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Quote"I don't have a grudge against the airline, I just have a grudge."
Cap's instructions to Duane EXACTLY!!! THAT is what he was told to say, THAT is certainly what he said, precisely. BlueBird works like a million dollar bet! Slicker 'n snot.
Buy the book. Read it. Accept it. You Government at work in the general public. "Deliver us from evil, for theirs is the Kingdom and the Power, and the Glory, Forever.."
It would appear - is quite obvious - YOU ARE
WORKING OFF A GRUDGE against the Government.
Has nothing to do with the Cooper matter.
And it doesnt take a psychiatrist to see that. A five
year old could see that!
Its pathetic on its face and shameful by any
accounting.
You came here to dispense clarity and now you have
been given some - by a number of people here. You
came here for change, so change!
QuoteJo
You posted:
"No one - absolutely NO ONE instructed Cooper about his remark to a question Tina asked Cooper. She was trying to help this troubled man and at the same time soothe her fears. She enquired of Cooper if he had a grudge...she felt he was a "very sad man"."
We should get Bruce to give us the correct statement that Tina made to DB. I remember it to be that Tina asked DB why he was doing this skyjack and he said: "Let's just say I have a grudge"
That means DB was the one to first mention the grudge and not Tina. She only asked him why he was doing the skyjack if I remember it correctly. Help Bruce!
Bob
Sailshaw
Thanks for the kudos, Bob, but I'm really not the best authority on actual dialogue. I certainly defer to Sluggo, Georger, Snowmman, and GG.
But I do recall that Tina asked, "Do you have a grudge against Northwest?"
And DB C replied famously, "Let's just say I have a grudge."
I'd also like to add that Tina's comment that DB C was a "very sad man," is her perspective of the skyjacker after the fact, and after she had endured whatever it was that kept her on ice for thirty years and out of the public view. At the time of the hijacking, she was cracking jokes and smoking cigarettes with the guy, at least part of the time - according to GG.
When Tina made her comment to Jo, she, too, was a very sad person as far as I can tell, and certainly angry, based on my personal experience and research.
QuoteQuote377: You are right as usual, it was Palladin as you say:
Wasn't that Palladin in Have Gun Will Travel?
DB, like Palladin might have just left the tie as his calling card as it was not needed for the jump.
Bob
Sailshaw
Or maybe...he just took it off to put the parachute on and then forgot about it?
They're next to your tie, Smoke.
Buy the book. Read it. Accept it. You Government at work in the general public. "Deliver us from evil, for theirs is the Kingdom and the Power, and the Glory, Forever.."
"In a May 13, 1968 article in the Providence Evening Bulletin, [42] Estabrooks is described as a former consultant for the FBI and CIA, and is quoted as saying that, "the key to creating an effective spy or assassin rests in splitting a man's personality, or creating multipersonality, with the aid of hypnotism. This is not science fiction. This has and is being done. I have done it." P. 162"
"In a May 13, 1968 article in the Providence Evening Bulletin, [42] Estabrooks is described as a former consultant for the FBI and CIA, and is quoted as saying that, "the key to creating an effective spy or assassin rests in splitting a man's personality, or creating multipersonality, with the aid of hypnotism. This is not science fiction. This has and is being done. I have done it." P. 162"
Thanks for the link to Dr Colin Ross and his book "Bluebird," Bob. I wasn't aware that Dr. Ross had delved into this realm. I've read some of his other work on MKULTRA-related themes.
Although he do longer responds to my emails, earlier in our relationship he did tell me that he was not aware of any connection between the DB Cooper case and the mind-control activities of the MKULTRA folks.
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I am interjecting in Bold Red my remarks about this:
What I have is NOT opinion, NOT Sashquash tracks. It is FACT.
Jo States:
BIG DIFFERENCE!
What you state above is a figment of your imagination blown out of proportion by an egotistical uncontrollable drive to make a loved one into someone he was not.
Jo States:
WHEN YOU CONTACTED ME - I WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP THE FBI.[/RED]
You have no FACTS, just notes of conversations with deceivers and pictures of historical value.
Jo States:
[RED]DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT REMARK TO THE BANK?[/RED]
YOU did not see and hear what I did. You were not even aware of the hijacking until 27 YEARS after my information was recorded.
Jo States:
[RED] Recorded? that one is laughable.
