377 22 #31426 March 29, 2012 Jamie Cooper claims: Quotethe tie clip is from a company called sarah coventry, it was a gift from my mother and considered the best of costume jewelery of the era according to my mother. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #31427 March 29, 2012 'That first letter might just be a "J". See attached.' Looks to me like "JESSIE" in cap script letters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #31428 March 29, 2012 Quote Jamie Cooper claims: Quote the tie clip is from a company called sarah coventry, it was a gift from my mother and considered the best of costume jewelery of the era according to my mother. 377 He PM'd me, I have yet to see any sarah coventry jewelry with this style clip, until one surfaces to confirm, It's just another story. The clips I have seen from them are not even close. Bob, Im really shocked that you didn't see the markings as "Norjack" or "ask Jerry, ask Mac" Tighten up buddy!"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #31429 March 29, 2012 Quote You should send me the clip pictures, full file. I have the software and the technology to enhance them greatly. I did THIS four years back working from a 200mb NASA image. And we have MUCH better image enhancing software now...These should go to my normal Gmail account. It can take up to 25mb of attachments per message. *Warning for a certain person here: Go ahead and send me an email and see what happens. I really enjoy Google's address block option. The people you block don't even know they've BEEN blocked because they don't get a bounce message. So...they just email and nothing happens for them. And the recipient at the Gmail account never sees the email. I get a laugh out of whomever at Google thought that one up. It's brilliant. Envision people who keep trying to email you and never realize what's going on, or why you don't answer. Come on, there is some humor here. *Not Georger or Snowwman or Jo. Hey Hollywood: here are the original links - http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA10216 http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1367/2 P247720343EFFAWCCP2415L7M1.HTML Being the expert on NASA imaging you are, tell your audience what the scale of the photo artifact is? Where are the transmission frame split(s)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #31430 March 29, 2012 'Bob, Im really shocked that you didn't see the markings as "Norjack" or "ask Jerry, ask Mac" Tighten up buddy!' Well if you really, really squint.... I blew it up to 15,000 pixels, sharpened and adjusted the light shading and got the attached. Is this close enough for you? Jo will like it. There is an upside down cross in there too. Actually it is a reflection off the tie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #31431 March 29, 2012 Quote 'Bob, Im really shocked that you didn't see the markings as "Norjack" or "ask Jerry, ask Mac" Tighten up buddy!' Well if you really, really squint.... I blew it up to 15,000 pixels, sharpened and adjusted the light shading and got the attached. Is this close enough for you? Jo will like it. Sorry Bob, was a nice try, I'm making a video showing that you can clearly see the shape in the fabric of the tie, I starting to believe it is material transfer from being stored for years at a time leaving the impression on it, not 100% sure though."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #31432 March 29, 2012 I see it simply as a poor reflection of the tie material. Look at the return area at the edge. Maybe it's a lense burn from too long a time exposure.....(:Q)^ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #31433 March 29, 2012 Quote'Bob, Im really shocked that you didn't see the markings as "Norjack" or "ask Jerry, ask Mac" Tighten up buddy!' Well if you really, really squint.... I blew it up to 15,000 pixels, sharpened and adjusted the light shading and got the attached. Is this close enough for you? Jo will like it. 15k pixels? 15k by what? Yours is a 2d image. you dont have a clue what you are saying here. You and Blevins should take a community college course together ... taught by Wretched Fossil and MIN ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #31434 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote 'Bob, Im really shocked that you didn't see the markings as "Norjack" or "ask Jerry, ask Mac" Tighten up buddy!' Well if you really, really squint.... I blew it up to 15,000 pixels, sharpened and adjusted the light shading and got the attached. Is this close enough for you? Jo will like it. Sorry Bob, was a nice try, I'm making a video showing that you can clearly see the shape in the fabric of the tie, I starting to believe it is material transfer from being stored for years at a time leaving the impression on it, not 100% sure though. Not sure I understand what you are saying but a surface blemish or impression due to longterm contact with fabric weave crossed my mind also, especially after Kaye shared a better photo last night. The features do look more like they are "on" the surface than below it, on Kaye's better photo. See a pixel density isophot scan attached - and No Blevins, Im not using "Paint". I may get challenged saying this, but the numerical output from the isiophot scan shows "0" significance - so Kaye may be correct. The isue is documentation? Scuff marks vs reflections? I keep saying from the outset without better photos to compare with any conclusion are premature, but evidently those are not forthcoming from the source. Fact is, we are operating completely in the dark here, vs Blevins and Knoss. The banality of the affair is palpable, as usual! Pure gheto drama. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #31435 March 29, 2012 15,000 wide. The top number on my sizing program. That's a reflected image of the tie you see in the gold finish. Carr told me no markings. Maybe Mac got it from a wholesale dealer who was a neighbor. I'd get distr. info. from Ansen and compare the address for proximity. I know for sure that Mac was the source. He said, new. Ain't new no mo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #31436 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote Quote 'Bob, Im really shocked that you didn't see the markings as "Norjack" or "ask Jerry, ask Mac" Tighten up buddy!' Well if you really, really squint.... I blew it up to 15,000 pixels, sharpened and adjusted the light shading and got the attached. Is this close enough for you? Jo will like it. Sorry Bob, was a nice try, I'm making a video showing that you can clearly see the shape in the fabric of the tie, I starting to believe it is material transfer from being stored for years at a time leaving the impression on it, not 100% sure though. Not sure I understand what you are saying but a surface blemish or impression due to longterm contact with fabric weave crossed my mind also, especially after Kaye shared a better photo last night. The features do look more like they are "on" the surface than below it, on Kaye's better photo. See a pixel density isophot scan attached - and No Blevins, Im not using "Paint". Scuff marks vs reflections? I keep saying from the outset without better photos to compare with any conclusion are premature, but evidently those are not forthcoming from the source. Fact is, we are operating completely in the dark here, vs Blevins and Knoss. The banality of the affair is palpable, as usual! Pure gheto drama. I'm working on a not so fancy video, but you will see where the "V" shape comes from, it seems it is the fabric, now, did it transfer, I don't know, is it a reflection, very possible, I should have it up soon, my phone has been ringing off the wall in the last couple hours slowing my process"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #31437 March 29, 2012 Georger stated: Quote Tom is contending what I am seeing as numerals are in fact mirror images of the wove in the fabric of the tie, reflected back from the smooth inside surface of the tie clasp. Tom apparently says he has photos which show no numerals and a smooth unblemished surface ... but he so far has not produced any of those photos! He keeps sending out the same old photo we already have, over and over again. Why are you guy disputing Tom on this? He saw the clip and photographed it. The reflection of the tie with the flash of the camera was my first gut feeling. As I studied the images you guys posted - I was even more convinced of this. Since Tom also states this to you Georger, it is obvious you guys love to over analyze things. Do your own experiment with a high grade camera and flash or stobe. Use any old tie tac you can find and a woven textured tie - you will get the same results. Shadows and flaws in the casting and the texture of the tie along with its own shadow creating these "images". Use a loop and look at some of your own jewelry - this is a given. My fantasy - it reads - Kress! YOU guys know I am joking, but JT and Knoss will twist this into something altogether different. Not Jkennedy, or JFK or Penneys or Kress or Jkress or .10 8556 You guys are as bad as I am - you want to see what does NOT exist. Now, I hope you guys can compare your quest with my own and just briefly put yourselves in my shoes - I have been wearing them for 17 yrs.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #31438 March 29, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote 'Bob, Im really shocked that you didn't see the markings as "Norjack" or "ask Jerry, ask Mac" Tighten up buddy!' Well if you really, really squint.... I blew it up to 15,000 pixels, sharpened and adjusted the light shading and got the attached. Is this close enough for you? Jo will like it. Sorry Bob, was a nice try, I'm making a video showing that you can clearly see the shape in the fabric of the tie, I starting to believe it is material transfer from being stored for years at a time leaving the impression on it, not 100% sure though. Not sure I understand what you are saying but a surface blemish or impression due to longterm contact with fabric weave crossed my mind also, especially after Kaye shared a better photo last night. The features do look more like they are "on" the surface than below it, on Kaye's better photo. See a pixel density isophot scan attached - and No Blevins, Im not using "Paint". Scuff marks vs reflections? I keep saying from the outset without better photos to compare with any conclusion are premature, but evidently those are not forthcoming from the source. Fact is, we are operating completely in the dark here, vs Blevins and Knoss. The banality of the affair is palpable, as usual! Pure gheto drama. I'm working on a not so fancy video, but you will see where the "V" shape comes from, it seems it is the fabric, now, did it transfer, I don't know, is it a reflection, very possible, I should have it up soon, my phone has been ringing off the wall in the last couple hours slowing my process Keep one thing in Mind. Kaye etal are deputised FBI surrogates - so probably limited in what they can say and do, to be helpful! Their cohort Blevins is self-deputised .... Note the Mayan hieroglphs are roughly circular. Note the semi-circular wove tops of the fabric, highlighted right under the bottom of the circular glyphs. Thus a correspondence in patterns - Pixel density of the glyphs is virutally "zero" vs pixel density of the background (clasp surface) in areas adjacent to the glyphs, so these features have no real pixel depth; which may indicate relflections vs something having surface depth.. The circular nature of the glyphs vs the semi circular tops of the wove may be linked .. This is fun! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #31439 March 29, 2012 Quote Georger stated: Quote Tom is contending what I am seeing as numerals are in fact mirror images of the wove in the fabric of the tie, reflected back from the smooth inside surface of the tie clasp. Tom apparently says he has photos which show no numerals and a smooth unblemished surface ... but he so far has not produced any of those photos! He keeps sending out the same old photo we already have, over and over again. Why are you guy disputing Tom on this? He saw the clip and photographed it. The reflection of the tie with the flash of the camera was my first gut feeling. As I studied the images you guys posted - I was even more convinced of this. Since Tom also states this to you Georger, it is obvious you guys love to over analyze things. Do your own experiment with a high grade camera and flash or stobe. Use any old tie tac you can find and a woven textured tie - you will get the same results. Shadows and flaws in the casting and the texture of the tie along with its own shadow creating these "images". Use a loop and look at some of your own jewelry - this is a given. My fantasy - it reads - Kress! YOU guys know I am joking, but JT and Knoss will twist this into something altogether different. Not Jkennedy, or JFK or Penneys or Kress or Jkress or .10 8556 You guys are as bad as I am - you want to see what does NOT exist. Now, I hope you guys can compare your quest with my own and just briefly put yourselves in my shoes - I have been wearing them for 17 yrs. Coming from someone who says Duane is in a bu Dop photo and Tina gave Duane a childhood photoduring the hijacking - this is enlightening. Has the FBI recently deputised YOU! and you forgot to tell us? In other words, which side today of the river are you on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #31440 March 29, 2012 Here is the video, not my best work but, you can see the outline of the fabric in the photo's just beneath the clip area. watch it in 720 HD and full screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNebrlJ8vhA "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #31441 March 30, 2012 Very definitely a mirror image on the gold finished brass clip. A photographic message from God, like a ghostly image writing Duane's name in smoke to tell the tale of the mother of pearl tie clasp that the FBI swapped out for McCoy's BYU pin with his initials on the back. Or is it ancient gliphs? Could it be the curse of the Pharohes, or Men From Space that landed on Earth a millenia ago carving living features in the ground? Where the Hell is Nemoy when you need him? Blevins could stand in.... stand in what? you say? That's all turned to oil now, guys. He preferrs the warm gooshy stinky stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobKnoss 0 #31442 March 30, 2012 No, I am 100% convinced that your parents had an accident. Georger researched this for us and I quote from his recorder back in the day, "You dumb ass! What did you just DO? NOW what, Mr. Lover Boy?" Which pretty much sums it up. Not everything is a conspiracy. Some things are just total mistakes that we never overcome. Robert/Maria Blevins? Now, this is humor, Blevins, just as your puns at me are intended to be funny. My big disappointment is that I can't tell when your not joking because I find it ALL funny. Talked to Geoffery. He thinks you are despicable, or something like that. What does he mean by that? What did you do to him? I think he's a super guy. Let's talk Cooper and quit your trying to be funny. People don't appreciate you. I don't mind, but I'm a real cool dude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #31443 March 30, 2012 Quote Coming from someone who says Duane is in a bu Dop photo and Tina gave Duane a childhood photoduring the hijacking - this is enlightening. Has the FBI recently deputised YOU! and you forgot to tell us? In other words, which side today of the river are you on? Trying to create a chuckle - not a laugh. 1. Duane knew 2 of the individuals in the BuDop photo - I don't think he was in the photo, but one guy has his features except seems to small in stature to be Weber. 2. The photo was in a book I believe Cooper took off of that plane. The photo was simply used as a marker or kept there by the person who had the book. Due to the date and origin and history of the book and the resemblance of the girl to Tina there is reason to believe the child is Tina. If not it could be a relative. Perhaps it has NO significance and something he acquired from a family member, but the dates rule out family members or the daughter I never found. The resemblance of the child to Tina has been noted by one of the best in child and adult reconstruction....used to find missing children. I have found no other reason for his guarded and protective agression behaviour toward the preservation of this book and it's contents. When I went to use the book - he cautioned me about it (I thought that was VERY strange and felt it might have been his daughter or sister, but my research on the book prove otherwise.) The author and artist of the book died only a few months ago. Grey had found her, but he had no idea I actually had a conversation with this woman on the phone about 2 yrs ago (he only found her after she died). She was very eldery but a very very sharp and gracious old woman - I could only dream of living to her age in the 90's. She was pleased and surprised one of her books ended up in Fl as she herself did. She had the last 2 of the 3000 editions in her possession. The co-pilot had asked me where he could get a copy.....NOW that is ODD! Why would the co-pilot want a copy of the book? Who was the couple who enquired about their friend or relatives books to a media or one of the sleuths on the river experiment? That book is preserved, but it is crumbling. Why is it crumbling?It had been wet and then dried out. It has green markings on the back as though money had been touching it during its time in the water. You dismissed all of this - but you didn't bother to come and see what I had. You gave it a cursory look see thru the thread - totally ignoring the fact I do not have the facilities or equipment to provide detailed pics and have samples analyzed.