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mrshutter45 21
I need to read a book to understand why you have no knowledge of your Doctors first name or your induction date? you had days to report after reciving your notice, you said this all started in March but,
"The X was what he jumped with after removing the string it was sewn shut with. The boots MAY have been packed in one of the other chutes. THAT is a guess on my part. Somehow he had his boots"
Two chutes where left on the plane and two chutes are missing, so Cooper used the reserve with the X to open and land with? IMO it would make more sense for the FBI to say that one of main chutes was a dummy chute and not the reserve.
Why would they actually give him a chute sewn shut? do you realize how long this would take to remove the stitches on the container?
"The maintenance crew gave a personal tour of the entire plane, stairway lock and all." and yet Cooper could not open the door correctly?
You did say the amboy chute was not Coopers because the canopy did not have a X on it! even if the plan went quicker than expected, Cooper would have had no reason to fear anyone on the ground while the plane was parked correct? So, why didn't the FBI simply load all of his equipment onto the plane? the plane was sitting on the runway for some time?
It just sounds like you are working your story into the story itself, because again this does not sound like a well thought out plan that started in March of 68, which just so happens to fall on your induction date?
why were you picked from Induction? why would the Government seek people out through this process? the Government has many ways in order to seek the right person out for a job such as this?
what exactly was your position in all this?
Quote'How do you get from magnifier to microscope?
Do you Knoss the difference? How and to whom,
does your opinion count?'
LOVE IT! Matt cares. It's:
Crew Training I.
M-W-F, 4-5AM RMBlevins. lab. 3 cr.
prereq. Eng. 101, Finger Pt., Beg.Troll.
class limit (1). Petition instructor.
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How do you loop me in on your mistake?
Matt
So, start being safe, first!!!
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Robert99 50
This thread needs a resolution to the problem of Bob Knoss.
Knoss does nothing but put out BS and then more BS on top of that.
He knows nothing about the Cooper hijacking or, apparently, anything else either.
Knoss is a total drag on this thread and that appears to be his whole purpose for being here.
How do we get his ass off the thread?
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BobKnoss 0
Quotewhy don't you explain once again what the money was intended for?
The original concept was to ask for $100,000, but Duane said that wasn't enough, to go for $100,000 each. "The other guy"
said he didn't want any and that the money was going back to Northwest anyway. Duane said he wasn't taking the risk without getting paid. TOG didn't want to ask for more that they could get easily from the bank. Time constraints.
I need to read a book to understand why you have no knowledge of your Doctors first name or your induction date? you had days to report after reciving your notice, you said this all started in March but,
No, you don't seem to understand the power of Bluebird and the memory that can be created by hypnotic suggestion. The letter was mid-March. 15-20th
"The X was what he jumped with after removing the string it was sewn shut with. The boots MAY have been packed in one of the other chutes. THAT is a guess on my part. Somehow he had his boots."
Two chutes where left on the plane and two chutes are missing, so Cooper used the reserve with the X to open and land with? IMO it would make more sense for the FBI to say that one of main chutes was a dummy chute and not the reserve.
I don't know a damned thing about parachutes as explained to 377. I can only tell you what was planned and that Duane followed the plan according to McCoy. TOG told him to tie the front chute on the back with chord and lots of knots. He said nobody knows you can do that, you'll have to reach around to get the rip chord (or whatever). The money got lashed on the front where the reserve should have gone. Wait ten seconds and pull. No altimeter, or anything fancy, don't want to be seen as experts. Two chute were missing? Possibly his boots came in in one chute pack and the brief case and shoes went out in that same pack?? Would make a simple explanation for why stuff was the way they found it.
Why would they actually give him a chute sewn shut? do you realize how long this would take to remove the stitches on the container?
There was only one reason for doing this. The chutes belonged to TOG and were planted to be used for this project. Duane memorized the stitching and verified that nobody added a tracking device or foiled the chute so it would fail. It was a "Seal of Approval". Personally packed by TOG, a top expert rigger. Duane kept a pen knife in his pocket all the time. Cut the string and tug. Simple.
