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QuoteGeorger: You seem openly hostile to new members and only seem to offer one piece of advice, to RTFF. And perhaps that would be good advice were it not for the singular fact that this forum consists of one single topic that consists of over a thousand pages. If you want everyone to RTFF, then perhaps YOU should develop a forum with multiple subject headings that woud allow new users to get caught up to your vastly superior position of knowledge. Perhaps a section on the cooper money, or the weather of pacific northwest? Or the flight placard that was found? At the very least it would help narrow my search down. I hereby officially assign you homework for the upcoming weekend. DESIGN a better forum.
Robert99: Thank you for the suggestion. I will check out the website. I find appeal of such cases as Jack the Ripper D.B Cooper, the zodiac killer and others like the Viscilla Axe murders to be quite intriguing in that they could very well have been solved had things been done right at the time.
airtwardo: thank you for your commments.
BobKnoss: Read about you in skyjack. . .would really like to see your screensaver.
What is RTFF ? Translation pse. Ordinary English will
suffice here.
I have no control whatever over the content or length
and breadth of this thread. 99% of this thread is
spurious to the Cooper case.
The issues currently at question are very
specific and easily understood at Mr Kaye's site:
http://www.citizensleuths.com/Log-in.html?return=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5jaXRpemVuc2xldXRocy
5jb20v
No login required - just click the headings for content.
So in essence there is your "single website with
multiple subject headings that would allow new
users to get caught up." This website is much easier
to navigate for some vs. Sluggo's website. And
Sluggo's site is not current..
One thing you should try and read is Robert99's
analysis of the FBI flight path, on Sluggo's website.
That work is unparalleled and a standard.
Again the primary issues at stake are stated on
Tom's site in an organised manner. Tom presents
the standing issues pretty well in my opinion.
Thats the best I can offer.
You should also want to search and read posts here
by Farflung and Hominid.
Its a large repertoir to tackle.
mrshutter45 21
"Tom's claims are just not credible."
Bob's claims are not credible either! at least Tom has evidence, what do you have? a two door Ford facing west!
Bob's claims are not credible either! at least Tom has evidence, what do you have? a two door Ford facing west!
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
RTFF: Read the F$%^ing Forum.
mrshutter45 21
anything in a metal can (milk can) for that many years would have rusted and leaked! I would say it would take a massive wash out in order to pull it out from the earths suction, that close to the river would make the ground very moist causing more damage to the (milk can) as each year passed, not plausible!!
Despite its uses in storing and transporting milk, milk cans had a few faults. Milk cans lacked insulation, so on warm days the milk would start to sour in the can. There wasn't an adequate covering for the milk cans. the milk can was used for transporting milk and not meant to be submerged!
Even in 1971 milk cans were considered "Old School" and were rarely used by farmers, if one was found on a farm, it was probably already rusted in in disrepair.
in 1938, the first farm bulk tanks began to pick up the milk from farmer. That development sounded the death knell for the utilitarian milk can
Despite its uses in storing and transporting milk, milk cans had a few faults. Milk cans lacked insulation, so on warm days the milk would start to sour in the can. There wasn't an adequate covering for the milk cans. the milk can was used for transporting milk and not meant to be submerged!
Even in 1971 milk cans were considered "Old School" and were rarely used by farmers, if one was found on a farm, it was probably already rusted in in disrepair.
in 1938, the first farm bulk tanks began to pick up the milk from farmer. That development sounded the death knell for the utilitarian milk can
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
1979 Duane and I make a trip to Seattle and Duane makes a stop in Salt Lake City. We had both seen Salt Lake and I had not wish to revisit it.
Duane sets me up to take the attached photo - but I never knew why. A man in Salt Lake City who worked out of the visitors center.
We spend that first night in The Dalles which was his target. He disappears for 5 1/2 hours the next morning - returning soiled and 15 min after Check out.
He tells me about people he knew in Biggs and Rufus - I even have their names now. I was told this store did NOT exist and Mattie didn't exist nor did her nephew exist, but in 2010 I found they did exist.
Everything he told me about The Dalles was exactly as he told me and the fire dept had a museum and what he told me about that Fire Dept. puts Weber in WA during the late 40's.
My accounting of this trip is detailed in the thread many time.
Yet, there are those who dispute this trip. Yet, I told this to the FBI and to Himmelsbach during those first 4 yrs before I went public.
