt and Nut Company Duane Weber worked for in Atlanta, Ga. prior to the skyjacking?
Georger NOTE this is in Bold and a question for you. I believe it was Interlock Nut and Bolt. It was also on the list of employee and there was a W-2 in the tax list I compiled for this thread.
I felt I needed to provide the same things Blevins did to support his subject. Duane had absolutely little to NO income in 1971 and loaned his boss 5K in 1972. That boss I was told was a dangerous man with Mob Connections in Chicago...but I have no proof of this. He looked and acted like a high rolling mobster when I met him some time in the early 80's.
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others!
First two digits read: "10(slash) . . ."
You had previously said all real gold must be
registered? Maybe that's the registration number?
I dont know - just work here - bastards wont even
pay me!
BTW you do good work!
Seems to me those numbers would match up with
some manufacturer ... in style, letter type, code ,
etc. Quantico probably has 10000 Gigs on tie clasps
alone?
georger 244
The Titanium - Did Georger ever check out the Bolt and Nut Company Duane Weber worked for in Atlanta, Ga. prior to the skyjacking?
No. Because I am only interested in meteorites from
the next galaxy over - sorry. Our shelves are full of
the other common stuff unsold. sorry
Farm this out to Blevins.
I don't think that is numbers on the clip. I have turned it upside down and side ways. I think it appears to be a reflection of the tie grain as it shadowed in the light of the camera. Note grains in tie match what some are saying are numbers. You don't have 8's upright and then lieing on their side.
As for the Interlock Nut and Bolt, you sure did BUG me about it and wanted to know the name of the company. Why even brother to ask a question if you aren't interested...in any answer I gave. I told you I thought maybe they were contractors - and I assumed you were going to investigate the origins of the company to see what the made and for whom. Perhaps they made parts for planes. We can be sure that Weber had some kind of association with planes - why did he have a plane window piece he used as a paperweight?
You Mr. J.W speak with Forked tongue.
As for the Interlock Nut and Bolt, you sure did BUG me about it and wanted to know the name of the company. Why even brother to ask a question if you aren't interested...in any answer I gave. I told you I thought maybe they were contractors - and I assumed you were going to investigate the origins of the company to see what the made and for whom. Perhaps they made parts for planes. We can be sure that Weber had some kind of association with planes - why did he have a plane window piece he used as a paperweight?
You Mr. J.W speak with Forked tongue.
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DUANE WEBER DID NOT NEED TO CHANGE HIS COMPLEXION. HE WAS NEVER FAIR AND HIS SKIN SOME WOULD CALL GREEK TO LATIN AND WHEN HE HAD LOTS OF SUN IT COULD BE A GOLDEN DARK TAN ALL THE WAY TO A MAHAGONY COLOR.
Knoss has obviously NOT viewed the actual photos of Duane. Especially photos that show he and I together and the difference in the tones of our skins.
Knoss speaks of things he knows NOT.
The attached was made during Christmas of 1979 - his complexion even in the dead of winter and having not been to Florida for a few yrs - was darker than mine.
I have other pictures, but no way to show my complexion versus his without revealing more of myself than I chose to do so...plus I have NOT scanned those photos and prefer to keep somethings about my life PRIVATE.
GOD, If you really really exist Please deliver me from this demon who calls himself Knoss.
Please - this man destroys everything in his path and he doesn't care who he hurts to obtain his goal.
If he really knew or thought Weber was Cooper - he has done all in his power to negate otherwise. He is nothing more than a MOLE in the Cooper case whose only job is to attack and destroy any evidence that might be available to prove Weber was Cooper.
Knoss NEVER even met Weber because if he did - he would know his complexion better than that.
[RED]Duane's complexion would vary due to exposure to the sun and areas - but Weber was NOT fair complexed. The first exposures of the yr to beach sun would leave him with this Indian/Latin look and then as his exposure to the sun increased the Indian/Latin took on darker colors in the rich mahogany realm - too much sun and the ash would come to the surface, but never obliterated the golden/olive undertones.[/RED]
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