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" It is my opinion he knows EVERYTHING and it goes deep.
seems to me if you were both involved in this, that part of the sentence should be worded differently?
seems to me if you were both involved in this, that part of the sentence should be worded differently?
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
BobKnoss 0
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"You obviously have mental and emotional problems."
Only in your mind, Sir. I check out just fine other than shoes that are a little too narrow for my wide spreading feet. You need to study the winds and headings of 305 and the trailing airliner in a little more depth. Since my information came from the cockpit of 305, I can assure you that I am not trying to lead you down a golden KC path. The crab is a fact and you can do the math to expose it. Unless your job is to cover it up.....
Knoss, your reply supports my conclusions about your mental and emotional health.
I have done an indepth analysis of the flight path and dynamics of NWA 305. It convinces me that you are still nuts.
Then, Sir, you are inept. It happened as I state, right from the man's mouth.
377 22
A guy is driving around the Washougal woods and he sees a sign in front of a broken down shanty-style house: 'Talking Dog For Sale He rings the bell and the owner appears and tells him the dog is in the backyard.
The guy goes into the backyard and sees a nice looking Labrador retriever sitting there.
"You talk?" he asks.
"Yes I do," the Lab replies.
After the guy recovers from the shock of hearing a dog talk, he says "So, what's your story?"
The Lab looks up and says, "Well, I discovered that I could talk when I was pretty young. The CIA found out and told me I had two choices: I could play ball with them or get sent to Viet Nam to work with the Tunnel Rats. I chose the former.
In no time at all they had me hanging out with spies and world leaders, because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping. I was also the record keeper for a number of covert and illegal domestic ops.
But the work and the pressure really tired me out. I knew I wasn't getting any younger so I decided to settle down. I got married, had a mess of puppies, and now I'm just retired."
The guy is amazed. He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for the dog.
"Ten dollars," the guy says.
"Ten dollars? This dog is amazing! Why on earth are you selling him so cheap?"
"He told you those CIA stories?"
'Yes he did, what an amazing life that dog has lived"
"I'm selling him because he's a bullshitter. He's never been out of the yard."
377
The guy goes into the backyard and sees a nice looking Labrador retriever sitting there.
"You talk?" he asks.
"Yes I do," the Lab replies.
After the guy recovers from the shock of hearing a dog talk, he says "So, what's your story?"
The Lab looks up and says, "Well, I discovered that I could talk when I was pretty young. The CIA found out and told me I had two choices: I could play ball with them or get sent to Viet Nam to work with the Tunnel Rats. I chose the former.
In no time at all they had me hanging out with spies and world leaders, because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping. I was also the record keeper for a number of covert and illegal domestic ops.
But the work and the pressure really tired me out. I knew I wasn't getting any younger so I decided to settle down. I got married, had a mess of puppies, and now I'm just retired."
The guy is amazed. He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for the dog.
"Ten dollars," the guy says.
"Ten dollars? This dog is amazing! Why on earth are you selling him so cheap?"
"He told you those CIA stories?"
'Yes he did, what an amazing life that dog has lived"
"I'm selling him because he's a bullshitter. He's never been out of the yard."
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
BobKnoss 0
Quote" It is my opinion he knows EVERYTHING and it goes deep.
seems to me if you were both involved in this, that part of the sentence should be worded differently?
It is a legal statement. I can have an opinion, I can not claim a fact that challenges his character. It has to be worded that way. Ask 377.
BobKnoss 0
"The guy goes into the backyard and sees a nice looking Labrador retriever sitting there."
Ya know what? That is actually right on the money!! Good shot, 377! I don't know if BS is the right analogy though.
Ya know what? That is actually right on the money!! Good shot, 377! I don't know if BS is the right analogy though.
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So Crabbing, altering the flight path has been proven false.
Matt
Jesus, Matt! If a pilot pretends he is flying into a wind which is not really there, and plots a compensating course, he is CRABBING into a fake wind. The result is a flight path alteration from his plot to a real location. GET IT??? If in fact, there is a countering wind that is real, and blowing him in the direction he is actually flying, then his true speed and direction are altered, RIGHT???? THAT is what was done to put the plane on a course different that what was recorded. If you could check radar recordings it would be there. IF you could find radar recordings. GET IT?????? Crabbing. FAKE crabbing. Pretend crabbing.
If the nose of the plane is pointed "down wind" and the plane is now flying with a rear quartering or tail wind, it is closer to "running".
Your Crabbing term does not fit the actions of the plane and its flight path, nor reality of AVN.
But, for reasonable discussion purposes only, if the pilot did run with the wind, it would increase his airspeed, as well as ground speed. How would it at several tons be affected more than the light weight placard?
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
Quote"The guy goes into the backyard and sees a nice looking Labrador retriever sitting there."
Ya know what? That is actually right on the money!! Good shot, 377! I don't know if BS is the right analogy though.
Finally, truth.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
BobKnoss 0
Your Crabbing term does not fit the actions of the plane and its flight path, nor reality of AVN.