While in Seattle he disappears for a complete afternoon returning to our hotel and we are late getting to the Awards Banquet. He was giddy and he had not been drinking and he was not with the other guys.
On our way back to Vancouver he makes several stops which I have outlined in prior post.
As we crossed into Portland headed East - he turns around after making several strange comments and showing me things (all out lined in this thread many times).
We head instead to Tahoe - and he was in several casinos depositing me at an exit and telling me to be there when he got back. We never spent more than a few minutes in each casino. I now think he was WASHING money and the stops since they all relate to the crime locations - one across from the PDX and then at a big TANK on the river and then West where he again gets out of the car and goes to the river ordering me to stay in the car (trees and some kind of shed down by the water) -that he would be just a few minutes. The final stop in Vancouver was THE RED LION and at that time he threw a paper sack into the water. He makes sure I am kept busy telling me to get us some snacks and tells me exactly where the rest rooms and machine were located.
There was a side trip off of the I-4 when he crossed a bridge - I would not remember this until I went to WA on my own in 2010 and after crossing that bridge there was the store we stopped at and the large Yard there. The place had changed very little and he drove me down to a small town along the river on the Oregon side and then back to the bridge we crossed over before. This was before we got to Vancouver.
After we had married in 1978 he wakes with a terrible nightmare.
"I left my prints on the AFT stair - I am going to die" He lets out a blood courdling scream. I knew nothing about Cooper, but when I asked him what the AFT stair where - he told me it the stairway in a county jail. THis was the 1st I knew about Duane having ever been in jail. He dismissed it as a couple of months in a county jail because he and a couple of guys got into something they should not have.
I swallowed this story hook and sinker - he never told me he was in prison and I now know that AFT stairs are NOT in county jail houses or prisons.
Our trip to Salt Lake and Seattle and Tahoe are the next yrs 1979 around the end of Sept. This is when he made all of his STOPS.
There were lots of other places between The Dalles and Seattle he took me to and all of these indicate he had spent a LOT of time in the area. He never looked at a map the first time.
While in Seattle we had to go to a banquet away from the Hotel site and they gave us a map. When Duane is going there I tell him that is out of our way. He tells me that the road we are taking will go back to the highway we were supposed to be on. We end up behind the Airport and the first thing he say is " I don't remember that fence".
He does not mention Cooper or the skyjacking. He does mention a building to our Left that was offices - he told me it used to be a motel. Now yrs later I find the fence that was there in 1979 and the one that was there in 1971 are different. The chain link was put up after the skyjacking. The old fence was what appeared to be wood and low.
In 1980 they papers are plastered with the Cooper find of the money. Duane resigns his job (making great money) and leaves me in Ft. Collins with a daughter graduating in May and her birthday party coming up. His resignation is dated the day after the money find was announced. He leave 4 wks later only after asking me to ride with him to a town in another state. He has his brief case - he is not licensed in that state. He had been emphatic we had to get there before 3 Pm. He tells me to say in the car and a few moments later he is back in the car and we head back to CO. He went to a bank - just told me he had to see a man about some business. I now believe he opened a safe deposit box in that bank and paid it forward for 10 yrs. Because in 1990 he goes back there after risking his freedom to obtain a John Collins ID. Things showed up I had never seen. This is when the Sea-Tac stub showed up, a book of matches, Mickey, A couple of magazines - which he blew his top about when I threw them away before he died. Also this thing - that I would later learn was part of a parachute - but I didn't know this until I sold it in 1995 at a garage sale after Duane died. The man who bought it told me what it was.
At that time I puzzled why Duane would have an attachment for a parchute. Also in the garage was alarge jar - with some kind of contraption in it...Duane told me never to throw it away. I still do not know what was in that jar.
Duane broke his leg in the early part of 1994. I wanted to clean out an old 1990 file from the shop. He told me he would do it later. I persisted and dumped the entire contents of the box and started to sort things out. There was an old airline ticket and I read it out loud - he just said it was an old ticket and had no meaning. Later he would ask me what I did with that ticket. I thought maybe I had put it in the throw away things, but since he seemed upset - I went to the garage and when thru every item I had removed from the box (they had not been mixed up with the regular trash as I had put them in a plastic bag. I told hhim it wasn't there and it was probably in the box. He tells me he will get it later.
A couple of days later I am putting his clothes away as I away did when I did the laundry.