"The maintenance crew gave a personal tour of the entire plane, stairway lock and all." and yet Cooper could not open the door correctly?
No, TOG told him that the stews knew how to do it and to let them do it. Take no unnecessary risks. This is a safety exercise.
You did say the amboy chute was not Coopers because the canopy did not have a X on it! even if the plan went quicker than expected, Cooper would have had no reason to fear anyone on the ground while the plane was parked correct? So, why didn't the FBI simply load all of his equipment onto the plane? the plane was sitting on the runway for some time?
It was not my intent to say the canopy had an X on it. The outside of the pack had an X on it. That part of the Amboy chute was reportedly missing. The FBI Agent, Larry Carr told me the manufacture of the Amboy chute post-dated Cooper's jump. Apparently there was no rear window for a sniper to shoot him, so he was reasonably safe on the ground, waiting for McCoy to arrive from Utah, yes. The FBI had a failure of communications in the inside FBI guys were supposed to take care of the parachutes. THAT was their ONLY responsibility and they TOTALLY screwed the pooch. They went to the wrong place and almost delivered the WRONG chutes, but finally got their directions in place and got TOG's stored chutes. FBI looked like idiots. That's why.
It just sounds like you are working your story into the story itself, because again this does not sound like a well thought out plan that started in March of 68, which just so happens to fall on your induction date?
You are doing the Jo thing again. Induction was in March, the hypnosis was about two weeks later, on a Wednesday, because I missed the first scheduled meeting, let's say early April. Duane showed up around May and left probably around early Sept. I believe that is what I recently posted and I don't care to change it to fit your recollection just to be nice. I prefer my story. TOG and McCoy were scheming and plotting by themselves over in TOG's apartment and occasionally in the FBI SA's office downtown. I would suggest those conversations started in January or February since the purpose of the meet was to have McCoy, the maintanence caretaker fix the poor heat circulation in TOG's apartment. Two jumping pilots with identical interests.
why were you picked from Induction? why would the Government seek people out through this process? the Government has many ways in order to seek the right person out for a job such as this?
Mac was the investigator on my case. obviously. He was probably on it about the time of my phone conversation with Ms. Long about moving to Canada. He believed my story and tried to help the only way he could. As I said, he went out of his way to help people and is STILL doing it today.
what exactly was your position in all this?
McCoy described it as "His witness if anything went wrong." He said that TOG should do the same thing if he was smart. He did not. They chose not to use me in Mac's trial based on their read of the judge. Instead, they teamed up for another project with Walker, who the SA had put in prison. Stories are available to read on the internet as separate entities. It is Volume II in the true life story of Pentegon Warrant Officer McCoy. It is all on the internet too. So are Volumes III and IV. Tip of the iceberg, guys.
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BobKnoss 0
QuoteI used to have to spend money on blotter, but now I just read your post and feel as though I've bathed in acid.
Kudos
I know the feeling, with a saline rinse.
georger 244
QuoteQuade and All,
This thread needs a resolution to the problem of Bob Knoss.
Knoss does nothing but put out BS and then more BS on top of that.
He knows nothing about the Cooper hijacking or, apparently, anything else either.
Knoss is a total drag on this thread and that appears to be his whole purpose for being here.
How do we get his ass off the thread?
Why? You lack perspective. You werent here during
the early days of Jo Weber's stuff. Knoss is like
sheep grazing compared to that! It permanently
ruined Jo;s case ... as FBI SA Larry Carr can
personally testify.
Then comes "Billy the Blevins". Latest-greatest
sharp shooter and attack artist in the Dropzone
Truthwatch programme! But Blevins cant figure out
which end of the thing the truth thingie comes out
of! His best virtue is he doesnt mind blowing his own
head off - nightly. Shape shifters simply pull
whatever molecules are left back together, and post
30 seconds later anew - as if nothing had happened.