You just don't get it. You have been had, and that's sad. Mama tried. Eventually, stone by stone, we will get there. Fake cover-up will always wash away. Bad guesses are replaced with new investigations or obvious exposures. The BYU pin, the crab west, all the people in this circle-jerk, the FAA history of events, the Japan, Hague and Montreal Conventions, on and on. We are but ants on a leaf floating down the river of life, yelling, "Raise the drawbridge!" Nobody is going to hear you. Nobody will raise the drawbridge. The FBI has the switch, and WE harass them. Don't call me anymore!
Jo States:
[RED] I HAVEN'T CALLED YOU IN SEVERAL YRS[/RED]
I'm not taking your calls. You don't tell the truth by your own admission, most of what you told me was a lie. Well, some of it was truth, because I already knew it, you just confirmed it. Like McCoy, the honorable kingpin, James Earl Ray, Missouri, McCord, Mary, Maggie,
Jo States:
[RED]WHO IS MAGGIE?[/RED]
the rifle, the ticket stub, the Kool-aide,
Jo States while laughing her head off:
[RED]THE KOOL AIDE WAS LONG AFTER YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE KNOWN DUANE - IT WAS A FEW MONTHS BEFORE HE DIED.[/RED]
the pocket knife, the no-taste menthol cigarettes, the kids, Chicago, Cleveland, Indian heritage, even his name. All on paper long before you heard him say he was Cooper.
Jo States:
[RED]IF ALL OF THAT WAS ON PAPER - WHO WROTE IT GOD? IF SO GOD LIED ABOUT THE KIDS, MENTHOLS AND THAT LIST GOES ON AND ON![/RED]
I heard him say the same thing 27 years earlier.
Jo States:
That's all folk - you all get my point.
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Blue Bird works.
Blue Bird works.
ANOTHER PHASE and I KNOW WHERE YOU OBTAINED IT - YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS UNTIL I TOLD YOU - the program either changed its name or is none existent now. IT WAS ALL ABOUT HELPING THE DOWN AND OUT AND NOTHING SINISTER ABOUT IT UNTIL you made it part of your story in your attempt to change history and facts.
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Thanks for the link to Dr Colin Ross and his book "Bluebird," Bob. I wasn't aware that Dr. Ross had delved into this realm. I've read some of his other work on MKULTRA-related themes.
Although he do longer responds to my emails, earlier in our relationship he did tell me that he was not aware of any connection between the DB Cooper case and the mind-control activities of the MKULTRA folks.
Although he do longer responds to my emails, earlier in our relationship he did tell me that he was not aware of any connection between the DB Cooper case and the mind-control activities of the MKULTRA folks.
Well then, I am happy to re-introduce you to the subject and to be the one to inform you that the likelyhood of Bluebird involvement with Duane Weber, AKA Dan Cooper was far more than likely. MKUltra was no longer the accepted term for their mind control ops, it was addressed as Bluebird or Artichoke. I can't believe they had such an elaborate set-up there right by us and did not use it for this big project. There was too much detail, preciseness, for anybody to remember so much, word for word. I KNOW what I went through and the control it had for years over what I said and did. I understand how it works and it explains an awful lot about Duane's effectiveness. Mac was able to put me under on the telephone and rattle off his information for storage in my mind. It is all still there, at command. Whee-oowwww-eeee-owww. "Don't try to adjust your television set, we are in control of the vertical and the horizontal............"
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Blue Bird works.
ANOTHER PHASE and I KNOW WHERE YOU OBTAINED IT - YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS UNTIL I TOLD YOU - the program either changed its name or is none existent now. IT WAS ALL ABOUT HELPING THE DOWN AND OUT AND NOTHING SINISTER ABOUT IT UNTIL you made it part of your story in your attempt to change history and facts.
Are you talking about them using it on Tina? No, it's all in my notes of 40+ years ago, 27 years before you ever heard the name Norjak. YOU told ME????? Backwards, Jo. You are totally predictable. Up- down, left- right, did it, did not. Did too, did not! YOU WERE NOT THERE!
Excuse me! I do NOT have to ask anyone. This is what TINA told me in a phone conversation many yrs ago regarding Cooper's state of mind - "He was a very sad man".
Tina did ask Cooper why he was doing this and she herself asked Cooper if he had a grudge. She was the first one to use the word "grudge". Your verbage on the answer is correct as I remember it without looking it all up again.