Right. It is Faking a recorded path and flying an altered path.
But, for reasonable discussion purposes only, if the pilot did run with the wind, it would increase his airspeed, as well as ground speed. How would it at several tons be affected more than the light weight placard?
Assuming facts not in evidence. The plane is going to actually be further west than the navigator records. Actually 35 miles west of the FBI search area. Per Cook and TOG. This is the story told to an SA at a party by TOG and ignored. Ignor the placard, too. That was a later incident, no one saw it drop, only claimed the found location. No proof. Familiar? A PLANT!
Matt
Right. It is Faking a recorded path and flying an altered path.
But, for reasonable discussion purposes only, if the pilot did run with the wind, it would increase his airspeed, as well as ground speed. How would it at several tons be affected more than the light weight placard?
Assuming facts not in evidence. The plane is going to actually be further west than the navigator records. Actually 35 miles west of the FBI search area. Per Cook and TOG. This is the story told to an SA at a party by TOG and ignored. Ignor the placard, too. That was a later incident, no one saw it drop, only claimed the found location. No proof. Familiar? A PLANT!
Matt
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Your Crabbing term does not fit the actions of the plane and its flight path, nor reality of AVN.
Right. It is Faking a recorded path and flying an altered path.
But, for reasonable discussion purposes only, if the pilot did run with the wind, it would increase his airspeed, as well as ground speed. How would it at several tons be affected more than the light weight placard?
Assuming facts not in evidenceit is your "fact". The plane is going to actually be further west than the navigator records. Actually 35 miles west of the FBI search area. Per Cook and TOG. Ignor the placard. That was a later incident, no one saw it drop, only claimed the found location. No proof. Familiar?
Matt
Actually the placard is a physical piece of evidence, it can't be ignored. Now add it to the actual tracks showing the actual flight path and your offset path is not possible. These items are in evidence, nothing else is on this part of the subject.
Kind of like a person seeing some one on a ramp of a half lowered stair well, at near 2.5 miles away, in the dark, with weather in the area.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
mrshutter45 21
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Your Crabbing term does not fit the actions of the plane and its flight path, nor reality of AVN.
Right. It is Faking a recorded path and flying an altered path.
But, for reasonable discussion purposes only, if the pilot did run with the wind, it would increase his airspeed, as well as ground speed. How would it at several tons be affected more than the light weight placard?
Assuming facts not in evidence. The plane is going to actually be further west than the navigator records. Actually 35 miles west of the FBI search area. Per Cook and TOG. Ignor the placard. That was a later incident, no one saw it drop, only claimed the found location. No proof. Familiar?
Matt
didn't see Matt's post until after mine, let the record also show 2.5 miles away!
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
377 22
Nobody has more experience watching people on the exterior of aircraft than skydivers. When we are on the ground and hear a plane on jump run we usually look up.
Janet's story about seeing a person on the 727 stairs is simply not credible. Just a reminder.
As I recall Georger backed this up with some Rayleigh's criteria and aperture analysis.
I just know from experience what you can and can't resolve visually. I've watched a few hundred 14,000 ft jet exits from the ground and thousands of exits from prop aircraft at altitudes ranging from 2800 ft to 24,000 feet.
377
Janet's story about seeing a person on the 727 stairs is simply not credible. Just a reminder.
As I recall Georger backed this up with some Rayleigh's criteria and aperture analysis.
I just know from experience what you can and can't resolve visually. I've watched a few hundred 14,000 ft jet exits from the ground and thousands of exits from prop aircraft at altitudes ranging from 2800 ft to 24,000 feet.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
BobKnoss 0
QuoteNobody has more experience watching people on the exterior of aircraft than skydivers. When we are on the ground and hear a plane on jump run we usually look up.
Janet's story about seeing a person on the 727 stairs is simply not credible. Just a reminder.
I acknowledged that, 377.
As I recall Georger backed this up with some Rayleigh's criteria and aperture analysis.
I just know from experience what you can and can't resolve visually. I've watched a few hundred 14,000 ft jet exits from the ground and thousands of exits from prop aircraft at altitudes ranging from 2800 ft to 24,000 feet.
377
BobKnoss 0
Matt
YUP! Read Ralph, guys. PLUS Mac told me the same thing on the phone. Good enough???? Good!
didn't see Matt's post until after mine, let the record also show 2.5 miles away!
At 45°, distance is not 2.5 miles for 10,000 ft, Einstein. That's LINE of SIGHT! It's less than 2 miles distance and less than 2 miles elevation. It is impossible to discuss anything with Matt because he can't understand it. He has his crew duties that get in the way all the time. If you can't win with facts, then bury 'em in BS. I get the facts on the table and the subject changes to a dead topic with the same old line. Sorry, Matt. You are out of chances. You burned your bridge. See ya.
Knoss, your reply supports my conclusions about your mental and emotional health.
I have done an indepth analysis of the flight path and dynamics of NWA 305. It convinces me that you are still nuts.
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