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #31444 March 30, 2012 Quote Talked to Geoffery. He thinks you are despicable, or something like that. What does he mean by that? What did you do to him? I think he's a super guy. PROVE you spoke to Geoffry and when! If he sent you and email - post it here. You are the one who cost Grey his interview with the Co-pilot....now who is dispicable? Geoffry tried to find the new article about the ex-wife you accused of having committed a crime. You were insistent to Grey this was in a newpaper, but NOTHING was found. I asked the ex specifically about you and about the theft - she denied any knowledge. There is also NO arrest record - that has been checked out using all of the aliases. Arrest records are easy to find if you live in the county and are willing to dig into the archived files. I can hear it now - the FBI expunged the new article and the arrest record. We are all able to predict what your next move and claim is going to be.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #31445 March 30, 2012 A quick interjectory comment on titanium. Norman Hayden just told me that he did not have any titanium projects in his shop prior to the skyjacking. As a result, the titanium most likely did not arrive on DB Cooper's tie via contact with a Ti-dusted parachute or sack. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MeyerLouie 5 #31446 March 30, 2012 From what I've been reading and hearing, you have no credibility when it comes to talking about facts and evidence. I actually looked at the evidence, you know, the bills themselves. I've actually been to Tena's Bar, I've actually examined the site. Actual physical evidence -- try it sometime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #31447 March 30, 2012 QuoteFrom what I've been reading and hearing, you have no credibility . He had no credibility elsewhere - for years! Knoss was old news the day he arrived here, running from his other closed down venues... The time he has managed to corral here is only because of people;s social grace ... sympathy card. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #31448 March 30, 2012 QuoteA quick interjectory comment on titanium. Norman Hayden just told me that he did not have any titanium projects in his shop prior to the skyjacking. As a result, the titanium most likely did not arrive on DB Cooper's tie via contact with a Ti-dusted parachute or sack. Again, consider the "scale" of Tom's piece. Blevins has the idea this piece is a 2x12! Poor Blev. Knoss thinks its a 4x8 sheet! The piece looks machined with one end broken off? Alan Whosit is supposed to be a broken parts expert? Who is our resident particle expert - besides Blevins, Knoss, and Jo Weber? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #31449 March 30, 2012 Quote Here is the video, not my best work but, you can see the outline of the fabric in the photo's just beneath the clip area. watch it in 720 HD and full screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNebrlJ8vhA well your vid (with no audio?) was useful to me, I think. I think I see things I didnt see before, in quite the same way. It does look like a reflexion pattern - just as Tom said - but I base this on some facts, as follows - see attached. 2a rows & sizes shows what appear to be an ascending series of rows of repititions, of the same glyphs shown on the bottm line, each ascending row larger than the one before (ie. a Rowland optical effect). 2a light angle shows how the rows of glyphs angle off to the right ? This establishes the incoming angle of the flash. The ascending rows noted above angle off to the left at the same angle. The elevation of the incoming light was . . . Government secret! 2a pattern repetition - shows identities of the same glyphs repeated both in the same row(s) and vertically in the ascending orders of reflection. (optical effect). My guess is the patterns in the socalled glyphs are reflections of the tie fabric top edge fabric patterns due to the high angle of the lighting. First reflection is the first row ... reflected back off the camera lens back to the smooth reflective surface of the clip to form the second row ... second row is the second order reflection ... and so on and so forth to the uppermost row to extent the area of the clip can show all of the multiple reflections happening, in the instant that snapshot was taken ... All of these images were taken off your video. Good job! I will attach an unlabeled snaps 2 and 2a. I think this apparition is reflections just as Tom said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #31450 March 30, 2012 QuoteFrom what I've been reading and hearing, . I was struck, by your description of you and Brian Ingram sitting together, contemplating the Ingram bill auctioned off like a cow, at the socalled Cooper symposium, paid for by Crown Publishing. How very poignant and fitting! 40 shekels was not enough. Eli Eli, lama sabachthani. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