"Let's just say I have a grudge"
Tina was the first one to use the word "grudge".
Tina did ask Cooper why he was doing this and she herself asked Cooper if he had a grudge. She was the first one to use the word "grudge". Your verbage on the answer is correct as I remember it without looking it all up again.
"Let's just say I have a grudge"
Tina was the first one to use the word "grudge".
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BobKnoss 0
"THE KOOL AIDE WAS LONG AFTER YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE KNOWN DUANE - IT WAS A FEW MONTHS BEFORE HE DIED."
He told me he NEVER paid for it, he ALWAYS stole it. Put it in his pants pocket, then stick his fingers in and put them in his mouth. All were good, but lime was his favorite. I suppose YOU told me that and it was a test because it wasn't true. Don't post any more silly posts about me. You are showing your bias and slipping facts you don't intend. Happens when you get mad.
He told me he NEVER paid for it, he ALWAYS stole it. Put it in his pants pocket, then stick his fingers in and put them in his mouth. All were good, but lime was his favorite. I suppose YOU told me that and it was a test because it wasn't true. Don't post any more silly posts about me. You are showing your bias and slipping facts you don't intend. Happens when you get mad.
BobKnoss 0
"I don't have a grudge against your airline, miss. I just have a grudge."
That's pretty close for a quote. (Miss is capitalized Mr. writer guy)
"'I KNOW!' isn't quite good enough."
Hell, man, works for me and sure as Heaven it's better than that KC garbage Lyle fed you two failures. Cap remembers, nothing else counts. He's not talking.
That's pretty close for a quote. (Miss is capitalized Mr. writer guy)
"'I KNOW!' isn't quite good enough."
Hell, man, works for me and sure as Heaven it's better than that KC garbage Lyle fed you two failures. Cap remembers, nothing else counts. He's not talking.
QuoteQuote[reply
Blue Bird works.
ANOTHER PHASE and I KNOW WHERE YOU OBTAINED IT - YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS UNTIL I TOLD YOU - the program either changed its name or is none existent now. IT WAS ALL ABOUT HELPING THE DOWN AND OUT AND NOTHING SINISTER ABOUT IT UNTIL you made it part of your story in your attempt to change history and facts.
Are you talking about them using it on Tina? No, it's all in my notes of 40+ years ago, 27 years before you ever heard the name Norjak. YOU told ME????? Backwards, Jo. You are totally predictable. Up- down, left- right, did it, did not. Did too, did not! YOU WERE NOT THERE!
Blue Bird never was part of your "NOTES" or memories until I mentions a Blue Bird Organization and the involvement of another person connected to the Cooper Saga (there was NOTHING sinister about a charitable organization). I tried and tried to explain to you at that time this organization had nothing to do with Cooper or the Skyjacking. Even then I could NOT shut you up - later in postings you made you are going on and on again about Blue Bird. Sudden Blue Bird had become part of your Secret Government Programs.
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So very very sad.
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QuoteQuoteQuote377: You are right as usual, it was Palladin as you say:
Wasn't that Palladin in Have Gun Will Travel?
DB, like Palladin might have just left the tie as his calling card as it was not needed for the jump.
Bob
Sailshaw
Or maybe...he just took it off to put the parachute on and then forgot about it?
They're next to your tie, Smoke.
Thanksbut....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
BobKnoss 0
So very very sad.
Ok. Everybody's sad. I stand by everything I said. Copies of my story about Bluebird were shared with your reporter friends, not ever to be shared with you, for this reason. That was my connection to Pasternak. The communications date back to 1999. Before you started calling me every week. I initiated one call to you, the first one, and I returned a few, but my attorney advised to avoid you, so I did. Chew on that one, fabricator.
Ok. Everybody's sad. I stand by everything I said. Copies of my story about Bluebird were shared with your reporter friends, not ever to be shared with you, for this reason. That was my connection to Pasternak. The communications date back to 1999. Before you started calling me every week. I initiated one call to you, the first one, and I returned a few, but my attorney advised to avoid you, so I did. Chew on that one, fabricator.
QuoteBruce Smith says in part, regarding conversation between Mucklow and the hijacker:
Quote'But I do recall that Tina asked, "Do you have a grudge against Northwest?"
And DB C replied famously, "Let's just say I have a grudge."