He said he would put them away later, but he has a cast on his leg and I proceed to do my job.
There is that airline ticket! He had retrived it. I never saw it again.
Then in late 1994 I had a garage sale and had one of the workers he had use help me. I had to take Duane to diaylsis and when we got back she asked me about a book that was not a book and what was in it - DUANE eemphatically told her it was not for say and to set it aside.
Later that evening Duane would ask me to retrive it - it was not there. He said he would ask the girl about it tomorrow. Duane was visibly upset. Over a yr after Duane died and I had found out who DAN COOPER was - I called this girl but she had no memory of the box (she had a problem).
Duane told me in the hospital 11 days before he died he was DAN Coooooper, but I didn't know who Dan Cooooper was. I didn't understand what he was talking about.
One yr and 2 months later I learn purely by accident - D.B. Cooper was Dan Cooper. I really wish I had not. I was trying to let a suitor down gently and the book on widowhood said if you meet a guy you do not want to be romantically involved with but wanted to keep him as a friend to start talking about your deceased. I did and he asked me if I ever thought my husband could have been D.B. Cooper.
Two wks later I check a book out of the library and learn in the first few page that D.B. Cooper had called himself Dan Cooper. This was the first knowledge I ever had of this - I was on the phone to the FBI on that night May 24 1996 - the rest is history and it has been the worse 16 yrs of my life.
The FBI dissed me, but I thought Himmelsbach was telling them what I told him - he had only gave them a letter someone helped me put together and copies of the ID's and what was in the hidden Wallet I did NOT find in the Van I sold after Duane died. The new owner called me and told me had my husband's wallet and I replied I have my husband's wallet. A few days later he would deliver this wallet to me. It was my husband, but the ID in the wallet was for John C. Collins. The finder claimed nothing else was in it. Why did he tell me 2 different stories - one on the phone and then when he delivered the wallet tell me he hadn't looked in it when I asked what was in it. I won't go into details with this - but something was fishy.
Oh, Well - NO one believes me, but surely as I sit here telling this story again - I have changed nothing. Tried of trying to get someone to hear me and to REALLY investigate the background of Weber....I decided to do what I could do myself. The FBI did NOT investigate Duane Weber and John Collins and if they did they sure missed a lot.
I posted Duane's work history and that of a wife during the 60's all the way to 1972. How does a man go from making less than 2K in 1971 buy 2 new cars and divorce and remarry and buy a new house and make lots of expensive improvements. He even loaned his boss 5K on a note.
Duane sets me up to take the attached photo - but I never knew why. A man in Salt Lake City who worked out of the visitors center.
We spend that first night in The Dalles which was his target. He disappears for 5 1/2 hours the next morning - returning soiled and 15 min after Check out.
He tells me about people he knew in Biggs and Rufus - I even have their names now. I was told this store did NOT exist and Mattie didn't exist nor did her nephew exist, but in 2010 I found they did exist.
Everything he told me about The Dalles was exactly as he told me and the fire dept had a museum and what he told me about that Fire Dept. puts Weber in WA during the late 40's.
My accounting of this trip is detailed in the thread many time.
Yet, there are those who dispute this trip. Yet, I told this to the FBI and to Himmelsbach during those first 4 yrs before I went public.
While in Seattle he disappears for a complete afternoon returning to our hotel and we are late getting to the Awards Banquet. He was giddy and he had not been drinking and he was not with the other guys.
On our way back to Vancouver he makes several stops which I have outlined in prior post.
As we crossed into Portland headed East - he turns around after making several strange comments and showing me things (all out lined in this thread many times).
We head instead to Tahoe - and he was in several casinos depositing me at an exit and telling me to be there when he got back. We never spent more than a few minutes in each casino. I now think he was WASHING money and the stops since they all relate to the crime locations - one across from the PDX and then at a big TANK on the river and then West where he again gets out of the car and goes to the river ordering me to stay in the car (trees and some kind of shed down by the water) -that he would be just a few minutes. The final stop in Vancouver was THE RED LION and at that time he threw a paper sack into the water. He makes sure I am kept busy telling me to get us some snacks and tells me exactly where the rest rooms and machine were located.
There was a side trip off of the I-4 when he crossed a bridge - I would not remember this until I went to WA on my own in 2010 and after crossing that bridge there was the store we stopped at and the large Yard there. The place had changed very little and he drove me down to a small town along the river on the Oregon side and then back to the bridge we crossed over before. This was before we got to Vancouver.