It would appear you like blood on the ground but
cant stand harmless fluff? Maybe get your fix in
some less destructive way?
Just ignore Knoss. You arent going anywhere anyway.
Knoss isnt damaging anyone but himself.
Why do you demand more? In a DB Cooper forum
no less - now that really is perverse!
QuoteQuade and All,
This thread needs a resolution to the problem of Bob Knoss.
Knoss does nothing but put out BS and then more BS on top of that.
He knows nothing about the Cooper hijacking or, apparently, anything else either.
Knoss is a total drag on this thread and that appears to be his whole purpose for being here.
How do we get his ass off the thread?
Coming to terms with Bob Knoss is part of the DB Cooper experience. Either what he says is true or not true, and we have to decide for ourselves.
If what he says is true, and that his recall is altered by the mind-control activities of MKULTRA-Bluebird AND his re-telling is hounded by fears of retribution, then I suggest that we need to explore his comments from those angles.
If what he says is not true, then his motivation for his ever-increasing postings here is fueled by another agenda.
Ultimately, we get to decide how to proceed.
Seeking clarity, I asked his wife what she thought of these commentaries, and she declined to comment. I asked Bob for the phone number for his attorney, as have many, and I have not received it yet. I also contacted Jim Rataczak, who was cautious and gentlemanly in his response, and although he did not give me any definitive statements about Bob's truthfulness, Jim did acknowledge that he knew Bob and they had discussed the skyjacking.
georger 244
QuoteQuoteQuade and All,
This thread needs a resolution to the problem of Bob Knoss.
Knoss does nothing but put out BS and then more BS on top of that.
He knows nothing about the Cooper hijacking or, apparently, anything else either.
Knoss is a total drag on this thread and that appears to be his whole purpose for being here.
How do we get his ass off the thread?
Coming to terms with Bob Knoss is part of the DB Cooper experience. Either what he says is true or not true, and we have to decide for ourselves.
If what he says is true, and that his recall is altered by the mind-control activities of MKULTRA-Bluebird AND his re-telling is hounded by fears of retribution, then I suggest that we need to explore his comments from those angles.
If what he says is not true, then his motivation for his ever-increasing postings here is fueled by another agenda.
Ultimately, we get to decide how to proceed.
Seeking clarity, I asked his wife what she thought of these commentaries, and she declined to comment. I asked Bob for the phone number for his attorney, as have many, and I have not received it yet. I also contacted Jim Rataczak, who was cautious and gentlemanly in his response, and although he did not give me any definitive statements about Bob's truthfulness, Jim did acknowledge that he knew Bob and they had discussed the skyjacking.
It might be worth noting, if you had something better
than Dropzonem you probably wouldnt be here at all.
Few rational people would.
That illuminates the real issues.
Quade has stated multiple times anyone is free to
go elsewhere if you want to -
Everyone here seems to understand that, and acts
accordingly as much as they dare, according to each
person's personal agenda.
Each person's personal agenda seems to rule much
of what goes on here, and nothing more. Personal
agendae are what drives virtually everyone here ...
in case you didn't know?
The only exception are those (who say!) they come
from God and a higher commission, financed by
some even more etherial (publisher?) - how else
can dirt-poor people become rockstars throwing
money and facts around ?
In that, I was sent here by Kisi Mu & the Oblivions.
I stated that the first day I was here.
I even have a photo of my commissioning at the
1997 Oblvions Symposium in Reuven, in case
Blevins and Gray and Kaye and Robert99 would like
to see it ?
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It's hard not to respond to nutty stuff like the chest mount reserve being jury rigged (with "cords and lots of knots") to be mounted on Cooper's back and then being deployed after a ten second delay. This could only be dreamed up by someone who had zero chute and jumping experience. It's actually kinda funny to anyone who jumps. It's like a group of pilots or aero engineers being told that somebody flew from NY to Paris in a home made jet using a couple of vacuum cleaners and a lot of batteries.