Might as well get it exact, at least according to Geoff Gray:QuoteTina tries to chat him up.
"So, where are you from?" she says.
He won't tell her. He's not that stupid.
She wants to know his motive. Why hijack this plane?
"Do you have a grudge against Northwest?" she says.
"I don't have a grudge against your airline, miss. I just have a grudge."
Excerpt from Skyjack, page 60.
Grey did not to my knowledge get a face to face interview with Tina, but did speak to her on the phone. The words Grey is guoting came from either the scripts or from one of the other books (probably Tosaw's since he is the ONLY ONE to ever get an indept interview with Tina Mucklow!
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Quote"THE KOOL AIDE WAS LONG AFTER YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE KNOWN DUANE - IT WAS A FEW MONTHS BEFORE HE DIED."
He told me he NEVER paid for it, he ALWAYS stole it. Put it in his pants pocket, then stick his fingers in and put them in his mouth. All were good, but lime was his favorite. I suppose YOU told me that and it was a test because it wasn't true. Don't post any more silly posts about me. You are showing your bias and slipping facts you don't intend. Happens when you get mad.
Give it up Knoss! Sorry, but your post crawl deeper and deeper into a delusional world. You hear a word and you make that word part of your story or you create a completely fabricated story built around a phrase.
Nothing spells this out to you You are beyond help. I have tired to be kind, but NOT anymore. You have trashed this thread just like you trashed every Cooper site that allowed you to post. I give up - I wash my hands of you...All you have to do is PROVE you knew Duane Weber - but, you can't even prove that....God forbid you are the 'son' of Duane's I heard a rumor about. Maybe you are "Baby Face" who I met in New Orleans. His name was Dave - no maybe it was Robert!
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"1991 saw the publication of D. B. Cooper: The Real McCoy, by FBI agents Bernie Rhodes and Russell P. Calame. Both authors investigated McCoy's skyjacking case, and their book posits that Cooper and McCoy were really the same person. They cited similar methods of hijacking, and a tie and Brigham Young University medallion with McCoy's initials on the back left on the plane by Cooper."
1991 predates the pearl tie clasp. Here are two FBI guys that verify the truth back in the day. I suspect the cigarettes, the cup, and whateverall went to another evidence box at the same time the medallion went in a particular agents pocket and the clasp went into the cooper box. That is what I was told. Of course, we all know now that Cooper and McCoy could not have been the same person. Cooper was 45 and McCoy 27. And I have the truth on the medallion.
1991 predates the pearl tie clasp. Here are two FBI guys that verify the truth back in the day. I suspect the cigarettes, the cup, and whateverall went to another evidence box at the same time the medallion went in a particular agents pocket and the clasp went into the cooper box. That is what I was told. Of course, we all know now that Cooper and McCoy could not have been the same person. Cooper was 45 and McCoy 27. And I have the truth on the medallion.
georger 244
At the time of the hijacking, she was cracking jokes and smoking cigarettes with the guy, at least part of the time - according to GG.
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and what would you do? Thjey had been ordered to
cooperate. Ordered! That seemed the best overall
strategy. You are hostage with no escape route and
facing a guy with a bomb ... a little like dealing with
some of the people in this forum!
georger 244
And neither were you. Unless you have actual proof, which after so many posts by you is still lacking. Give it up, Bob. You've tried shouting and cajoling your way into the Cooper Case with the most ridiculous, unproven story ever conceived...and it's been rejected. Time to move on, since you haven't convinced a single person on this thread that your version of events is true. 'I KNOW!' isn't quite good enough. If you ever write a book, better file it under fiction.
Pot calling kettle black?
Cap's instructions to Duane EXACTLY!!! THAT is what he was told to say, THAT is certainly what he said, precisely. BlueBird works like a million dollar bet! Slicker 'n snot.
Buy the book. Read it. Accept it. You Government at work in the general public. "Deliver us from evil, for theirs is the Kingdom and the Power, and the Glory, Forever.."
"In a May 13, 1968 article in the Providence Evening Bulletin, [42] Estabrooks is described as a former consultant for the FBI and CIA, and is quoted as saying that, "the key to creating an effective spy or assassin rests in splitting a man's personality, or creating multipersonality, with the aid of hypnotism. This is not science fiction. This has and is being done. I have done it." P. 162"
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