After we had married in 1978 he wakes with a terrible nightmare.
"I left my prints on the AFT stair - I am going to die" He lets out a blood courdling scream. I knew nothing about Cooper, but when I asked him what the AFT stair where - he told me it the stairway in a county jail. THis was the 1st I knew about Duane having ever been in jail. He dismissed it as a couple of months in a county jail because he and a couple of guys got into something they should not have.
I swallowed this story hook and sinker - he never told me he was in prison and I now know that AFT stairs are NOT in county jail houses or prisons.
Our trip to Salt Lake and Seattle and Tahoe are the next yrs 1979 around the end of Sept. This is when he made all of his STOPS.
There were lots of other places between The Dalles and Seattle he took me to and all of these indicate he had spent a LOT of time in the area. He never looked at a map the first time.
While in Seattle we had to go to a banquet away from the Hotel site and they gave us a map. When Duane is going there I tell him that is out of our way. He tells me that the road we are taking will go back to the highway we were supposed to be on. We end up behind the Airport and the first thing he say is " I don't remember that fence".
He does not mention Cooper or the skyjacking. He does mention a building to our Left that was offices - he told me it used to be a motel. Now yrs later I find the fence that was there in 1979 and the one that was there in 1971 are different. The chain link was put up after the skyjacking. The old fence was what appeared to be wood and low.
In 1980 they papers are plastered with the Cooper find of the money. Duane resigns his job (making great money) and leaves me in Ft. Collins with a daughter graduating in May and her birthday party coming up. His resignation is dated the day after the money find was announced. He leave 4 wks later only after asking me to ride with him to a town in another state. He has his brief case - he is not licensed in that state. He had been emphatic we had to get there before 3 Pm. He tells me to say in the car and a few moments later he is back in the car and we head back to CO. He went to a bank - just told me he had to see a man about some business. I now believe he opened a safe deposit box in that bank and paid it forward for 10 yrs. Because in 1990 he goes back there after risking his freedom to obtain a John Collins ID. Things showed up I had never seen. This is when the Sea-Tac stub showed up, a book of matches, Mickey, A couple of magazines - which he blew his top about when I threw them away before he died. Also this thing - that I would later learn was part of a parachute - but I didn't know this until I sold it in 1995 at a garage sale after Duane died. The man who bought it told me what it was.
At that time I puzzled why Duane would have an attachment for a parchute. Also in the garage was alarge jar - with some kind of contraption in it...Duane told me never to throw it away. I still do not know what was in that jar.
Duane broke his leg in the early part of 1994. I wanted to clean out an old 1990 file from the shop. He told me he would do it later. I persisted and dumped the entire contents of the box and started to sort things out. There was an old airline ticket and I read it out loud - he just said it was an old ticket and had no meaning. Later he would ask me what I did with that ticket. I thought maybe I had put it in the throw away things, but since he seemed upset - I went to the garage and when thru every item I had removed from the box (they had not been mixed up with the regular trash as I had put them in a plastic bag. I told hhim it wasn't there and it was probably in the box. He tells me he will get it later.
A couple of days later I am putting his clothes away as I away did when I did the laundry.
He said he would put them away later, but he has a cast on his leg and I proceed to do my job.
There is that airline ticket! He had retrived it. I never saw it again.
Then in late 1994 I had a garage sale and had one of the workers he had use help me. I had to take Duane to diaylsis and when we got back she asked me about a book that was not a book and what was in it - DUANE eemphatically told her it was not for say and to set it aside.
Later that evening Duane would ask me to retrive it - it was not there. He said he would ask the girl about it tomorrow. Duane was visibly upset. Over a yr after Duane died and I had found out who DAN COOPER was - I called this girl but she had no memory of the box (she had a problem).
Duane told me in the hospital 11 days before he died he was DAN Coooooper, but I didn't know who Dan Cooooper was. I didn't understand what he was talking about.
One yr and 2 months later I learn purely by accident - D.B. Cooper was Dan Cooper. I really wish I had not. I was trying to let a suitor down gently and the book on widowhood said if you meet a guy you do not want to be romantically involved with but wanted to keep him as a friend to start talking about your deceased. I did and he asked me if I ever thought my husband could have been D.B. Cooper.