BK without endless responses isn't much of a bother. I favor free speech, even if it is looney.
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Robert99 50
QuoteI dont think banning BK would be right. Its very easy to minimize his impact by reducing the level of engagement.
It's hard not to respond to nutty stuff like the chest mount reserve being jury rigged (with "cords and lots of knots") to be mounted on Cooper's back and then being deployed after a ten second delay. This could only be dreamed up by someone who had zero chute and jumping experience. It's actually kinda funny to anyone who jumps. It's like a group of pilots or aero engineers being told that somebody flew from NY to Paris in a home made jet using a couple of vacuum cleaners and a lot of batteries.
BK without endless responses isn't much of a bother. I favor free speech, even if it is looney.
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Should we all take an oath to never respond to a post by Knoss?
smokin99 0
QuoteThere is an easy way to prove or disprove Knoss' entire story about DB Cooper. Is he willing to face it?
One of the major points of his story involves the Vietnam draft. He received a notice. He was a draft dodger and supposedly recruited from there.
Knowing that his answer can be checked easily, I ask Knoss to provide one simple thing:
Your birthday. Not the year you were born, not your address or any personal information.
Just your birthday.
I will start. I was born on March 17th.
There is also something else. Didn't you say you were sent your induction notice BEFORE 1970?
That is impossible, since the first drawing wasn't even held until December of 1969, for people being called up for 1970.Quote'A lottery drawing - the first since 1942 - was held on December 1, 1969, at Selective Service National Headquarters in Washington, D.C. This event determined the order of call for induction during calendar year 1970; that is, for registrants born between January 1, 1944, and December 31, 1950...'
This is from the Selective Service System's own website. You cannot have been called up before January 1970 at the earliest.
Before you go any further with your claims Mr Knoss, you should consider this: Saying you were called when you were not, and then never serving to boot, is a shameful thing if it's true. It insults those who WERE called during that era, and those whose names are now on the Wall.
I want you examine your conscience and listen to what it is telling you now, before you start hitting that keyboard. Maybe a character check is in order.
Your birthday...unless you are afraid to reveal it. Mine is St. Paddy's Day.
Ummm....You didn't read far enough. The lottery drawing was just a mechanism for the order drawn. Supposed to be more fair.
The selective service induction system has been going on continuously since 1940 (except 1947) until it was ended in 1973. During Vietnam induction statistics are as follows:
Vietnam: (Aug 1964- Feb 1973) 1,857,304
From Same web site you posted:
A lottery drawing - the first since 1942 - was held on December 1, 1969, at Selective Service National Headquarters in Washington, D.C. This event determined the order of call for induction during calendar year 1970; that is, for registrants born between January 1, 1944, and December 31, 1950. Reinstitution of the lottery was a change from the "draft the oldest man first" method, which had been the determining method for deciding order of call.
President Franklin Roosevelt signed the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940 which created the country's first peacetime draft and formally established the Selective Service System as an independent Federal agency.
From 1948 until 1973, during both peacetime and periods of conflict, men were drafted to fill vacancies in the armed forces which could not be filled through voluntary means.
In 1973, the draft ended and the U.S. converted to an All-Volunteer military.
More info here.....http://www.sss.gov/HIST.HTM
BobKnoss 0
How do we get his ass off the thread?"
Might I suggest that we jointly investigate those areas I claim to be windows of truth and see what lies beneath the BS? You have yet to pursue any of my claims. MrShutter is the only poster with enough balls to ask civil questions. Simply prove my answers right or wrong. Simply saying it is BS is not a conclusion to the debate. There is false information and there is a little truth. Hard to conduct a fair snowball fight when only one side has a snow-machine. Examine the crab in the flight path I claim. Those facts can't be covered up. Look up the history of the Brighaham Young Medallion. in McCoy's own biography. Check Tenent's statements about McCoy being rehired. Read the facts of O'Hara and Walker from start to finish.... finish when he shot a John Doe corpse to put McCoy in undercover business as Captain Tommy Gunn, underworld Cop. His arresting a boat full of Bosses and Capos on a river cruise with tape recorders.