Two wks later I check a book out of the library and learn in the first few page that D.B. Cooper had called himself Dan Cooper. This was the first knowledge I ever had of this - I was on the phone to the FBI on that night May 24 1996 - the rest is history and it has been the worse 16 yrs of my life.
The FBI dissed me, but I thought Himmelsbach was telling them what I told him - he had only gave them a letter someone helped me put together and copies of the ID's and what was in the hidden Wallet I did NOT find in the Van I sold after Duane died. The new owner called me and told me had my husband's wallet and I replied I have my husband's wallet. A few days later he would deliver this wallet to me. It was my husband, but the ID in the wallet was for John C. Collins. The finder claimed nothing else was in it. Why did he tell me 2 different stories - one on the phone and then when he delivered the wallet tell me he hadn't looked in it when I asked what was in it. I won't go into details with this - but something was fishy.
Oh, Well - NO one believes me, but surely as I sit here telling this story again - I have changed nothing. Tried of trying to get someone to hear me and to REALLY investigate the background of Weber....I decided to do what I could do myself. The FBI did NOT investigate Duane Weber and John Collins and if they did they sure missed a lot.
I posted Duane's work history and that of a wife during the 60's all the way to 1972. How does a man go from making less than 2K in 1971 buy 2 new cars and divorce and remarry and buy a new house and make lots of expensive improvements. He even loaned his boss 5K on a note.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
Has there been any consideration for the world's recent climate change? The weather I knew of back in the 80's is not the same as it is now. Could that be affecting the way rivers flow? I would appreciate just straight forward answers to my questions and not insults or snarkiness please.
The short answer is "Yes," Global Climate Change has altered rain patterns in the Pacific Northwest, and thus, river flows.
The more complete answer, though, is more difficult to convey; especially in teasing out how it may have impacted the transport of Cooper money to Tina's Bar from a point in the east.
In general, the climate effects are mostly localized, such as flooding in individual river valleys, which has greatly increased.
To whit: the Director of the Department of Emergency Managament of Pierce County told me that costs from flood damage have increased about 20% on average per year over the past 4-5 years. I have written about the governmental response to this dynamic when I was a newspaper reporter for the Eatonville (WA) Dispatch. Other journalists have covered this story as well, and the local joke is that we have a 1-in-a-100 year storm every couple of years or so. In fact, the Pierce County Council just voted to form a flood zone district with its own taxing power even though the council is 5-2 Republican, and folks on high ground are screaming.
That said, the most logical river to deliver money to Tina's Bar is the Washougal, but I do not know of its flood history circa 1971-1980. However, others here do, and I hope they share the specifics.
But that requires the money to get into the Washougal watershed before its wash-down, and that has a multitude of problems, not the least of which is the truthfulness of Bill Rataczak in his description of the flight path. Ralph Himmelsbach is on record as saying that Rataczak told him that 305 flew over the Washougal and not Victor 23. However, when I asked Bill to confirm, he was evasive and said he couldn't remember where he was that night.
That kind of waffling on basic information drives much of what is written here, and lays the foundation for Bob Knoss' audience.
As for gathering the facts of the case in a comprehensive fashion - that is my goal in my upcoming book: The Hunt for DB Cooper - The Resurgent Investigation into America's Only Unsolved Skyjacking, although many here desire that I find a title with a bit more punch, such as "Denuded DB Cooper - The Facts of the FBI's Bungling of America's Only Unsolved Skyjacking Stripped Totally Naked!"
Pant....ahem....
Time Fighter, you clearly have a cognitive octane rating well in the 100s, so I hope you read Sluggo's account of the skyjacking, and mine, in the near future. I would think we could then take this conversation to the next level.
that's Timewarrior. And yes I would like to read both sluggo's and your account. I will attempt to peruse sluggo's this weekend if I get a spare moment. Your book sounds interesting as well. will it include all the known suspects and the pros and cons of each?
mrshutter45 21
The Columbia River has a long history of flooding. Flood stage for the river,
as routinely measured near the Port of Vancouver, is 16 feet. It was recently
exceeded in May-June 2011.
The following are the 20 highest historical crests of the Columbia, as well as
what you can expect when the river reaches certain levels.
All information is courtesy of the National Weather Service.
1) June 13, 1948 31.00 feet
2) June 1, 1948 30.80 feet
3) Dec. 25, 1964 27.70 feet
4) June 4, 1956 27.60 feet
5) Feb. 9, 1996 27.20 feet
6) June 19, 1933 26.30 feet
7) May 31, 1928 26.20 feet
8) June 12, 1921 26.00 feet
9) June 26, 1950 25.90 feet
10) June 16, 1903 25.60 feet
11) Jan. 19, 1965 25.44 feet
12) June 22, 1917 25.30 feet
13) June 3, 1916 25.30 feet
14) June 13, 1913 25.20 feet
15) Jan. 3, 1997 22.55 feet
16) June 12, 1972 21.50 feet
17) June 22, 1974 21.10 feet
18) Jan. 24, 1970 19.54 feet
19) June 5, 1997 19.03 feet
20) Dec. 1, 1995 18.50 feet
Above 16 feet
Expect some flooding of islands and low areas, with minor impacts for parks
and trails along the Columbia River.
Above 17 feet
Expect flooding of some lowland access roads, parking areas and trails on
Sauvie Island, around Vancouver Lake and near downtown Vancouver.
Access to some houseboat communities will be affected, along with
recreation and camping areas at Cottonwood Beach near Washougal and on
Government Island.
Above 18 feet
Expect flooding of undiked lowland, pasture and farmland to begin.
Historically, the main areas affected have been from Sauvie Island
downstream.
12
Above 20 feet
Expect widespread flooding of undiked lowland and agricultural lands, along
with flooding of the access road under the north end of the Interstate 5
Bridge. Islands on the Columbia River downstream from the Interstate 5
Bridge are threatened above this level.
Above 24 feet
Expect numerous sloughs to begin flooding in the Portland and Vancouver
area. Numerous islands and sloughs on the Columbia River, both upstream
and downstream from the Interstate 5 Bridge, historically have begun to
flood at this point. Also expect flooding of parks and lowland areas near the
Sandy River confluence.
Above 27 feet
Expect widespread flooding of low‐lying farmland, islands on the Columbia
River and sloughs in the Portland and Vancouver area. Historically, river
traffic has been halted to prevent water from overtopping the lowest dikes
along the river.
Above 30 feet
Expect widespread inundation along the Columbia River from Vancouver
downstream to Longview. Numerous islands and sloughs on the Columbia
River upstream and downstream from the Interstate 5 Bridge will be flooded.
Many industries along the Columbia River have historically ceased operations
at this level.
Above 31 feet
Expect major flooding. Overtopping of some lower levees is possible. Expect
widespread inundation along the Columbia River from Vancouver
downstream to Longview. Tributary rivers will be backed up. Many industries
along the Columbia River and most ship traffic will be affected.
Above 34 feet
Expect flooding of much of downtown Vancouver, along with major flooding
along the Columbia River from Vancouver downstream to Longview. Some
lower levees may be overtopped.
as routinely measured near the Port of Vancouver, is 16 feet. It was recently
exceeded in May-June 2011.
The following are the 20 highest historical crests of the Columbia, as well as
what you can expect when the river reaches certain levels.
All information is courtesy of the National Weather Service.
1) June 13, 1948 31.00 feet
2) June 1, 1948 30.80 feet
3) Dec. 25, 1964 27.70 feet
4) June 4, 1956 27.60 feet
5) Feb. 9, 1996 27.20 feet
6) June 19, 1933 26.30 feet
7) May 31, 1928 26.20 feet
8) June 12, 1921 26.00 feet
9) June 26, 1950 25.90 feet
10) June 16, 1903 25.60 feet
11) Jan. 19, 1965 25.44 feet
12) June 22, 1917 25.30 feet
13) June 3, 1916 25.30 feet
14) June 13, 1913 25.20 feet
15) Jan. 3, 1997 22.55 feet
16) June 12, 1972 21.50 feet
17) June 22, 1974 21.10 feet
18) Jan. 24, 1970 19.54 feet
19) June 5, 1997 19.03 feet
20) Dec. 1, 1995 18.50 feet
Above 16 feet
Expect some flooding of islands and low areas, with minor impacts for parks
and trails along the Columbia River.
Above 17 feet
Expect flooding of some lowland access roads, parking areas and trails on
Sauvie Island, around Vancouver Lake and near downtown Vancouver.
Access to some houseboat communities will be affected, along with
recreation and camping areas at Cottonwood Beach near Washougal and on
Government Island.
Above 18 feet
Expect flooding of undiked lowland, pasture and farmland to begin.