Then the unbelievable stuff starts. Just try the little ones with me. It will be fun. I have 100% confidence, because like a good procecuter, I know the answers before I ask them. Don't have a closed mind. Let me hang myself since you are so sure that is what will happen. I think you are afraid the the truth is too much like the sunshine. It just keeps on shining and coming back for more. Global warming has come, my friends. Time to melt some ice.
BobKnoss 0
More than one, guy. Try doing a REAL investigation on the REAL Brigham Young Medallion with McCoy's initials on the back. Since he was your no. 1 suspect anyway, you should already have the facts immediately at hand. Try being honest for a while. Mac says OK, go ahead!!! DO IT!!
than Dropzonem you probably wouldnt be here at all.
Few rational people would.
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Ahem, Georger, wouldn't we be known as Dropzonim? Just asking. Good yontiv.
Robert99 50
QuoteIn that, I was sent here by Kisi Mu & the Oblivions.
I stated that the first day I was here.
I even have a photo of my commissioning at the
1997 Oblvions Symposium in Reuven, in case
Blevins and Gray and Kaye and Robert99 would like
to see it ?
Just finish the glass in the the picture and get a good nights sleep. You'll feel better tonight and maybe tomorrow as well.
QuoteThe cover had an X on it, not the canopy. Where did you ever come up with that? This is sounding like Jo, all jumbled up.
I have KINDLY asked you to leave me OUT of your posts and accusations and your ridiculous delusions. The only thing that had a X on it was one of the front packs (you do NOT even know the difference between a front pack and back pack per a post several pages ago).
Tell your garbage - but LEAVE me and leave Duane out of it. You never knew Duane and if you did it was from Jail! If you knew Duane then you knew Vern and Elmer.
Now chew on that one for awhile and I hope you Choke on it!
P.S. I have in writing where you claimed the guy at the collections place for the front pack was in on this and Coopers boots were in the pack marked with an X. I told you then HOW ridiculous you were being - because they had NO idea where they would be getting those front packs.
Good Bye!
QuoteI also contacted Jim Rataczak, who was cautious and gentlemanly in his response, and although he did not give me any definitive statements about Bob's truthfulness, Jim did acknowledge that he knew Bob and they had discussed the skyjacking.
Rataczak is gracious as he has always been - never says anything bad about anyone.
I would really like to meet him someday. How is he doing and how is his wife doing - they were both having a hard time last yr and why I do NOT bother him.
mrshutter45 21
I'm like many others finding it hard to believe that she could see the back of the plane so well? I live very close (about 7 miles) to Ft Lauderdale airport and the planes are at a couple thousand feet if that, not far from my home, I have looked many times during the nite and can't see anything but a shadow (Silhouette) of the plane? even when it has a light under the back tail.
and if he did have flares, I could understand that some light would be on the stairwell, but then where did he get the flares if the bomb was made of red wood dowels as you explained in the past?
Flares leave a smoke trail, one would think that some of this would have made it's way into the plane and then the cabin, possibly causing them to become alarmed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktyVuF0H5Ds&feature=related
HUH?? You think there was no draft? The LOTTERY was simply a drawing to create pre-determined induction dates for everyone left. A LeMay thing??? I though you were at least HS educated. Now I question a GED. 3-15-43 That's March, the Ides of March, Brutus. I was the last one on the list for our county. They had to make a quota, if you care to learn the truth here. You need to study up if you are going to keep up. Don't want any laggers around. Now you're even raising the flag to discredit me? Shameful!! Very easy to be right all the time, I just tell the truth and don't worry about getting caught up like you in your web of lies. VERY comfortable feeling!!
Side question.... Do you own a Dali print of Gayla? I might stlll have some. Little controversy on when these were signed.
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