Historically, the main areas affected have been from Sauvie Island
downstream.
12
Above 20 feet
Expect widespread flooding of undiked lowland and agricultural lands, along
with flooding of the access road under the north end of the Interstate 5
Bridge. Islands on the Columbia River downstream from the Interstate 5
Bridge are threatened above this level.
Above 24 feet
Expect numerous sloughs to begin flooding in the Portland and Vancouver
area. Numerous islands and sloughs on the Columbia River, both upstream
and downstream from the Interstate 5 Bridge, historically have begun to
flood at this point. Also expect flooding of parks and lowland areas near the
Sandy River confluence.
Above 27 feet
Expect widespread flooding of low‐lying farmland, islands on the Columbia
River and sloughs in the Portland and Vancouver area. Historically, river
traffic has been halted to prevent water from overtopping the lowest dikes
along the river.
Above 30 feet
Expect widespread inundation along the Columbia River from Vancouver
downstream to Longview. Numerous islands and sloughs on the Columbia
River upstream and downstream from the Interstate 5 Bridge will be flooded.
Many industries along the Columbia River have historically ceased operations
at this level.
Above 31 feet
Expect major flooding. Overtopping of some lower levees is possible. Expect
widespread inundation along the Columbia River from Vancouver
downstream to Longview. Tributary rivers will be backed up. Many industries
along the Columbia River and most ship traffic will be affected.
Above 34 feet
Expect flooding of much of downtown Vancouver, along with major flooding
along the Columbia River from Vancouver downstream to Longview. Some
lower levees may be overtopped.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
georger 244
QuoteThe Columbia River has a long history of flooding. Flood stage for the river,
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attached - data for 70, 71, & 72 missing on chart.
The numeric data exists, just isnt charted up ...
mrshutter45 21
Thanks Georger 
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
BobKnoss 0
QuoteQuoteQuote
This puts a causative flood as a possible release date about 1978-80. Larry Carr makes sense and is consistent with Weber and McCoy.
This has all been discussed before. 1978 was a
draught ending in Dec with heavy rain into 1979
and then flooding with some parts of the washougal
ten feet out of their banks ...
You and Blevins need to read the thread.
Well, then I just confirmed your previous thread. Happy to be of service. Now had you asked earlier, I could have saved you a lot of probable hashing and arguing, and name calling. I'm here to make your life easier, Jerry! You want facts, come to the source. You want to banter, go to (Bleep)!
What is the melt transition temp of the rubber
bands used in the Cooper money bundles?
I doubt they'd melt. They dry out and crack.
How affected by Oxygen depletion?
Do you mean antioxidant protection? There is none.
Explain how these realities are involved with the
Coopermoney find.
Rubber bands have limited and predictable life expectancy under UV exposure. Without stabilizers and anti-oxidants most polymers are good for about 30 days before losing color. I have never logged data on deterioration of rubber bands, but I have done a myriad of other materials.
Rubber bands in a drawer decay also. Aging is not solely due to UV degradation. The reaction doubles with every 10°C rise in temperature. In a cold buried milk can, they might be protected. Moisture would play a role as well. Too many variables to be precise, but Carr has a good handle on the state of the bills, which should be more predictable.
Im opening a door for you and the others here.
Can you walk through it?
I generally have to turn sideways as my shoulders are like Swartzenigger's.
You talk the talk. Can you walk the walk?
I'm in a wheelchair when it comes to big walks.
I have an HD Hovearound Deluxe Electric with a rear shopping basket that will lose your ass in the dust. I can do 10-12 miles at running speed without stopping.
And why won't Tom Kaye/Carol/Alan come here and
explain and discuss their findings and claims, vs.
relying on outside interpreters-editorialists which at
length even includes me! That is the source of the
consternation which has plagued this project.
The FBI does not share information. They just keep collecting and collecting stuff and saying, "Gotcha," even when they really don't at all.
Town and Gown must merge, if it can.
An open mind on this forum refers to an in-process frontal lobotomy. A major discovery is a recti-cranial collision.
Robert99: Thank you for the suggestion. I will check out the website. I find appeal of such cases as Jack the Ripper D.B Cooper, the zodiac killer and others like the Viscilla Axe murders to be quite intriguing in that they could very well have been solved had things been done right at the time.
airtwardo: thank you for your commments.
BobKnoss: Read about you in skyjack. . .would really like to see your screensaver.
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